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How Fast Does Claude, Acting as a User Space IP Stack, Respond to Pings?
- ValdikSS 5mo agoThat's why LLM will eventually be used only for initial interaction between the user in their language, to prepare the data to a specialized model. Imagine face recognition to work like a text chat, where the PC gets the frame from the camera and writes in the chat: "Who's that? Here's the RGB888 image in hex: ...".
- FeepingCreature 5mo agoThat's actually how vision language models already work, pretty much.
- stingraycharles 5mo agoHuh? The images are tokenized in the same way language is and it’s just fed into one single model. Not multiple smaller expert models. Image gets rasterized into smaller pieces (eg 4x4 pixels) and each of those is assigned a token, similarly how text is broken up into tokens. And the whole thing is fed into a single model.
- FeepingCreature 5mo agoYes I'm saying > Imagine face recognition to work like a text chat, where the PC gets the frame from the camera and writes in the chat: "Who's that? Here's the RGB888 image in hex: ...". that's p much how it works.
- stingraycharles 5mo agoBut that isn’t a specialized model like the grandparent claimed, but rather a single, multi-modal model.
- Dylan16807 5mo agoYes, the "imagine" was showcasing the opposite of a specialized model to call it a bad idea.
- wongarsu 5mo agoAnd there's a reason nobody uses them for face recognition Vision language models are an incredible achievement in the generality and usability. But they pay a hefty price in fidelity and speed
- stingraycharles 5mo agoDo you know that MoE is a thing?
- jampekka 5mo agoThe experts in MoEs aren't specialized in any meaningful task sense. From level of what we would think as tasks MoEs are selected essentially arbitrarily per token and per block.
- stingraycharles 5mo agoIt’s unsupervised, yes, but “unspecialized in any meaningful task sense” is incorrect, that’s the whole point. It’s just not in the sense of “this is a legal expert, this is a software developer”.
- orbital-decay 5mo agoOptimal expert separation depends on the goal and can be pretty arbitrary, for example DeepSeek v4 separates them more or less by domain if I remember correctly.
- brcmthrowaway 5mo agoNext up: Claude replacement to handle simdjson processing.
- westurner 5mo agoWouldn't this be faster with an agent skill that has code? /skill-creator [or /create-skill] Write an agent skill with code script(s) that use an existing user space IP library that works with your agent runtime, to [...] ComposioHQ/awesome-claude-skills: https://github.com/ComposioHQ/awesome-claude-skills https://github.com/ComposioHQ/awesome-claude-skills anthopics/skills//skill-creator/SKILL.md: https://github.com/anthropics/skills/blob/main/skills/skill-creator/SKILL.md https://github.com/anthropics/skills/blob/main/skills/skill-... /.agents/skills/skill-name/SKILL.md, scripts/{script_name.py,__init__.py} https://agentskills.io/what-are-skills https://agentskills.io/what-are-skills
- trollbridge 5mo agoWell, yeah, of course it would be. Even faster would just to be use code in the first place!
- westurner 5mo agoBut why would you use tokens instead of using the LLM to call code for this? The minimum overhead to doing it with the LLM is the useful question
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- twoodfin 5mo agoModulo Anthropic messing with the model for load mitigation, I wonder how stable this result is. 1,000 pings, how many correctly ponged?
- mghackerlady 5mo agois pong an actual term? If so I might've found a CS term better than wyde (2 bytes)
- coldcity_again 5mo agoYes, very much so. A ping is a request, a pong a response.
- dymk 5mo ago2 bytes is a short…
- mghackerlady 5mo ago2 bytes is a wyde. Because, to quote knuth, "two bytes makes one wyde"
- technothrasher 5mo agoI've heard people use that a lot, but the original metaphor was sonar not table tennis. So it is more appropriately an echo reply (which is what the ICMP return packet is called in the RFC).
- johnwalkr 5mo agoI'll give you another one: In Japanese there is the (unserious) term "enbug" which is the opposite of debug.
- jeremyjh 5mo agoPerhaps one day, all network services will be provided by LLMs natively. Truly, that would be a day in the future.
- codezero 5mo agoI mean, we did decades of JavaScript, so... I mean... anything is possible, right? :)
- vrighter 5mo agowhy? We already have more efficient specialized hardware.
- pastage 5mo agoYou could read about that in 1992 "A Fire Upon the Deep" by Vernor Vinge. There is prompt injection in communication, in the book certain protocols for information communication can not be deterministic so if someone is too smart you get hacked.
- lionkor 5mo ago"Perhaps" doing enough lifting to participate in a bodybuilder contest, in that sentence
- twoodfin 5mo agoI’m sorry people aren’t getting it, or are so committed to downvoting humor here they’re tagging the good stuff.
- fouc 5mo agothink about how much faster it would've been with a small local model!
- ShinyLeftPad 5mo agoHow quickly claude responds when it acts like a user space LLM chatbot?
- baq 5mo agoAfrican or European?
- ShinyLeftPad 5mo agoDoesn't matter, the point is inception!
- bot403 5mo agoNow do the equivalent of just in time compilation. Claude sees that we need to respond to a lot of pings and writes a program to compute it instead of thinking about each one.
- mintflow 5mo agoThis is cool, let aside the token usage, perhaps it can help analyze tcp throughput by redirect wire shark/to dump result
- ForHackernews 5mo ago>Fun? Oh yeah! I think this author and I have different definitions of fun.
- fl7305 5mo agoDo some people still claim "LLMs are just dumb auto completers"? Because this seems to disprove that claim pretty convincingly?
- huflungdung 5mo ago[dead]
- mystifyingpoi 5mo agoOh, they are. It's just that the harness around it is able to pick up the commands it "autocompletes" and runs them for you. LLM can't run anything, it never could.
- fl7305 5mo agoWhat do you mean that the "harness ran the commands"? It looks to me like the LLM "executed" the logic in pure output tokens, not by using any kind of external tool calls?
- mystifyingpoi 5mo agoRight, I mean that the logic of creating the packet was in the output tokens, sure. But the actual sending of the packet was done by bash command.
- fl7305 5mo agoSure, we agree there. But it seems to me that if the LLM can effectively "execute" the instruction of how to take an input IP packet and generate a response IP packet based on a set or rules, then that's effectively a general purpose processor. And not an "auto completer", right?
- mystifyingpoi 5mo agoThat's one way to look at it, but you're right - taking "autocompletion" to the extreme, we arrived at a task executor.
- Ozzie-D 5mo ago[flagged]
- self_awareness 5mo agoIf you wonder why your Copilot subscription has new limits that you hit every few days, it's because of PhDs like Adam. Could Adam use a local model hosted on his own box? Probably yes. But he preferred to waste the service we all use just to produce a weak blog post that introduces absolutely no knowledge and serves no other purpose than to tell everyone that the author likes to waste resources and calls it "fun". > Ridiculous? Yes. Wasteful of tokens? Sure. Fun? Oh yeah! Do you really think it's fun to be one of these people who are the reason why the rest of us gets more limits?
- mystifyingpoi 5mo agoDon't hate the player, hate the game.
- self_awareness 5mo agoNo. In our lives, the game we play, we can do whatever we like. There are consequences for some things, but generally we can do lots of things. We can kill people and get away with it. We can also help them. Should we hate life because it's possible to do really shitty things in life? I don't think so. We should hate the "players" who actually do shitty things.
- wolttam 5mo agoOk but hating a guy playing with an LLM is a bit extreme. These things are in many ways still just toys (toys that are becoming increasingly useful). People almost certainly send dumber stuff to Claude than this, and just don’t write blog posts about it. You could try other providers if Anthropic is too slow/limited, there’s some good alternatives. (And your anger should probably be directed at Anthropic who hasn’t put in “better controls”, not the masses for not using the tool in the way you think they should. Hating rarely leads to anything productive.)
- self_awareness 5mo agoI'm not angry, I'm just disappointed. Hating is just terminology I've used to reply to the parent poster. Personally I don't think hating anything will solve any problem. True, people send dumber stuff to LLM, but some of them have the decency not to brag about it. But if they brag, then the common sense I imagine would be to tell them they are currently conducting a shitty thing. Yet on HN over 100 people told him that it's a cool idea. Also you seem to also be one of the "if the system allows it, then we all should do it" mentality people. I mean you could argue that buying stuff and immediately throwing it to trash is perfectly fine, and if I'm mad about it, then it's my problem because "the person doesn't use the thing the same way I would imagine it to be used", but this argument just sounds silly to me. I know I'm right. We have brains for a reason. We should use our free will, not offload any thinking to the system we live in. Unless we don't have free will. I believe some of us don't have it, based on what I read.
- iluvcommunism 5mo ago[dead]
- amelius 5mo agoHow fast can Claude do branch predictions in CPU?
- nxobject 5mo agoValue prediction's where the most gains are to be had. Of course, the irony of using an LLM to execute an LLM is delicious.
- cyberjerkXX 5mo agoThere was a security engineer at my work doing something similar to this. He wanted to use LLMs as an IDS. I begged him to use BPF and stop wasting sprint cycles trying to reinvent a shittier slower wheel.
- pfortuny 5mo agoAn elliptical wheel, at most. A square one without an axle, most probably.
- jagged-chisel 5mo agoWhen I first saw this comment, it was downvoted into gray. But I can't imagine why. Apropos, and likely pretty accurate.
- whizzter 5mo agoFor reference Adam Dunkels is the developer of lwIP and uIP ip-stacks , as well as the C64 "Contiki" OS that used the latter to do networking.
- Aegis_Labs 5mo ago[flagged]
- kmeisthax 5mo agoI eagerly await the publication of your RFC for IP over Slop Generators.
- throwa356262 5mo agoWas not expecting to see Adam in an AI post! For me, he is the opposite of slop (AI or otherwise). This is the kind of guy that writes an operating system for your toaster and leaves enough resources free to run DOOM.
- andai 5mo agoAt the end the article links this gem, ping via avian carriers: https://blug.linux.no/rfc1149/writeup/ https://blug.linux.no/rfc1149/writeup/