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Apple Is Holding My Pictures Hostage Until I Accept Their New Terms of Service
- colesantiago 6mo agoSo accept the terms?
- m463 6mo agoaccept all cookies. Yesss! download the app! I would love to hear about your new feature. Yes, I'd love to ask your new AI assistant <weird-unique-name> for help! > I never paid for Apple’s iCloud service so I am a little surprised that not only were my pictures uploaded, the local copy was deleted. no worries, apple can do what microsoft did.
- colesantiago 6mo agoWhy are you being weird? > I never paid for Apple’s iCloud service so I am a little surprised that not only were my pictures uploaded... Yes? Apple’s iCloud service provides 5GB for free?
- justinclift 6mo ago> Apple’s iCloud service provides 5GB for free? That seems a lot like: "You're going to be using our service, whether you like it or not!" Pretty uncool?
- colesantiago 6mo agoSo it is uncool that Apple provides a service for backing up your photos even if they are providing 5GB for free. Got it. Let's hope that your phone won't be part of the 70 million smartphones that get lost each year and your photos aren't backed up.
- beams_of_light 6mo agoI strongly prefer not to have my personal data stored on other people’s computers.
- colesantiago 6mo agoGet a camera then? How does a normal person get the same service as iCloud for their personal device while syncing _all_ their photos, app data to it?
- m463 6mo agoapple doesn't allow for that. They support their own solution, suppress what they don't like (music syncing) and actively interfere with other solutions, even some they wrote long ago. non-icloud reminds me of the jackling house > In 1984 Steve Jobs purchased the Jackling House and estate, and resided there for a decade. After that, he leased it out for several years until 2000 when he stopped maintaining the house, allowing exposure to the weather to degrade it. You can do some of it with image capture/files to read raw DCIM stuff, carddav/caldav, but that stuff may or may not work.
- beams_of_light 6mo agoI have a camera, on my phone. I just want to be able to sync my pictures and videos to my own device, not cloud storage. This is becoming especially prudent in these times of nearly monthly major breaches exposing personal data stored in the cloud, as well as companies deciding to change their terms of service and use your data for purposes you might not want it used for.
- justinclift 6mo agoWhat are you on about? Why is this trigging such weird hatred in you? They literally deleted his personal photo's from his phone without his consent. They didn't even ask. If he'd actually signed up for it, then sure, in that case they're offering a desired service. That's clearly not the situation though.
- nottorp 6mo agoThey've also turned their "cloud service" on after I turned it off multiple times. And I'm not even avoiding it because of data hostage fears, just because I don't understand it and thus I can't trust it.
- colesantiago 6mo agoAt some point when using the device, he accepted the terms of service, so Apple turned on the 5GB of storage for free. If you don't like this, you can backup your device and move to Android or use a camera.
- nottorp 6mo agoSeriously? Where does Apple ask if you want to use the cloud storage separately and explicitly? Does it say we will delete files from your device and move them to our “cloud storage” without involving by your choice or asking for confirmation” anywhere when you setup your iPhone? Stop with the corporate worship please.
- colesantiago 6mo ago> Seriously Yes. > Does it say we will delete files from your device and move them to our “cloud storage” without involving by your choice or asking for confirmation” anywhere when you setup your iPhone? You can find the answers in their terms of service, assuming you've read them all. It is not corporate worship, it is their service that you're agreeing to. I don't make the rules here.
- hacker161 6mo ago[dead]
- eipi10_hn 6mo agoYou are weird
- user3939382 6mo agoDoes it constitute acceptance to do something because your data was held hostage?
- colesantiago 6mo agoSaying your 'data is being held hostage' is very overdramatic. The solution is to accept the terms, and move on. If you don't like Apple, backup your photos and move to Android. Come on.
- pixel_popping 6mo agoTo be fair, people can get phones and install a FOSS OS on it, that's pretty easy, it's sad that Apple does this, but I would expect the same thing on Windows or practically any commercial provider, nothing is really surprising here. It actually surprise me how many Linux users that do care about their security & privacy just seem to apply poor judgement when it's about their mobile devices, sure, you might not get the LATEST phone but who cares? Why are people trading their values and expertise the moment they touch the latest Samsung or iPhone? What's so special about them anyway, there is literally alternatives (or just vibe code it) for most softwares on it.
- fithisux 6mo agoYou can't install FOSS on most phones.
- tmtvl 6mo agoIndeed, that's why it's important to vote with your wallet. Buy a phone from a manufacturer/program like Sony's Open Devices (<https://opendevices.sony.net/ https://opendevices.sony.net/>) rather than, say, Apple.
- protimewaster 6mo agoThe Pixel devices are a good option as well. I think it's one of the last remnants of "don't be evil" at Google -- the Pixel devices are quite friendly toward alternative installs, much more so than most manufacturers. And, now that Motorola and Graphene OS have announced a partnership, future Motorola devices may be a good option as well.
- kelvinjps10 6mo agoNever heard of this, sounds good thanks for sharing it
- fithisux 6mo agoIs there any updated list of all these devices? They should be my next one. These are not available in Greece and the one it is is 1720 Euros. Big ouch!!! It is unfortunate that Rapsberry Pi 5 got that expensive because I wanted a Keyboard 500+ just for running some Foss Android Distribution (not a phone replacement)
- qmarchi 6mo agoFile a GDPR request to have a download provided to you? Seems pretty simple fwiw. Not that I agree with the practice of rug-pulling, but "hostage" is a strong term.
- casey2 6mo agoConversion sounds too soft and they probably have an army of lawyers to argue that it's not somehow not technically Conversion in $jurisdiction. "Theft by extortion" is probably better since they are saying agree to the terms or your computer isn't yours, your files aren't yours.
- wookmaster 6mo agoI moved my photos to self hosting so I’m in control. I’ve seen enough stories to worry about losing them with Apple. Google and Amazon are using them however they please.
- donmcronald 6mo agoApple has a fix for that. Background uploads from apps like Immich are tied to how often you open the app. So if you’re not constantly opening the app you rely on for sync, it’ll silently fail and you won’t notice. So 3rd party apps feel unreliable when compared to Apple’s solution. Apple, Google, and Microsoft act like ransomware gangs when it comes to photos. I hope we see the day where all 3 get split into a thousand different companies. Edit: I just checked and my photos stopped syncing 14 days ago. Thanks for the garbage Apple!!
- kstrauser 6mo agoTake some ownership. Use Shortcuts to make a cron job to open the app daily. Voila, done and on to the next outrage.
- fanatic2pope 6mo agoI gave up on real time synchronization and I just do manual periodic bulk downloads. In my case using google takeout, but I'm sure Apple lets you do the same thing.
- senkora 6mo agoI have a monthly recurring task in my task manager to open the Dropbox app on my iPhone and leave it in-focus for a couple of minutes while it uploads the previous month’s photos. If I don’t do that, then it just won’t upload them.
- asdfasgasdgasdg 6mo agoYou can just read the TOS if it is that big of a deal to you. They aren’t that long. Probably twenty minutes of reading. People don’t do that because the terms basically say “you can use the service if you act normal. In the context of providing the service we may do any number of things a normal person would expect us to do.” Reading them isn’t a good use of tim because most people using the service were going to act normal. But we collectively forced them to make the terms this long by suing companies when the terms weren’t clear and by deciding that the letter of the law matters more than what’s sensible. Accepting long terms of service is just the consequence of our collective decisions.
- iamacyborg 6mo agoThis is actually a good use of an LLM, get it to scan the legalese for you and look for anything unusual.
- LocalH 6mo agoThis is the dark pattern of "upload everything and delete the local copies" laid bare. This is possible to override, of course. But it's not the default, so only the most tech-savvy users make use of the settings that keep your videos and photos local. All in service of getting you to pay for iCloud storage when your phone starts to contain more data than they offer for free (5GB, which is laughable in 2026).
- TitaRusell 6mo agoMy phone came with 256 gigabyte of storage. One also has to wonder if people actually regularly go through thousands of pictures...
- retired 6mo agoThat 5GB basically means you get free backups of your iPhone. For photos you need to upgrade.
- nasretdinov 6mo agoWow my timing for buying a NAS and strong-arming my family to upload all of their stuff there was perfect it seems! I literally bought it a couple months ago, exactly because I was expecting to get locked out of either my account or my photos at some point
- teruakohatu 6mo ago> there was perfect it seems! I literally bought it a couple months ago I am sorry to tell you but the perfect timing was 8 - 12 months ago before the price of components shot up.
- joshstrange 6mo agoAs someone with 8 empty bays in a NAS I bought a month ago, I feel this in my bones.
- nasretdinov 6mo agoThanks! I've noticed...
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- retired 6mo agoThis is a website mainly targeted towards adults, you are allowed to use the word "kill" without fearing a ban or censorship.
- colesantiago 6mo ago> This is a website mainly targeted towards adults, you are allowed to use the word "kill" without fearing a ban or censorship. So we should "Kill" a CEO because you cannot temporarily accept a ToS to backup your photos and move to another platform? Wild. > Apple is committing extortion The 5GB is also free so how is this extortion? > but a class action suit or an organised protest may raise awareness. It won't, just don't use Apple devices.
- wpm 6mo agoThe comment you are replying to did not say we should kill a CEO, it said we are adults and if we are talking about killing a CEO we should use the word kill and not some self-censored euphemism.
- colesantiago 6mo agoStill, that particular conversation trail is still bewildering in and of itself when talking in the context of a terms of service. It is a statement which isn't considered normal. I mean: "Apple is committing extortion", " class action suit", "protest", "Luigi the CEO" All because of a terms of service, this isn't normal behavior for a mind to wander into if the solution is to accept the "terms of service".
- tmtvl 6mo agoI'm having a hard time understanding where the miscommunication is. What I'm saying is: not allowing a user to access their pictures without accepting a change in the terms of service is bad. A renegotiation of terms of a contract when one party has all the power (Apple, who has the pictures the user took and the user cares about) is inherently unfair and it should be just as easy for the user to say 'I don't agree, give me back my pictures and I'll stop using your service' as it is to say 'I agree and will keep using your service'.
- veeti 6mo agoAnyone dealing with notarization will also recognize the classic "Apple Is Holding My CI Pipeline Hostage Until I Accept Their New Terms of Service".
- joshstrange 6mo agoNow add in the fun of “I manage multiple Apple accounts for relatively non-technical entities who I have to poke periodically to sign the new terms”. Just went through this yesterday. And often my main contact at a company is not the same as the person who can sign the agreement so there is yet another person I need to reach out to. But heck, even at my company, I don’t control signing that agreement and so I have to bug someone higher up to do it. It’s such a PITA. I curse Apple every time my CI fails due to this. The only thing I hate more is enterprise signing, literally landlines everywhere.
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- duskdozer 6mo ago"If you have ~~one~~ tech-company-cloud backup, you have no backups"
- casey2 6mo ago>They upload the pictures to iCloud even though I didn’t sign up. Many a celeb has been bitten by this one, Apple is 100% evil for doing it. I guess they just do it for lulz? Odd for one of the richest companies on earth
- anon7000 6mo agoAlso anecdotal, but I’ve had iCloud Photos explicitly disabled for nearly a decade and it has never toggled on accidentally. (Even through getting several new devices.) Maybe the issue is that it gets enabled by default if you haven’t had an account before?
- hacker161 6mo agoHow does Apple’s spunk taste
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- colesantiago 6mo agoWhy are you following me around like a lost dog?
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- ProllyInfamous 6mo agotl;dr: stop using the cloud; local-host (see <http://old.reddit.com/r/datahoarder http://old.reddit.com/r/datahoarder>) ---- I was recently gifted a MacPro6,1 (2013-2016 RIP) [<$], perhaps among Apple's most elegant [computer?] product designs, ever. It has replaced three other machines, and its "obsolete" 6-core Xeon is more than capable of being a fantastic local fileserver (and upgradable!). It's still able to run a ©20twenty-something operating system (2021? iirc), so even the latest macOS releases can screencast into and fileserve from it. It's native and not cobbled-together mess [0]. [<$] I have no official connection with them, but have been a very happy customer of <http://eshop.macsales.com http://eshop.macsales.com> (et.al.) for decades – they sell this model for a few hundred dollars, with a short-term warranty (to determine stability) – don't get the D700s, they reputation is flakeyAF – if I hadn't been gifted this phenomenal & "obsolete" machine, I would now purchase one [0] e.g. native USB3 support (via Thunderbolt2/3 adapter); no OCLP hackintoshing (neat_but_cobbled.gif) ---- Of course having spinning HDDs isn't possible inside of this "trashcan" MacPro, but adding an external 4-bay Terramaster (hotswappable) has given me the 24TB fileserver I've always dreamed of... which allowed me to finally retire my MacPro5,1 [•] entirely from the macintosh ecosystem (now a Linux cryptominer/node, only when heating is otherwise on). [•] The MacPro6,1 with an external hard disk is infinitely more usable than a MacPro5,1 – doesn't require any OCLP and is very very stable/interactive. In my usagecase, I have used four networked spinning platters to replace eight (and removed two other machines entirely from network). This is approximately a 250W continuous load removed from a residential environment, equivalent to your refrigerator running (all the time)
- mvanbaak 6mo agoThere's this nice config option that you enabled that stores originals in iCloud, and removes them from your device to save storage space. I think it is called something like 'Optimize Storage'. So, you enable an option to not eat up all your storage and have the originals stored in iCloud, iCloud gets a new TOS, and you complain your originals are 'held hostage'? riiiiiight. I mean, it's doing what you told it to do.
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- dchftcs 6mo agoThis is an embarrassing take. You put money in the bank to save the trouble of keeping it under your mattress, now you go to a branch and they say you need to sign a new contract before you can take back your money. Fair?
- mvanbaak 6mo agoaccepting the update TOS is not the same as signing a new contract. But yeah, a lot of stuff is constantly blocked behind: accept the new terms before continuing.
- dchftcs 6mo agoNot a lawyer but it can potentially be argued that the T&C were signed under duress and therefore void.
- halJordan 6mo agoYou agreed to allow them to change the terms the first time you agreed
- dchftcs 6mo agoNot even their lawyers believe that for a second. If they did, they wouldn't have had to ask you to reaccept.
- ternaryoperator 6mo agoYes, they’re allowed to make changes and you can either accept them (the matter being discussed here) or refuse them. But you do need to be given the option.