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Anecdata, sample size of one: When I was looking for my next role after being laid off, I didn’t get much of a response with my human handmade resume despite m
by charliebwrites 5mo ago
Anecdata, sample size of one:
When I was looking for my next role after being laid off, I didn’t get much of a response with my human handmade resume despite my experience
Just for kicks, I asked ChatGPT to “Analyze my resume and give it a score for what percentage it was in” then I asked it to revise it to make it score as high as possible
I still tweaked and fact checked it but after I started sending that out, I got a much higher hit rate than before
But who knows, maybe the market changed, was a better time of year, etc
I still had to pass interviews and prove my worth. But it probably helped me get my foot in the door
- Esophagus4 5mo agoThere are services that will do this as well - I’ve used them both on my LinkedIn and resume with decent success.
- amelius 5mo agoI suppose the HR folks gave you a "+1 knows how to use AI".
- ben_w 5mo agoSome will, others openly say on the job ad they will fail you for using AI.
- dawnerd 5mo agoI know if I got a resume from someone that had obviously used AI to generate it, it would be a pass.
- drillsteps5 5mo agoBefore the resume ends up in the hiring manager's inbox it needs to be picked by the recruiter from literally hundreds of others. The recruiter uses HR software to determine the match (usually the percentage), and then picks top 5% or top 20 or whatever highest ranked resumes. Guess what's doing the ranking.
- bell-cot 5mo agoWhat if your own HR's LLM didn't send you any other kind?
- izacus 5mo agoAnd then still use a CV scanning service that rejects non-AI resumes.
- grey-area 5mo agoIt seems more likely the HR people depend on LLMs to do the job of screening and LLMs unsurprisingly prefer LLM output and rank it highly. It’s not lazy incompetence, it’s quietly getting the job done with 1% of the effort (that was a sarcastic pastiche, in case anyone was unsure).
- zdragnar 5mo agoIt's not uncommon to get hundreds or thousands of applications per opening for web tech, if the position is advertised on LinkedIn or a similar job board. They'd need to use some automation, even if it is just picking ten at random.
- normie3000 5mo agoMaybe? I've filtered 300-400 CVs by hand before, and didn't find it particularly time consuming to bin the ones which clearly didn't meet requirements or have any redeeming features. And hiring was not my full-time role.
- cyberax 5mo agoThe last time I posted on HN in the 1-st of the month hiring post, I got around 2 thousand resumes. Pretty much all of them were this kind of: "Increased the performance of the service by 23.123213%" collection of bullet points. PS: I replied to most of them, I think, but I'm sorry if I missed somebody :(
- anthuswilliams 5mo agoAt 90 seconds per resume, that would take up a full 8 hour day. Having gone through this myself, I don't think it's possible to do this much faster than that, even if you have an ATS that optimizes for that workflow. I often found myself falling into patterns of poor judgement, e.g. mentally filtering out resumes based on the layout because, to my tired and bored mind, they looked similar to the resumes I had seen from unqualified candidates. I actually think some automation is helpful in evaluating them more rigorously.
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- fuzzy_biscuit 5mo agoI've done as you described and then edited it down to sound human again.
- leonidasv 5mo agoSame thing happened to my wife as well. I helped her tailor her LinkedIn profile and resume with a lot of attention to detail: adding metrics, keywords, results, etc. Nevertheless, she never received any outreach recruiters and got very few application responses. It went like that for months, almost a year. Then she asked ChatGPT 5.x for help. I was skeptical about the changes it recommended (and was skeptical at all about using AI for this given the homogeneification it tends to produce). But somehow it worked: few days later, a recruiter reached out, then another, then applications started moving forward, etc. My guess is that, as LLMs are shoveled into every phase of the recruiting process, not having an LLM write your resume for you is now playing on hard mode. The LLMs reviewing resumes are downranking resumes and profiles that are not "speaking" the same language and activating the correct neurons, thus preventing you from moving forward. This contrasts with years ago when we had more humans in the loop and the pasteurised writing of GPT 3.5/4o would make you look less worthy. Again, just a theory, but...
- newsy-combi 5mo agoKafkaesque
- kafkaesque 5mo agoThe Orwellian nightmare is nigh
- j45 5mo agoHaving implemented more than a few applicant tracking systems, too many are so anchored in the past, that they would probably try to boil the ocean at once by letting AI loose on it, leaving an ability for ai resumes to ai applicant tracking systems. The key insight here is humans are responsible for improved articulation to the ai, who in turn will improve the rest, and that can be as detailed and informative, and educational as the human likes.
- andsoitis 5mo ago> I helped her tailor her LinkedIn profile and resume with a lot of attention to detail: adding metrics, keywords, results, etc. FWIW, when I see a resume with metrics and keywords, I immediately filter it out.
- tayo42 5mo agoLlms were good for being objective and helping cut out stuff from mine. Harder to do when you personally think everything you ever did is important.
- davebren 5mo agoIt actually is important and if I was hiring you I'd find it useful to get a more comprehensive understanding of your experience, especially if there's something I'm aware is a very challenging problem to solve. And it would provide more things to cross-examine in interviews to make sure it's not fake. The idea that people hiring are saving time by not reading an extra resume page when deciding on someone that will hopefully work there for years is ridiculous. For some reason that's the minority opinion because everything has to be dumbed down now. And how is a resume with the most important or recent work highlighted and at the top worse than a resume with that plus the rest of your experience after it?
- davebren 5mo agoProbably gonna get downvoted for this, but when you give an anecdote you don't have to preface it with "anecdata, n=1 sample size". We know it's from your individual experience because it's a story about your individual experience. We've been doing this for all of human history. This is some kind of strange milieu of trying to always sound scientific, or it's fear of the "well akshually I'm gonna need to see a random placebo controlled trial", which is equally annoying.
- junofan 5mo agoI’ve been told explicitly to do what GP said, so it’s perhaps becoming word-of-mouth career advice at this point. In my case it told a different career story that is maybe more easily digestible.
- Fezzik 5mo agoIt became necessary because, for years (decades), if you made a comment online that your personal experience informed you in such-and-such a way, the first comment would always be some moronic comment dismissing that personal experience because it is just one person’s experience. So, to avoid that idiocy, people started to preface their anecdotes by acknowledging that they know it is an anecdote. It sets the tone for the conversation.
- davebren 5mo agoYeah but we can't let the insufferable dictate our way of speaking. In spoken language I hear it mainly by people that don't have a scientific background trying to sound more scientific.
- spike021 5mo agoI was recently job hunting and did something similar. Had it check my bullets and see if they "read well" and it suggested many many tweaks. I tried a few. I'm not sure how much more it helped the applications though.
- p_stuart82 5mo agothat's the loop though. if GPT does the screening, people learn to write for GPT. once that loop exists, why would the company selling the filter want it gone?
- luotuoshangdui 5mo agoIt makes sense. An LLM can definitely help polish your resume.
- roymain 5mo ago[dead]