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Asahi Linux Progress Linux 7.0
- yuhmahp 5mo agoFascinating project like always. Thank you Asahi team!
- mbeavitt 5mo agoThese kind of project reports showing consistent breakthroughs and clearly a finger on the pulse of what users are encountering as pain points are a good indication that the Asahi team are real pros :) Look forward to switching back to Asahi full time soon!!
- jwr 5mo agoWhen I think about it, I don't understand why Apple wouldn't want to help this effort and just provide all the documentation. All the classic reasons ("competitive advantage", "secrets", etc) do not hold water in this day and age.
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- u_fucking_dork 5mo agoThe cynical take is that they make a shit ton of money from services and Linux running on a MacBook won’t help them do that.
- c7b 5mo agoThey do also make a lot of money selling hardware, and as things stand today that business happens to make them look like the first tech giant to actually profit from the AI boom (because the hardware they've been developing internally for years happens to be among the best consumer-grade options for self-hosting LLMs). Making their hardware more attractive to tinkerers could be a winning move right now.
- gschier 5mo agoLinux users don't pay for anything anyway
- deaddodo 5mo agoThey pay for the hardware that they run Linux on. Apple's hardware division is very profitable without the "value" adds they run through their ecosystem, and those people never would have bought into the ecosystem whether they used MacOS or not.
- omnimus 5mo agoThis, but also you would be allowing people to learn Linux. Developer with a Mac has to be one of the most common linux defectors. I suspect most people don't realize how doable and comfortable the switch can be.
- kavok 5mo agoIt’s been my experience that developers running Mac already know how to use Linux and actively choose to use Mac. Unless the company is forcing it at least.
- chocochunks 5mo agoYeah, and having the only supported OS be MacOS means they can entice people to upgrade when they want. No continuing on with 8+ year old hardware and a lightweight Linux distro even if it's fine for the intended use case.
- deaddodo 5mo agoThe vast majority of people that buy Macs for the ecosystem aren't going to switch to Linux. That market will remain untouched. Outside of a few gamers who might want to put up with the x86-to-ARM translation layer and (for most A to AAA games) Proton to run some non-Mac games. And even they'll probably still dual-boot. There's a portion of another market: people who want to run Linux and want a powerful laptop who buy x86 Laptops right now. Apple could expend very little relative effort while offering no official support by helping Asahi get that to a first class platform. They won't capture them in the ecosystem (and they never would have) but will still benefit from hardware sales to them. Obviously, if they sold their hardware at a loss and subsidized that with ecosystem capture that would be a non-starter. But from everything we know, the hardware itself is very profitable.
- carlosjobim 5mo agoWhat's cynical about it? Surely you understand what the purpose of a for-profit company is.
- basisword 5mo agoI imagine the real reason is that if they change things they now have an obligation to promptly share technical docs and if they're slow people will whine and bitch online about them. Not worth it. They have zero to gain (and I say this as someone who would love to dual boot Linux on my M4).
- confiq 5mo agoso they don't care about users, they care about themself?
- afavour 5mo agoI think a more accurate statement is that they don’t want to take on the outsized burden relative to the number of users it would actually affect. I’d love to dual boot Linux too but I’m under no delusions about being a very small segment of the Mac population.
- basisword 5mo agoApple's whole thing is hardware + software working together. Endless other options available to Linux users. They'd also need to be prepared for people bringing laptops to stores with hardware problems that aren't running macOS. Again, more burden for Apple for no gain other than winning over a couple of dozen users.
- foltik 5mo agoDo you seriously think someone who installed Asahi is gonna walk into a genius bar and ask for help with it? And often enough that it becomes a burden?? And according to their stats page that sibling linked it’s more like a few tens of thousands of users.
- mrj 5mo agoPlenty are whining now and that doesn't seem to bother them. I mean, this is one of the largest companies in the world. This is the company that once told people they were holding the phone wrong. I can't see them being particularly more bothered by people complaining in a slightly different way.
- ansgri 5mo agoOne of the reasons I can see is it’s much easier to say “we don’t play this game” than get a lot of negative press for selective openness and breaking compatibility of non-public interfaces. Maybe it’s even more important internally, as it enables new kind of internal discussions distracting from priority work.
- kevin_thibedeau 5mo agoThey are operating under a patchwork of NDAs. It would take some effort to determine what they can disclose.
- mmcnl 5mo agoI was trying to come up with a response but you're right. It would be easy for Apple and Apple would get so much goodwill from the community in return.
- gjsman-1000 5mo agoThey get more public goodwill from a single ad. The chronically online Linux-using engineer community is too small to matter.
- huflungdung 5mo ago[dead]
- bjelkeman-again 5mo agoDevelopers build many of the applications that make the platform desirable. Steve Ballmer at least seem to get that part. ;)
- internet2000 5mo agoThe developers for their platforms. Which, crucially, Linux developers are not.
- walterbell 5mo agoApple Macbooks support virtualization of Linux on MacOS.
- bigyabai 5mo agoThat's a low bar. Microsoft does too, with a much better hypervisor.
- walterbell 5mo agoYes, Linux developers are officially supported by both Apple and Microsoft, with Microsoft developers being a major contributor to upstream Linux and WSL2 having grown into a capable Linux development environment.
- gjsman-1000 5mo ago> I don't understand We really need to retire this phrase, it’s become a humblebrag way of calling the other party delusional without even trying to understand. The list here though is long: priorities, accuracy concerns, blurring the line on official support, IP restrictions with third parties (even Apple uses plenty of licensed cores), etc.
- sys_64738 5mo agoI don't see it that way. It's just the GP poster saying that they don't get it. Usually that means the GP poster isn't experienced enough to understand the rationality. So I generally assume the GP poster is simply naive.
- nothrabannosir 5mo ago> > I don't understand > We really need to retire this phrase, it’s become a humblebrag way of calling the other party delusional without even trying to understand. My dear friend I thought I was alone on this hill. It brings a tear to my eye, to learn I will not die alone.
- aurareturn 5mo agoLittle to no monetary benefit, hardware changes now need to be documented for Linux, loudest and most critical users but smallest volume.
- joelthelion 5mo agoAnd risk of loss of control on the software ecosystem.
- freedomben 5mo agoThis is the big one IMHO. Apple is all about control of the stack, top to bottom. Any sort of "help" with linux on macos would be threatening to that control. Apple "helped" even more than I would have expected by not locking alt OSes out of the bootloader. Probably for less than altruistic reasons, but they did do it.
- Barbing 5mo agoloss of control, fewer services sales w/o their built-in upsells etc… tragedies Go team Asahi!
- mhh__ 5mo agoI don't know if that's true. Linux users are curious and will try more stuff but people mistake that they file bug reports (and usually detailed ones...) with complaining more. Apple's MO is that it's their baby. End of. They don't do open. Their compiler is closed source, and so on.
- cromka 5mo ago> Little to no monetary benefit A 1-3% of the market out of the 5% that Linux already is, is little to no monetary benefit?
- aurareturn 5mo agoApple has many easier ways to win 1-3% of 5%.
- internet2000 5mo ago> Focus is about saying no to 100 good ideas so you can pursue one great idea. Important context to understand why.
- robmccoll 5mo agoIf they think macOS is one great idea, that's a terrible misjudgment.
- u_fucking_dork 5mo agoAnd yet it’s incredibly popular and successful. Windows is also ass, and the year of the Linux desktop is perpetually a few years away.
- robmccoll 5mo agoBeing the least bad doesn't make something good. macOS is the least bad choice for the majority of people that just want a machine to mostly browse the Internet, look at their photos, do some light productivity work, and participate in their ecosystem. It also arguably hosts has the best software options for creative work (although that's reaping the fruits of seeds planted long ago - not sure there's much about macOS that makes it inherently better for those tasks these days). For development, its advantage is the hardware it's running on. To achieve any level of customization or to define my own workflow that isn't what Apple wants me to do or to work across multiple systems, I have to fight macOS rather than work with it. Linux on the other hand does what I tell it to do.
- u_fucking_dork 5mo agoLinux as a desktop OS for the vast overwhelming majority of people is a far inferior option. It just is, and always has been. Even for developers, MacOS doesn't prevent you from getting your job done and getting paid, while using arguably the best laptop hardware. Shit just works and stays out of your way. If all MacOS has going for it is better hardware, someone would have stepped up and shipped a better linux laptop ages ago. God knows I'm not going back to a flimsy creaking chassis, shit screen, and horrible battery life just so my Docker container doesn't have to run in a VM.
- saadn92 5mo agoThe real answer is probably simpler than anyone here is making it. Apple hardware margins are healthy enough that selling macbooks to linux users is pure profit, so no services lock-in needed. However, the moment they officially acknowledge Linux support, then it becomes a support surface. Every kernel panic becomes a genius bar visit. Every driver bug becomes a tweet at @AppleSupport. It's the value of plausible deniability. The Asahi team being unofficial is actually the best possible outcome for Apple in that they get hardware sales to Linux enthusiasts without any support burden.
- mrj 5mo agoThey don't have to support it, just document the system or release their own kernel code. They don't even have to mention Linux.
- internet2000 5mo agoThat’s called support. We count that as support.
- cromka 5mo agoJesus, no, that's not called support.
- wtallis 5mo agoAs used by commercial hardware and software vendors, "support" can mean anything from "we'll come fix it for you when it breaks, or your money back" to merely "theoretically, it should work, and we won't get in the way of you trying". Likewise, "unsupported" can mean anything from "don't complain to us if it doesn't work" to "we're going to spend significant engineering effort to prevent it from working". A stance of "here's some hardware documentation, implement the drivers yourself" definitely falls within that spectrum of "support", and is the kind of "support" for Linux that some hardware vendors have in the past been lauded for, eg. when AMD started documenting their GPUs. That level of "support" from Apple for running Linux bare-metal on Apple Silicon would be an improvement from the status quo, and in practice would probably be sufficient to get good drivers written and upstreamed in short order, given how much interest there is in running Linux on these devices.
- gorgoiler 5mo agoIt feels very close to “right to repair”. The coffee grinder you bought came as a single package but it has burrs, gears, machine screws, a motor, etc. If one of those components fails, we should be able to replace it ourselves and as such they should be documented. The laptop has various pieces of hardware in it and corresponding drivers in macOS to make them tick. Did we buy the hardware and the drivers as an inseparable package, or should we be provided with the manual to make one component work when the other breaks, be that either third party trackpads or third party (Linux) drivers. Apple might argue that drivers, unlike gears or motors, will never wear down and fail. They won’t need repairing so you don’t get to know how they work. Does right to repair only apply to products that could ever need repairing? Does it also extend to knowing how your purchased product is built so that you could repair it? Maybe we’ll see a test case some day when a cosmic ray blows out /System/Trackpad.kext and a litigant applies to a court for the documentation to repair their laptop — to write their own driver! (Or vice versa: a manufacturer of coffee grinders arguing in court that they are exempt from right-to-repair because they repair their machines for free at their Genius Espresso Bar.)
- sounds 5mo agoThis is an interesting thought exercise. I immediately thought of the counter argument that Apple's driver quality is worse, especially for laptops nearing end of life (for the sake of argument assume this were true). Could I then submit a warranty claim and demand Apple replace my aging laptop with their latest model?
- nxpnsv 5mo agoHmmm, both my grinder and espresso machine are quite reparable with parts you can order from the manufacturer. Very much unlike my iphone…
- apatheticonion 5mo agoI think there is a strong case that "the right to repair" includes software. If that doesn't mean drivers must be open source, it should at least mean hardware is documented such that a driver can be written from it. But the US still doesn't have the right to repair hardware, haha. I hope the EU is listening. They won't get far with their sovereign software push if hardware cannot be used. Even on the Android side, you can't write an alternative to Android because all of the hardware has locked bootloaders and hidden drivers. Good luck reverse engineering the hardware/drivers on a Samsung Galaxy - let alone an iPhone or MacBook.
- benoau 5mo agoI think the biggest value Apple gets from Asahi is they can point EU regulators at it as proof the Mac isn't a closed platform that should be a designated DMA gatekeeper. They don't need Asahi to be complete, they just need it to exist.
- a1o 5mo agoDoes anyone knows if it runs on M4 Mac machines?
- Kerrick 5mo agohttps://asahilinux.org/docs/platform/feature-support/m4/ https://asahilinux.org/docs/platform/feature-support/m4/
- a1o 5mo agoThanks! That is a good page for me to monitor!
- xeeeeeeeeeeenu 5mo agoIt runs only on M1 and M2. M3 is being worked on.
- thelastgallon 5mo agoIs there an equivalent of this for iphones so we can give them a second life?
- Otek 5mo agoRunning what exactly? Older iOS versions? Android?
- thelastgallon 5mo agoLinux.
- nicoburns 5mo agoUnfortunately iPhones have locked bootloaders that prohibit installing other operating systems. People have gotten Linux running on iPhones, but it requires jailbreaking and that has gotten much harder over time. And it's not really worth putting effort into developing an OS if nobody is going to be able to install it.
- snazz 5mo agoYou can run Android on an iPhone 7 as a demo, but not for any practical benefit: https://projectsandcastle.org/ https://projectsandcastle.org/
- felixding 5mo ago"Amaze, amaze, amaze!" I wonder if there would be interest in an Asahi Remix spin focused on a more Mac-like out-of-the-box experience: cmd as the main modifier key, Mac-like keyboard shortcuts, theming, gestures, etc. Of course, you can tweak any distro however you want, but I think a curated default experience is a different thing.
- omnimus 5mo agoCmd as main modifier is lost battle. I've tried it multiple times. In the end just accepted ctrl life and sold my last macbook.
- WhyNotHugo 5mo agoCmd as a “main” modifier? Ok typical X/Wayland setups, Cmd is already the main modifier for DE features, while Ctrl is the modifier used at an application level. There would be a lot of weird overlap with changing that.
- throwaway27448 5mo ago> while Ctrl is the modifier used at an application level. DE features don't matter at all outside of cmd-tab and whatever the equivalent of spotlight is. The application level is the main modifier, and changing them all to cmd is essentially impossible at this point. A detail Haiku got just about perfect, I think. Either way, ctrl as a gui modifier is a dealbreaker for me. It also breaks the use of readline keybindings for text entry.
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- Nevin1901 5mo agoI've managed to get close enough w/ kde. I just asked claude code to implement it for me, and it web searched and built config files.
- jkl5xx 5mo agoI’ve had the same thought and would love this. MacOS shortcuts are too deeply ingrained in my fingers. But every attempt of mine to make Linux shortcuts Mac-like has had too many sharp edges to be useable. Toshy didn’t seem to work well with Wayland and felt heavy. Probably the best so far I’ve found has been keyd and custom configs for your most used apps. A community effort might get us there. Distribute the hours of tinkering across many passionate users instead of everyone doing it in a vacuum.
- brynet 5mo ago>.. macOS only ever programs CS42L84 to operate at either 48 or 96 kHz, we could only add support for those two sample rates to the Linux driver .. > However, CS42L42 supports all the other common sample rates, and while the register layout and programming sequence is different, the actual values programmed in for 48 and 96 kHz are the same across both chips. What would happen if we simply took the values for all other sample rates from the CS42L42 datasheet and added those to the CS42L84 driver? As it turns out, you get support for those sample rates! > The patch to enable hardware support for 44.1, 88.2, 176.4 and 192 kHz sample rates on both the input and output of the headphone jack was submitted directly upstream, and has been merged for 7.1. We also backported this to Asahi kernel 6.19.9, allowing users to take advantage of this immediately. Nice bit of chip sleuthing and reverse engineering from the Asahi team!
- functionmouse 5mo agowhoa, bit perfect CD/flac playback in 44.1, that's a killer feature.
- IshKebab 5mo agoThere are many audio resampling libraries available that can convert from 44.1 to 48 kHz with no perceptible quality loss. E.g. see https://github.com/hasenbanck/resampler#quality-analysis https://github.com/hasenbanck/resampler#quality-analysis This is presumably what Apple does. You kind of have to anyway or you have the stupid situation Linux used to have where only one app could play audio at a time.
- chronogram 5mo agoHardware often reports supporting 44.1kHz but internally resamples it to 48kHz so you're better off properly resampling it yourself.
- embedding-shape 5mo ago> you have the stupid situation Linux used to have where only one app could play audio at a time When was that? I think my first Linux distribution was Ubuntu 8.04 and fairly sure it shipped with PulseAudio which in mind always been able to play audio from multiple sources at the same time, maybe I misremember?
- ajdude 5mo agoI'm glad they dropped the ban on HN readers[1]. That was my very first impression of Asahi Linux that I ever encountered and it's unfortunately what I think of every time I see it show up here. [1] https://github.com/AsahiLinux/AsahiLinux.github.io/commit/e0484c04ade0e7e5ec3e07179545afabd0ffa765 https://github.com/AsahiLinux/AsahiLinux.github.io/commit/e0...
- confiq 5mo agoBecause they got a lot of trolls and Apple fans. The decision was not made lightly.
- AussieWog93 5mo agoHonestly, knowing what I know about marcan, the decision was probably the result of an overwhelming/strong emotional reaction. Not to just shit all over him or anything, but it really sucks to see someone who is genuinely top-ten-on-earth when it comes to "real hacking" struggle so much with socialisation and mental health.
- applfanboysbgon 5mo agoIt is weird to blame the victim for reacting to being harassed by a mob. That is a normal thing to have a reaction to. Perhaps rather than blaming people's social skills and mental health, we should instead blame the culture that normalises harassing people on the internet, even to the point of suicide (as happened in byuu's case). You are basically advocating that it is better for individuals to change to accept a shitty society as a given rather than advocating for society to change to be less shitty.
- AussieWog93 5mo agoI'm genuinely unfamiliar of the harassment campaign that HN launched against him. (I am familiar with some comments debating the validity of Byuu/Near's gender identity, and marcan's extremely strong reaction to that, but no actual harassment campaigns)
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- georgeburdell 5mo agoI really hope this project continues to gain momentum. Apple Hardware + Linux is the least fscked OS running on the best hardware. MacOS continues to be a tire fire with endless bugs and churn between versions.
- mapleleaf1921 5mo agoI've run all 3 major OSes before. MacOS by far has the least bugs and kinda just works. My variosu Linux adventures have always resulted in doing random patches for audio or screen incompatibility. My windows days were plagued with battery issues. I feel like most Linux ricers wishs for a MacOS-like experience, except with more customisation. (Which is entirely possible now with the ricing on Mac)
- TingPing 5mo agoIn my personal experience macOS is fine but updates are often buggy or regress performance. Linux has just been the more polished option. Plus it just has a nicer desktop and apps.
- alemanek 5mo agoI stay 1 major version behind with MacOS. If you do that you should have a pretty stable experience. You still get all the security patches but skip most bugs/regressions.
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- jordand 5mo agoM3 support nearly at alpha is fantastic news, and I'm really looking forward to M4 in the future. I am not looking forward to whatever Apple has planned this year for macOS, or next.
- bishopp92 5mo agoGenuine question: can't LLMs be used to accelerate this project?
- jojomodding 5mo agoNothing is stopping you from using LLMs when contributing to their project (I think). One reason might simply be that they would rather spend the (very sparse) donation money on anything else but tokens.
- mal-cap 5mo agohttps://asahilinux.org/docs/project/policies/slop/ https://asahilinux.org/docs/project/policies/slop/ They do currently ban LLM-assisted submissions. To be honest, even if LLMs are technically capable of writing code that assists the project, this at least helps keeps the 'floodgate' closed for certain low-quality PRs that other open-source projects are getting.
- worldsavior 5mo agoThey've really strict policy on LLMs. They pretty much don't allow using them, because the slop so much in this kind of region.
- saagarjha 5mo agoLLMs are not super well suited for this kind of task.
- HDBaseT 5mo ago[dead]
- RicoElectrico 5mo agoProbably for tasks that are laborious to do, but easy to verify; not sure what percentage of such work is at hand here.
- Neywiny 5mo agoGenuine answer: sometimes. I've done similar levels of reverse engineering. Keep in mind that LLMs, and all other AI, "think" as they are programmed to. When you need to do something they don't know how to do, because you're the first person in history to do it, it turns into a lot of hand holding. Especially when you're dealing with physical devices that can explode if misprogrammed, I've found it's best to keep them working on the lower hanging fruit.
- jcalvinowens 5mo agoIs anybody running Linux headlessly on the m4 mac minis successfully? I'm seeing them flying around used now at tempting prices...
- seabrookmx 5mo agoAsahi is still in the early days of m3 support. It looks like there is zero m4 support, so I doubt you can even boot on one yet: https://asahilinux.org/docs/platform/feature-support/m4/#m4-devices https://asahilinux.org/docs/platform/feature-support/m4/#m4-...
- jcalvinowens 5mo agoI doubt it too, but I was hoping to hear from someone who'd tried it. I don't care about peripherals, even booting it without the storage with a serial getty would be useful for me.
- sandreas 5mo agoWhile I love Asahi as such and am really blown away by the effort, my setup requires an encrypted ZFS root file system, which is unreasonably hard to achieve with a Mac. The fact, that there has to be a macOS partition for maintenance ruling out ZFSBootMenu somehow is very unfortunate - but I've accepted it. Maybe the new Framework 13 Pro will be at least in the region of an alternative... :-/
- incanus77 5mo agoI’m curious, broadly, what is involved with this. I just got encrypted (LUKS) BTRFS root going on my two Asahi machines and it wasn’t _terrible_… but also definitely not easy.
- sandreas 5mo agoWell... I'm never using BTRFS again, see [1] for why - disclaimer: This is a personal opinion, not a recommendation. Since I switched to ZFS, everything is awesome ;) Besides creating zarch[2], I recently noticed that there is weird stuff happening in some of the used components, so I switched to CachyOS, which contains a ZFS Kernel and a good enough installer to get started with encrypted ZFS root. And I think they are also working on ZFSBootMenu integration, but I don't find the link right now :-) 1: https://forum.cgsecurity.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?p=39143#p39143 https://forum.cgsecurity.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?p=39143#p3... 2: https://github.com/sandreas/zarch https://github.com/sandreas/zarch
- dreamcompiler 5mo agoI run Asahi (the previous release) on an M2 Air and it works great except for high power drain when sleeping. I still want to run it on an M3 MBP so it's nice to hear progress on that is happening.
- e12e 5mo agoDo you use a docking station and an external display?
- dreamcompiler 5mo agoI don't. I never got into external displays because I travel a lot and write code in strange places.
- karussell 5mo agoNot OP but external display only works via HDMI directly atm (m2 mb pro).
- kakwa_ 5mo agoWhile I absolutely love the technical write-up from the Asahi team, and being absolutely impressed by their accomplishment, to the risk of being an overly negative contrarian, I remain a bit skeptical. I'm concerned that after all these years, it's still a separate project and not an effort sustained directly within the kernel mainline and mainstream distributions like Ubuntu, Debian or Fedora. These kinds of reverse engineering projects are extremely challenging. With skills & field knowledge, it's "easy" to get to "80%" and have something useful for you and the most dedicated users. But reaching the "95%" required for a polished & general public ready experience needs nearly as much effort, often on tedious and time consuming tidbits.
- omcnoe 5mo agoI think there is also the added challenge that ARM macs are a moving target, and Apple has less than no desire to provide any kind of stability or support for Asahi Linux. Unlike the PC space where laptop manufacturers have to maintain broad compatibility over time, Apple will make future changes that are really awkward for Asahi and will not care one bit because they can do the compat work on their own software.
- walterbell 5mo agoHow does Ubuntu Linux on recent Qualcomm (ex-Apple Nuvia) Arm laptops compare to Asahi Linux on Apple Silicon?
- jauntywundrkind 5mo agoPretty rude to call this ex Apple Nuvia. I don't think any of those lawsuits by Apple or ARM have been won. Qualcomm declares this to be a new chip. But yes it has talent from those places. Still, let's not try to tip the scales of perception quite so indelicately? I am curious what the boot situation is. It seems like Qualcomm actually has pretty good support for their cores. But since these PC systems sort of lack a bios, each one needing a hand built DeviceTree: it makes supporting them kind of a nightmare. Even a raspberry pi has a much more advanced and accommodating boot environment than these frustrating Qualcomm laptops. Alas. I don't know but I expect Asahi has to do similar hand tailoring. I am curious to know what the boot chain looks like! How much the system willingly helps vs how much hard to be bespoke hand coded system config! (Wish it wasn't like this, it's so bad)
- giancarlostoro 5mo agoReally hope that by the time all my M4 Macs are no longer updated by Apple I can just switch to Asahi and get a 1:1 compatible OS in terms of supporting all the hardware my Macs come with.
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- GZGavinZhao 5mo agoIt's always sad to think what more can be achieved / how faster we might've arrived at M3 support if Asahi Lina is still active.
- bigyabai 5mo agoLina got the happy ending. She moved on to apply her talent to bigger and better projects - the real tragedy is how many years of volunteer effort were wasted by Apple's opaque documentation.
- hu3 5mo agoI'm glad such talent moved on to work for companies that care instead of wasting their talent. Intelligence comes in many forms. This decision is one of them.
- bogzz 5mo agoI wonder if the hardware or the software will be the first to make a dream dev machine happen - a MacBook Pro + Linux experience either Asahi gets there from the software side or Framework gets there from the hardware side
- GeekyBear 5mo agoNice to see M3 support coming along as they work their way through the upstreaming backlog and improve tooling: > finding their way into the Asahi kernel tree are patches to enable more hardware on M3 machines. This includes support for PCIe, MacBook keyboards and trackpads support, the SMC-based RTC and reboot controller, and the NVMe controller, courtesy once again of Michael Reeves and Alyssa Milburn. This brings Linux support for the M3 up to roughly the same level as the first Asahi Linux alpha for M1!
- hu3 5mo agoIt will probably be barely useful by the time M6 launches!
- gigatexal 5mo agoI am both a monthly supporter of the Asahi project and a full-time macOS user. Why? I love to support hackers. But I am also a realist and have given up on the idea of a linux laptop that "just works" and have embraced teh first party experience of the wholly integrated software and hardware experience of the apple ecosystem. am I just a smooth brained dumb dumb that has drunk the koolaid? perhaps. but I don't lose sleep on it and am not tinkering with hardware, or software anymore, I just get stuff done now.
- bigyabai 5mo ago> But I am also a realist and have given up on the idea of a linux laptop that "just works" I mean, if you only use laptops that are explicitly unsupported by the Linux kernel then I could see what gave you that impression.
- gigatexal 5mo agoI had a P14 Thinkpad for work and had all sorts of issues with Wayland and streaming and what not. There's no issues on the Mac side things just work.
- bigyabai 5mo agoDoes it have a dGPU? My simple Intel iGPU Thinkpad hasn't had any noticeable Wayland-related issues in the past 3-4 years.
- gigatexal 5mo agoThis is the delulu Linux world thinking all over again. “Just get one with no dGPU, just this chipset, just this and this escoteric thing” and you’ll be fine.
- bigyabai 5mo agoThis is how macOS works, too. "Just buy this M.2 adapter and this transcode card but not that GPU" and your hardware will be supported for two major releases.
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- p0w3n3d 5mo agoThe mentioned light sensor started malfunctioning on my work's m3 after upgrading to tahoe. After a sleep it sometimes dimms the screen at max. Thankfully I have the monitor control app which brings it back for me. Such unneeded and faulty mechanism.
- karussell 5mo agoDoes somebody know the power values for idle and sleep for this release? When I tried Remix 43 on a m2 mb pro 1 month ago the idle power usage was above 5W (max 10h) and sleep roughly 3W (~20h).
- jtotheh 5mo agoI got into Linux because it gave me things I couldn't get with Windows/Mac (in 1994). There are less things that is true for now, by far. I am drawn to the ideals of Free Software (maybe BSD style, maybe GNU style) like a moth to the flame. Nonetheless, I have a smartphone, which since 2016 has been an iPhone. Now there are things I can't get with Linux that I value with macOS. The integration with the phone is just not possible if am running Linux. The power management and convenient things like Apple Music, too. I was disgusted to see Tim Cook abase himself before Trump and spent a while researching alternative phones. I did not find anything that looked like a serious option. There are things I need that are only available for iPhone or Android, it's become table stakes for life nowadays. My E-car charger required an app to function, for instance. I admire people who "vote with their wallet" and/or suffer inconvenience for their ideals. But I am not going to install Linux (or OpenBSD) on my M1 Macbook pro. It's too essential for me the way it is. For the record, I pour a lot of time into my 2014 macbook running arch and a thinkpad running OpenBSD, and keep an arch server/desktop running pretty much 24/7. I spend tons of time trying to find/devise things on Linux to match things I use that are closed-source/apple only. Hats off to people who can program at the level required to make this happen. It's beyond me. And also to those trying to make Pine Phone etc a realistic option. I think that's the most important free software battleground now.
- tempaccountabcd 5mo ago[dead]
- cromka 5mo agoUnfortunately no word on mainlining the external display support.
- LoganDark 5mo ago> The bulk of the installer is written in Python Well that's a weird choice of systems programming language.
- lwhi 5mo agoI really dislike Mac OS. When is Asahi likely to be viable as a daily OS?
- JSR_FDED 5mo agoAsahi for the MacBook Neo, that would be a killer combination.
- perarneng 5mo agoThunderbolt would be a great addition, its a showstopper right now for many
- rekoil 5mo agoYeah I think if they manage to solve that then we're gonna be cruising. I want to but can't really run AsahiLinux as it stands, my workstation is Thunderbolt-based and that's non-negotiable.
- atlasagentsuite 5mo ago[dead]