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The whole artificial scarcity Anthropic created around Mythos / Glasswing is quite brilliant to be honest (I’m Not saying ethical, just brilliant). The commerci
by maebert 6mo ago
The whole artificial scarcity Anthropic created around Mythos / Glasswing is quite brilliant to be honest (I’m Not saying ethical, just brilliant). The commercial gains are one side of course. But consider this:
Gets labelled supply chain risk by the pentagon. Hypes up what they claim to be the most advanced hacking tool on the planet. This puts the US government into a loose / loose position. Either deny the NSA access to it, or be called out on their bluff.
- daemonologist 6mo ago> This puts the US government into a loose / loose position. You might even call it... a tight spot
- iugtmkbdfil834 6mo agoOk. This is was either brilliant or I did not wake up yet.
- garbawarb 6mo agoSide note, how did the word "lose" become "loose"? I've seen this so many times on HN.
- clark_dent 6mo agoIt didn't, but the advent of spellcheck and autocorrect has made everyone completely give up on proper grammar or word selection as long as no squiggly line appears.
- latexr 6mo agoMaybe that’s part of it, but I’ve also noticed autocorrect on my devices often correcting incorrectly. As in, I type the word correctly and it decides “oh, surely you meant this other similarly spelled word” and changes it. Sometimes I don’t notice until after sending the message.
- abustamam 6mo agoI use MS SwiftKey on my android phone and it will often autocorrect my correctly spelled, correctly used, words, to words that probably don't exist in any language (recently it corrected "blow" to "blpw"). I have French installed on my keyboard as well so sometimes it will randomly correct English words to French words (inconsistently, but at least they're words), but blpw is not a word in either of those languages. Unfortunately, I think me typing blpw three times has officially added it to my dictionary :)
- lloeki 5mo agoDon't worry it's no better on iOS, where I too have a English+French QWERTY setup, and where it too frequently decides to "helpfully" correct using an English dictionary several words into a unambiguously French sentence; or the other way around depending on wind direction and age of the captain. Even more damning is that there seems to be three independent layers to the feature ("three suggestions" area above keyboard, autocorrect-as-you-type, correction popup as you touch a word) and neither agree with each other about which language it should be using.
- skirmish 5mo agoNow LLMs have seen "blpw" several times and will start using it in their responses to their users. Next: Oxford dictionary word of the year 2026: "blpw".
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- Zambyte 6mo agoThat defiantly has something to do with it
- ratg13 6mo agoCould also be non-native speakers .. Even as a former grammar nazi, now that English isn't my daily driver language I find myself making basic mistakes .. (two, too, to / its, it's / etc.)
- abustamam 6mo agoHaving grown up around immigrants and other folks who learned English as a second language, I always attributed "loose" for being a signal that perhaps English isn't the writer's first language. I think what you say is partly true too, but it's not a new phenomenon. Some examples - awful used to mean "awe-inspiring" https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/awful https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/awful - you used to be the plural/formal second person pronoun with thou being the informal form https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/You https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/You - prior to the printing press English didn't have any standardized spelling at all https://www.dictionary.com/articles/printing-press-frozen-spelling https://www.dictionary.com/articles/printing-press-frozen-sp... Language evolves. The English we learned in grammar school is likely not going to be the same English our kids or grandkids learn. At the end of the day, written communication has a single purpose — to communicate. If I can understand what the author is trying to say, then the author achieved their goal. That being said, I wish my mom did use spell check or autocorrect because her messages often require a degree in linguistics to decipher, but because of typos, not spelling. Maybe she'll influence the next evolution in typed communication :) Edit - formatting
- ses1984 6mo agoI’m guessing most cases of loose/lose switch happen when English isn’t someone’s first language.
- theowaway213456 6mo agoIn my experience, this mistake happens all the time for native English speakers born in the US.
- garbawarb 6mo agoIndeed, but other languages have been around forever whereas I've seen this particular misspelling a ton in the last year and rarely before that.
- ses1984 5mo agoI haven’t noticed the same trend.
- garbawarb 5mo agoSearch the word "loose" in recent HN comments, it's become quite common. > all he'll breaks loose (a doubly amusing one): https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47835177 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47835177 > So Ukraine should not necessary win, it should mainly bleed Russia and not loose. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47827489 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47827489 > They are de-risking by spending more, which is a loose-loose for the customers. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47826823 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47826823 Plus this thread, and that's just in the last 24 hours!
- ses1984 5mo agoYou may be completely right, but these examples are pretty meaningless without context, like what is the rate of lose/loose confusion per x words over time.
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- saidnooneever 6mo agopeople are from many places
- gambiting 6mo agoIn all of those places loose means something that isn't tight and lose something that you've displaced. I think it would be correct to say people display varying command of the English language, which to me has never been a problem - as long as I can understand what you mean, it's all fine.
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- Aerroon 6mo agoBecause your pronounce them backwards. "Loose" is a short word that ends sharply, but "lose" is a long word that slowly peters out. They should be the other way around imo.
- evanjrowley 6mo agoNow that you frame it that way, I'm surprised "lose" didn't evolve to be pronounced like "Lowe's"
- theowaway213456 6mo agoIf we're allowed to make modifications here then it should really be lose => looze and loose => luce
- irishcoffee 6mo agoI think that would make "loosely" not work out. Lucely/lucly catch the hard C there. I'm good with loozing/loozer, looks kind of funny though.
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- JackFr 6mo agoI always assume not everyone is an English speaker and let it go.
- maebert 6mo agoHa. Non-native speaker here although you wouldn’t be able to tell what talking to me, until you hear me confuse when to use this vs that, and lose vs loose. Some things my brain just refuses to remember.
- abustamam 6mo agoNative English speaker here and my linguist wife constantly has to remind me that I use many propositions incorrectly, because my parents were non-native speakers and in their native language (Behasa Melayu), those propositions were the same words. For some reason I can't think of those propositions at the moment, but it's definitely prevalent when I'm speaking French and use the wrong proposition, only because I'd have used the wrong proposition in English.
- unbalancedevh 5mo agoUnderstandable. Most wives don't like it when their husbands proposition others.
- verisimi 6mo agoIt's fine, nothing to see. Just focus on the intended meaning not the underlying delivery. Mere words don't really impact communication. Right?
- garbawarb 6mo agou r crct
- duckmysick 6mo agoIt doesn't make sense to have "lose" pronounced as it is. We have rose, pose, dose, nose all pronounced with ō. And then you have lose pronounced as loo͞z. It feels natural to put two O's in there when you write it.
- freehorse 6mo agoEnglish is not a rules-based language, esp wrt pronunciation. Words can be pronounced as anything.
- saganus 6mo agoWhen I discovered the pronunciation of Houston, TX and Houston, NY... my mind was blown
- abustamam 6mo agoThis is true, but if the goal is to be understood, it's in the speaker's best interest to pronounce words in a way they'll best be understood. So I think even if the language itself lacks formal rules, we as a society of communicators should align on some loose set of rules.
- freehorse 5mo agoI am at a loss; should we change the way “lose” is pronounced or the way it is written? I feel like if we just add an “o”, connections with other derivative words may be lost or those need to change too. Also, the “s” in “loose” (the actual word) should be pronounced as “z” sound, as it lies between 2 vowels. Should we also change that? Should we change the way it is pronounced or the way it is written? Maybe if we change this to “loosse” we can free space for “lose” to add an “o”?
- abustamam 5mo agoAs much as I'd like it to be the case, there's too much to unlearn, and I think this would be Pandoras box. Too many weird words and spellings to change. This language comedian does a bunch of humorous sketches about how many languages make no sense! But in particular, this video tackles false "rhymes" like allow and shallow. https://youtube.com/shorts/6ZE5zMnBwVc?si=gBiwe9QjT-Co-MVu https://youtube.com/shorts/6ZE5zMnBwVc?si=gBiwe9QjT-Co-MVu
- hosel 6mo agoI try to let it go, but this is my pet peeve.
- veidr 6mo agoExactly the same way that the `cancelled` of my youth became `canceled`. By being misspelled so often that the misspelling won. In this case, it's not clear who wins yet — "lose" may loose, or mount a comeback, resulting in "loose" being the one to lose.
- BeetleB 6mo agoI've said it a couple times in the past: That's so cringe!
- ternaryoperator 5mo agoAnd let’s not get started on it’s vs. its-—a distinction that now seems irretrievably nerfed
- renegade-otter 6mo agoThis is not the first time Pete Hegseth charged into a bar, started swinging his fists and screaming "don't you know who my father is", only to find his junk in a vise with no graceful way get it out.
- abustamam 6mo agoFor some reason I thought you were doing a setup for a joke... "The President of the US, the Secretary of Defense, Iranian Prime Minister walk into a bar..."
- mghackerlady 6mo agoHegseth gets drunk, Mojtaba preaches the benefits of abstaining from alcohol, and Trump trips because he didn't see the bar
- DonsDiscountGas 6mo agoWorth noting that Trump was one who labeled them a supply chain risk for the horrible crime of setting really basic guardrails around usage. (And it's "lose" btw)
- Joel_Mckay 6mo ago"basic guardrails" within activation capping is not separable for high granularity trained models. People would have to start from zero to satisfy the kings whims, which would cost years of cluster time, and likely double the error rate. Governments are difficult customers for software firms, as most military folks get an obscure exemption from copyright law at work. Anthropic finding other revenue sources is a good choice, if and only if the product has actual utility (search is an area LLM are good at.) =3
- Telemakhos 6mo agoGovernments are sovereign: they tell people what to do (by making laws, by exercising a monopoly of violence, etc), and nobody tells them what to do. Governments also fight wars, which means lives depend on the government's ability to command. Private companies make products. When those products were plowshares or swords or missiles, the company didn't really have a say over how they were used, and could be compelled by the government to supply them. Now that new cloud and AI products that increase government command abilities live on servers controlled by private companies, private companies think they can tell government what to do and not do. No government will accept that, because the essence of government is autocratic sovereignty: the sovereign commands and is not commanded.
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- mcmcmc 6mo ago> the essence of government is autocratic sovereignty *was Democracy was and is radical for putting the common people in charge of the government. The right to petition for redress of grievances is literally in the first amendment. Government is a social contract, enforced with state violence on one end and mob violence on the other. If you want to return to autocratic rule, I hear North Korea is lovely this time of year.
- ethbr1 6mo ago'Anthropic is / isn't lying about Mytho's capabilities' is the less interesting conversation. The more interesting one is: 1. Assuming even incremental AI coding intelligence improvements 2. Assuming increased AI coding intelligence enables it to uncover new zero day bugs in existing software 3. Then open source vs closed source and security/patch timelines will all need to fundamentally change Whether or not Mythos qualifies as (1), as long as (2) is true then it seems there will eventually be a model with improvements, which leads to (3) anyway. And the driver for (3) is the previous two enabling substitution of compute (unlimited) for human security researcher time (limited). Which begs questions about whether closed source will provide any protection (it doesn't appear so, given how able AI tools already are at disassembly?), whether model rollouts now need to have a responsible disclosure time built in before public release, and how geopolitics plays into this (is Mythos access being offered to the Chinese government?). It'll be curious what happens when OpenAI ships their equivalent coding model upgrade... especially if they YOLO the release without any responsible disclosure periods.
- vbezhenar 6mo ago> it doesn't appear so, given how able AI tools already are at disassembly? If that's your concern, shareware industry developed tools to obfuscate assembly even from the most brilliant hackers.
- kriztw 6mo agoThat's not true, they did do obfuscation but the main sneaky thing they did was to make hackers think that they had found all of the checks, and then hide checks that would only trigger half way through the game. That kind of obfuscation is also not relevant to security vulnerabilities. AI is already superhuman at reading and understanding assembly and decompilation output, especially for obfuscated binaries. I have tried giving the same binary with and without heavy control flow obfuscation to the same model, and it was able to understand the obfuscated one just fine.
- notpachet 6mo ago> Which begs questions about whether closed source will provide any protection (it doesn't appear so, given how able AI tools already are at disassembly?) Disassembly implies that you're still distributing binaries, which isn't the case for web-based services. Of course, these models can still likely find vulnerabilities in closed-source websites, but probably not to the same degree, especially if you're trying to minimize your dependency footprint.
- burner-phone73 6mo agoThe position doesn't matter. Nobody sane listens to what the orange or "the USA" says because it could be the complete opposite tomorrow. Which sadly is exactly the position where the orange wants to be. Free reign for him and nobody cares.
- JackFr 6mo agoI think the Dutch would take issue with you throwing around "orange" like that.
- ineedasername 6mo agoIf Alexander or any of his usurping ancestors has a problem then he can go ride a horse over a molehill. Oh, what, is that line a bit too soon? Tandem Triumphans!
- seydor 6mo agoPlot twist it gets acquired by the US govt.
- khuey 6mo agoIf this happens it's not going to take the form of them getting "acquired", they're going to end up forced to become a defense contractor like Lockheed Martin or Raytheon where their primary customer is the USG and all of their sales require governmental approval.
- bilbo0s 6mo agoAnd the absolute last group the government would ever approve access to would be "We the People". I know it's not realistic at this point, but I really hope the Chinese labs will release models that run local and are on par with the abilities of frontier models. That is, I hope the idea of frontier models goes away. Because if not, what we're looking at is a seriously bleak outlook with respect to economic freedom for anyone outside the 0.1%. We may even be looking at out and out lack of economic viability for vast segments of the population.
- scottyah 5mo agoOur best bet is competition stays healthy, and the model providers keep "releasing" their best to stay ahead. Even then, or even if every human was given equal tokens and access, we'll see crazy inequalities just because of how effective the tool is. The smart get smarter and more effective while the dumb will be swallowing down infinite memes and letting the LLMs do all their thinking.
- m4rtink 5mo agoI don't think anyone forced ockheed Martin or Raytheon to become defense contractors.
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- hoppp 6mo agoThey created the model specifically to play this game.
- bitexploder 6mo agoThey said they designed it to be a better coding model. Something that has long been true: better software engineers are better vulnerability hunters as well. I think we are seeing that play out with Mythos.
- carlossouza 6mo ago“Show me the incentives and I will show you the outcomes.” Charlie Munger
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- latexr 6mo ago> The whole artificial scarcity Anthropic created around Mythos / Glasswing is quite brilliant to be honest Isn’t that just the same strategy OpenAI has used over and over? Sam Altman is always “OMG, the new version of ChatGPT is so scary and dangerous”, but then releases it anyway (tells you a lot about his values—or lack thereof) and it’s more of the same. Pretty sure Aesop had a fable about that. “The CEO who cried ‘what we’ve made is too dangerous’”, or something. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Boy_Who_Cried_Wolf https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Boy_Who_Cried_Wolf
- Filligree 6mo agoAnthropic has not in fact released it, and it does in fact appear to be that dangerous, judging by the flood of vulnerability reports seen by e.g. Daniel Stenberg. Certainly it’s a strategy OpenAI has used before, and when they did so it was a lie. Altman’s dishonesty does not mean it can never be true, however.
- embedding-shape 6mo ago> judging by the flood of vulnerability reports seen by e.g. Daniel Stenberg Maybe I've missed anything, but what Stenberg been complaining about so far been the wave of sloppy reports, seemingly reported by/mainly by AIs. Has that ratio somehow changed recently to mainly be good reports with real vulnerabilities?
- depr 6mo agoYes: > The challenge with AI in open source security has transitioned from an AI slop tsunami into more of a ... plain security report tsunami. Less slop but lots of reports. Many of them really good. > I'm spending hours per day on this now. It's intense. https://mastodon.social/@bagder/116336957584445742 https://mastodon.social/@bagder/116336957584445742
- StrauXX 6mo agoHe has changed his opinion completely. Yes, the ratio has turned.
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- MostlyStable 6mo agoI'm really tired of these claims that Mythos is "nothing by PR hype". It should be at this point eminently clear that the people working at Anthropic believe the things they say about their models. And for mythos in particular, at this point there are far too many people outside of Anthropic who have seen it and/or the vulnerabilities it has discovered for "it's nothing but hype" be anything close to a sensible position. I'm not saying we should blindly believe them; they have often used more caution than was entirely warranted (this is, in my opinion, a good thing) but the idea that all of this around Mythos and glasswing is nothing but marketing hype is nonsense. Might a disinterested 3rd party decide that they think the fire is smaller than Anthropic's smoke warranted? Yes that's possible. But the idea that it's all smoke and no fire at this point deserves no resepect whatsoever.
- maebert 6mo agoTo be clear I’m not claiming that Mythos is _nothing_ but PR hype, merely that Anthropic is playing its cards really well, which is a claim independent of actual capabilities of their latest model.
- potsandpans 6mo agoI'm similarly tired of people writing impassioned diatribes on why we really should trust a company that's out to maximize shareholder value. "It's so dangerous that we'll only release it mostly to the companies that have some financial stake in our company" We don't owe anthropic anything, including benefit of the doubt. They're here to sell products, any other mission statement is a convenience for them.
- Hizonner 6mo ago> The whole artificial scarcity Anthropic created around Mythos / Glasswing is quite brilliant to be honest (I’m Not saying ethical, just brilliant). The commercial gains are one side of course. You mean the obvious commercial losses caused by keeping an expensively created product effectively off the market altogether? What the actual fuck is with people who come up with stuff like this?
- giancarlostoro 6mo agoI'd be okay with our military / NSA having the best model possible. Now if only the NSA would vet key people in our government, there should be no reason a foreign entity can just hack the FBI director's personal GMAIL, the NSA should be trying to break into their accounts before our enemies do. It's ridiculous that they're not already doing this.
- NickC25 6mo ago>Now if only the NSA would vet key people in our government They probably did that for a while. Sadly, they as an agency were un-vettable to the general public, and abused that position to create tons of blatantly unconstitutional programs that they tried to hide.
- giancarlostoro 6mo agoI agree, I know some people hate the surveillance stuff, but unfortunately we only hear the bad mostly of what it does, we never hear the actual good impact some of these agencies do. I wish they'd release some sort of annual report, but how do you do that without telling your enemies that people are "trying" or being "caught" doing things. It's a pain in the butt. There are truly evil people in this world, way worse than we probably realize. Our military is not perfect, our country is not perfect, no country or military is, but we generally do our very best to do what is right historically speaking. It's hard to see that if you get lost in the politics of things.
- nagaiaida 5mo ago> we generally do our very best to do what is right historically speaking. It's hard to see that if you get lost in the politics of things. or there's a much simpler explanation: the awful things we do very visibly (or simply casually declassify and admit to decades later¹) are a perfectly reasonable basis to condemn basically the entire history of this country and there's no reason to believe in some sort of political dark matter that balances the moral equation. ¹ for instance, if you were right, you'd think there'd be more widely-agreed success stories coming out like this, but no, it tends to be more in the vein of "we destabilized another democratically elected government because that's not the side we think should have won". i wonder what's up with that
- jazz9k 6mo agoIt's like opening up an exclusive night club. Everyone is talking about it and wants in, even though most know nothing about what's actually inside.
- kristofferR 6mo agoNot only that, but I feel there's a lot to validity of this meme from reddit: https://i.redd.it/jxfayl16q5wg1.jpeg https://i.redd.it/jxfayl16q5wg1.jpeg . Maybe not "completely out", but at least not having enough available capacity to release a model way bigger than Opus publicly.
- mwcz 6mo agoI think Dario didn't get a Gmail invitation back in the day, and now he's taking it out on everyone.
- irthomasthomas 6mo agoIt is pretty obvious from the token speed that opus now is sonnet or haiku size a few versions ago. So Mythos is likely what was called opus. They dont tell us the size but they did co firm the training run for Mythos was under the 10^26 flops reporting requirement. In an alternate universe, opus 4.7 is sonnet 5, and Mythos is released as Opus. Can you imagine how much praise would be heaped on Anthropic if it opus 4.7 was < half the price it is now?
- giancarlostoro 6mo ago> Glasswing Fun fact, the model isn't quite the important part for Glasswing, someone took the ideas, and made their own open alternative, you can swap out models and find issues in code using clearwing. I haven't had a chance to personally test it, but it makes a lot of sense to me. https://github.com/Lazarus-AI/clearwing https://github.com/Lazarus-AI/clearwing
- sheepscreek 6mo agoMythos is most certainly not hype. I think it might be the agent with most agency as of today (ability to get really difficult shit done on its own). I believe that it most certainly is not hype. A realization just struck me that guarding the model weights (which are probably in the realm of a few TB) should be of utmost importance. Essentially - having access to them and a small NVIDIA cluster is all it takes for anybody to start using Mythos for themselves. Barring any limitations of my understanding, the Mythos model weights are probably in the realm of a few TB. Any actor with access to the weights + a single beefy NVIDIA cluster and a few intelligent folks is all it takes to gain access to Mythos. Cost of infra < $5 million (guesstimate). Imagine someone pulling that off by gaining access to the weights - which would be a monumental challenge, but likely less complicated than re-acquiring enriched substances from the gulf nation under attack right now. It would be the heist of the century.
- pixl97 6mo ago>pulling that off by gaining access to the weights This was a point in the AI 2027 videos you see on youtube. That model weights would be a subject of active attack by nation states and that governments would start requiring AI companies to treat them like munitions when securing them.
- maebert 5mo agoI'm a crypto wars veteran, discovering the internet with the nerfed 40-bit version of Netscape
- pythonaut_16 5mo ago> not hype Proceeds to write the hypiest comment possible. No substantial claims of why the model is not hype, just how dangerous it would be if the weights leaked and how cheap it would be for anyone to just start using it for EVIL if it ever did.
- TheGRS 5mo agoI'm kind of surprised that C-suite folks fall for this marketing ploy when many of them are typically very close to the sales process in very high stakes areas. I guess it just shows you that anyone is susceptible to a well done grift. On second thought I'm thinking back through the history of C-suite decisions I've seen first and second hand and I'm not surprised at all.
- jpfromlondon 5mo agoit's a taste of what's to come, the anointed class with access to the latest and greatest model in exchange for favours or $$$$, and an underclass making do with the hobbled toy models.