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Bejing doesn't care for results of op, they care for the big picture. Trump is splitting the West in half, which is great for China. Also every piece of isolat

by bulbar 6mo ago

Bejing doesn't care for results of op, they care for the big picture. Trump is splitting the West in half, which is great for China. Also every piece of isolationist politics is good for them, because they try to invade Taiwan and the more isolationist the US becomes, the less resistant will there be when they actually try. For Russia, it's just great the US attacked Iran, because the world needs Oil and now Russian oil is back on the table. The amount of weapons that the US is willed to deliver to the Ukrain on the other hand goes down as well as the political will to continue the support of the defense against Russian imperialism and grab for power. Everything that weakens NATO in any way is great for Russia, so they are quite happy with Trump threatening the alliance.

orwin 6mo ago
I don't think China leadership thinks it needs to invade Taiwan. Competing against an hyper-specialized country is hard, but if they manage to produce chips 90% as good as Taiwan, the later is in for a wild economic ride, which will probably end up as Taiwan as an autonomous Chinese region without firing any guns.
- Markoff 6mo ago
  exactly, it's very naive some folks fall for this China invading Taiwan narrative, just look what happened with Hong Kong, it had size of like 30% of Chinese economy (when they took over), which is why they agreed with autonomy, now it's down to like what - 3%? basically irelevant ordinary develoepd CN city, same will happen with Taiwan, people will vote with their wallets in the end especially if the other option is support from US gerontocracy ruled by crazies people thinking China needs to invade Taiwan are very short-sighted thinking in western 5 year election cycles, which don't work in China, China has all the time in the world to wait unlike these western marketing products for 1-2 terms they call politicians (and I don't write it as some China admiration, just stating the facts their political system works different way whether you like it or not, but I would for sure prefer EU making deals with China instead of US also regarding security, they are more reliable not abusive partner)
  - orwin 6mo ago
    Never thought about it, but i see where it is coming from. Even after my own trip to China i still thought China would invade Taiwan sooner or later, because the idea is deeply ingrained in my mind. It is only recently that i thought about it a bit, and even a successful invasion would be at least as bad for China as Tibet invasion was. So maybe their leadership grows complacent and dumb, which may happen, or Taiwan will just rejoin China naturally during a global economic crisis.
  - thenthenthen 6mo ago
    HK is extremely important to China, it is basically it’s wallet and only way to get cash in and out.
KellyCriterion 6mo ago
> the world needs Oil and now Russian oil is back on the tabl Last week, Russia announced that any export of Oil will be stopped immediately
- mamonster 6mo ago
  No they didn't. They stopped exporting diesel and gasoline, not oil.
  - general1465 6mo ago
    They have limited way to export it when Ukraine is bombing their main terminal in Ust Luga almost daily.
smitty1e 6mo ago
> Trump is splitting the West in half, which is great for China. What. West. NATO is as useful as a chocolate teapot. Trump has merely laid bare the truth.
- jjtwixman 6mo ago
  Because they don’t follow Israel blindly into retarded wars? Don’t forget nato is a defensive alliance btw. The West exists in Europe. It’s the US that has decided it would rather leave western civilisation.
  - smitty1e 6mo ago
    > The West exists in Europe. The West exits Europe.
    - jjtwixman 6mo ago
      The west is Europe and a few other countries, but not the USA anymore. Pity.
      - smitty1e 6mo ago
        As long as they can blame their shortcomings on the Clementine Cthulhu, it's all good with Europe.
        jjtwixman 6mo ago
        Trumps greatest impact was taking the USA outside of Western civilisation I guess. So far. Maybe he’ll drop a nuke tho. No wonder you lot are losing your minds over the fact the USA is no longer a white country. It’s not even culturally western any more either. Sad!
        smitty1e 6mo ago
        My ancestors fought for the North in the Civil War to end that whole "white country" thing. But I support and defend your Constitutional right to flog that dead horse.

by bulbar 6mo ago

orwin 6mo ago

I don't think China leadership thinks it needs to invade Taiwan. Competing against an hyper-specialized country is hard, but if they manage to produce chips 90% as good as Taiwan, the later is in for a wild economic ride, which will probably end up as Taiwan as an autonomous Chinese region without firing any guns.

Markoff 6mo ago
exactly, it's very naive some folks fall for this China invading Taiwan narrative, just look what happened with Hong Kong, it had size of like 30% of Chinese economy (when they took over), which is why they agreed with autonomy, now it's down to like what - 3%? basically irelevant ordinary develoepd CN city, same will happen with Taiwan, people will vote with their wallets in the end especially if the other option is support from US gerontocracy ruled by crazies people thinking China needs to invade Taiwan are very short-sighted thinking in western 5 year election cycles, which don't work in China, China has all the time in the world to wait unlike these western marketing products for 1-2 terms they call politicians (and I don't write it as some China admiration, just stating the facts their political system works different way whether you like it or not, but I would for sure prefer EU making deals with China instead of US also regarding security, they are more reliable not abusive partner)
- orwin 6mo ago
  Never thought about it, but i see where it is coming from. Even after my own trip to China i still thought China would invade Taiwan sooner or later, because the idea is deeply ingrained in my mind. It is only recently that i thought about it a bit, and even a successful invasion would be at least as bad for China as Tibet invasion was. So maybe their leadership grows complacent and dumb, which may happen, or Taiwan will just rejoin China naturally during a global economic crisis.
- thenthenthen 6mo ago
  HK is extremely important to China, it is basically it’s wallet and only way to get cash in and out.

KellyCriterion 6mo ago

> the world needs Oil and now Russian oil is back on the tabl Last week, Russia announced that any export of Oil will be stopped immediately

mamonster 6mo ago
No they didn't. They stopped exporting diesel and gasoline, not oil.
- general1465 6mo ago
  They have limited way to export it when Ukraine is bombing their main terminal in Ust Luga almost daily.

smitty1e 6mo ago

> Trump is splitting the West in half, which is great for China. What. West. NATO is as useful as a chocolate teapot. Trump has merely laid bare the truth.

jjtwixman 6mo ago
Because they don’t follow Israel blindly into retarded wars? Don’t forget nato is a defensive alliance btw. The West exists in Europe. It’s the US that has decided it would rather leave western civilisation.
- smitty1e 6mo ago
  > The West exists in Europe. The West exits Europe.
  - jjtwixman 6mo ago
    The west is Europe and a few other countries, but not the USA anymore. Pity.
    - smitty1e 6mo ago
      As long as they can blame their shortcomings on the Clementine Cthulhu, it's all good with Europe.
      - jjtwixman 6mo ago
        Trumps greatest impact was taking the USA outside of Western civilisation I guess. So far. Maybe he’ll drop a nuke tho. No wonder you lot are losing your minds over the fact the USA is no longer a white country. It’s not even culturally western any more either. Sad!
        smitty1e 6mo ago
        My ancestors fought for the North in the Civil War to end that whole "white country" thing. But I support and defend your Constitutional right to flog that dead horse.