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There's no point supporting these parasitic business models. Use royalty-free video and audio formats. AV1 for video: https://aomedia.org/specifications/av1/ h

by breve 7mo ago

There's no point supporting these parasitic business models. Use royalty-free video and audio formats. AV1 for video: https://aomedia.org/specifications/av1/ https://aomedia.org/specifications/av1/ And Opus for audio: https://opus-codec.org/ https://opus-codec.org/

cwillu 7mo ago
“Access Advance and Avanci have published rates for a pool asserting content royalties across AVC, HEVC, VP9, VVC, and AV1 that could push major platforms toward nine-figure annual exposure.”
- breve 7mo ago
  Yes, they've made claims on AV1, claims that have never been tested in court. You need to understand that these are parasitic businesses. They didn't develop AV1. They didn't contribute to AV1. But they will make any claim they think they can get away with. Show me the court case they've won that validates their claims on AV1.
  - uyzstvqs 7mo ago
    AV1 was created by a consortium of some of the biggest tech companies in the world, and "all technology was vetted in a rigorous patent review process before being integrated into the final spec."[0] On the other side, you've got patent trolls who are upset that their shitty business model is coming to an end. They're just being loud as they're losing. [0] https://www.streamingmedia.com/Articles/ReadArticle.aspx?ArticleID=124134 https://www.streamingmedia.com/Articles/ReadArticle.aspx?Art...
  - ndiddy 7mo ago
    Looks like this is the court case to keep an eye on: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2026/03/av1s-open-royalty-free-promise-in-question-as-dolby-sues-snapchat-over-codec/ https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2026/03/av1s-open-royalty-fr...
jmclnx 7mo ago
I was going to suggest you missed vorbis ogg. So I went looking for a link, I found out this: > Since 2013, the Xiph.Org Foundation has stated that the use of Vorbis should be deprecated in favor of the Opus codec I never heard of Opus, so some links: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vorbis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vorbis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opus_(audio_format) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opus_(audio_format) From what I can find, seems opus only supports audio. ogg also has a video format (ogv), odd it is suggested ogg was superseded by opus. Maybe I am missing something ?
- breve 7mo ago
  Ogg is a container format. It contains audio and video tracks: https://www.xiph.org/ogg/ https://www.xiph.org/ogg/ It's like Matroska: https://www.matroska.org/what_is_matroska.html https://www.matroska.org/what_is_matroska.html Or MP4: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MP4_file_format https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MP4_file_format
- daneel_w 7mo ago
  Ogg is the container, Vorbis is the audio codec, and colloquially people just called Vorbis-encoded audio "ogg" because of the ogg container. Vorbis was hit-or-miss. In some cases it did better on same or lower bitrate than MP3 encoded by LAME, in some cases worse. It also suffered an entirely new category of "chirpy/tweety" artefacts similar to what MP3 exhibits at very low bitrates, but with Vorbis they showed up even at nominal bitrates during certain complex spectral patterns. I was a vocal proponent of Vorbis back when it surfaced, but soon changed stance when realizing how unreliable it was quality-wise.
  - thaumasiotes 7mo ago
    > and colloquially people just called Vorbis-encoded audio "ogg" because of the ogg container. I would bet that the primary reason wasn't the container format, which nobody really cares about and most users wouldn't have been aware of, but rather the fact that the file extension was '.ogg'.
    - 7mo ago
josephg 7mo ago
AV1 / Opus where we can. But H264 is far better supported. For example, Safari doesn't include a software AV1 decoder. So AV1 videos only work in safari on M3 or later laptops, and iPhone 15 or later phones. H264 is the compatibility king. https://caniuse.com/av1 https://caniuse.com/av1
- galad87 7mo ago
  Safari, or better, macOS and iOS include a software AV1 decoder (libdav1d), but it's used only to decode avif, and to generate file previews in Finder.
WithinReason 7mo ago
Dolby just sued Snapchat over patents for using AV1: https://www.techspot.com/news/111865-dolby-sues-snap-over-video-compression-patent-claims.html https://www.techspot.com/news/111865-dolby-sues-snap-over-vi...
- gausswho 7mo ago
  And that's when you know they're afraid. Dolby's case sounds like a desperate moonshot.
mdavid626 7mo ago
AV1 lacks hw support…
- breve 7mo ago
  My laptop has hardware AV1 encoding and decoding. My TV has AV1 decoding. My phone has AV1 decoding. None of these devices are particularly new. And don't underestimate dav1d (https://www.videolan.org/projects/dav1d.html https://www.videolan.org/projects/dav1d.html). You can comfortably play AV1 video in software on your phone. Try it with VLC.
  - petcat 7mo ago
    > You can comfortably play AV1 video in software on your phone Maybe for about 15 minutes before your battery is drained to 20%. I'm not aware of any software video decoder at all that won't unacceptably heat up your phone and kill your battery.
    - breve 7mo ago
      Why say maybe? Why not simply try it for yourself?
      - petcat 7mo ago
        I don't need to try it myself to know that software video decoding on the CPU is not a viable solution on mobile phones.
        breve 7mo ago
        Of course it is. Even the iPhone 7 from 2016 can play 1080p AV1 video. Why did you spend all that money on your phone if you're not going to exercise the hardware?
        smilespray 7mo ago
        Not OP, but 2hr battery time for video playback vs 20hr would be the entire point of this thread. HW decoding is an order of magnitude more efficient.
out_of_protocol 7mo ago
* VP9 where AV1 is not available (default YouTube codec, almost universally hardware-supported). Also universally supported .webm is vp9+opus - which mostly used as modern .gif
ksec 7mo ago
>And Opus for audio: https://opus-codec.org/ https://opus-codec.org/ Just use AAC-LC, Redhat declares it patent expired and has the widest compatibility besides only mp3. At 192Kbps or above it is as good as Opus.

by breve 7mo ago

cwillu 7mo ago

“Access Advance and Avanci have published rates for a pool asserting content royalties across AVC, HEVC, VP9, VVC, and AV1 that could push major platforms toward nine-figure annual exposure.”

breve 7mo ago
Yes, they've made claims on AV1, claims that have never been tested in court. You need to understand that these are parasitic businesses. They didn't develop AV1. They didn't contribute to AV1. But they will make any claim they think they can get away with. Show me the court case they've won that validates their claims on AV1.
- uyzstvqs 7mo ago
  AV1 was created by a consortium of some of the biggest tech companies in the world, and "all technology was vetted in a rigorous patent review process before being integrated into the final spec."[0] On the other side, you've got patent trolls who are upset that their shitty business model is coming to an end. They're just being loud as they're losing. [0] https://www.streamingmedia.com/Articles/ReadArticle.aspx?ArticleID=124134 https://www.streamingmedia.com/Articles/ReadArticle.aspx?Art...
- ndiddy 7mo ago
  Looks like this is the court case to keep an eye on: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2026/03/av1s-open-royalty-free-promise-in-question-as-dolby-sues-snapchat-over-codec/ https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2026/03/av1s-open-royalty-fr...

jmclnx 7mo ago

I was going to suggest you missed vorbis ogg. So I went looking for a link, I found out this: > Since 2013, the Xiph.Org Foundation has stated that the use of Vorbis should be deprecated in favor of the Opus codec I never heard of Opus, so some links: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vorbis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vorbis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opus_(audio_format) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opus_(audio_format) From what I can find, seems opus only supports audio. ogg also has a video format (ogv), odd it is suggested ogg was superseded by opus. Maybe I am missing something ?

breve 7mo ago
Ogg is a container format. It contains audio and video tracks: https://www.xiph.org/ogg/ https://www.xiph.org/ogg/ It's like Matroska: https://www.matroska.org/what_is_matroska.html https://www.matroska.org/what_is_matroska.html Or MP4: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MP4_file_format https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MP4_file_format
daneel_w 7mo ago
Ogg is the container, Vorbis is the audio codec, and colloquially people just called Vorbis-encoded audio "ogg" because of the ogg container. Vorbis was hit-or-miss. In some cases it did better on same or lower bitrate than MP3 encoded by LAME, in some cases worse. It also suffered an entirely new category of "chirpy/tweety" artefacts similar to what MP3 exhibits at very low bitrates, but with Vorbis they showed up even at nominal bitrates during certain complex spectral patterns. I was a vocal proponent of Vorbis back when it surfaced, but soon changed stance when realizing how unreliable it was quality-wise.
- thaumasiotes 7mo ago
  > and colloquially people just called Vorbis-encoded audio "ogg" because of the ogg container. I would bet that the primary reason wasn't the container format, which nobody really cares about and most users wouldn't have been aware of, but rather the fact that the file extension was '.ogg'.
  - 7mo ago

josephg 7mo ago

AV1 / Opus where we can. But H264 is far better supported. For example, Safari doesn't include a software AV1 decoder. So AV1 videos only work in safari on M3 or later laptops, and iPhone 15 or later phones. H264 is the compatibility king. https://caniuse.com/av1 https://caniuse.com/av1

galad87 7mo ago
Safari, or better, macOS and iOS include a software AV1 decoder (libdav1d), but it's used only to decode avif, and to generate file previews in Finder.

WithinReason 7mo ago

Dolby just sued Snapchat over patents for using AV1: https://www.techspot.com/news/111865-dolby-sues-snap-over-video-compression-patent-claims.html https://www.techspot.com/news/111865-dolby-sues-snap-over-vi...

gausswho 7mo ago
And that's when you know they're afraid. Dolby's case sounds like a desperate moonshot.

mdavid626 7mo ago

AV1 lacks hw support…

breve 7mo ago
My laptop has hardware AV1 encoding and decoding. My TV has AV1 decoding. My phone has AV1 decoding. None of these devices are particularly new. And don't underestimate dav1d (https://www.videolan.org/projects/dav1d.html https://www.videolan.org/projects/dav1d.html). You can comfortably play AV1 video in software on your phone. Try it with VLC.
- petcat 7mo ago
  > You can comfortably play AV1 video in software on your phone Maybe for about 15 minutes before your battery is drained to 20%. I'm not aware of any software video decoder at all that won't unacceptably heat up your phone and kill your battery.
  - breve 7mo ago
    Why say maybe? Why not simply try it for yourself?
    - petcat 7mo ago
      I don't need to try it myself to know that software video decoding on the CPU is not a viable solution on mobile phones.
      - breve 7mo ago
        Of course it is. Even the iPhone 7 from 2016 can play 1080p AV1 video. Why did you spend all that money on your phone if you're not going to exercise the hardware?
        smilespray 7mo ago
        Not OP, but 2hr battery time for video playback vs 20hr would be the entire point of this thread. HW decoding is an order of magnitude more efficient.

out_of_protocol 7mo ago

* VP9 where AV1 is not available (default YouTube codec, almost universally hardware-supported). Also universally supported .webm is vp9+opus - which mostly used as modern .gif

ksec 7mo ago

>And Opus for audio: https://opus-codec.org/ https://opus-codec.org/ Just use AAC-LC, Redhat declares it patent expired and has the widest compatibility besides only mp3. At 192Kbps or above it is as good as Opus.