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Accusing Iran of "lashing out" and being "reckless" by attacking US bases while the US and Israel literally murder school children, bomb hospitals and assassina

Accusing Iran of "lashing out" and being "reckless" by attacking US bases while the US and Israel literally murder school children, bomb hospitals and assassinate state leaders is rich. It didn't have to be this way but they decided this to turn into a fight of survival for Iran and destroy any option for a peaceful resolution. Now they are going to pay the price.

netsharc 7mo ago
Unfortunately it's we who will pay the price, with "we" being the entire world, considering the destruction of a lot of oil production infrastructure will cause a price hike for everything.
- cardanome 7mo ago
  Well China is still getting Iranian oil no problem. We in the West, well we are aiding the US in this war by allowing it to operate from military bases in our countries. We deserve it for looking the other way while Israel has been mass murdering Palestinians for more than two years now. At least Spain showed some guts. Of course it will also potentially cause suffering in the global south but that is on those that started the war.
  - kortilla 7mo ago
    How is China getting that oil without problem? Something like 90% of it when through Kharg island which is now rubble.
    - cardanome 7mo ago
      The attacks against Kharg Island were relatively limited as even the US wanted to avoid that level of escalation. The war has been painful but Iran could rebuild, if you destroyed Kharg island it would take decades to rebuild the Iranian economy, that would be a complete scorched earth point of no return. Maybe there have been further attacks today that I missed but if true that would be an huge escalation. My last information was that China has no problem getting oil but that was like two days ago.
      - kortilla 7mo ago
        “Could rebuild” is not congruent with China having “no problem getting oil”.
        cardanome 7mo ago
        Iran is currently exporting more oil to China than before the war. That is a fact. Not sure what your point is. The rebuilding was referring to the destruction of Iranian infrastructure in general. The oil is still getting exported.
  - DoctorOetker 7mo ago
    > We deserve it for looking the other way while Israel has been mass murdering Palestinians for more than two years now. The sad part is how the genocide in Gaza could have been prevented: Imagine an alternate history, in which successive precedencies didn't turn a blind eye to Iran, imagine a decade ago (regardless of democrat or republican administration) that they decided to do what they are doing today in Iran. Iran wouldn't have had the funds and resources to sponsor Hamas and Hezbollah. The populations in Gaza and Lebanon wouldn't have been sandwiched between the projected powers of Israel and Iran. Their power structures could have been legitimate democracies etc. In that world there wouldn't have been a reason for Israel to attack and invade, and even if they did in this alternate history, the rest of the world would have strongly condemned it to the point of military intervention on behalf of Gaza / Lebanon. Always take not how a faction has risen to power initially. In the case of Iran's regime it was hostage taking. A faction will very often resort to the same tactics and methods it used during its initial ascent to power, a form of survivorship bias. If the West hadn't let the situation of Iran rot indefinitely for decades (they even systematically rewarded the regime's behavior by systematically giving in to the hostage politics it conducted, in my opinion they should have just drawn a line and said: return these hostages unconditionally or we treat this as hiding behind a human shield).
    - cardanome 7mo ago
      The genocide against the Palestinians has not started after October 7th though but long before the Islamic Republic of Iran even existed. In the Nakba of 1948 as much al 750k Palestinians lost their homes. Hezbollah came to be as a resistance group against the invasion of Lebanon by Israel. The reason both Hamas and Hezbollah exists is because Israel. There can not be peace in the region as long as Israel exists. They are a settler colonial state build and sustaining itself by the dead bodies and suffering of the Palestinians. > the rest of the world would have strongly condemned it to the point of military intervention on behalf of Gaza / Lebanon. That is completely delusional. I Iran had fallen ten years ago, there would be no Palestinians anymore. No one would have stopped Israel from killing them. Israel would have annexed South Lebanon, part of Syria, Egypt and so on and created Greater Israel.
      - 7mo ago
- shepherdjerred 7mo ago
  TBH I am a little more concerned about people dying from the conflict than paying a bit more for gas
  - undersuit 7mo ago
    What about the people who will die because they cannot afford the higher prices that will come from a disruption in gas supply?
    - shepherdjerred 7mo ago
      You could've written that comment in a more constructive way. As you probably already know, my point was that it's a bit callous to focus on "this war is expensive and inconvenient" while innocent people are, you know, dying.
gizajob 7mo ago
I can’t be an apologist for what’s going on but the Iranians seemed capable of killing tens of thousands of their own citizens in order to quash an uprising against the regime only weeks before the current events.
- cardanome 7mo ago
  Thousands, not tens of thousands. Which is bad enough so it seems silly to lie about this but whoever can make up the biggest number seems to favored by the Western narrative. And let us not act like the decades of sanction were not designed to do exactly this. Sanctions mean you create as much hardships as possible for the people in hope they topple their government. They nearly never work but here we are. > Contrary to popular belief, economic sanctions are ineffective in fulfilling their objectives. Historical observations from Russia to Cuba and Iran reveal that the more sanctions are designed to pressure the ruling class, the harder ordinary citizens are hit. Leaders often perceive sanctions as a means to enhance nationalism, portraying the United States and its allies as hostile. In many instances, such actions have only strengthened their hold on power while stifling dissent internally. https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c5yljdgwppzo https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c5yljdgwppzo As for the protests, the truth is also that these were not peaceful protests. Mossads agents had been arming people and instructing them to riot. Hundreds of police offers have been murdered and mosques have been burned down. Mossad agents have been instructed to fire at protestors to increase the death toll. Yes, there has been valid criticism and unhappiness with the government. But most of these people had been protesting for economic reasons. They didn't want to see their country invaded. Today many of the people that had protested in January are joining the mass demonstrations in favor of the Islamic Republic. The war has united the Iranians.
  - rcMgD2BwE72F 7mo ago
    >Mossad agents have been instructed to fire at protestors to increase the death toll. Source?
    - geraneum 7mo ago
      The state TV. It’s impossible they lie.
einszwei 7mo ago
Your comment made me realise that while Iran has attacked a dozen countries, they have yet to attack a school or a hospital. Not condoning anyone but shows the priority of both sides.
- cardanome 7mo ago
  Well some civilians have been injured when Iran attacked the hotels where US agents were stationed. Mostly due to them being foreign workers and well we all know how Dubai and the Saudis treat foreign workers. They were not allowed evacuate in time. Of course it will be hard to completely avoid civilian casualties in the long run, I fear but yeah Iran has been pretty measured. Iran's fight is with the US imperialists and Israel and not the people that live in the region.
  - GordonS 7mo ago
    > some civilians have been injured when Iran attacked the hotels where US agents were stationed Surely the US are using civilians as human shields?
    - cardanome 7mo ago
      Yes, they are absolutely using civilians as human shields. Just like Israel has been doing for ages. That is why they constantly lie about Hamas using human shields. Every accusation is a confession with these people.
      - DoctorOetker 7mo ago
        [flagged]
  - thomassmith65 7mo ago
    The mullahs and IRGC are not famous for their compassion or kind-heartedness. They are infamous for fulminating against liberals, plotting to kill enemies, torturing and hanging dissidents from cranes, persecuting minorities and women, funding terror cells, and fleecing their citizens to enrich themselves. Many of the comments here suffer from a misguided refusal to be impressed by the regime's reputation, as though anyone the American establishment criticises must automatically be righteous.
JumpCrisscross 7mo ago
> Accusing Iran of "lashing out" and being "reckless" I think it’s more that these attacks are counterproductive to Iran’s state goals, which reveals that we’re seeing a hardline faction in Iran use the war as cover for consolidating power.
dyauspitr 7mo ago
You have to be pretty shit to get people to defacto support Iran. As usually Trump has led the US into the gutter.
UltraSane 7mo ago
Iran is actively murdering protesters including a 19 year old. https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ce9mzn7k722o https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ce9mzn7k722o
- amunozo 7mo ago
  That's horrible, but has nothing to do with this.
  - UltraSane 7mo ago
    It really should make you want the Totalitarian Shia Theocracy running Iran to collapse.
    - gzread 7mo ago
      What's good for the goose is good for the gander, right? Same logic - if correct - would give Iran the moral right to first strike the US.
      - UltraSane 7mo ago
        I hate Trump also but he is a saint compared to the Iranian Shia Theocracy
        Schmerika 7mo ago
        By what metric? Certainly not by lives lost, damage done, or dollars embezzled. Not by interference in other countries, or apocalyptic rhetoric. So, what exactly is your opinion based on?
        UltraSane 7mo ago
        "By what metric?" By the fact that Trump hasn't killed thousands of people to stay in power. Pretty simple really. Protesting the US government is still legal. Protesting the Iranian government in Iran will get you killed.
lm28469 7mo ago
They're also doing exactly what they said they'd be doing if attacked in such manner. People who say Iran is "crazy" or "lashing out" are falling for the most brain dead propaganda

netsharc 7mo ago

Unfortunately it's we who will pay the price, with "we" being the entire world, considering the destruction of a lot of oil production infrastructure will cause a price hike for everything.

cardanome 7mo ago
Well China is still getting Iranian oil no problem. We in the West, well we are aiding the US in this war by allowing it to operate from military bases in our countries. We deserve it for looking the other way while Israel has been mass murdering Palestinians for more than two years now. At least Spain showed some guts. Of course it will also potentially cause suffering in the global south but that is on those that started the war.
- kortilla 7mo ago
  How is China getting that oil without problem? Something like 90% of it when through Kharg island which is now rubble.
  - cardanome 7mo ago
    The attacks against Kharg Island were relatively limited as even the US wanted to avoid that level of escalation. The war has been painful but Iran could rebuild, if you destroyed Kharg island it would take decades to rebuild the Iranian economy, that would be a complete scorched earth point of no return. Maybe there have been further attacks today that I missed but if true that would be an huge escalation. My last information was that China has no problem getting oil but that was like two days ago.
    - kortilla 7mo ago
      “Could rebuild” is not congruent with China having “no problem getting oil”.
      - cardanome 7mo ago
        Iran is currently exporting more oil to China than before the war. That is a fact. Not sure what your point is. The rebuilding was referring to the destruction of Iranian infrastructure in general. The oil is still getting exported.
- DoctorOetker 7mo ago
  > We deserve it for looking the other way while Israel has been mass murdering Palestinians for more than two years now. The sad part is how the genocide in Gaza could have been prevented: Imagine an alternate history, in which successive precedencies didn't turn a blind eye to Iran, imagine a decade ago (regardless of democrat or republican administration) that they decided to do what they are doing today in Iran. Iran wouldn't have had the funds and resources to sponsor Hamas and Hezbollah. The populations in Gaza and Lebanon wouldn't have been sandwiched between the projected powers of Israel and Iran. Their power structures could have been legitimate democracies etc. In that world there wouldn't have been a reason for Israel to attack and invade, and even if they did in this alternate history, the rest of the world would have strongly condemned it to the point of military intervention on behalf of Gaza / Lebanon. Always take not how a faction has risen to power initially. In the case of Iran's regime it was hostage taking. A faction will very often resort to the same tactics and methods it used during its initial ascent to power, a form of survivorship bias. If the West hadn't let the situation of Iran rot indefinitely for decades (they even systematically rewarded the regime's behavior by systematically giving in to the hostage politics it conducted, in my opinion they should have just drawn a line and said: return these hostages unconditionally or we treat this as hiding behind a human shield).
  - cardanome 7mo ago
    The genocide against the Palestinians has not started after October 7th though but long before the Islamic Republic of Iran even existed. In the Nakba of 1948 as much al 750k Palestinians lost their homes. Hezbollah came to be as a resistance group against the invasion of Lebanon by Israel. The reason both Hamas and Hezbollah exists is because Israel. There can not be peace in the region as long as Israel exists. They are a settler colonial state build and sustaining itself by the dead bodies and suffering of the Palestinians. > the rest of the world would have strongly condemned it to the point of military intervention on behalf of Gaza / Lebanon. That is completely delusional. I Iran had fallen ten years ago, there would be no Palestinians anymore. No one would have stopped Israel from killing them. Israel would have annexed South Lebanon, part of Syria, Egypt and so on and created Greater Israel.
    - 7mo ago
shepherdjerred 7mo ago
TBH I am a little more concerned about people dying from the conflict than paying a bit more for gas
- undersuit 7mo ago
  What about the people who will die because they cannot afford the higher prices that will come from a disruption in gas supply?
  - shepherdjerred 7mo ago
    You could've written that comment in a more constructive way. As you probably already know, my point was that it's a bit callous to focus on "this war is expensive and inconvenient" while innocent people are, you know, dying.

gizajob 7mo ago

I can’t be an apologist for what’s going on but the Iranians seemed capable of killing tens of thousands of their own citizens in order to quash an uprising against the regime only weeks before the current events.

cardanome 7mo ago
Thousands, not tens of thousands. Which is bad enough so it seems silly to lie about this but whoever can make up the biggest number seems to favored by the Western narrative. And let us not act like the decades of sanction were not designed to do exactly this. Sanctions mean you create as much hardships as possible for the people in hope they topple their government. They nearly never work but here we are. > Contrary to popular belief, economic sanctions are ineffective in fulfilling their objectives. Historical observations from Russia to Cuba and Iran reveal that the more sanctions are designed to pressure the ruling class, the harder ordinary citizens are hit. Leaders often perceive sanctions as a means to enhance nationalism, portraying the United States and its allies as hostile. In many instances, such actions have only strengthened their hold on power while stifling dissent internally. https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c5yljdgwppzo https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c5yljdgwppzo As for the protests, the truth is also that these were not peaceful protests. Mossads agents had been arming people and instructing them to riot. Hundreds of police offers have been murdered and mosques have been burned down. Mossad agents have been instructed to fire at protestors to increase the death toll. Yes, there has been valid criticism and unhappiness with the government. But most of these people had been protesting for economic reasons. They didn't want to see their country invaded. Today many of the people that had protested in January are joining the mass demonstrations in favor of the Islamic Republic. The war has united the Iranians.
- rcMgD2BwE72F 7mo ago
  >Mossad agents have been instructed to fire at protestors to increase the death toll. Source?
  - geraneum 7mo ago
    The state TV. It’s impossible they lie.

einszwei 7mo ago

Your comment made me realise that while Iran has attacked a dozen countries, they have yet to attack a school or a hospital. Not condoning anyone but shows the priority of both sides.

cardanome 7mo ago
Well some civilians have been injured when Iran attacked the hotels where US agents were stationed. Mostly due to them being foreign workers and well we all know how Dubai and the Saudis treat foreign workers. They were not allowed evacuate in time. Of course it will be hard to completely avoid civilian casualties in the long run, I fear but yeah Iran has been pretty measured. Iran's fight is with the US imperialists and Israel and not the people that live in the region.
- GordonS 7mo ago
  > some civilians have been injured when Iran attacked the hotels where US agents were stationed Surely the US are using civilians as human shields?
  - cardanome 7mo ago
    Yes, they are absolutely using civilians as human shields. Just like Israel has been doing for ages. That is why they constantly lie about Hamas using human shields. Every accusation is a confession with these people.
    - DoctorOetker 7mo ago
      [flagged]
- thomassmith65 7mo ago
  The mullahs and IRGC are not famous for their compassion or kind-heartedness. They are infamous for fulminating against liberals, plotting to kill enemies, torturing and hanging dissidents from cranes, persecuting minorities and women, funding terror cells, and fleecing their citizens to enrich themselves. Many of the comments here suffer from a misguided refusal to be impressed by the regime's reputation, as though anyone the American establishment criticises must automatically be righteous.

JumpCrisscross 7mo ago

> Accusing Iran of "lashing out" and being "reckless" I think it’s more that these attacks are counterproductive to Iran’s state goals, which reveals that we’re seeing a hardline faction in Iran use the war as cover for consolidating power.

dyauspitr 7mo ago

You have to be pretty shit to get people to defacto support Iran. As usually Trump has led the US into the gutter.

UltraSane 7mo ago

Iran is actively murdering protesters including a 19 year old. https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ce9mzn7k722o https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ce9mzn7k722o

amunozo 7mo ago
That's horrible, but has nothing to do with this.
- UltraSane 7mo ago
  It really should make you want the Totalitarian Shia Theocracy running Iran to collapse.
  - gzread 7mo ago
    What's good for the goose is good for the gander, right? Same logic - if correct - would give Iran the moral right to first strike the US.
    - UltraSane 7mo ago
      I hate Trump also but he is a saint compared to the Iranian Shia Theocracy
      - Schmerika 7mo ago
        By what metric? Certainly not by lives lost, damage done, or dollars embezzled. Not by interference in other countries, or apocalyptic rhetoric. So, what exactly is your opinion based on?
        UltraSane 7mo ago
        "By what metric?" By the fact that Trump hasn't killed thousands of people to stay in power. Pretty simple really. Protesting the US government is still legal. Protesting the Iranian government in Iran will get you killed.

lm28469 7mo ago

They're also doing exactly what they said they'd be doing if attacked in such manner. People who say Iran is "crazy" or "lashing out" are falling for the most brain dead propaganda