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I found this part interesting: "Inference requests from the agent never leave the sandbox directly. OpenShell intercepts every call and routes it to the NVIDIA

I found this part interesting: "Inference requests from the agent never leave the sandbox directly. OpenShell intercepts every call and routes it to the NVIDIA cloud provider." Seems like they are doing this to become the default compute provider for the easiest way to set up OpenClaw. If it works out, it could drive a decent amount of consumer inference revenue their way

cactusplant7374 7mo ago
Secure installation isn't the main problem with OpenClaw. This project doesn't seem to be solving a real problem. Of course the real problem is giving an LLM access to everything and hoping for the best.
- blizdiddy 7mo ago
  Running OpenClaw is the nerd equivalent of rolling coal
  - jsolson 7mo ago
    I'm trying to put together what you could possibly mean by this -- rolling coal is fundamentally about spite. In isolation, nobody _wants_ their vehicle to spew black smoke. It only comes close to making sense in the context of another population (EV owners, typically, or more generally "the libs"). OpenClaw lets people live a bit dangerously, but fundamentally gives them something that they actually wanted. They wanted it so badly that they're willing to take what seem like insane risks to get it. What do the two have in common?
    - sam-cop-vimes 7mo ago
      It is possible that they don't understand the risks involved, but yes, it certainly is tapping into unmet need.
    - bigfishrunning 7mo ago
      > OpenClaw lets people live a bit dangerously, but fundamentally gives them something that they actually wanted. They wanted it so badly that they're willing to take what seem like insane risks to get it. For the first time in my career I feel so incredibly behind on this: What is open claw giving people that they want so badly? It just seems like Russian Roulette, I honestly don't see the upside
      - Kye 7mo ago
        It increasingly seems like most people make a different decision after thinking through the security implications of something like this. This is me being charitable.
      - BeetleB 7mo ago
        Like with any new tool/technology, you have to try it. And even then the benefits won't be obvious to you until you've played with it for a few days/weeks. With LLMs in general, it took me months before I found real good use cases. Simple example: I tell (with my voice) my OpenClaw instance to monitor a given web site daily and ping me whenever a key piece of information shows up there. The real problem is that it is fairly unreliable. It would often ping me even when the information had not shown up. Another example: I'm particular about the weather related information I want, and so far have not found any app that has everything. I got sick of going to a particular web site, clicking on things, to get this information. So I created a Skill to get what I need, and now I just ask for it (verbally), and I get it. As the GP said. This is what Siri etc should have been.
        bigfishrunning 7mo ago
        > Simple example: I tell (with my voice) my OpenClaw instance to monitor a given web site daily and ping me whenever a key piece of information shows up there. Maybe i'm just old -- a cron job can fetch the info and push it to some notification service too, without also being a chaos agent. It seems I spend the security cost here, and in return i can save 15 minutes writing a script. Juice doesn't seem to be worth the squeeze.
    - croes 7mo ago
      And don’t care about them but they endanger third parties too. And many of them are people who should know better. Let’s make them 100% liable
    - frantathefranta 7mo ago
      > In isolation, nobody _wants_ their vehicle to spew black smoke. Honestly, when I was 12 years old and my dad floored the TDi in our Land Rover (with the diesel particulate filter deleted), it felt satisfying in a way, like the machine is allowed to be its most efficient self. Now that I'm adult, I know that it's marginal gains for the car and terrible for the environment, but there are people that have the thinking capability of a 12 year old driving these trucks. I don't think all of them do it because of spite (though I'm sure most do).
    - SkyeCA 7mo ago
      It might be about spite for some, but it's okay to admit you don't understand car people, especially the ones who like diesels.
  - PurpleRamen 7mo ago
    OpenClaw can be useful, in theory, unlike rolling coal. OpenClaw is what people always hoped Siri, Alexa and/or Google Assistant would be, and now it's really here. It may be expensive, has a chance to become your local Skynet and might randomly delete or leak everything that's valuable for you..but I guess this counts as growing pains.
    - recursive 7mo ago
      Rolling coal can be useful in theory, for pissing people off. As intended.
- Iolaum 7mo ago
  While I don't have OpenClaw installed and not sure how I 'd use it I doubt all the hype around it is because it doesn't solve a real problem. The project grew to huge popularity organically!!! How can that happen if it doesn't serve a need people have?
  - g947o 7mo ago
    Maybe let me ask this question: How is this any different from NFT?
    - PurpleRamen 7mo ago
      NFTs can't delete your mails.
      - CamperBob2 7mo ago
        "And that's why we've created MailCoin, the best way to perform stochastic mailbox ablation with with the latest, hottest blockchain technology." - from Show HN, March 20, 2026
        ElFitz 7mo ago
        Now with NFTs and pixel art, memorialising each and every one of your deleted emails in a unique and non-fungible way. … … Now I actually want to make it, and build a "card trading game" on top of it.
    - danielbln 7mo ago
      I'll ignore the bait and answer: NFTs were gambling in disguise, these claws are personal/household assistants, that proactively perform various tasks and can be genuinely useful. The security problem is very much unsolved, but comparing them to NFTs is just willfully ignorant at best
    - SkyBelow 7mo ago
      NFTs were fueled by two different drives. One interested in the technology and if it could do something new and interesting, and another seeing it as an area of speculation (be that fueled by get rich quick and cash out or thinking it is a long term investment generally driven by how much the first factor played in). OpenClaw seems to lack the monetary interest driving it as much. Not to say there is none, but I don't see people doing nearly as much to get me to buy their OpenClaw. So, yes, on some level, hype alone doesn't prove use, because it can also be because of making money. But, on the other hand, the specific version of hype seems much more focused on the "Look at what I built" and much less on "Better buy in now" from the builders themselves. Of course the API providers selling tokens are loving it for financial reasons.
amelius 7mo ago
s/revenue/data/
cat-turner 7mo ago
yes. this is it. but the average consumer isn't going to use this. Google is just going to do its version and win again. Everyone uses google.

cactusplant7374 7mo ago

Secure installation isn't the main problem with OpenClaw. This project doesn't seem to be solving a real problem. Of course the real problem is giving an LLM access to everything and hoping for the best.

blizdiddy 7mo ago
Running OpenClaw is the nerd equivalent of rolling coal
- jsolson 7mo ago
  I'm trying to put together what you could possibly mean by this -- rolling coal is fundamentally about spite. In isolation, nobody _wants_ their vehicle to spew black smoke. It only comes close to making sense in the context of another population (EV owners, typically, or more generally "the libs"). OpenClaw lets people live a bit dangerously, but fundamentally gives them something that they actually wanted. They wanted it so badly that they're willing to take what seem like insane risks to get it. What do the two have in common?
  - sam-cop-vimes 7mo ago
    It is possible that they don't understand the risks involved, but yes, it certainly is tapping into unmet need.
  - bigfishrunning 7mo ago
    > OpenClaw lets people live a bit dangerously, but fundamentally gives them something that they actually wanted. They wanted it so badly that they're willing to take what seem like insane risks to get it. For the first time in my career I feel so incredibly behind on this: What is open claw giving people that they want so badly? It just seems like Russian Roulette, I honestly don't see the upside
    - Kye 7mo ago
      It increasingly seems like most people make a different decision after thinking through the security implications of something like this. This is me being charitable.
    - BeetleB 7mo ago
      Like with any new tool/technology, you have to try it. And even then the benefits won't be obvious to you until you've played with it for a few days/weeks. With LLMs in general, it took me months before I found real good use cases. Simple example: I tell (with my voice) my OpenClaw instance to monitor a given web site daily and ping me whenever a key piece of information shows up there. The real problem is that it is fairly unreliable. It would often ping me even when the information had not shown up. Another example: I'm particular about the weather related information I want, and so far have not found any app that has everything. I got sick of going to a particular web site, clicking on things, to get this information. So I created a Skill to get what I need, and now I just ask for it (verbally), and I get it. As the GP said. This is what Siri etc should have been.
      - bigfishrunning 7mo ago
        > Simple example: I tell (with my voice) my OpenClaw instance to monitor a given web site daily and ping me whenever a key piece of information shows up there. Maybe i'm just old -- a cron job can fetch the info and push it to some notification service too, without also being a chaos agent. It seems I spend the security cost here, and in return i can save 15 minutes writing a script. Juice doesn't seem to be worth the squeeze.
  - croes 7mo ago
    And don’t care about them but they endanger third parties too. And many of them are people who should know better. Let’s make them 100% liable
  - frantathefranta 7mo ago
    > In isolation, nobody _wants_ their vehicle to spew black smoke. Honestly, when I was 12 years old and my dad floored the TDi in our Land Rover (with the diesel particulate filter deleted), it felt satisfying in a way, like the machine is allowed to be its most efficient self. Now that I'm adult, I know that it's marginal gains for the car and terrible for the environment, but there are people that have the thinking capability of a 12 year old driving these trucks. I don't think all of them do it because of spite (though I'm sure most do).
  - SkyeCA 7mo ago
    It might be about spite for some, but it's okay to admit you don't understand car people, especially the ones who like diesels.
- PurpleRamen 7mo ago
  OpenClaw can be useful, in theory, unlike rolling coal. OpenClaw is what people always hoped Siri, Alexa and/or Google Assistant would be, and now it's really here. It may be expensive, has a chance to become your local Skynet and might randomly delete or leak everything that's valuable for you..but I guess this counts as growing pains.
  - recursive 7mo ago
    Rolling coal can be useful in theory, for pissing people off. As intended.
Iolaum 7mo ago
While I don't have OpenClaw installed and not sure how I 'd use it I doubt all the hype around it is because it doesn't solve a real problem. The project grew to huge popularity organically!!! How can that happen if it doesn't serve a need people have?
- g947o 7mo ago
  Maybe let me ask this question: How is this any different from NFT?
  - PurpleRamen 7mo ago
    NFTs can't delete your mails.
    - CamperBob2 7mo ago
      "And that's why we've created MailCoin, the best way to perform stochastic mailbox ablation with with the latest, hottest blockchain technology." - from Show HN, March 20, 2026
      - ElFitz 7mo ago
        Now with NFTs and pixel art, memorialising each and every one of your deleted emails in a unique and non-fungible way. … … Now I actually want to make it, and build a "card trading game" on top of it.
  - danielbln 7mo ago
    I'll ignore the bait and answer: NFTs were gambling in disguise, these claws are personal/household assistants, that proactively perform various tasks and can be genuinely useful. The security problem is very much unsolved, but comparing them to NFTs is just willfully ignorant at best
  - SkyBelow 7mo ago
    NFTs were fueled by two different drives. One interested in the technology and if it could do something new and interesting, and another seeing it as an area of speculation (be that fueled by get rich quick and cash out or thinking it is a long term investment generally driven by how much the first factor played in). OpenClaw seems to lack the monetary interest driving it as much. Not to say there is none, but I don't see people doing nearly as much to get me to buy their OpenClaw. So, yes, on some level, hype alone doesn't prove use, because it can also be because of making money. But, on the other hand, the specific version of hype seems much more focused on the "Look at what I built" and much less on "Better buy in now" from the builders themselves. Of course the API providers selling tokens are loving it for financial reasons.

amelius 7mo ago

s/revenue/data/

cat-turner 7mo ago

yes. this is it. but the average consumer isn't going to use this. Google is just going to do its version and win again. Everyone uses google.