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ICE has been detaining Chinese people in my area (and going door to door in at least one neighborhood where a lot of Chinese and Indians live). I was hearing ab

by gaoshan 7mo ago

ICE has been detaining Chinese people in my area (and going door to door in at least one neighborhood where a lot of Chinese and Indians live). I was hearing about this just last week as word spread amongst the Chinese community here (Ohio) to make sure you have some legal documentation beyond just your driver's license on you at all times for protection. People will hear about this through the grapevine and it has a massive (and rightly so) chilling effect. US labs can try but with US government behaving like it is I don't think they will have much luck. *edit: not that it matters, but since MAGA can't help but assume, these are all US citizens and green card holders that I am referring to.

sourcegrift 7mo ago
Yes. Yes, so true. And the phd types building these models are probably even scared in China that ICE will fly there to deport them.
- jwolfe 7mo ago
  This thread is about bringing these people to the US.
  - swiftcoder 7mo ago
    There's no huge reason to bring them to the US. Plenty of US corporations have maintain overseas offices. Even if its impolitic to employ them directly in China, you can employ them in other offices (for example, Amazon has been known to do this with their Singapore offices)
  - user34283 7mo ago
    This thread is largely pointless political back-and-forth were predictably the comments with a more positive opinion on current US immigration enforcement will be flagged. To get back to the original point, personally I doubt sentiment on US immigration enforcement would be so significant a deterrent for Chinese talent, who may not share the political views of the American left for whom this is a big concern.
    - Matl 7mo ago
      > pointless political back-and-forth were predictably the comments with a more positive opinion on current US immigration enforcement will be flagged Given the tactics employed by ICE, it's a true shock and horror that most people have more humanity than that. But I guess a person who can't form a grammatically correct sentence is an example of the sort of people who can rest easy,
bobthepanda 7mo ago
Yeah, the Hyundai factory fiasco kind of dashed the idea that the enforcement would spare people working in favored industries setting up in the US.
- genxy 7mo ago
  The Hyundai factory "enforcement" wasn't even legal. Those workers were here to train US workers and the Hyundai employees had proper visas for this. https://apnews.com/article/immigration-raid-hyundai-korea-ice-georgia-eae8c87ed6c6c4f0c5679f7f8fe59f54 https://apnews.com/article/immigration-raid-hyundai-korea-ic... https://www.koreatimes.co.kr/foreignaffairs/20251112/hundreds-of-korean-workers-detained-in-georgia-to-file-lawsuit-against-ice https://www.koreatimes.co.kr/foreignaffairs/20251112/hundred... https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/attorney-says-detained-korean-hyundai-workers-had-special-skills-for-short-term-jobs https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/attorney-says-detained-k... The regime is powered by racism and doesn't think through things.
  - limagnolia 7mo ago
    Allegedly, though the local labor unions seem to disagree. I guess we'll have to wait for the facts to come out in court.
ljsprague 7mo ago
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- mattnewton 7mo ago
  Sometimes, often times no. They have detained multiple US citizens.
  - deleted 7mo ago
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  - nomel 7mo ago
    Any idea what the % is? Absolutes don't really make sense without being compared to the number of correct deportations. Detaining someone, for more information, isn't always unreasonable. For example, I was in a car accident with someone, and was not allowed to leave until the situation was understood. Was I wrongfully detained? Of course not. It was part of the due process.
    - mattnewton 7mo ago
      When you were detained it was in service of understanding an accident. When these Americans are detained it’s because they were racially profiled. The courts may decide that’s due process now but they didn’t believe so years ago and there is quite an ugly history to that practice. This article is from October of last year. It’s very hard to get current numbers. https://www.propublica.org/article/immigration-dhs-american-citizens-arrested-detained-against-will https://www.propublica.org/article/immigration-dhs-american-...
      - nomel 7mo ago
        According to that article (it's hard to understand their numbers) it seems around 50 (with the remaining being detained for interference?). According to this [1], ~68k have been deported. So, around 1 in 10,000 (or 0.07%). Next question would be, is 1 in 10,000 reasonable? You would have to compare to other countries or maybe police operations (like I experienced). [1] https://www.nbcnews.com/data-graphics/us-immigration-tracker-follow-arrests-detentions-border-crossings-rcna189148 https://www.nbcnews.com/data-graphics/us-immigration-tracker...
jiggawatts 7mo ago
"Papers, please." comes to the US of A.
- nomel 7mo ago
  Every administration since the foundation of ICE has removed illegal immigrants and funded ICE and immigration policy/border operations [1]. [1] Removals by president: https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/biden-deportation-record https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/biden-deportation-re...
  - fragmede 7mo ago
    Yes, but the difference in degree, and how are material. The big showy Hyundai plant raid is an example of something that hasn't happened before. Under Obama there were I-9 audits of Infosys, and under Clinton there was a raid of a Filiberto's, but both of those weren't of foreign workers here to train Americans.
  - the_gipsy 7mo ago
    Yes what's happening is totally normal, everybody does it all the time.
  - littlestymaar 7mo ago
    Every developed country on earth has an immigration policy and an administration dedicated to enforcing it. No other developed countries have masked goons abducting people in public wearing civil clothes and masks and disregarding every laws of the country (violating private property and foreign embassies, deporting national citizens, and numerous other preposterous bullshit). Immigration policy enforcement is normal, the madness that has been running in the US for a year isn't.
- gunsle 7mo ago
  You have to show ID to pick up a prescription or open a bank account. You have to show ID for routine traffic stops. This is such a juvenile, tired argument.
iso-logi 7mo ago
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- refulgentis 7mo ago
  It’s beautiful at 37 to still see new phrases sometimes, illegal citizens is a quite beautiful one, lol. (also, note the post is clearly about, to put it in your terms, legal citizens)
- nozzlegear 7mo ago
  Legalize illegal citizens
- CamperBob2 7mo ago
  There's a process. If the government won't follow it, why should the "illegals?"
- deleted 7mo ago
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- ncallaway 7mo ago
  > illegal citizens ???
  - iso-logi 7mo ago
    The term doesn't matter. If you haven't been approved to be in a country, you shouldn't be in said country. You don't go walking into the Amazon Head Office and walk up to the Executives Offices. You aren't allowed, why do you think this is acceptable? Sneaking into the office (country) and then benefiting seems not right, what am I missing?
    - nozzlegear 7mo ago
      All my ancestors had to do to become American citizens was get on a boat in Europe and not shit themselves to death by the time it arrived in New York. Why should it be any harder than that?
jjcc 7mo ago
There are 2 groups of new Chinese immigrants in the US, they are quite different: 1.Those who arrived through legal channels (most studied at U.S. universities and remained on H1B visas, with a smaller number through EB5 or other visa categories) and eventualy got green card. 2.Undocumented immigrants, which include several sub-groups/waves. In the 1990s, most came from just a couple provinces, Fujian and southern Zhejiang. After COVID, they were from different parts of China and entered through the southern border. The contributors to AI development belong to the 1st group. They are spread across the country but a large number work in high-tech companies in Northern California. The 2nd group was intially concentrated in New York and Southern California (Los Angeles area). Later they have expanded into nearby regions. They provide labor for Chinese-owned small businesses such as restaurants, grocery stores, and hotels. There is an industry created largely by Chinese political dissidents helping Group 2 through asylum applications using fake materials and exploiting common Western beliefs or narratives about China like human rights concerns. For example, Alysa Liu’s father is an asylum lawyer. ICE enforcement efforts would likely focus more on Group 2 if they are knowledgable. Ohio should not be a high-priority area. I could be wrong due to changes over time. One indicator you can observe: Are there many Chinese-owned small businesses in your area?
- hedora 7mo ago
  ICE arrests citizens and legal immigrants on a regular basis. Only 5% of the people they arrested had an immigration related conviction on their record: https://www.cato.org/blog/5-ice-detainees-have-violent-convictions-73-no-convictions https://www.cato.org/blog/5-ice-detainees-have-violent-convi... The Bay Area is mostly exempt for now because, after Trump announced ICE was going to surge in SF, a bunch of tech billionaires with economic interests in the region convinced him not to. Also, over the last year, there have been a bunch of high-profile arrests of Ohioans by ICE. In one example, they arrested someone for showing up to their immigration hearing, leaving their young kid separated from them outside the court.
- gaoshan 7mo ago
  They were operating in a traditional "China town" neighborhood for the detentions and the neighborhood they were going door to door in is one populated mostly by white collar professionals (tech, college professors, etc.).

by gaoshan 7mo ago

sourcegrift 7mo ago

Yes. Yes, so true. And the phd types building these models are probably even scared in China that ICE will fly there to deport them.

jwolfe 7mo ago
This thread is about bringing these people to the US.
- swiftcoder 7mo ago
  There's no huge reason to bring them to the US. Plenty of US corporations have maintain overseas offices. Even if its impolitic to employ them directly in China, you can employ them in other offices (for example, Amazon has been known to do this with their Singapore offices)
- user34283 7mo ago
  This thread is largely pointless political back-and-forth were predictably the comments with a more positive opinion on current US immigration enforcement will be flagged. To get back to the original point, personally I doubt sentiment on US immigration enforcement would be so significant a deterrent for Chinese talent, who may not share the political views of the American left for whom this is a big concern.
  - Matl 7mo ago
    > pointless political back-and-forth were predictably the comments with a more positive opinion on current US immigration enforcement will be flagged Given the tactics employed by ICE, it's a true shock and horror that most people have more humanity than that. But I guess a person who can't form a grammatically correct sentence is an example of the sort of people who can rest easy,

bobthepanda 7mo ago

Yeah, the Hyundai factory fiasco kind of dashed the idea that the enforcement would spare people working in favored industries setting up in the US.

genxy 7mo ago
The Hyundai factory "enforcement" wasn't even legal. Those workers were here to train US workers and the Hyundai employees had proper visas for this. https://apnews.com/article/immigration-raid-hyundai-korea-ice-georgia-eae8c87ed6c6c4f0c5679f7f8fe59f54 https://apnews.com/article/immigration-raid-hyundai-korea-ic... https://www.koreatimes.co.kr/foreignaffairs/20251112/hundreds-of-korean-workers-detained-in-georgia-to-file-lawsuit-against-ice https://www.koreatimes.co.kr/foreignaffairs/20251112/hundred... https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/attorney-says-detained-korean-hyundai-workers-had-special-skills-for-short-term-jobs https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/attorney-says-detained-k... The regime is powered by racism and doesn't think through things.
- limagnolia 7mo ago
  Allegedly, though the local labor unions seem to disagree. I guess we'll have to wait for the facts to come out in court.

ljsprague 7mo ago

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mattnewton 7mo ago
Sometimes, often times no. They have detained multiple US citizens.
- deleted 7mo ago
  [deleted]
- nomel 7mo ago
  Any idea what the % is? Absolutes don't really make sense without being compared to the number of correct deportations. Detaining someone, for more information, isn't always unreasonable. For example, I was in a car accident with someone, and was not allowed to leave until the situation was understood. Was I wrongfully detained? Of course not. It was part of the due process.
  - mattnewton 7mo ago
    When you were detained it was in service of understanding an accident. When these Americans are detained it’s because they were racially profiled. The courts may decide that’s due process now but they didn’t believe so years ago and there is quite an ugly history to that practice. This article is from October of last year. It’s very hard to get current numbers. https://www.propublica.org/article/immigration-dhs-american-citizens-arrested-detained-against-will https://www.propublica.org/article/immigration-dhs-american-...
    - nomel 7mo ago
      According to that article (it's hard to understand their numbers) it seems around 50 (with the remaining being detained for interference?). According to this [1], ~68k have been deported. So, around 1 in 10,000 (or 0.07%). Next question would be, is 1 in 10,000 reasonable? You would have to compare to other countries or maybe police operations (like I experienced). [1] https://www.nbcnews.com/data-graphics/us-immigration-tracker-follow-arrests-detentions-border-crossings-rcna189148 https://www.nbcnews.com/data-graphics/us-immigration-tracker...

jiggawatts 7mo ago

"Papers, please." comes to the US of A.

nomel 7mo ago
Every administration since the foundation of ICE has removed illegal immigrants and funded ICE and immigration policy/border operations [1]. [1] Removals by president: https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/biden-deportation-record https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/biden-deportation-re...
- fragmede 7mo ago
  Yes, but the difference in degree, and how are material. The big showy Hyundai plant raid is an example of something that hasn't happened before. Under Obama there were I-9 audits of Infosys, and under Clinton there was a raid of a Filiberto's, but both of those weren't of foreign workers here to train Americans.
- the_gipsy 7mo ago
  Yes what's happening is totally normal, everybody does it all the time.
- littlestymaar 7mo ago
  Every developed country on earth has an immigration policy and an administration dedicated to enforcing it. No other developed countries have masked goons abducting people in public wearing civil clothes and masks and disregarding every laws of the country (violating private property and foreign embassies, deporting national citizens, and numerous other preposterous bullshit). Immigration policy enforcement is normal, the madness that has been running in the US for a year isn't.
gunsle 7mo ago
You have to show ID to pick up a prescription or open a bank account. You have to show ID for routine traffic stops. This is such a juvenile, tired argument.

iso-logi 7mo ago

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refulgentis 7mo ago
It’s beautiful at 37 to still see new phrases sometimes, illegal citizens is a quite beautiful one, lol. (also, note the post is clearly about, to put it in your terms, legal citizens)
nozzlegear 7mo ago
Legalize illegal citizens
CamperBob2 7mo ago
There's a process. If the government won't follow it, why should the "illegals?"
deleted 7mo ago
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ncallaway 7mo ago
> illegal citizens ???
- iso-logi 7mo ago
  The term doesn't matter. If you haven't been approved to be in a country, you shouldn't be in said country. You don't go walking into the Amazon Head Office and walk up to the Executives Offices. You aren't allowed, why do you think this is acceptable? Sneaking into the office (country) and then benefiting seems not right, what am I missing?
  - nozzlegear 7mo ago
    All my ancestors had to do to become American citizens was get on a boat in Europe and not shit themselves to death by the time it arrived in New York. Why should it be any harder than that?

jjcc 7mo ago

There are 2 groups of new Chinese immigrants in the US, they are quite different: 1.Those who arrived through legal channels (most studied at U.S. universities and remained on H1B visas, with a smaller number through EB5 or other visa categories) and eventualy got green card. 2.Undocumented immigrants, which include several sub-groups/waves. In the 1990s, most came from just a couple provinces, Fujian and southern Zhejiang. After COVID, they were from different parts of China and entered through the southern border. The contributors to AI development belong to the 1st group. They are spread across the country but a large number work in high-tech companies in Northern California. The 2nd group was intially concentrated in New York and Southern California (Los Angeles area). Later they have expanded into nearby regions. They provide labor for Chinese-owned small businesses such as restaurants, grocery stores, and hotels. There is an industry created largely by Chinese political dissidents helping Group 2 through asylum applications using fake materials and exploiting common Western beliefs or narratives about China like human rights concerns. For example, Alysa Liu’s father is an asylum lawyer. ICE enforcement efforts would likely focus more on Group 2 if they are knowledgable. Ohio should not be a high-priority area. I could be wrong due to changes over time. One indicator you can observe: Are there many Chinese-owned small businesses in your area?

hedora 7mo ago
ICE arrests citizens and legal immigrants on a regular basis. Only 5% of the people they arrested had an immigration related conviction on their record: https://www.cato.org/blog/5-ice-detainees-have-violent-convictions-73-no-convictions https://www.cato.org/blog/5-ice-detainees-have-violent-convi... The Bay Area is mostly exempt for now because, after Trump announced ICE was going to surge in SF, a bunch of tech billionaires with economic interests in the region convinced him not to. Also, over the last year, there have been a bunch of high-profile arrests of Ohioans by ICE. In one example, they arrested someone for showing up to their immigration hearing, leaving their young kid separated from them outside the court.
gaoshan 7mo ago
They were operating in a traditional "China town" neighborhood for the detentions and the neighborhood they were going door to door in is one populated mostly by white collar professionals (tech, college professors, etc.).