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>hard to believe even Meta would do this intentionally). Hahahahahahahaha ZUCK: yea so if you ever need info about anyone at harvard ZUCK: just ask ZUCK: i
by alterom 7mo ago
>hard to believe even Meta would do this intentionally).
Hahahahahahahaha
ZUCK: yea so if you ever need info about anyone at harvard
ZUCK: just ask
ZUCK: i have over 4000 emails, pictures, addresses, sns
FRIEND: what!? how’d you manage that one?
ZUCK: people just submitted it
ZUCK: i don’t know why
ZUCK: they “trust me”
ZUCK: dumb fucks
Actual quote, BTW [1].
[1] https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2010/09/20/the-face-of-facebook https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2010/09/20/the-face-of-fa...
- drawnwren 7mo agoAs much as this is a damning quote, it is perhaps also damning that any time someone wants to smear zuck they have to reach 20 years into the past.
- jcgrillo 7mo agoor more recently the times he lied to Congress, all the layoffs, the "metaverse", etc
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- zephyreon 7mo agoLearning to choose your words more wisely as you age does not necessarily indicate your underlying value system has evolved.
- hattmall 7mo ago>they have to reach 20 years into the past. Well, they don't, but this is a particularly damning statement and it's age is more of a feature than a flaw because it shows a long history of anti-social disdain for humanity.
- duskdozer 7mo agoThere's a big difference between "someone said something stupid as a kid"... "but now has changed and is a totally different person" and "is doing the same things but now knows how not to say the quiet part out loud"
- echelon 7mo agoExactly. Show us how Meta is a moral player in society. All I can see are lots of evil behaviors.
- asadotzler 7mo agoHe wasn't even a kid. He was like 20 years old at university.
- sillyfluke 7mo ago>it is perhaps also damning that any time someone wants to smear zuck they have to reach 20 years into the past. It is perhaps not, and perhaps a bit disingenuous to claim so in good faith, as if it exceeds your abilities to search for the list of facebook scandals in the decades following and see that the behavior is often consistent with this quote. Even if you choose to ignore all that, it's also not very reasonable to expect troves of juicier quotes after all the C-suites, lawyers, and HR departments showed up locked everything down with corporate speak. I'm sure if facebook were to be so kind as to leak all the messages and audio of zuck's internal comms since that time people would be able to have many other juicy quotes to work with. It is often referenced because it's the best quote that represents the trailblazing era of preying on users' undying thirst for convenience in order to package their private data as a product.
- alterom 7mo agoThank you for saying this. I would not find a better way to word the response myself. "It is perhaps not, and perhaps a bit disingenuous to claim so in good faith, as if it exceeds your abilities to search for the list of facebook scandals in the decades following and see that the behavior is often consistent with this quote. It is often referenced because it's the best quote that represents the trailblazing era of preying on users' undying thirst for convenience in order to package their private data as a product. These sentences are deliciously delightful to read in this era of writing whose blandness and sloppiness is only amplified by LLM-driven "assistance". It is difficult to be pithy without being bitter, but your writing achieves it within the span of a single comment. If you have a blog, I hope you share it!
- shakna 7mo agoOkay, how about a settlement from just last year, about how Meta does nothing but violate privacy? [0] [0] https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cx2jmledvr3o https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cx2jmledvr3o
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- datatrashfire 7mo agoor just at any point in the last 20 years to the present works too
- alterom 7mo ago>As much as this is a damning quote, it is perhaps also damning that any time someone wants to smear zuck they have to reach 20 years into the past. Smear is a word that's not applicable here. It implies that the allegations in the argument labeled thusly are wrong and unjust. This is not the case here.
- LogicFailsMe 7mo agoOr just quote anything out of the much more recent book Careless People.
- noduerme 7mo agoI'd say once someone reveals their true character, you should believe it.
- aaa_aaa 7mo agoCharacter almost never changes.
- DonHopkins 7mo agoNot as self-damning as you trying to defend what he said 20 years ago, with full knowledge of how he's acted in those intervening 20 years. Congratulations, you've just smeared yourself with your own contemporary words.
- ElProlactin 7mo agoIt's not "smearing" to use Zuckerberg's own words in a discussion of his character, and this is far from the only example of things he's done or said in the past 20 years that would lead a reasonable person to call into question his moral fiber. It remains, however, a popular point of reference because: 1. It's fast and easy to read and digest. 2. The blunt language leaves little room for speculation about his feelings and intent at the time. 3. A lot of people understand that as Zuckerberg's wealth exploded, he surrounded himself with people (coaches, stylists, PR professionals, etc.) who are paid handsomely to rehabilitate and manage his image. Therefore, his pre-wealth behavior gives insight into who he really is.
- edgyquant 7mo agoIt doesn’t though, no one is the same person they were 20 years ago and every young person is makes a ton of mistakes
- ethbr1 7mo agoYou're suggesting a ton of money and power made Zuckerberg more empathetic?
- edgyquant 7mo agoNo I didn’t suggest that, I’m stating a fact that kids say stupid stuff all the time.
- godelski 7mo agoNo, you didn't suggest that. You suggested that the quote is not representative of who he is now. We'd need a lot more context (and words) for us to understand that sentence as anything other than defending him. At best you're giving him the benefit of doubt.
- Integrape 7mo agoYou're right, he's much worse now.
- bdangubic 7mo agoyou are who you are
- nkrisc 7mo agoYou would have a good point if what Meta is doing now wasn’t far worse than what Zuck himself is describing in those comments, all while Zuck has remained at the helm the entire time.
- jrussino 7mo agoI hear this rebuttal a lot; here's why it doesn't work for me: I'm the exact same age as Zuckerberg. When I first read this quote, it struck me as a really gross mindset and a point of view that I could neither relate to nor have sympathy for. I would not have said (or thought) those things when I was his age. Fundamentally, this is a demonstration of poor character. Now, people do grow and change. We've all said or done things that we regret. Life can be really hard, at times, for most of us, and more often than not young arrogant guys eventually learn some humility and grace and empathy after they confront the real world and experience the inevitable ups and downs of life. But Zuckerberg had no such experience. His life during and after the time when he said this was one of accelerating material success and validation. The scam he was so heartlessly bragging about in that statement actually worked, and he became one of the richest men in the world. So my expectation of the likelihood that he matured away from this mindset is much lower than it would be for someone like you or me. (And, as others have said in this thread, there's ample evidence from his subsequent decisions to support this)
- josefresco 7mo agohttps://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%2011/EFTA02718470.pdf https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%2011/EFTA02718...
- jcgrillo 7mo agoThis is a very important window into how the industry, by and large, views users and the concept of privacy. It's not merely authoritarian and predatory, to them users are subhuman.
- pembrook 7mo agoNow if only we could look up everything you said in chatrooms as a 19 year old and post the most inflammatory stuff on HN. I’m sure you’ve never said anything callous or snarky, and were a bastion of morality as a teenager.
- DonHopkins 7mo ago[flagged]
- pembrook 7mo agoHilarious. Before you posted this I actually edited my comment to remove a sentence at the end where I said "Now please proceed to call me a bootlicker while not rebutting my point." I thought it would be too flame-war-y. Guess it was actually needed however! US politics getting hysterical has been like the eternal semptember for HN. This place is so braindead and predictable and uninteresting now.
- matkoniecz 7mo agoYes, I posted some stupid stuff as teenager and later. I never in my life were mocking and making fun out of other people for trusting me, or equivalent. I also never run company that knowingly ruined multitude of lives and social interactions in general. > snarky Snark is not a problem that people have with Mr. Zuckerberg.
- 542354234235 7mo agoI've tried to learn and grow from the stupid comments of my youth. I haven't been involved in a long list of scandals directly related to the ideas those comments expressed, and if I was, it would be pretty clear that I didn't learn or grow at all.
- pembrook 7mo agoYou haven't been involved in a long list of public scandals because you've never done anything in your life that's publicly notable. By tricking yourself into believing you sit on a higher moral pedestal you're simply easing the pain of comparison. When high school girls spread gossip that the pretty, popular girl has loose morals, they aren't performing this service out of the goodness of their hearts. They're hoping to elevate themselves by tearing down the competition.
- lucasfin000 7mo agoThe worst part isn't even that quote, its that nothing structurally has changed one bit since then. The business model still requires users as the product. Glasses that upload video to Meta's servers is the entire point.