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The Iranian diaspora around the world is celebrating. Here's the scene in Berlin: https://youtu.be/NSbx_0mtk80?si=MJ_Bfvx8gVd1P1mm https://youtu.be/NSbx_0mtk80
by thomassmith65 8mo ago
The Iranian diaspora around the world is celebrating. Here's the scene in Berlin:
https://youtu.be/NSbx_0mtk80?si=MJ_Bfvx8gVd1P1mm https://youtu.be/NSbx_0mtk80?si=MJ_Bfvx8gVd1P1mm
They've waited a very long time for this moment!
- mibibyesthedust 8mo ago[dead]
- paganel 8mo agoWhat moment would that be? Begging for the Americans to bomb their former country?
- Almondsetat 8mo agoAt some point you have to decide: if my country is held back by a brutal dictatorial regime where civilians can't hope to topple it, is there anything else to do other than get external help?
- jachee 8mo agoAs an American, I’m really starting to feel that way.
- eclipseo76 8mo agoReally... In a thread about Iran... This is not comparable at all and so insulting for what they have endured since 1979.
- quitspamming 8mo agoExcept midterm elections are literally this year. But other than that small detail, sure.
- jachee 7mo agoThe ones where they’re going to send brownshirts to intimidate voters in blue states? The ones they’re going to try to disrupt like Dallas County last night? The ones they’ve trying desperately to Gerrymander to lock down their dictatorial power? Those elections? It really feels like they’re trying hard to change the rules so that they’re the only ones who can win, to be just like their idol/puppeteer in Russia. And it feels like an external intervention is one of the only things that may help.
- jachee 7mo agoOh, and I forgot to mention the ironically-named (so much of their stuff is ironically-named…) “SAVE” Act, that’s set to disrupt the process even further by having “AI” purge voter registration rolls.
- quitspamming 7mo ago> The ones where they’re going to send brownshirts to intimidate voters in blue states? Any actual evidence this is happening or is going to happen? I've seen some ACLU talking points, always conveniently placed above a donate button, but not any facts. > The ones they’re going to try to disrupt like Dallas County last night? Not from Dallas but looking at the news it looks like a state issue involving the Texas Supreme Court? No mention of Trump, GOP, ICE, or brownshirts. > The ones they’ve trying desperately to Gerrymander to lock down their dictatorial power? Those elections? Gerrymandering just started under Trump? I know there is no way to verify this, but I am not a Trump supporter or Republican. I am just someone who thinks the rhetoric is completely overblown, not supported by reality, and especially comparing it to Iran they're not even in the same phylum let alone class.
- aaa_aaa 8mo agoThis was never about Iranian people. This is all about war mongers, puppets and idiots who believe them.
- smt88 8mo agoThose may be the motivations, but the outcome (so far) is still something Iranians are optimistic about
- blowsand 8mo agoDefend your thesis.
- anonymous908213 8mo agoVenezuela.
- avoutos 8mo agoDefend your thesis
- JimmyBiscuit 8mo agoHmm I wonder what superpower got most of the oil from venezuela and iran. I think it starts with a C
- tdeck 8mo agoTrump literally said it was about the oil on television?
- throwaway2037 8mo agoWild, right? He said it out loud. It reminds me of Chappelle's Show - Black Bush.
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- 4ndrewl 8mo agoMaybe speak to some Libyans. Or Iraqis. Or Syrians?
- UltraSane 8mo agoShort term pain for long term gain.
- bambax 8mo agoShort term pain for long term more pain.
- Almondsetat 8mo agoIs this a way to avoid thinking about the conundrum?
- 4ndrewl 8mo ago"The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results"
- reliabilityguy 8mo agoLibya is not a real country in a historical sense. It’s a bunch of tribes, Kadaffi was from one of the tribes that subjugated others. In Iraq it was a Sunni minority that rules over Shiite majority, and other minorities like the Kurds. In Syria one minority (alawiites) rules over others by force. Also, these countries were not formed by themselves, but rather through deals with France and/or Britain. Iran, while also diverse, has a thousands of years long history. Persians still see themselves as continuation of Persian peoples from the empire times, etc. So, it is not very correct to compare it one to one.
- someotherperson 8mo agoIraqis also see themselves as a continuation of Mesopotamian people, that was quite literally what Iraqi Baathist thought was centered around and used as the successful unification strategy. That's quite literally the justification the Baathists used to try 'reclaim' both Khuzestan and Kuwait. You quite literally couldn't be more wrong in how you categorize Baathist Iraq. Iran has a much worse relationship with its minorities, where if you are of the wrong faith then you literally face state-sanctioned laws preventing you studying or working. In fact, things in Iraq became much worse for minorities after the overthrowal due to the adoption of Iranian cultural practices like Abrahamic elitism. The cherry on top of all of this is that you probably don't realize that Persians in Iran only make up 60% of the country. You have Iranians who wholly reject Persian ancestry (Azeris, Armenians, Assyrians, Kurds...) but you don't even account for them, despite Iran having, what, three? entirely separate ethnic-based separatist insurgencies active across the country LOL
- breakyerself 8mo agoTrump isn't there to help. He wants the oil and he wants a puppet dictator. He doesn't care about the people.
- vasco 8mo agoWhich Arab countries are better after US intervention? The last place that had a dictator is now ruled by ISIS.
- oytis 8mo agoIran is not an Arab country? Answering a more general question - all countries of former Yugoslavia are better after US intervention. Some Serbs would not agree, but it's on them
- vasco 8mo agoIn Iran the outcome is yet to be seen, but we have nearby Arab countries where we don't have to guess what happens. Great deflection.
- oytis 8mo agoIt's not a deflection, it's an example of an intervention having a positive effect. I see no reason for Iran following Arabic rather than Balkan scenario - it's a totally different culture - much more modernised and much more secular
- baxtr 8mo agoYou want your story to be true so badly you ignore counter examples? You should consider conformation bias.
- vasco 8mo agoWhat story? Iraq is ruled by ISIS and Syria is ruled by a dude who's goal was to institute Sharia or ISIS v2. Those were both countries in the region where US intervention toppled a dictator and now is how it is.
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- bjourne 8mo agoOh, please. If you think the majority of all Iranians are in favor of US-Israeli bombings of their home country, you're seriously smoking some potent propaganda.
- khazhoux 8mo agoEvery Iranian friend of mine is celebrating this. They desperately wanted him gone. Are you suggesting Iranians should have protested harder, maybe tried more to "bring change from within"?
- bjourne 8mo agoI have ten times as many Iranian friends as you have. They are all against the bombings.
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- Jensson 8mo agoMost Iranians outside Iran fled from the current regimes terror, they are happy with this. My country took in a lot of Iranians when the current regime took over in the 70s and those are very happy about this. They are out on the street celebrating the attacks on Iranian leaders, not protesting against them.
- AlexeyBelov 8mo agoHow do you know how many friends they have, to confidently state you have 10x?
- bjourne 8mo agoI'm satirizing the dumb "all my friends think X"-argument. Honest intellectual debate requires that your claims are verifiable.
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- paganel 8mo agoAt no point in life I would wish for my fellow citizens to get killed by a foreign power. I’m already in my mid-40s, I’ve spent a day or two out in the streets, protesting (granted, not against governments that the West labels as dictatorial), but at no point has that option crossed my mind. More on point, I would regard the people thinking like that as traitors, because that’s what they are by definition, wishing for your fellow citizens to get killed by a foreign Power so that your political views can prevail is the very definition of treason to one’s people and nation.
- Ray20 8mo ago> your fellow citizens to get killed by a foreign Power so that your political views can prevail What does the assassination of DICTATORS have to do with all of this? Dictatorship is less about citizenship and more about a form of slavery. Resisting the killing of a dictator in any way, regardless of who is trying to kill him or why, is treason to a nation.
- calf 8mo agoPeople don't agree on what a dictator looks like.
- thomassmith65 8mo agoYes. 10 million Iranians live outside Iran. They want a normal country again. Later today, I'm sure footage from LA, Toronto, London, Stockholm will be up.
- breakyerself 8mo agoThey're not going to have a normal country. The United States under Trump isn't interested in a democratic Iran. They want a dictator they can control.
- pinkmuffinere 8mo agoI think you’re right that it would be a puppet state under trump. But in three years it will be a puppet state under somebody else! And maybe that somebody would relinquish the strings.
- Thlom 8mo agoHaha.
- SXX 8mo agoNot disagreeing with you, but US-controlled dictators have better track record of not killing thousands of protesters or just random people in own populations. Not perfect option, but still is an improvement even from your positiom.
- amarcheschi 8mo agoUS supported Pinochet or the US supported military dictatorship in brasil would like to disagree
- throwaway2037 8mo agoAgree. See also military dictatorships in South Korea and Taiwan. Many terrible years and brutal killings by the gov't. Both gov'ts were strongly supported by the US.
- aaa_aaa 8mo agoAre they cheering killing of dozens of school children as well?
- thomassmith65 8mo agoNo, obviously. Actually, they will probably assume the IRGC killed them to blame the West. I don't believe that, but the Iranians can't stand the regime.
- aaa_aaa 8mo agoWhen numbers hit tens of thousands maybe they will.
- throwawayheui57 8mo agoThey have already, were you asleep?
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- pinkmuffinere 8mo agoNobody is happy about killing civilians. But Khamenei did more than that every day he was alive. Personally I feel there is some amount of immediate civilian casualty that is worth putting a stop to continuous suffering.
- heavyset_go 8mo agoIt's easy to excuse the collateral damage of people you will never meet, just remember that this reasoning has unleashed hell on Earth for countless innocent people, many kids, and it makes you sound like a ghoul. Hope to hell that you or anyone you care about isn't on the receiving end of such sentiments.
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- kubb 8mo agoI have no doubt that they didn't like that the regime, which is why they left. But this assassination is no guarantee of change for the better. Far from it.
- pinkmuffinere 8mo agoIt’s no guarantee, but it is a good opportunity. I’m half-Persian, and certainly not as closely connected as others, but it’s hard to see this as a bad thing. There’s a possibility I can go visit my family in Iran as a result of this. I haven’t had a good chance for that in like 4 years
- kubb 8mo agoI would defer the celebration until you can.
- empath75 8mo agoThe most likely situation is continuity. They just pick a new supreme leader. The second most likely situation is a civil war.
- reliabilityguy 8mo agoThere is also a possibility of a Venezuela-style cooperation.
- readthenotes1 8mo agoAdding Iranian oil back to the market will lower prices everywhere, including Russia. I'm not so sure the extra-heavy Venezuelan oil will be affected as much. Anyone know?
- alephnerd 8mo agoIndia used to use Venezuelan crude before the 2019 sanctions [0][1] India only shifted to using Russian oil in 2022 [2] after Venezuelan [3] and Iranian [4] oil sanctions were enacted, which was when both began increasing engagement with China. It's a similar story for South Korea [5] and Japan [6]. This helps reduce prices for ONG, as India is shifting back to Venezuelan crude which gives slack which South Korea and Japan can take advantage of, as India, Japan, and South Korea represent 3 of the 5 largest oil consumers globally. [0] - https://www.thehindu.com/business/Industry/ongc-awaits-instructions-about-restarting-operation-in-venezuela-sees-positive-movement/article70627753.ece https://www.thehindu.com/business/Industry/ongc-awaits-instr... [1] - https://www.thehindu.com/business/Industry/reliance-venezuelan-oil-imports-us-license/article70628080.ece/ https://www.thehindu.com/business/Industry/reliance-venezuel... [2] - https://www.bbc.com/news/business-65553920 https://www.bbc.com/news/business-65553920 [3] - https://www.wilsoncenter.org/article/india-and-venezuela-grow-distant-post-us-sanctions https://www.wilsoncenter.org/article/india-and-venezuela-gro... [4] - https://www.brookings.edu/articles/trump-tightens-sanctions-on-irans-oil-exports-how-india-will-respond/ https://www.brookings.edu/articles/trump-tightens-sanctions-... [5] - https://eastasiaforum.org/2019/09/13/south-korean-oil-refineries-hit-hard-by-iran-sanctions/ https://eastasiaforum.org/2019/09/13/south-korean-oil-refine... [6] - https://mei.edu/ar/publication/japan-and-middle-east-navigating-us-priorities-and-energy-security/ https://mei.edu/ar/publication/japan-and-middle-east-navigat...
- baxtr 8mo agoNot only outside the country, but also inside the country! Many many videos on social media showing how they celebrate.
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- Taek 8mo ago[flagged]
- flir 8mo agoWould create a market for aged accounts (or give a shot in the arm to the existing market). I think the problem is reach - if a site has reach, it's going to attract gamification. The more trustworthy the site is considered (for example, by having a many-hoops sign-up process), the bigger a target for gamification it will be. (And this is why we can't have nice thighs.)
- js4ever 8mo agoAgreed, it's a propaganda bot. But with Khamenei dead and Iran terrorist gov down we might have less of those paid actors here and everywhere on internet because their source of income will be gone
- xannabxlle 8mo ago"Iran terrorist gov" so unserious. Yesterday's terrorist is today's US appointed leader. See: Syria. From US bounty to US approved. You can just as easily see Israel as the terrorist government attacking Iran unprovoked. They have been claiming Iran has been 2 weeks away from a nuke for decades.
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- Bender 8mo agoI'm not picking a side, just saying people often create throw-away accounts for political discussions. But yeah an account can be anything. One never knows the underlying agenda people truly have. My evil agenda is to encourage people to watch every season of Futurama.
- tejohnso 8mo agoThere would likely be millions of Americans celebrating the murder of their current president, should that happen. It doesn't mean it's reasonable, right, just, or civilized, nor would it indicate that it was a unanimously supported action.
- TulliusCicero 8mo agoBut in the case of an actual dictator who murdered thousands of protestors it is reasonable, right, just, and civilized. Shed no tears for the deaths of tyrants. They would happily see you and any other threat to their illegitimate power put six feet under.
- LastTrain 8mo agoYes our president has only needlessly murdered two innocent US citizens so far. As he has told us countless times, he would like to be a dictator.
- TulliusCicero 8mo agoTrump would very much like to be, no denying that, but he isn't there yet. Regardless, dictators deserve to be put into the ground no matter where they are.
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- thomassmith65 8mo agoMy personal view is that most dictators deserve to be stuffed into a suitcase, loaded into a canon, and fired into the side of a climbing wall. I guess that makes me immoral. That said, for anything aside from a despotic world leader, I'm also against the death penalty.
- nicbou 8mo agoI can hear them from my window. They're really happy. Lots of honking, revving engines and shouting near Zoo.
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- paxys 8mo agoEasy to celebrate from a few thousand miles away. I'm not saying the Ayatollah wasn't a vile criminal, but it's always innocents on the ground who face the brunt of war. I hope the citizens of Iran can have a peaceful transition and chart a better path for their country, but every single one of America's previous forced regime changes in the region (and across the world) has shown otherwise.
- throwawayheui57 8mo agoOh you should see the videos coming out of Iran from people celebrating. I also just saw state tv threatening people once more. They're so scared.
- acjohnson55 8mo agoIf I were in their shoes, I would be celebrating, too. But this is complicated. If they and their loved ones are already outside the country, they are not directly imperiled by the power vacuum. So the upside is maybe their homeland becomes hospitable again, but the downside is basically that it remains inhospitable. I'm not saying that the diaspora doesn't care about the risks or have empathy for those that remain in Iran. I'm sure there are also many people who are deeply concerned. Just that being an emigre changes things.
- aucisson_masque 8mo agoExpatriates behaviors are often misleading and don't represent the general feeling inside the country. I'm not saying that Iranian loved Khamenei, but maybe they are not that happy that he is dead because of other reasons. Instability for instance.
- _3u10 8mo agoNot really, expats help shape the narrative and bring external help to make their views the reality.
- avazhi 8mo agoAside from a few members of the IRGC, everybody who has been paying attention for the past 40 years is celebrating. Taking out both Maduro and Khomeini over the course of a few months without a single American or Israeli casualty is peak.
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- pjc50 8mo agoThere were allegedly 7 US personnel injured during the Maduro raid. Decapitation airstrikes have been possible for decades. I suppose now we find out whether that was a good idea or not. Slightly surprised the Iran strike worked, if you remember the hunts for Saddam and Bin Laden.
- alephnerd 8mo ago> if you remember the hunts for Saddam and Bin Laden. We didn't have Project Maven 25 years ago, and our leadership in the early 2000s were committed to boots-on-the-ground nation-building due to the afterglow of the NATO intervention in Yugoslavia.
- DANmode 8mo agoThree very different operations.
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- alchemism 8mo agoMurdering heads of state and their families is cool as Judge, Jury, and Executioner if no soldiers are hurt in the process, is that where we are now?
- avazhi 8mo agoThat’s the privilege you get when you’re the hyperpower. And I say that as somebody who neither lives in the US nor voted for Trump.
- tim333 8mo agoPeople celebrating inside Iran too https://x.com/visegrad24/status/2027840034150178952 https://x.com/visegrad24/status/2027840034150178952
- thomassmith65 8mo agoThat's very moving! I can't say many international developments have filled me with optimism the past couple years. I want so badly for this to pan out for Iranians.
- ignoramous 8mo ago> want so badly for this to pan out for Iranians Badly? You seem a little obsessed. The few anti-regime Iranians (who live in Iran) I know do not want to get bombed into freedom & democracy. The Western hubris despite Iraq and Afghanistan is back in full force, I see.
- tim333 8mo agoNo harm in wishing people well really.
- ignoramous 8mo agoHell of a way to wish them well by jeopardising their financial, political, social, and religious well-being.
- tim333 8mo agoNeither of us were cheerleading the bombing. Just saying we hope things work out.
- ignoramous 8mo agotim333, I do believe you when you say you weren't. May be I am projecting and was out of sorts. Apologies.
- Rapzid 8mo agoHopefully from this the conditions will materialize where they could, if so inclined, help build Iran up in the future..
- consumer451 8mo agoAlso please see: https://old.reddit.com/r/newiran https://old.reddit.com/r/newiran Remember Kian.
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- tdeck 8mo agoIt's interesting that they're all flying the flag of the Shah.
- sph 8mo agoThe son of a Shah that was deposed by mass protests by well-educated students and intellectuals during the Islamic Revolution, who are now in their 60s. Time is a circle.
- breppp 8mo agosometimes you just have to try Islamism before you decide you don't like it
- thomassmith65 8mo agoIt's moot anyways since the fundamentalist side of the coalition purged the leftwing intellectuals shortly after the latter had served the purpose of toppling the Shah.
- wiseowise 8mo agoThey're all paid actors! CIA agents! Orange revolution!
- penguin_booze 8mo agoDo enjoy the moment while it lasts. Because the next ruler will be an American stooge. This isn't going anywhere, like the other "revolutions" in the middle east.
- UltraSane 8mo agoAt least a sane stooge.
- sph 8mo agoHenry Kissinger is looking up and smiling.
- wiseowise 8mo ago> Henry Kissinger is looking up and smiling. He's dea... oooh.
- anovikov 8mo agoWhat's wrong about it? This is the goal - like in Syria: neuter the country by bringing in a pro-American government that will ensure country will stay weak and irrelevant, in exchange for letting it terrorise locals as they please.
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- jhoechtl 8mo agoThe dispora means little though, the people in the country count as they live 365 days there without the convenient ability to comment from a distance and they are ones who would have to die for a turnover.
- y-curious 8mo agoYou mean the ones who cannot comment because their authoritarian theocratic regime blocked protest and the internet? I hope that changes for them
- kjfarm 8mo agoI think this is a good point, there is evidence (even with strict censorship controls in place) that people inside the country are celebrating https://www.nytimes.com/2026/02/28/world/middleeast/iran-khameni-celebrations.html https://www.nytimes.com/2026/02/28/world/middleeast/iran-kha...
- lucasRW 8mo agoThere are similar scenes in all Iranian cities. Literally the first morning video we could see Saturday morning before the internet shutdown, were ladies on their balcony jumping of joy that they had struck Khamenei's neighbourhood.
- jmyeet 8mo agoPeople should never treat the diaspora as representative of any population other than the diaspora. This issue comes up with Cuba a lot. A lot of Cuban-Americans hate Castro. Why? Because they were the upper-middle class to wealthy under Batista. This history becomes almost comically distorted. Senator Ted Cruz said that he hates communists because his father was tortured by... Batista [1]. So let me give you an example of the Iranian/Persian diaspora. In 2024 in particular we had a lot of protests against Israel's genocide in Gaza and American support for it. Many were on college campuses. One was on UCLA. In April 2024, masked counterprotesters attacked the protesters and the police stood idly by and let it happen. The police later then used this violence as a reason to crack down on the protesters. So who were these counter-protesters? Persian diaspora [2]. Anyone celebrating this knows nothing about history and honestly nothing about Iran. First, Khamenei isn't a singular autocrat like Basheer al-Asaad or Saddam Hussein. No decapitation strike is going to result in regime change. Did you notice the Iranian response change after Khamenei's death? No. Because there isn't one. The religious governmental institutions still exist. A temporary successor was appointed. The IRGC continues as is. Iran is a functioning state that will continue without its Supreme Leader. Second, let's just say that the Iranian government does fall apart. That's going to be incredibly bad for Iranians as you'll either get a fail-state like Libya, Syria or Somalia (which is what Israel wants) or you'll simply get an American puppet. Do you know who the American puppet in Syria is? Ahmed al-Sharaa, formerly an al-Qaeda leader. Do you think that's going to end well? Saddam Hussein was an American puppet. Until he wasn't. The former Shah. Augusto Pinochet. That's who you get when the US installs a puppet regime. Maybe you think Iran will get a functioning democracy. They had one until the US overthrew it in 1953. Do you really think the US cares about Iranians? Like at all? What exactly is being celebrated here? [1]: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/I2AdbLDVb0Q https://www.youtube.com/shorts/I2AdbLDVb0Q [2]: https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/16/us/ucla-student-protests-counterprotesters-invs https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/16/us/ucla-student-protests-coun...
- inglor_cz 8mo ago"That's going to be incredibly bad for Iranians as you'll either get a fail-state like Libya, Syria or Somalia (which is what Israel wants) or you'll simply get an American puppet." Iran is one of the oldest continuing political units in the world, clocking over 2500 years as an organized state. I think you seriously underestimate the capabilities and know-how of the Iranians by expecting them to behave the same way as pre-state tribal polities like Somalia.
- slim 8mo agoberlin is spooktown. everything you see is staged
- somenameforme 8mo agoI'm not sure that Iranians in Berlin holding signs written in English are necessarily widely representative, nor entirely organic. Here's a comparable scene of what's going on in Iran for mourners of Ali Khamenei: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/QQMGijEMJfc https://www.youtube.com/shorts/QQMGijEMJfc I'm not saying this to be argumentative. I do not know what the "real" internal state of is in Iran in terms of support/opposition for their leadership, and I don't think there is anyway to find out this information. Our media will lie, and so will theirs. And people themselves will also lie, and not even necessarily intentionally. Imagine polling Americans (let alone expats long since removed from America) on what percent of Americans they think support Trump without knowledge of polls/votes to inform them. As a result I think most of all media along these lines is much more likely to mislead rather than inform.
- snthpy 8mo agoIn March 2020 l was glad about the oil price dropping to below $20, but very concerned about the state of the world.