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The Hunt for Dark Breakfast
- kibwen 7mo agoI suggest that the forbidden breakfast is tantamount to an eggs benedict, but with the hollandaise sauce replaced by a roux.
- koolba 7mo agoSo eggs with white gravy? I think I’ve had that combo and it was pretty banging.
- kazinator 7mo agoIf it's forbidden, it is rather "eggs interdict".
- noduerme 7mo agoAdd crawfish and you're really talkin
- Bjartr 7mo agoHow about a Sauce Mornay? béchamel (roux + milk) + egg yolks + cheese
- 3RTB297 7mo agoEven easier - egg sandwich using a basic milk bread.
- lambda 7mo agoOh, I do frequently have biscuits and gravy topped with fried eggs, though the biscuits and gravy would definitely pull it further towards the flour end of the spectrum, maybe not quite in the dark region. Also, hollandaise is pretty integral to eggs benedict, I've had lots of variations but the traditional with poached egg, canadian bacon, english muffin, and hollandaise is really by far the best.
- josephjeon 7mo agoIsn't it something like pancake with more eggs?
- kazinator 7mo agoLove how at at the milk apex, there is cafe latte. Of course, it couldn't just be milk, perish the thought!
- scythe 7mo agoHave to wonder if yogurt counts, since I've had that for breakfast many more times than just milk or a latte
- hspeiser 7mo agoWhat about french toast? I feel like there is a lot of egg in it, might place it near the bottom of the abyss.
- moultano 7mo agoFrench toast isn't plotted because the recipe doesn't customarily start with flour, but if you do plot it it ends up in the lower middle. If you have exceptionally eggy challah, then you might be able to push it into the abyss, but really exceptionally eggy, like 1:1 egg to flour by weight.
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- dheera 7mo agoWhat about vegetable-forward breakfasts? Completely not on this chart.
- bigstrat2003 7mo agoThat's because such breakfasts are forbidden by the Geneva Convention articles, section 23, subsection 8, paragraph 4. It's not one of the more well known provisions, but it does exist, and nobody wants to break international law.
- lucianbr 7mo ago> nobody wants to break international law I was with you up to this point, but my suspension of disbelief has its limits.
- kenty 7mo agoDietary fiber is clearly off charts for OP.
- abakker 7mo agoIf you add baking powder and butter, that dark breakfast recipe is very close to crepes. My crepe recipe - cook on medium heat pan: Blend on low: 4 eggs- 3/4 cup whole milk, 1/2 stick of melted butter, and 1/4cup to 1/2 cup plain flower, 1 heaped tbsp of baking powder, 1/2 tsp salt, vanilla optional and to taste
- josephjeon 7mo agoLooks like very close to the dark breakfast recipe
- Nursie 7mo agoInteresting, we could add in an 'arm' from the pancake local group, heading out from American pancakes, via traditional English pancakes (approx 1 cup of whole milk, 2 eggs, 3/4 cup of flour) to Crepes. I guess the only difficulty there is we English don't eat those for breakfast, and really only make them on one day of the year. Which I missed this year! Dammit, we're going to be having a belated pancake day here soon...
- xen0 7mo agoAs an Englishman that has been transplanted to another country, I find myself making them more in Germany than I ever made them back home. But that's because my wife requests it. It would never occur to me to up the egg ratio so high to reach into that void though. My wife manages to mess up the proportions every time though, so maybe we'll unwittingly explore that region one day.
- Nursie 7mo agoOh interesting! I'm also overseas these days, in Australia with my English partner, and have rarely thought of the English pancake in some time. Even when I'm making breakfast pancakes they're usually American style and I'm supposed to be watching my weight and cholesterol these days so that's become a lot less frequent too.
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- noduerme 7mo agoHaha. I'd suggest that what's missing in the um "latent space" here, is that the triangle should be a pentagon involving some form of bacon/sausage, and some form of potato. This cracked me up, because I had a fantastic dream the other night where I had a tour through a donut factory. But the best thing I had (in the dream) was something I'd never tried before, never seen, and which I intend to make at the earliest opportunity. It was slightly salty french fries, buttered and coated in sugar and cinnamon, like cinnamon toast. Bang on. Makes a lot of sense too, if you think about it. Definitely would fit in the "dark breakfast" polygon. [edit] the potato and bacon theory also comes from what ends up deliciously mixed on your plate at the end, which along with syrup and ketchup is also an integral part of any egg/flour/milk breakfast.
- kfarr 7mo agoYeah meat is another dimension, as is potato. So we're up to 4 dimensional breakfast latent space. I hate to think what's in the dark breakfast black hole of that 4 dimensional latent space...
- noduerme 7mo agoI feel like there's a lot of unexplored area in the carb-soaked-in-egg category that French Toast fits into. The major analogues being chiliqiles and matzoh brie. I recently did something like french toast bites where I cubed some sourdough bread, soaked it with egg and fried it up with small pieces of bacon mixed in. But what if you did that with a glazed donut? Or a waffle? [edit] just also why this post touched my heart - I think form is as important as ingredients whenever you're dealing with relatively few ingredients. I have a breakfast I particularly love making that's just hash browns, egg and cheese. But the trick is, you griddle the hash browns, then flip them and smash them on griddled cheese, then crack an egg on top while the cheese fries and flip the whole thing again. The result is a crispy potato pancake where one side is fried cheese and the other is embedded fried egg. The same 3 ingredients, but it can be held in hand and it's got the perfect balance in each bite.
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- cadamsdotcom 7mo agoWhat sort of projection is this that turns a 3-dimensional space into a triangle! Fancy projection math is only for after coffee!
- jonahx 7mo agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simplex https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simplex Common for visualizing mixtures of three things!
- vl 7mo agoWhile you are technically correct, since any triangle is a simplex, this is not relevant to this visualization. For this visualization: get positive quantities in 3D space, normalize to 1, now you have dot on a triangle on 1-sphere in a positive octant. Project triangle into 2D space a this is your visualization.
- Paracompact 7mo ago2-sphere, I believe you mean to say.
- moultano 7mo agoIt's easy, if you normalize it so that it sums to one, it drops a dimension, and becomes an equilateral triangle.
- JackFr 7mo agoThis article doesn't do it justice, but the Womelette at the short-lived Royal Canadian Pancake House in NYC lived in the dark abyss. https://www.eater.com/2015/1/26/7860903/amanda-cohen-royal-canadian-pancake-house https://www.eater.com/2015/1/26/7860903/amanda-cohen-royal-c... It wasn't just an omelette on top of a waffle (and both of them the size of a medium pizza). As you strayed from the edges toward the center it became difficult to see where the waffle ended and the omelette began. Such a shame they went out of business.
- mikestorrent 7mo agoThis is fantastic, I'm dying to eat a Womelette.
- khafra 7mo agoBlending an omelette and a waffle should be totally doable; I've made waffle frittatas before and they turned out great.
- ErroneousBosh 7mo agoIt sounds like you're kind of a little up and to the right of the Ugandan Rolex[1]. This sounds like some hideous method of gangland killing, but is in fact a tomato omelette rolled up in a big fresh chapati. Nothing to stop you using any other variety of omelette and indeed I've had excellent results with cheese ones. [1] https://www.theregister.com/2015/08/23/post_pub_nosh_ugandan_rolex/ https://www.theregister.com/2015/08/23/post_pub_nosh_ugandan...
- randallsquared 7mo agoThe article you linked claims "any type of omelette", but the vast majority of omelettes[*] are semicircles, not circular, right? You'd have to cook the top and bottom separately or mostly separately to get a circular one. Hm. [*] of course, here I mean proper omelettes, which are an egg shell around ingredients, not scrambled eggs with ingredients mixed in.
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- fyltr 7mo agoMight choux hit that dark breakfast abyss? They aren't breakfast per se, but it might show that you can do things with those proportions.
- 01100011 7mo agoThe recipe at the end sounds a lot like the crepes I'd make in college. It was pre-WWW and I had no idea what I was doing but it seemed to work. The one thing I had going for me in college was a Costco membership. 25lb bags of flour, gallons of milk, and flats of eggs.. all cheap. I'd barter with roommates for crepe toppings (sour cream and jelly usually).
- jfengel 7mo agoCongratulations. You've reinvented the souffle.
- muzani 7mo agoIn Malaysia, a common breakfast is roti telur + teh tarik which is close to the dark breakfast region. It's like paratha, with an egg, and milk tea. It is difficult to put milk into food. Why not just drink it? Alternatively, can we drink eggs and flour? Cheese is another variation for milk. What about grilled cheese and eggs? Or some variation on Mac and Cheese? You can also consider other dimensions like vegetables and spices. According to this plane, shakshuka is pure egg. Add spices to milk and you have chai. Add eggs to chai and you have cursed eggnog.
- darth_avocado 7mo agoEgg paratha is a common Indian dish. The dough can be made with flour and water, but is traditionally made with flour and milk. https://www.thedeliciouscrescent.com/omelette-stuffed-paratha/ https://www.thedeliciouscrescent.com/omelette-stuffed-parath...
- jnaina 7mo agoRoti Telur is basically Egg Paratha. Indian migrants brought Paratha to Malaysia and Singapore, and it underwent some "localization" to suit the local palate, including being drenched in palm oil as it is cooked on the flat griddle. Sure fire way to clog your arteries, if eaten on a daily basis.
- muzani 7mo agoThe palm oil makes the difference. Not exactly drenched, but just enough for the crispy Mallard reaction. It's a little simpler than the given recipe too. Just a regular paratha, crack an egg directly onto it, then cook on a griddle.
- bathtub365 7mo agoThere is prior art in the grilled cheese and eggs area: Denny’s Moons Over My Hammy.
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- purplezooey 7mo agoNo mention of Eggs Florentine?
- medi8r 7mo agoBreakfast is just generally milquetoast then?
- zem 7mo agofrench toast was dismissed far too lightly, it's exactly what goes into the gap. also savoury bread pudding.
- kasitmp 7mo agoSalzburger Nockerln seems to fit in that area. https://www.austria.info/en-gb/recipes/salzburger-nockerl/ https://www.austria.info/en-gb/recipes/salzburger-nockerl/
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- aggakake 7mo agoAggakake or oeuf au lait. 3 eggs, 2 cups milk, 1 cup flour. Makes a nice flan/pudding consistency. Eggy and delicious.
- moultano 7mo agoAggakake is on the chart!
- jacknews 7mo agoI usually have egg on toast with plenty of butter. The combination sits squarely in the dark region I think. I also get up early and it is often actually dark.
- csmantle 7mo agoThis reminded me of <https://xkcd.com/2893/ https://xkcd.com/2893/>.
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- p0w3n3d 7mo agoWhat about eggs eggs and milk breakfast? (Omelette with cheese). Plenty of protein and little sugar
- bbminner 7mo agoEastern European pan-fried cottage cheese fritters (mix and fry 150g cottage cheese, 5 tbsp flour, 1 egg, 3 tbsp sugar, salt) are great. That's all I have to say.
- tsukikage 7mo agoQuark works better than cottage cheese, if you don't have access to tvorog
- pbnjay 7mo agoI feel like excluding French toast is a serious faux pas here! Breakfast burritos are also at least as important as quiche (as in, neither are as tasty without addins - just like omelettes).
- aunty_helen 7mo agoAgreed, he’s added criteria for excluding French toast to fit his narrative. Gaslighting the world away from us French toast lovers. And don’t get me started on breakfast burritos, top 10 food that’s just ridiculous if you’re ordering it after 3pm?
- petesergeant 7mo agoI love the idea and the writing, but the execution seems off. Cake has a very well-defined spot and Weetabix doesn’t? More work needed
- ccppurcell 7mo agoSomeone else may have said this but strictly speaking breakfast is something like a cone in a vector space, unless you want to explain to me how to eat negative eggs.
- graypegg 7mo agoChicken maybe? It would represent an egg that did exist, but now doesn't.
- TeMPOraL 7mo agoAlso, in the other direction in space time, it's an egg that could have been, but now won't.
- 1659447091 7mo agoNow I want some chicken & waffles https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicken_and_waffles https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicken_and_waffles
- ccppurcell 7mo agoIn the breakfast space, I'm afraid, chicken is orthogonal to eggs.
- porphyra 7mo agoMaybe the axes are actually logarithmic so 0 is 1 egg, 1 is e eggs, -1 is 1/e eggs, etc.
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- d--b 7mo agomaybe Portugal’s Pastel de Nata falls in the dark zone? It’s a baked custard (so plenty of eggs) in a pie. not sure the proportions match.
- theoa 7mo agoPosts like this are why I read Hacker News. My Egg McMuffin will never look the same!
- xg15 7mo agoThis is amazing - and somehow channels both Douglas Adams and Randall Munroe at the same time...
- madcaptenor 7mo agoFrankly I'm surprised Randall Munroe hasn't done this. (I assume he hasn't because nobody has linked to it.)
- moultano 7mo agoThank you! Two of my favorites. I'm honored.
- pxtail 7mo agoThis whole thing is simply missing all milk based diary products like cheese, yogurt, white cheese, etc. When that is included then there is no gap or any mysterious quadrant.
- reedf1 7mo agoThe ones who walk away from omelettes.
- messe 7mo agoThat's a Pulitzer Prize for Poetry worthy reference.
- talldan 7mo agoA Japanese Souffle Pancake might be in the Dark Breakfast realm.
- haritha-j 7mo agoPlease allow me to introuce you to the sri lankan egg hopper (https://www.lavenderandlovage.com/2016/05/sri-lankan-egg-hoppers-breakfast.html https://www.lavenderandlovage.com/2016/05/sri-lankan-egg-hop...) which lives squarely in the aforementioned dark abyss.
- SideburnsOfDoom 7mo agoFYI, You may not have to travel to Sri Lanka to try one. You can get them e.g. in London UK: https://www.hopperslondon.com/ https://www.hopperslondon.com/
- Quarrel 7mo agosadly, they don't open for breakfast. I wonder if this is why I've missed them? I've lived within a few hundred metres of their Soho place for the best part of the last decade.
- haritha-j 7mo agoI've tried their Kings X restaurant, and while their food is delicious, and the decor is also really nice, its not particularly authentic, and I felt its a bit overpriced (tbf its an extremely central location). I don't live in London so can't suggest a better alternative, but I'm sure there are much more authentic restaurants.
- SideburnsOfDoom 7mo ago> the decor is also really nice, its not particularly authentic, and I felt its a bit overpriced That describes all of the restaurants in the Kings Cross newly built area. They are all different cuisines, but they all fit.
- Quarrel 7mo agoThese look great, squarely in my breakfast wheelhouse, definitely eggy, but with - well, I guess what I now know as a hint of darkness. Thanks for sharing. I've been meaning to go to Sri Lanka..
- opan 7mo agoGoing against the spirit of TFA here, but I believe you can eat anything at any time of day, and my favorite breakfast tends to be regular food. Chili, soup, pasta, baked potatoes. Something warm, filling, and usually involving salt. I do sometimes have something more traditional, like oatmeal, but it's not as satisfying. I also sometimes have oatmeal as my final meal of the day if I'm hungry but already a bit tired, as it's more calm than something like spicy chili.
- hilliardfarmer 7mo agoThat is not what we are talking about. Also, amazing article, haven't laughed that hard all day!
- Cthulhu_ 7mo agoI really wonder why breakfast is the way it is, because since it's the first meal of the day, you'd think a big breakfast (e.g. dinner) would make sense as you need the calories during the (work)day. But maybe breakfast is relatively light because a lot of people have some digestive issues or sensitive stomachs in the mornings.
- have_faith 7mo agoEating a lot of food is tiring and you have plenty of energy stored from the previous day(s) food.
- yen223 7mo agoIt depends on whether you're making the breakfast, or someone else is making your breakfast. Light breakfasts are popular if you have to make it yourself
- bregma 7mo agoCircadian rhythm. In many people their liver releases a bunch of glucose right before waking, something diabetics term the "dawn effect" and need to control for. This helps get the metabolism going first thing in the morning (at least, in non-diabetics) and delays the need for caloric intake until later in the day. This effect is easily witnessed if you check your blood glucose before bed and when you rise in the morning: for example earlier in the week mine was around 5.4 mmol/L (normal) at bed time and 8.6 mmol/L (high for fasting blood glucose) before breakfast the next day. A normal person will need caloric replenishment during the day, especially later in the day before (typically) an 8 to 10 hour fast during the night. So, small proteine-heavy breakfast, large balanced dinner in the evening with a smaller balanced mid-day meal in the middle.
- asdff 7mo agoEgg scramble fluffed with milk plus slice of toast might qualify
- moron4hire 7mo agoAs a certified expert breakfast cook, I bristle at the idea that scrambled eggs includes any ingredient other than eggs or seasoning. Also, while I know that omelette is technically the whipping of large amounts of air into what is otherwise scrambled eggs, it feels wrong to me that "omelette" is categorized as "pure egg singularity". Is an omelette worth the time and effort over scrambled eggs if it does not include bits of vegetables, meat, and/or cheese folded inside like a taco?
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- fedeb95 7mo agowhere's porridge? Breakfast has way more dimensions.
- VorpalWay 7mo agoI agree, that is an oversight. Porridge is an extremely common breakfast here in Sweden. There is a huge number of different variations of it as well. And then there is müsli, with and without yogurt / sour milk.
- Tepix 7mo agoI sympathize with the author, I've had similar thoughts about snacks. We need more non-sweet snacks. Ideally something that tastes good, is not too salty, is healthy and satisfies your cravings.
- Tade0 7mo agoThat's a hard one. In terms of beverages alcohol-free beer gained popularity in recent years because it's not sweet, has half the calories of juice/soda yet actually carries some taste. If I were to imagine something fitting this description, it would have to be something you have to chew for extended periods of time.
- miningape 7mo agoSouth African food actually has this in abundance, biltong is like beef jerky but better in almost every conceivable way - not to mention all the other variants of it for example dry stix, droevors, etc. Not to say we don't also have other sweet snacks, but compared to other places I've been nowhere quite has the same level of "savory" snacks
- roryirvine 7mo agoNuts (in the culinary sense) and cheese are good for that - a mini-cheeseboard with a couple of different bits of cheese (maybe 20-30g of each), a handful of cashews and walnuts, and maybe a dab of fig jam or membrillo on the side. Tasty, nutrient-dense, surprisingly filling. Great as a mid-afternoon snack, or add some fruit and a bit of bread or some oatcakes to make it into a decent lunch.
- DonHopkins 7mo agoApplying Tom Ngo's Embedded Constraint Graphics to Direct-Manipulation Breakfast Selection (Direct manipulation over simplicial complexes using barycentric interpolation: they're not just for breakfast any more.) The Breakfast Simplex is a space of recipes parameterized by {egg, milk, flour} ratios, normalized onto a simplex. Add butter or sugar and the dimension increases. Add prep method and you create adjacent regions. A breakfast buffet is a larger, possibly disconnected simplicial complex spanning multiple ingredient families. That structure is exactly what Tom Ngo formalized and patented in Embedded Constraint Graphics in 1996 at Interval Research Corporation. I wrote about it when the patent expired in 2016: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12572696 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12572696 US Patent #5933150: System for image manipulation and animation using embedded constraint graphics https://patents.google.com/patent/US5933150 https://patents.google.com/patent/US5933150 When I asked Tom about applying ECG to other applications after the patent expired, he wrote: >I am, of course, partial to the idea that gluing high-dimensional simplices at their edges and faces is an extremely general way to represent blending manifolds, in the same way that gluing polygons together has done us so much good in the 3D modeling space. I also think the >2 decades of progress since ECG have put us in a better position to do something really cool based on direct manipulation. Golan Levin, Malcolm Slaney, and Tom Ngo used the ECG graphical editor to build the vector face cartoons for Mouther, simply by dragging eyes, mouths, and features directly on the drawing: https://web.archive.org/web/20180717222910/http://www.flong.com/projects/mouther/ https://web.archive.org/web/20180717222910/http://www.flong.... ECG defines example states at vertices. Compatible examples span simplices. The full state space is a simplicial complex. Interior points are barycentric blends. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simplicial_complex https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simplicial_complex https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barycentric_coordinate_system https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barycentric_coordinate_system When you drag something in screen space, the system maps that motion into the n-dimensional interpolation space and solves for blend weights via the Moore–Penrose pseudoinverse of the Jacobian matrix, the same linear algebra used in inverse kinematics. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moore%E2%80%93Penrose_inverse https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moore%E2%80%93Penrose_inverse https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacobian_matrix_and_determinant https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacobian_matrix_and_determinan... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inverse_kinematics https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inverse_kinematics You don’t indirectly adjust abstract sliders. You directly manipulate concrete outcomes. The solver recovers coordinates. The same formulation applies to interpolating vector drawings, mesh blending, facial animation, pose spaces, and other example-based interfaces where states are meaningful and compatibility matters. The same geometric intuition appears in large language models. Tokens and concepts are represented as high-dimensional vectors, and model activations are computed through weighted linear combinations in embedding space. Interpolating between embeddings corresponds to moving through that vector space via weighted blends, just in many more dimensions. ECG makes the simplices explicit and topologically structured, while LLM representations are implicit and learned. In both cases, behavior emerges from interpolation in high-dimensional spaces. Apple’s ARKit already exposes facial expression as a set of named blend shape coefficients via ARFaceAnchor — values like mouthSmileLeft, jawOpen, and eyeBlinkRight driving a 3D face mesh in real time. Bring Mouther into 3D and you can drag the mouth corners upward to interpolate toward smiling targets, mapping that motion through the same barycentric machinery into blend weights instead of hard-coded sliders. This would make a great Blender plug-in for directly manipulating facial animation, to use with FaceIt! Faceit : Facial Expressions And Performance Capture https://superhivemarket.com/products/faceit https://superhivemarket.com/products/faceit Breakfast is a concrete instance. Pancake, crepe, and omelette define a simplex over ingredient ratios. Drag toward eggs and the egg weight increases. Drag toward milk and you move along that axis. Cross the egg-milk edge shared by the crepe simplex {flour, egg, milk} and the custard simplex {egg, milk, sugar}, and you move from thin batters into sweet custards without leaving the manifold. The Dark Breakfast region is simply an unoccupied part of a valid simplex -- suggesting adjacent, unexplored Dark Custard subspaces rather than forbidden states. Simplicial complexes are useful UI primitives. They provide local linear interpolation inside zones and explicit global topology across zones. They scale to higher dimensions, while maintaining a user friendly 2D direct manipulation user interface. They encode constraints structurally instead of procedurally. A pie menu can be viewed as a radial parameterization of a simplex. A direct-manipulation pie menu over ingredient space lets you drag in the direction of the crusts and fillings you want, with barycentric weights accumulating as you move. The Design and Implementation of Pie Menus (Dr. Dobb’s Journal, Dec. 1991, cover story, user interface issue.) https://donhopkins.medium.com/the-design-and-implementation-of-pie-menus-80db1e1b5293 https://donhopkins.medium.com/the-design-and-implementation-... An Empirical Comparison of Pie vs. Linear Menus (Jack Callahan, Don Hopkins, Mark Weiser and Ben Shneiderman. Presented at ACM CHI’88 Conference, Washington DC, 1988.) https://donhopkins.medium.com/an-empirical-comparison-of-pie-vs-linear-menus-466c6fdbba4b https://donhopkins.medium.com/an-empirical-comparison-of-pie...
- paganel 7mo agoNo jam and butter option when writing that long of a post on what to eat for breakfast is criminal.
- pseingatl 7mo agoColombia's bandeja paisa.
- dghf 7mo agoNo egg banjo*? That sounds like it would sit close to, if not in, the abyss. * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egg_sandwich#Fried_egg_sandwich* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egg_sandwich#Fried_egg_sandwic...
- vanderZwan 7mo agoIs the "Dutch Baby" in the pancake group some alternative name for "flensjes" that I'm not familiar with? It's a thin dessert variation of Dutch pancakes that has relatively high egg and milk ratios compared to flour.
- wiredfool 7mo agoDutch Baby or German Pancake is probably right in that abyss. Very eggy, with some flour/milk. It's essentially a souffle, puffs up to like 6" high in the oven. Tasty with maple syrup, powdered sugar/lemon, or just butter. 6 Eggs, 1 C flour, 1C milk. https://www.allrecipes.com/recipe/36900/german-pancakes-ii/ https://www.allrecipes.com/recipe/36900/german-pancakes-ii/
- SideburnsOfDoom 7mo agoNo (1). I believe that it's "Dutch" in the same sense as "Pennsylvania Dutch" (2) - i.e. an American version of "Deutsch", actually German. 1) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_baby_pancake https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_baby_pancake 2) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pennsylvania_Dutch https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pennsylvania_Dutch
- meatmanek 7mo agoobligatory CGP Grey https://youtu.be/eE_IUPInEuc?t=74 https://youtu.be/eE_IUPInEuc?t=74 > Confusion continues because: People who live in the Hollands are called Hollanders, but all citizens of the Netherlands are called Dutch as is their language. > But in Dutch they say: "Nederlands sprekende Nederlanders in Nederland" which sounds like they'd rather we call them Netherlanders speaking Netherlandish. > Meanwhile, next door in Germany, they're "Deutsche sprechen Deutsch in Deutschland". Which sounds like they'd rather be called Dutch.
- vanderZwan 7mo agoThan you for explaining. And I have to say, the other comment also makes me skeptical of the claim that it doesn't go into the abyss since it seems to have at least twice as many eggs as a regular pancake would have
- madduci 7mo agoIt misses a lot of other breakfast options: - croissants - muesli/porridge/oatmeal - cookies - toasts - bread & butter (nutella too)
- bregma 7mo agoThings made of flour? I think they were explicitly covered. Perhaps "Flour" should have been more generally "Grain-based" to cover oatmeal and rye bread. Maybe add potatoes for a "starches" category. What it's missing is fish, fruit, preserved meats (bacon, ham, sausage, black pudding?). It's very culturally biased to typical North American breakfast choices.
- flerovium114 7mo agopizza
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- impure 7mo agoIt has been speculated that over half of the breakfast in the universe is dark breakfast.
- Oarch 7mo agoBy mass, sure - but have you considered delectability?
- mekdoonggi 7mo agoEven though it's not delectable by current methods, we can observe dark breakfasts effects on the movement of dietary bodies.
- tclancy 7mo agoCan be confirmed by the fact anytime I eat a diner breakfast I feel more full than can be justified by the weight of the food alone.
- BigTTYGothGF 7mo agoThere's a lot more dark breakfast in the winter time.
- riskable 7mo agoOn the darkest day of the year, the dark breakfast can be balanced on its edge.
- GuB-42 7mo agoOthers say we underestimated the importance of a small quantity of eggs and proposed a modified theory that doesn't need dark breakfast.
- qingcharles 7mo agoYes, Earth could be in a Dark Breakfast Local Minimum. Potentially there are worlds out there where all breakfasts are Dark and their scientists cannot even comprehend the idea of an Egg Singularity.
- tbyehl 7mo ago"IHOP Transgression" cracked me up. There's a restaurant in my town that does the same thing and I hate them for that reason. And like IHOP, what they call an omelette is actually a frittata.
- DoneWithAllThat 7mo agoWhile a delightfully funny article it also touches on something I’ve thought about many times before: just how uniform basically 99% of all (American) restaurant breakfast menus are. It’s really quite extraordinary in some ways how these menus are nearly entirely interchangeable from on to another. They might have very small tweaks and of course the ingredient specifics aren’t exact (specific butter brands, slight proportion differences)but by and large you could predict with almost perfect accuracy every single item that a typical breakfast menu in the US might have. And I feel like that’s really a missed opportunity? Like even recognizing that of all meals breakfast is the most “comforting” and the one most likely for customers to want familiar, at the same time there are so many unexplored variants using the same ingredients (as this article shows!) that almost no restaurants will ever experiment with or offer. Lunch and dinner menus have massive variation in comparison!
- mynegation 7mo agoSo basically omelette with matzo
- igrekel 7mo agoA soufflé would fit some of the void. It has some flour in the bechamel.. whipped egg whites etc.
- crazygringo 7mo ago> IHOP omelettes include pancake batter. Wait what? I've never heard of such a thing. Does that make them better in any way? Or strictly worse, but cheaper? Edit: looked it up and apparently they still use 3 eggs but the batter makes it super fluffy (like 2x) so the omelette looks enormous.
- PcChip 7mo agoIt’s a landmine for low carb gluten free people
- Oarch 7mo agoIt would be remiss not to also mention The Cube Rule https://cuberule.com/ https://cuberule.com/
- moffers 7mo agoSurprised not to see “breakfast pasta” aka Carbonara. Wheat in the noodles, egg and cheese sauce.
- xgkickt 7mo agoOr pasta as a cereal, in a bowl with milk.
- Beestie 7mo agoI am humbled by the genius of this article.
- brodouevencode 7mo agoYou can tell a non-US-southerner wrote this because there's not a biscuit to be had here. WHERE ARE THE BISCUITS???
- d-us-vb 7mo agoMy breakfast recipe this morning, thanks to this article: - 1/4 c. milk - 1/2 c. flour - 4 eggs - 1/3 c. sugar - some salt - cinnamon - cloves - nutmeg - poppyseeds Did the first two cakes without baking powder, turned into something between a crepe and a tortilla. Did the last two cakes with baking powder and they were just a very squishy pancake.
- deeg 7mo agoI'm sorry, but I can't take seriously any topic in breakfast that leaves out the Taj Mahal of breakfast: stuffed French toast. I know there is reasoning for it but its inexcusable. Its like leaving Miracle Max out of a discussion of best physicians because he's fictional. There's also no mention of the fourth leg of the breakfast triad: maple syrup.
- mekdoonggi 7mo agoEggs benedict calls from the abyss, humanities' metabolic Voyager 1, speeding into the unknown.
- lambda 7mo agoAre we counting butter as milk? Because hollandaise sauce is an emulsion of egg yolk, butter, and lemon juice, so no milk directly unless we count butter.
- SAI_Peregrinus 7mo agoThe Irish full breakfast (fry up) includes soda bread, often fresh baked. That with the eggs likely puts it in the "Dark Breakfast" sector. Other sorts of full breakfast may also end up there, there's no true fixed set of ingredients in a full breakfast so any egg-heavy variety can end up in the "dark" sector.
- HoldOnAMinute 7mo agoThis is the greatest text I have read in the last 10 years, it kept getting better as it went along.
- mrbluecoat 7mo agoIt's what they ate on the Red October
- anal_reactor 7mo agoI think it would make sense to include pudding - it's basically milk with a bit of flour. It's important to include because it shows that there are foods beyond Pancake Local Group that aren't just liquid milk. One important property of pudding is that unlike pancakes, the space of pudding isn't "chaotic and fractal" because whether you add just enough flour to make it somewhat sticky or so much that you can cut it with a knife, it's still pudding. This means that if we take flour-heavy pudding and somehow add shitload of eggs, we should be able to venture into the Dark Breakfast area. I have a pudding recipe that calls for egg yolks, but I feel like this isn't a good lead. Still it proves further how flexible "pudding" is. Going back to pancakes, there's one funny variation. "Naleśniki" with cottage cheese and cream (or yoghurt). Cottage cheese and cream are basically milk with extra steps, which means that the entire dish becomes mainly milk. This means that the Pancake Local Group actually stretches much closer to the "milk" vertex than your diagram suggests. If I were to prepare something that passes as food and sits in the Dark Breakfast Abyss, I'd try scrambled eggs on the thinnest bread I could reasonably make. Something like "scrambled eggs taco".
- fortranfiend 7mo agoCold pizza dead center.
- dfxm12 7mo agoCold pizza + eggs, but then we're just in "egg & cheese sandwich" territory which is one obvious "dark breakfast".
- dfxm12 7mo agoAn omelet wrapped in a paratha with a caffe latte to drink looks like the obvious answer... You can also play with the crust to filling ratio of a quiche... How about doughnut with just the right amount of custard filling? Or perhaps a brioche with the right amount of French vanilla ice cream/gelato? A classic egg and cheese sandwich in your desired proportions?
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- awesomeusername 7mo agoSo that blurry eye vision I get in the morning could be from gravitational lensing from dark breakfast?
- Humico 7mo ago[dead]