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The creator of the website is the CEO of a battery-powered induction cooktop company. (https://x.com/sdamico https://x.com/sdamico) He clearly has an agenda ag

• richwater 7mo ago
  > has an agenda Everyone has an agenda. Is anything on this site false? Is it incorrect information?
  • thephyber 7mo ago
    Lies can be either by commission or omission.
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  • teaearlgraycold 7mo ago
    I don't think it makes a good case for itself. No automotive paint shops sounds kind of ridiculous. I don't know anything about that industry but there has to be a way to paint cars in a safe way, right?? But lumping that in with semiconductor fabs, which are extremely toxic, makes me wonder how many of these banned industries I don't want in my state. I think if we want to build them in the US maybe don't build them in the most agriculturally productive and highest population state. Or first figure out how to do it without turning the US into China with its "cancer villages" from poisoned river water. I'm not defending the dysfunctional CA bureaucracy, but the site should probably focus on specific cases of government-produced insanity than a general complaint that certain industries are banned from operation.
    • ixtli 7mo ago
      It actually makes me wanna move to CA.
    • MikeTheGreat 7mo ago
      > No automotive paint shops Wait, hold on - I watched all the seasons of "Rust To Riches" on Netflix, about a small shop that flips cars. They routinely painted cars. They'd paint in this sealed-up room/garage thingee, the guy would wear and industrial-grade mask, and the camera would slide past as he expertly painted the car. The 30 second montages looked awesome! That show took place in Temecula, California. So there's no way that site is accurate. And, more to the point, if they want to show that they are accurate they should be linking to the rules & regulations that actually prohibit these things instead of just making a claim & calling it a day.
      • _2d30 7mo ago
        The website is extremely clear about this being about _new_ automotive paint shops, so nothing you said here refutes the website.
        • avs733 7mo ago
          He doesn’t need to refute it he just needs to offer an alternate claim. The site provides no citations, no evidence, so there’s no need to defend the count argument or honestly even make it. The sit isn’t just false, it is flat out disrespectful to all the workers, engineers, founders, and everyone else involved in the industries he says don’t exist that actually do exist. The site is basically “I think this is hard so no one else could possibly do it”.
      • cucumber3732842 7mo ago
        They're likely falling under some "we aren't selling car painting as a service or main part of our business, we're painting our own cars as a small ancillary part of our real business" exemption.
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  • burkaman 7mo ago
    Really difficult to say because it doesn't make many concrete claims. It doesn't mention any regulations or say what chemicals or processes are actually banned. These are not easy things to look up. I can tell you that at least the semiconductor fabrication stuff is false, there are many fabs in California and here's a new one as of a few days ago: https://www.mercurynews.com/2026/02/19/san-jose-tech-nokia-infinera-chip-jobs-work-economy-build-property-ai/ https://www.mercurynews.com/2026/02/19/san-jose-tech-nokia-i.... I realize it isn't completed yet but I don't think anyone is buying sites for something that's impossible to build. Here's another one: https://www.bosch-semiconductors.com/roseville/ https://www.bosch-semiconductors.com/roseville/
    • _2d30 7mo ago
      I can tell you that your two articles that intended to refute the semiconductor fabrication stuff fail to do so. Both sites were existing facilities and would therefore fall under the granfathered in point in the site.
      • burkaman 7mo ago
        That's true they are not new buildings. Here's one that is: https://www.appliedmaterials.com/us/en/semiconductor/epic-platform/epic-centers/epic-center-silicon-valley.html https://www.appliedmaterials.com/us/en/semiconductor/epic-pl... The Infinera one is described as a "new fab" though (https://www.nist.gov/chips/infinera-california-san-jose https://www.nist.gov/chips/infinera-california-san-jose) and the Bosch one is adding a new type of fabrication to an existing site. If you can do all that without getting new permits then that makes California sound like a pretty lenient place to do business. I'm assuming they did have to get new permits though.
        • _2d30 7mo ago
          > Here's one that is: https://www.appliedmaterials.com/us/en/semiconductor/epic-pl https://www.appliedmaterials.com/us/en/semiconductor/epic-pl... This might be a refutation but it's not super clear. It's definitely not a commercial semiconductor fab but it might do all of or some subset of what a commercial fab does at R&D scale. Hard to know for sure how this jives with the claim in the main website. > If you can do all that without getting new permits then that makes California sound like a pretty lenient place to do business. Being able to retool under original zoning/permitting is specifically lenient? That's extremely basic. If you're a co-Californian with me, though, it does help to understand that many people think that anyone doing anything without a permit is "lenient". > I'm assuming they did have to get new permits though. Well, that makes it really easy to be "right". I should try this more.
  • no-dr-onboard 7mo ago
    Maybe reworded as “He has skin in the game” > so obviously his point can’t be true > so obviously he’s biased and we can’t do the mental work of sifting > so obviously I can dismiss this as teleologically false. Please don’t be so lazy you guys. There is something to be gained here.
    • autoexec 7mo ago
      > so obviously he’s biased and we can’t do the mental work of sifting This guy, with an obvious bias, created a website that misrepresents the situation in California (by implying things are banned or "nearly impossible" when in actuality they just take time/effort), while also failing to show the specific regulations or requirements for any of it. Without supplying that kind of information this website is little better than "It's banned. trust me bro". It's not our responsibility to try to dig up evidence to support or verify this guys claims just because he can't be bothered to do it. His motivations, his framing of the problem, and his failure to back up his own statements makes the site pretty damn easy to dismiss and I don't even doubt that there might be instances where bad regulation exists, especially regulation that protects the profits of established players in certain industries by keeping out competition. I'm entirely sympathetic to the idea that it might be happening, but if there is something to be gained you aren't going to find it on this guys website. Serious coverage on this topic would include actionable information we can use to identify and solve specific problems. This is just anti-regulation propaganda.
      • Brian_K_White 7mo ago
        The lack of citations makes it not just easy to dismiss but an obligation to dismiss. Your downvotes are invalid.
      • no-dr-onboard 7mo ago
        Your argument makes sense to me and changed my mind. Thank you.
    • vampirical 7mo ago
      Why do you think there's something to be gained here? There are a lot of cheap and easy checks this content fails that it represents a well formed argument based on reality.
  • zdp7 7mo ago
    I don't know. He didn't provide anything to backup his claims. Without data that site is worthless.
  • SecretDreams 7mo ago
    Yes. They lump in sheet metal stamping with giga casting. They are completely different techs with different energy footprints. Banning aluminum casting does not implicitly ban stamping.
  • matthewmacleod 7mo ago
    It isn't even information – it's noise. I'm actually quite surprised by the number of people who have fallen for this. There aren't even any concrete claims here – just the vague assertion that some things are "impossible".
  • jwagenet 7mo ago
    > Aluminum Anodizing & CNC Machining There are a ton of CNC machining (AL and otherwise) and anodizing shops in the Bay Area.
• encoderer 7mo ago
  I’m happy this is coming from a real person with skin in the game and not just a veiled PAC with murky intentions.
• rbliss 7mo ago
  I've been following Sam for awhile, his business model makes heavy use of outsourcing production of components to skilled partners. It's no sweat off him if he makes the Impulse stove in California or not. His point is that it's impossible to manufacture much of anything in California if you aren't grandfathered in. Seems pretty important for economic and security issues. The electric induction cooktop he and his team has made is pretty cool! I'd check it out.
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  • mjamil 7mo ago
    I'm not sure I agree. Unless you believe there needs to be a plan for CA to secede in the future and thus it needs to be self-sufficient, why does manufacturing need to be in CA? As you stated, the Impulse stove makes heavy use of outsourced manufacturing to other parties; as long as those parties are within the US (which I'm not claiming they are, but there are states like TX that are far less concerned about environmental impact than CA is and thus could pick up any such slack), why is there a security concern here? As for the economic concern, it seems like this is backwards: I'd argue it's the HCOL that drives industry with the need for low-wage labor away to non-CA locations. There's nothing stopping non-polluting corporations from working and hiring large numbers of people in CA.
    • mjamil 7mo ago
      And, yes, it's a really neat stove... for wealthy people. At an installed cost of ~$8k (more if you're having to replace a standalone oven/cooktop since you need the stand for it), it's competing with lower-end Viking gas ranges that include an oven, and those have an extensive service network that Impulse doesn't (yet) have.
      • aldonius 7mo ago
        I mean, that's pretty normal right. The product starts out as a bit niche and expensive, and then as it scales in manufactured volume, variants & competitors become available at lower price points.
• sqnfxn 7mo ago
  This is a non-argument, and it does not even in the slightest counter anything claimed on the site.
  • kgwxd 7mo ago
    It proves it's pointlessness. CA doesn't want manufacturing like that in their state. Period. They're saying you are not welcome to destroy our environment, go to Texas, they love that shit. States Rights, right?
    • ineedaj0b 7mo ago
      You don’t have to destroy the state to produce these things. With aligned talent you can make the process neutral. I’m assuming lots of ‘eco conscious’ engineers would love to implement better practices and get paid for it.
      • soco 7mo ago
        "you can" is a very different thing from "you do". To do you need to want, to plan, and to execute. To can is just that, something in the clouds. So this is not contradicting the argument it's trying to contradict.
      • SecretDreams 7mo ago
        > With aligned talent you can make the process neutral. I’m assuming lots of ‘eco conscious’ engineers would love to implement better practices and get paid for it. I think to be eco neutral, you would be cost prohibitive. Which would be an issue in car manufacturing and phone manufacturing. Also, the website lumps adjacent tech together and says they're all banned, but they are not. Lumping sheet metal stamping in with gigs casting is plain wrong, and you could make the argument that that's an agenda driven aspect of this website. They're casting a wider net than exists. Point stands, though. California's policy is "go fuck up some other states environment". This policy might not work forever, but that's their stance.
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• tietjens 7mo ago
  That’s good to know, but it’s still interesting information.
• brockers 7mo ago
  ad hominem? Please explain what makes the regulatory burdens onerous instead of impossible.
• Zigurd 7mo ago
  Oh the smell of freshly groomed Astroturf. They should call it neighbors for a more profitably toxic environment or something like that.
• DoneWithAllThat 7mo ago
  Feel free to point out any inaccuracies.
  • avs733 7mo ago
    Feel free to provide sources for the claims
• jeffbee 7mo ago
  Man, this guy has his head all the way up his anus. A guy who thinks that whether or not the math classes in San Francisco high schools are literally titled "algebra" is an important question, who doesn't realize that Noah Smith is a raging moron, and who considers Elon Musk to be the greatest industrialist in history, has been listening to a tad too much Garry Tan. No wonder he can't figure out how to market appliances. He's just disconnected from the real world.