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I can’t imagine how any country would think the US is trustworthy enough to be the place where everyone stores their data. If companies cannot comply with data

I can’t imagine how any country would think the US is trustworthy enough to be the place where everyone stores their data. If companies cannot comply with data sovereignty laws then they shouldn’t exist at all. Personally, even as a US citizen, I’m hoping tech companies in Europe and Asia become independent enough to no longer be beholden to US interests. It’s clear that the era where any one country has global hegemony should end.

2OEH8eoCRo0 8mo ago
I'm a US citizen and I hope more of the world decouples because I think a lot of our issues are due to a lack of competition.
- yndoendo 8mo ago
  Even as a US citizen ... I have started to decouple from US business that hold my data.
  - toomuchtodo 8mo ago
    Same. I don't trust the US as much as the rest of the world does not trust them. They want control with little to offer for it. My data and compute is safer offshore at this time.
    - tartoran 8mo ago
      Control is one part of it. The other concerning part is leaks and sharing it with third parties.
      - nxobject 8mo ago
        The two are linked, sadly – data brokers are a good way to conduct mass profiling.
  - thegreatpeter 8mo ago
    where did you move your blog to? hetzner?
- rustyhancock 8mo ago
  But we have our own issues outside of the US. They reality is the average person is between a rock and a hard place.
  - joe_mamba 8mo ago
    This. When I look at why my life sucks and is on hard difficulty mode, it's not because I use US tech instead of EU tech. Most people and companies have bigger economic challenges right now trying to keep the lights on, than data sovereignty and domestic alternatives. My company just had a 3rd round of layoffs and its wasn't due to lack of EU SW.
    - microtonal 8mo ago
      The lack of data sovereignty does have large geopolitical consequences though. Without data sovereignty of EU government services and businesses, the US can blackmail EU continuously or even worse, in the case of e.g. a conflict over Greenland, cause chaos by turning off access to US tech. So for the EU, tech sovereignty is a matter of life and death. Also, a lot of crap in Western countries is caused by tech broligarchs enriching themselves in favor of workers en destroying democracy for tech feudalism. So if we can bring down their sales Tesla-style, I'm all in for it.
      - joe_mamba 8mo ago
        >Also, a lot of crap in Western countries is caused by tech broligarchs enriching themselves in favor of workers en destroying democracy for tech feudalism. Not true. The reason my Col is off the charts, salary low and housing unaffordable is due to EU central bank printing too much money leaving us holding the bags, government's zoning laws making housing expensive and them importing millions of immigrants despite record unemployment numbers to put downward pressure on wages and upward pressure on housing. None of this is done by US tech bros, it's all done by EU rulers and elites. US tech bros is an orthogonal issue that distracts from the core issues.
        8mo ago
- TitaRusell 8mo ago
  The competition is China and the US is becoming so hysterical about it that I genuinely hope that the PLA is prepared for a nuclear first strike.
  - kyboren 8mo ago
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- PlatoIsADisease 8mo ago
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- nozzlegear 8mo ago
  > I think a lot of our issues are due to a lack of competition. I think a lot of our issues are due to a lack of cooperation.
alephnerd 8mo ago
> I’m hoping tech companies in Europe and Asia become independent enough to no longer be beholden to US interests What tech companies? At the end of the day, it's all about capital and IP. American domiciled VCs and companies can outinvest just about any other competitor, and much of the core IP for vast swathes of critical next-gen technologies (high NA EUV, Foundation Models, Quantum Computing) is in the US, but American companies are fine transferring technology abroad (often with American government backing [3][4]) and moving jobs abroad. China has a similar ecosystem but prefers to invest domestically and for IP to remain within China. Meanwhile Japan, Taiwan, and Korea continue to back the US no matter what due to tensions with China and North Korea along with existing fixed asset investments in the US. When companies like Amazon, Alphabet, Microsoft, and others are able to invest tens of billions of dollars in India [0], Poland [1], Israel [2], Portugal [5], Ireland [6], and others it makes them more open to collaborate with American capital and IP instead of dealing with alternatives who cannot deploy similar amounts of capital and transfer IP. [0] - https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-12-11/india-draws-52-billion-from-amazon-microsoft-in-tech-expansion https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-12-11/india-dra... [1] - https://www.gov.pl/web/primeminister/google-invests-billions-in-polands-digital-future https://www.gov.pl/web/primeminister/google-invests-billions... [2] - https://www.calcalistech.com/ctechnews/article/sjcwdmxxzg https://www.calcalistech.com/ctechnews/article/sjcwdmxxzg [3] - https://www.state.gov/pax-silica https://www.state.gov/pax-silica [4] - https://www.state.gov/releases/office-of-the-spokesperson/2026/02/united-states-and-india-sign-pax-silica-declaration https://www.state.gov/releases/office-of-the-spokesperson/20... [5] - https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-11-11/microsoft-plans-to-invest-10-billion-in-portugal-ai-data-hub https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-11-11/microsoft... [6] - https://www.irishtimes.com/business/2025/11/27/microsoft-has-contributed-49bn-to-irish-economy-over-past-year-report-finds/ https://www.irishtimes.com/business/2025/11/27/microsoft-has...
- llm_nerd 8mo ago
  >American domiciled VCs and companies can outinvest just about any other competitor, Because every investor in the world put their money in the US. They knew the best companies and people would centralize around that hub. When the US is a rogue, isolated idiocracy -- already true, but the world takes time to adapt to this new reality -- how much of that money do you think will flow to the US?
roger110 8mo ago
I don't care if they go sovereign, but the GDPR crap is annoying. Would be funny if the US just forced them to get rid of it.
- ambicapter 8mo ago
  You don't have to interact with GDPR if you don't use EU companies?
  - piva00 8mo ago
    Not even that, if they aren't living in the EU the GDPR doesn't affect their lives in any way.
    - KeplerBoy 8mo ago
      unless your customers are EU citizens.
      - oblio 8mo ago
        Can't have the cake (EU money) and eat it (ignore EU laws), too.
    - SpicyLemonZest 8mo ago
      If the EU announced that non-EU entities aren't subject to GDPR, I think that would substantially defuse and perhaps entirely eliminate the conflict. Their current guidance is precisely the opposite (https://gdpr.eu/what-is-gdpr/ https://gdpr.eu/what-is-gdpr/): "the GDPR applies to you even if you’re not in the EU". They even have a details page to make sure it's 100% clear (https://gdpr.eu/companies-outside-of-europe/ https://gdpr.eu/companies-outside-of-europe/): if you're a Colorado company with more than 250 employees, selling mainly to other Colorado businesses, the GDPR applies to you in full and the EU claims the authority to levy fines against you for violations.
      - microtonal 8mo ago
DrScientist 8mo ago
Depends how much compromising information they already have access to on the politicians concerned :-) Please don't stop us having access to your information, else we will destroy you with the information we already hold :-)
game_the0ry 8mo ago
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- Vasbarlog 8mo ago
  > Europe...where they throw people in jail for social media posts? What do you think when they find out peoples' private convos? When did this happen?
  - kyboren 8mo ago
    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cp3wkzgpjxvo https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cp3wkzgpjxvo https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/uk-court-jails-man-racist-tweets-seen-only-33-times-sparking-free-speech-debate-1763864 https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/uk-court-jails-man-racist-tweets-s... https://www.dw.com/en/germany-greens-habeck-presses-charges-over-online-insult/a-70793557 https://www.dw.com/en/germany-greens-habeck-presses-charges-... https://reclaimthenet.org/germany-online-speech-raids-political-insults-law-enforcement https://reclaimthenet.org/germany-online-speech-raids-politi... I'm sure you can find more; those were just the lowest hanging fruit in 2 minutes of searching.
    - soco 8mo ago
      So you folks think just because it's internet we should be able to insult and call for racial action? Maybe you think in real life that should be acceptable too?
      - kyboren 8mo ago
        I support free speech through any media, including all noncommercial speech not including: - defamation (with extra lenience for speech about public figures) - evidence of child sex abuse - incitement to imminent lawless action likely to cause disorder Even those few exceptions are dangerous to liberty. Certainly anything else is too easily twisted into political censorship. For example, under the guise of fighting "hate speech", the EU has already used the DSA to censor disfavored political speech like, "I think that LGBTI ideology, gender ideology, transgender ideology are a big threat to Slovakia, just like corruption"[0]. And yes, people obviously have the right to insult their politicians. It's honestly perplexing to encounter someone defending an early morning house raid because the guy called a politician a "professional moron". Are you actually Robert Habeck?? [0]: https://judiciary.house.gov/sites/evo-subsites/republicans-judiciary.house.gov/files/2026-02/THE-FOREIGN-CENSORSHIP-THREAT-PART-II-2-3-26.pdf https://judiciary.house.gov/sites/evo-subsites/republicans-j... (p. 19)
Bender 8mo ago
I do not trust anyone with my data. This is just my preference but every year I move further and further away from using the internet for anything other than making comments on this site and watching a few vloggers. In a few years I will not have more than 3 to 5 logins on anything and those will be value add and must be within driving distance. All critical services I use will require walking into a building in person. If I could find a reputable construction company to build my underground home I would be a true troglodyte.
- cyanydeez 8mo ago
  Usually, when you want to have people not know who built what, you use an LLC. THEN the LLC hires the subcontractors in stages without them knowing about each other. Youd take about 5 years, but itd be about as secure as you could be if you lost trust in soceity.
  - deleted 8mo ago
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  - 8cvor6j844qw_d6 8mo ago
    It’s a trope in survivalist fiction. The contractors hired to build a bunker are often the first to attempt a breach once a crisis hits.
    - cyanydeez 8mo ago
      Yes, everyone who works on the bunker will know about it; and all these billionaires are trying to build their survivalist camps but dont actually consider any of the easily/practically broken parts of society they implicitly rely on. Realistically, society we know it won't survive if it dwindles to beneath a couple of millions.
      - mghackerlady 8mo ago
        As we know it, yes, but society in general will last until there's less than 2 people per kilometer or so
strnisa 8mo ago
It seems to me that major US cloud companies are using politics to try to get more value from non-US data, which I believe will push the EU (and others) to accelerate the move to their own alternatives. This is another move that seems to sacrifice longer-term trust (and profits) to boost near-term profits.
gtowey 8mo ago
Such a missed opportunity. We could have been to data privacy and protection what Switzerland is to Banking. But no, our cooperate oligarch overlords just can't keep their hands out of the piggy bank.
- blitzar 8mo ago
  The swiss have a long tradition of discretion. America has a long tradition of selling anything to the highest bidder. There was never any chance they were going to change.
- nxm 8mo ago
  Swiss? Where money laundering is basically a given?
  - inigyou 8mo ago
    The flip side of privacy is privacy, yes. I don't think it's still the money laundering haven, though. The US forced them into some pretty strict KYC laws to avoid being globally debanked.
PlatoIsADisease 8mo ago
>It’s clear that the era where any one country has global hegemony should end. Unipolar worlds are safer than Bipolar. Multipolar is extremely dangerous. I imagine you didn't know that more people will be killed if the US doesn't have hegemony.
- ozmodiar 8mo ago
  Don't worry, China is coming out pretty far ahead so I'm sure we'll still be in a unipolar world when this is all over, and you can sleep safe at night. I imagine you didn't know.
  - sekai 8mo ago
    > Don't worry, China is coming out pretty far ahead so I'm sure we'll still be in a unipolar world when this is all over, and you can sleep safe at night. I imagine you didn't know. With their current demographics? Doubt it.
  - WarmWash 8mo ago
    You better be Han Chinese or you're cooked. At least the US has the benefit of not really having a core ethnic class. (To stem off the haters, the US has a "massive problem with racism" exactly because we have such a mixed society. Most monoracial places are obscenely and shamelessly racist, but never has a chance to arise)
    - victorbjorklund 8mo ago
      Tell that to Steven Miller and Trump.
  - bilbo0s 8mo ago
    I don't know man? The Chinese are clearly doing some "rebalancing" lately. Some would even say that "rebalancing" is not a strong enough word. "De-linking" is a word a lot of those people are more comfortable with using to describe what we're seeing. You can't really have a unipolar power if that power simply "takes all their marbles and goes home" so to speak. I think we need to really do some strategic planning around scenarios where China or Europe simply withdraws from the rest of the world. Or decides they only need subsaharan Africa for instance. Or, the nightmare scenario; where China, Europe, and subsaharan Africa actually figure out that together they don't really need anything from the rest of us.
WhyNotHugo 8mo ago
I can’t imagine such a thing either, but here in Europe plenty of organisations continue planning on increasing their reliance and lock-in on American tech corps.
- zppln 8mo ago
  Which is perfectly fine (albeit perhaps stupid, I agree) for private enterprise. It's the public ones that need to shift first and foremost.
  - WhyNotHugo 8mo ago
    It's public sector organisations and entities that are adopting more lock-in. We get the occasional news showing the opposite in NH, but there's also a big counter-movement.
tick_tock_tick 8mo ago
I mean the other options are China and Europe but honestly it's probably way safer as a EU/European citizen to have your data in the USA vs Europe. The last thing I want is Europe in control of any of my data they just fundamentally don't think privacy from the government should exist. Pair that with the frankly appalling lack of free speech I wouldn't want to risk it.
- mongol 8mo ago
  You are free to put your data whereever you want. But from a national security perspective, it is critical that Europe can run vital, public services on software and infrastructure under their own control
- krior 8mo ago
  Safer to have my data in the country that tries to manufacture a casus belli against my country than in my country? Safer to have my data in a country where I have no influence on what the legislature has to say on the handling of my data? Safer to have my data in a country with almost no privacy protection laws? Are we living in the same europe?

2OEH8eoCRo0 8mo ago

I'm a US citizen and I hope more of the world decouples because I think a lot of our issues are due to a lack of competition.

yndoendo 8mo ago
Even as a US citizen ... I have started to decouple from US business that hold my data.
- toomuchtodo 8mo ago
  Same. I don't trust the US as much as the rest of the world does not trust them. They want control with little to offer for it. My data and compute is safer offshore at this time.
  - tartoran 8mo ago
    Control is one part of it. The other concerning part is leaks and sharing it with third parties.
    - nxobject 8mo ago
      The two are linked, sadly – data brokers are a good way to conduct mass profiling.
- thegreatpeter 8mo ago
  where did you move your blog to? hetzner?
rustyhancock 8mo ago
But we have our own issues outside of the US. They reality is the average person is between a rock and a hard place.
- joe_mamba 8mo ago
  This. When I look at why my life sucks and is on hard difficulty mode, it's not because I use US tech instead of EU tech. Most people and companies have bigger economic challenges right now trying to keep the lights on, than data sovereignty and domestic alternatives. My company just had a 3rd round of layoffs and its wasn't due to lack of EU SW.
  - microtonal 8mo ago
    The lack of data sovereignty does have large geopolitical consequences though. Without data sovereignty of EU government services and businesses, the US can blackmail EU continuously or even worse, in the case of e.g. a conflict over Greenland, cause chaos by turning off access to US tech. So for the EU, tech sovereignty is a matter of life and death. Also, a lot of crap in Western countries is caused by tech broligarchs enriching themselves in favor of workers en destroying democracy for tech feudalism. So if we can bring down their sales Tesla-style, I'm all in for it.
    - joe_mamba 8mo ago
      >Also, a lot of crap in Western countries is caused by tech broligarchs enriching themselves in favor of workers en destroying democracy for tech feudalism. Not true. The reason my Col is off the charts, salary low and housing unaffordable is due to EU central bank printing too much money leaving us holding the bags, government's zoning laws making housing expensive and them importing millions of immigrants despite record unemployment numbers to put downward pressure on wages and upward pressure on housing. None of this is done by US tech bros, it's all done by EU rulers and elites. US tech bros is an orthogonal issue that distracts from the core issues.
      - 8mo ago
TitaRusell 8mo ago
The competition is China and the US is becoming so hysterical about it that I genuinely hope that the PLA is prepared for a nuclear first strike.
- kyboren 8mo ago
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PlatoIsADisease 8mo ago
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nozzlegear 8mo ago
> I think a lot of our issues are due to a lack of competition. I think a lot of our issues are due to a lack of cooperation.

alephnerd 8mo ago

> I’m hoping tech companies in Europe and Asia become independent enough to no longer be beholden to US interests What tech companies? At the end of the day, it's all about capital and IP. American domiciled VCs and companies can outinvest just about any other competitor, and much of the core IP for vast swathes of critical next-gen technologies (high NA EUV, Foundation Models, Quantum Computing) is in the US, but American companies are fine transferring technology abroad (often with American government backing [3][4]) and moving jobs abroad. China has a similar ecosystem but prefers to invest domestically and for IP to remain within China. Meanwhile Japan, Taiwan, and Korea continue to back the US no matter what due to tensions with China and North Korea along with existing fixed asset investments in the US. When companies like Amazon, Alphabet, Microsoft, and others are able to invest tens of billions of dollars in India [0], Poland [1], Israel [2], Portugal [5], Ireland [6], and others it makes them more open to collaborate with American capital and IP instead of dealing with alternatives who cannot deploy similar amounts of capital and transfer IP. [0] - https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-12-11/india-draws-52-billion-from-amazon-microsoft-in-tech-expansion https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-12-11/india-dra... [1] - https://www.gov.pl/web/primeminister/google-invests-billions-in-polands-digital-future https://www.gov.pl/web/primeminister/google-invests-billions... [2] - https://www.calcalistech.com/ctechnews/article/sjcwdmxxzg https://www.calcalistech.com/ctechnews/article/sjcwdmxxzg [3] - https://www.state.gov/pax-silica https://www.state.gov/pax-silica [4] - https://www.state.gov/releases/office-of-the-spokesperson/2026/02/united-states-and-india-sign-pax-silica-declaration https://www.state.gov/releases/office-of-the-spokesperson/20... [5] - https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-11-11/microsoft-plans-to-invest-10-billion-in-portugal-ai-data-hub https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-11-11/microsoft... [6] - https://www.irishtimes.com/business/2025/11/27/microsoft-has-contributed-49bn-to-irish-economy-over-past-year-report-finds/ https://www.irishtimes.com/business/2025/11/27/microsoft-has...

llm_nerd 8mo ago
>American domiciled VCs and companies can outinvest just about any other competitor, Because every investor in the world put their money in the US. They knew the best companies and people would centralize around that hub. When the US is a rogue, isolated idiocracy -- already true, but the world takes time to adapt to this new reality -- how much of that money do you think will flow to the US?

roger110 8mo ago

I don't care if they go sovereign, but the GDPR crap is annoying. Would be funny if the US just forced them to get rid of it.

ambicapter 8mo ago
You don't have to interact with GDPR if you don't use EU companies?
- piva00 8mo ago
  Not even that, if they aren't living in the EU the GDPR doesn't affect their lives in any way.
  - KeplerBoy 8mo ago
    unless your customers are EU citizens.
    - oblio 8mo ago
      Can't have the cake (EU money) and eat it (ignore EU laws), too.
  - SpicyLemonZest 8mo ago
    If the EU announced that non-EU entities aren't subject to GDPR, I think that would substantially defuse and perhaps entirely eliminate the conflict. Their current guidance is precisely the opposite (https://gdpr.eu/what-is-gdpr/ https://gdpr.eu/what-is-gdpr/): "the GDPR applies to you even if you’re not in the EU". They even have a details page to make sure it's 100% clear (https://gdpr.eu/companies-outside-of-europe/ https://gdpr.eu/companies-outside-of-europe/): if you're a Colorado company with more than 250 employees, selling mainly to other Colorado businesses, the GDPR applies to you in full and the EU claims the authority to levy fines against you for violations.
    - microtonal 8mo ago

DrScientist 8mo ago

Depends how much compromising information they already have access to on the politicians concerned :-) Please don't stop us having access to your information, else we will destroy you with the information we already hold :-)

game_the0ry 8mo ago

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Vasbarlog 8mo ago
> Europe...where they throw people in jail for social media posts? What do you think when they find out peoples' private convos? When did this happen?
- kyboren 8mo ago
  https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cp3wkzgpjxvo https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cp3wkzgpjxvo https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/uk-court-jails-man-racist-tweets-seen-only-33-times-sparking-free-speech-debate-1763864 https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/uk-court-jails-man-racist-tweets-s... https://www.dw.com/en/germany-greens-habeck-presses-charges-over-online-insult/a-70793557 https://www.dw.com/en/germany-greens-habeck-presses-charges-... https://reclaimthenet.org/germany-online-speech-raids-political-insults-law-enforcement https://reclaimthenet.org/germany-online-speech-raids-politi... I'm sure you can find more; those were just the lowest hanging fruit in 2 minutes of searching.
  - soco 8mo ago
    So you folks think just because it's internet we should be able to insult and call for racial action? Maybe you think in real life that should be acceptable too?
    - kyboren 8mo ago
      I support free speech through any media, including all noncommercial speech not including: - defamation (with extra lenience for speech about public figures) - evidence of child sex abuse - incitement to imminent lawless action likely to cause disorder Even those few exceptions are dangerous to liberty. Certainly anything else is too easily twisted into political censorship. For example, under the guise of fighting "hate speech", the EU has already used the DSA to censor disfavored political speech like, "I think that LGBTI ideology, gender ideology, transgender ideology are a big threat to Slovakia, just like corruption"[0]. And yes, people obviously have the right to insult their politicians. It's honestly perplexing to encounter someone defending an early morning house raid because the guy called a politician a "professional moron". Are you actually Robert Habeck?? [0]: https://judiciary.house.gov/sites/evo-subsites/republicans-judiciary.house.gov/files/2026-02/THE-FOREIGN-CENSORSHIP-THREAT-PART-II-2-3-26.pdf https://judiciary.house.gov/sites/evo-subsites/republicans-j... (p. 19)

Bender 8mo ago

I do not trust anyone with my data. This is just my preference but every year I move further and further away from using the internet for anything other than making comments on this site and watching a few vloggers. In a few years I will not have more than 3 to 5 logins on anything and those will be value add and must be within driving distance. All critical services I use will require walking into a building in person. If I could find a reputable construction company to build my underground home I would be a true troglodyte.

cyanydeez 8mo ago
Usually, when you want to have people not know who built what, you use an LLC. THEN the LLC hires the subcontractors in stages without them knowing about each other. Youd take about 5 years, but itd be about as secure as you could be if you lost trust in soceity.
- deleted 8mo ago
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- 8cvor6j844qw_d6 8mo ago
  It’s a trope in survivalist fiction. The contractors hired to build a bunker are often the first to attempt a breach once a crisis hits.
  - cyanydeez 8mo ago
    Yes, everyone who works on the bunker will know about it; and all these billionaires are trying to build their survivalist camps but dont actually consider any of the easily/practically broken parts of society they implicitly rely on. Realistically, society we know it won't survive if it dwindles to beneath a couple of millions.
    - mghackerlady 8mo ago
      As we know it, yes, but society in general will last until there's less than 2 people per kilometer or so

strnisa 8mo ago

It seems to me that major US cloud companies are using politics to try to get more value from non-US data, which I believe will push the EU (and others) to accelerate the move to their own alternatives. This is another move that seems to sacrifice longer-term trust (and profits) to boost near-term profits.

gtowey 8mo ago

Such a missed opportunity. We could have been to data privacy and protection what Switzerland is to Banking. But no, our cooperate oligarch overlords just can't keep their hands out of the piggy bank.

blitzar 8mo ago
The swiss have a long tradition of discretion. America has a long tradition of selling anything to the highest bidder. There was never any chance they were going to change.
nxm 8mo ago
Swiss? Where money laundering is basically a given?
- inigyou 8mo ago
  The flip side of privacy is privacy, yes. I don't think it's still the money laundering haven, though. The US forced them into some pretty strict KYC laws to avoid being globally debanked.

PlatoIsADisease 8mo ago

>It’s clear that the era where any one country has global hegemony should end. Unipolar worlds are safer than Bipolar. Multipolar is extremely dangerous. I imagine you didn't know that more people will be killed if the US doesn't have hegemony.

ozmodiar 8mo ago
Don't worry, China is coming out pretty far ahead so I'm sure we'll still be in a unipolar world when this is all over, and you can sleep safe at night. I imagine you didn't know.
- sekai 8mo ago
  > Don't worry, China is coming out pretty far ahead so I'm sure we'll still be in a unipolar world when this is all over, and you can sleep safe at night. I imagine you didn't know. With their current demographics? Doubt it.
- WarmWash 8mo ago
  You better be Han Chinese or you're cooked. At least the US has the benefit of not really having a core ethnic class. (To stem off the haters, the US has a "massive problem with racism" exactly because we have such a mixed society. Most monoracial places are obscenely and shamelessly racist, but never has a chance to arise)
  - victorbjorklund 8mo ago
    Tell that to Steven Miller and Trump.
- bilbo0s 8mo ago
  I don't know man? The Chinese are clearly doing some "rebalancing" lately. Some would even say that "rebalancing" is not a strong enough word. "De-linking" is a word a lot of those people are more comfortable with using to describe what we're seeing. You can't really have a unipolar power if that power simply "takes all their marbles and goes home" so to speak. I think we need to really do some strategic planning around scenarios where China or Europe simply withdraws from the rest of the world. Or decides they only need subsaharan Africa for instance. Or, the nightmare scenario; where China, Europe, and subsaharan Africa actually figure out that together they don't really need anything from the rest of us.

WhyNotHugo 8mo ago

I can’t imagine such a thing either, but here in Europe plenty of organisations continue planning on increasing their reliance and lock-in on American tech corps.

zppln 8mo ago
Which is perfectly fine (albeit perhaps stupid, I agree) for private enterprise. It's the public ones that need to shift first and foremost.
- WhyNotHugo 8mo ago
  It's public sector organisations and entities that are adopting more lock-in. We get the occasional news showing the opposite in NH, but there's also a big counter-movement.

tick_tock_tick 8mo ago

I mean the other options are China and Europe but honestly it's probably way safer as a EU/European citizen to have your data in the USA vs Europe. The last thing I want is Europe in control of any of my data they just fundamentally don't think privacy from the government should exist. Pair that with the frankly appalling lack of free speech I wouldn't want to risk it.

mongol 8mo ago
You are free to put your data whereever you want. But from a national security perspective, it is critical that Europe can run vital, public services on software and infrastructure under their own control
krior 8mo ago
Safer to have my data in the country that tries to manufacture a casus belli against my country than in my country? Safer to have my data in a country where I have no influence on what the legislature has to say on the handling of my data? Safer to have my data in a country with almost no privacy protection laws? Are we living in the same europe?