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It failed. The outcome was europeans see “yet another nonsense” coming from the US. Also, it barely made the news because of other nonsense coming from the US a
by isodev 8mo ago
It failed. The outcome was europeans see “yet another nonsense” coming from the US. Also, it barely made the news because of other nonsense coming from the US and generally that’s limited to “international news”.
Also, we don’t actually have censorship in Europe, not in the way the US is trying to suggest.
- drnick1 8mo agoYet, your ISPs don't give you access to the full Internet. First it's porn (age verification), then it's soccer, then it's social media (ID verification), then it's libraries. Soon, you even stuff that you take for granted, such as playing an online game, may require age/ID verification. At this rate, all you will be able to access soon will be center-left Euro propaganda.
- isodev 8mo agoThe ISPs do what our elected governments direct them to do. It’s how democracy works. If you don’t like what people are voting for, get into politics and talk to your community. Or at least email your MEP. There is no conspiracy here.
- therein 8mo agoCute that you think that's how it works. I guess you're also thinking everyone that voted for the current administration agrees with them on everything they do and voted them in exactly for that. I am at least glad you didn't say if you don't like how it works, move elsewhere.
- isodev 8mo agoI know that’s how it works and I also know it’s not a zero sum game. That’s why every law or policy gets time for comments and debate and sometimes policy gets revised. It’s how governance works. But if you feel you have the perfect solutions, then by all means get yourself on the ballot so we can finally see the light.
- refulgentis 8mo agoSorry you have to deal with our culture warriors, cheers. It's funny to watch someone get a 1st grade instruction in civics while raving.
- welshwelsh 8mo agoWhat websites a person is allowed to access should not be a matter of debate, it is for the individual to decide. Other people's opinions are not relevant. Even if 99% of people think a person should not be able to access a website, it is still their right to do so and they have no need to justify it. Democracy is for deciding what to do with taxpayer money. It shouldn't be a mechanism by which people can vote to take away other people's freedoms.
- alexgieg 8mo agoDoes that apply to websites full of CSAM, or that sell for-hire animal torture real-time streaming services, or that provide hitman hiring services, or...
- isodev 8mo agoI think your view on how government and the internet works is somewhat outdated. Social media is not just "what websites a person is allowed access to" and government is so much more than what we do with taxpayer money. The US is evidently a poor example of what a fully formed government is so I wouldn't use that as a basis for one's world view.
- munksbeer 8mo ago> Democracy is for deciding what to do with taxpayer money. It shouldn't be a mechanism by which people can vote to take away other people's freedoms. This is a child-like argument. Pretty much every law such as requiring you to wear a seatbelt takes away your freedoms.
- GS523523 8mo agoAre you forgetting how the Americans blocked Stormfront and Silk Road? They don't have full access to the Internet either, they're just not so obviously totalitarian about it as the Europeans.
- nozzlegear 8mo agoStormfront was deplatformed, not blocked by ISPs. Silk Road wasn't deplatformed or blocked, the owner got his ass arrested and thrown in prison.
- wat10000 8mo agoMany parts of the US require age verification for porn as well.
- Hikikomori 8mo agoIt's only UK that does that, and they're not in the EU. Many us states do the same, and the administration wants to ban porn completely and jail those who make it.
- hdgvhicv 8mo agoYou talking about Texas right? Half the states in the us block and age gate those sites.
- 0xDEAFBEAD 8mo ago"The situation for free speech in Europe is even worse than I thought" https://eternallyradicalidea.com/p/the-situation-for-free-speech-in https://eternallyradicalidea.com/p/the-situation-for-free-sp...
- goobatrooba 8mo agoI read through this drivel and it's nothing more than conjecture and anecdotes from someone who seems never to have been to Europe. Nearly every example of his critique is of the UK, not Europe as a whole, and each of them has plenty of counterexamples of the same thing happening in the US. In short: nonsense. Completely made up narrative filled with quotes from same-belief people, claiming moral outrage about issues they either don't understand or wilfully misrepresent.
- huhkerrf 8mo agoI'm pretty sure the President and CEO of the leading free expression organization today understands what he's talking about and is fully aware that there are bad things happening in this vein in the US.
- watwut 8mo agoThe guy who literally actively helped to create the current USA situation? Yeah. All the while he pointificated about free speech, he had clear favorites whose speech mattered and who should shut up.
- 0xDEAFBEAD 8mo agoWhen the left is censoring more (as was true in the run-up to Trump's election), of course a free speech organization will be opposing left-wing censorship more frequently. Censorship doesn't help your team, just the opposite. https://www.thefire.org/news/blogs/eternally-radical-idea/would-censorship-have-stopped-rise-nazis-part-16-answers https://www.thefire.org/news/blogs/eternally-radical-idea/wo... Trump's election was a reaction to left-wing cancel culture. If people had listened to FIRE, and refuted bad ideas instead of censoring them, maybe Trump wouldn't have been elected: https://qr.ae/pYCVXO https://qr.ae/pYCVXO
- laughing_man 8mo agoDo Europeans see "yet another nonsense" coming from the US or coming from the EU?
- ekianjo 8mo ago> Also, we don’t actually have censorship in Europe Of course you do. If you think it does not exist the brainwashing has worked on you.
- bryanrasmussen 8mo agoThere was a comma, after which it said "not in the way the US is trying to suggest." You evidently missed that part, or are you saying that it is in exactly the way the US is trying to suggest?