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The dance floor is disappearing in a sea of phones
- onetokeoverthe 8mo ago[dead]
- rumori 8mo agoBerghain puts stickers on your phone cameras, it’s pretty non intrusive while substantially improving the party experience. I didn’t see a single phone in the air on the dancefloor. It was quite refreshing, felt like partying in the 2000s.
- phrotoma 8mo agoI went to a show at Fabric in London during Kubecon last spring and they did the same thing. I still saw the odd person who peeled it off taking selfies or pics of friends inside but that was definitely the exception.
- retired 8mo agoPerhaps it can be enforced with a type of laser that doesn’t damage the human eye but completely obliterates a phone camera. As long as you keep the sticker on nothing happens to your phone.
- OneMorePerson 8mo agoI've seen this in Asia, there's an employee who basically is standing at a raised spot in the corner and if you take out your phone they shoot a small laser pointer right into the camera, it messes with the video. They can't get it on there all the time but a video where half of it (or more they are surprisingly accurate) is a strobing laser becomes pretty garbage anyways. While they are doing that another employee/bouncer comes over and warns them, have seen people get kicked out for pulling it out a second time.
- debo_ 8mo agoThis sounds like a job I would love.
- deaux 8mo ago> I've seen this in Asia "I've seen this on planet earth" Afghanistan? China? Tonga?
- blacksmith_tb 8mo agoTrue, it wasn't very specific, but I think we can rule out Afghanistan where music and dancing are illegal.. I haven't been to Tonga, seems possible that there might a little nightlife in Nukuʻalofa but probably not laser-wielding security, so that narrows it down a little.
- OneMorePerson 8mo agoDo you actually think Tonga is in Asia?
- krisoft 8mo ago> a type of laser that doesn’t damage the human eye but completely obliterates a phone camera If we are asking for impossible things why make it so scifi coded? I would much prefer cute bunny unicorns who suddenly grow fangs and bite people who are taking pictures. They are both equaly realistic but the bunny unicorns are nicer to think of.
- collinmcnulty 8mo agoCertain kinds of lidar do damage phone cameras https://www.jalopnik.com/1866994/lidar-permanently-damage-phone-camera/ https://www.jalopnik.com/1866994/lidar-permanently-damage-ph...
- krisoft 8mo agoOf course. There is no doubt that you can shoot cameras out. That's not the problem. The problem is if you try to scale that effect up to the size of a club what you have won't be eye safe. There is not enough margin between "safe for human eyes" and "destroys cameras" to construct a practical system. Especially not to the safety requirements of an entertainment venue.
- microtonal 8mo agoI think Lidar on cars can damage cameras: https://www.heise.de/en/news/Autonomous-driving-Lidar-can-severely-damage-smartphone-cameras-10395838.html https://www.heise.de/en/news/Autonomous-driving-Lidar-can-se... But it's probably a nightmare from the liability perspective.
- jbaiter 8mo agoIt's pretty much the norm in all "proper" German techno/electronic music clubs I've been to, Berlin and elsewhere.
- GuestFAUniverse 8mo agoCool. Now do that at the entrance to swimming pools too. Has become a pest. Even inside. Even directly at or in the water. No matter what the signs say. At least regarding that I miss the last millennium: no omnipresence of cameras. Not a bunch of entitled pseudo-influencers filming everything and everyone.
- Wowfunhappy 8mo agoThis is mentioned in the article: > More clubs have also been instituting “no phones” policies to reclaim the dance floor’s social energy. Venues including Signal, a small club that opened last year in Brooklyn’s East Williamsburg neighborhood, and recent addition Refuge, located just around the corner, cover all phone cameras with a sticker. Other larger, established venues like House of Yes and Elsewhere have also banned the use of phones inside.
- wolvoleo 8mo agoYeah I've seen the same here in Europe. I think it's fantastic!
- zo7 8mo agoIt's becoming more common in SF and LA too, although it's usually done by the promoter and not the venue.
- raffael_de 8mo agoIn Berghain this is also done for tangential, yet, rather specific reasons that do not apply to most clubs and discos.
- wolvoleo 8mo agoAbsolutely. But the reasoning is the same. A nightclub is where you go to let go. And being confronted with that later is inhibitive. That applies whether you're taking your clothes off or just dance.
- raffael_de 8mo agoas far as I am concerned there should be a strict no-smartphone policy in every café, restaurant, bar, club, cinema, theater, concert etc. that would be amazing. or at least some should do it and i'd only go there.
- wolvoleo 8mo agoWell you still need to write down people's contacts etc. A complete ban is impractical and that is even the case for the parties I visit where they are banned. The camera's are taped off but you're free to exchange instagram details etc. The next morning no way I would remember rollergirl236_berlin lol
- raffael_de 8mo agoof course, we'd provide a pen and a paper in such a case!
- blinding-streak 8mo agohttps://archive.ph/6YKLN https://archive.ph/6YKLN
- wormpilled 8mo agoThank you, seeing that Instagram video linked in the article is a great detail a lot of people are missing because they won't look past the paywall. https://www.instagram.com/reel/DBMh48KvHYz/ https://www.instagram.com/reel/DBMh48KvHYz/ It is utterly pathetic.
- mellosouls 8mo agoA non-paywalled discussion on the subject from a year ago: Nightclub stickers over smartphone rule divides the dancefloor (85 points, 91 comments) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42352825 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42352825 I've never understood the appeal of so-called "dance" events. Crowds of thousands like sardines swaying-at-best to the DJ being treated as a rockstar but without the talent and entertainment as far as I can see. Note: this isn't a rockist viewpoint; I'm a dancer who is frustrated at the lack of options to actually move about in space on a dancefloor with other dancers who are there to actually, you know, dance. I hate the way the word has been co-opted by what appears to be a generation of drugged-out sheep who seem incapable of soulful movement.
- georgeecollins 8mo agoDancing is fun. Dancing in a crowd is freeing because you feel less self conscious. I encourage my kids to dance. DJs.. I don't know. I guess I grew up in an era when they weren't stars.
- candiddevmike 8mo agoThe attention economy requires sacrificial likes, lest you lose followers. People can't just enjoy themselves, they need to generate FOMO or do/show something outrageous in front of a camera 24/7.
- expedition32 8mo agoI grew up in the 90s and we already had XTC. (Funny story about that it was invented by an actual chemist student like a real life "Breaking Bad")
- whackernews 8mo agoJust regarding the drugs: I can totally understand when people are anti-drugs. I’d say it still depends on someone’s personality though. I’ve always thought that drugs and alcohol don’t really change your personality they just amplify it. If someone’s not really a dancer and maybe a bit anxious (seemingly every kid these days) they end up taking a load of drugs to compensate but just end up vegetated. If you’re already someone who feels the music and feels free enough to dance then honestly taking some drugs can be quite the experience.
- sandworm101 8mo agoSearch youtube for laserface and gareth emery. The sea of phones are all recording the stage. So they are the same color as the show. They turn the otherewise dark audience into a reflection, adding to the effect. This is not a bad thing. As for dancing, dancing is for clubs. Clubs are not concert halls. You dance at a club. You watch a show at a hall. Only DJ-types who are confused about whether they are record-spinning robots or stars in a spotlight cannot tell the difference. https://youtu.be/9-ochJEQpb0 https://youtu.be/9-ochJEQpb0
- retired 8mo agoPerhaps they could have communicated beforehand that the performance would be available for free on YouTube afterwards, so that people don’t need to record.
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- sandworm101 8mo agoBut the official footage will not be the same as the show as you lived it. The effects look radically different from seat to seat. And your friends wont be there either.
- margalabargala 8mo agoThis assumes that the recording from the audience will actually be watched ever.
- pjmlp 8mo agoHere is the thing, I still remember when there was no recording, what happens in the venue stays in the venue, or gets talked with others that shared the experience.
- dangus 8mo agoThat was in the era of $10 shows. If I am paying $700 to see Lady Gaga you bet your ass I’m taking some pictures. I actually find k-pop shows somewhat refreshing because there’s zero negative stigma for wanting to record pictures or video. I can easily tell that Gen Z/Alpha has no problem enjoying themselves and even dancing while recording a video. If a phone is blocking your view the venue is designed wrong, or you have the rare concertgoer who doesn’t know how to hold their phone in a way that preserves the view for others, which is rare for the younger audiences. (I don’t go to venues with flat floors anymore. Often they weren’t even designed for concerts in the first place).
- thinkingemote 8mo agoThe phone is a kind of shield for the person holding it above their head. It safely removes them from having to fully engage with what's in front of them. The camera both removes the person from the scene and also by recording enables the event to be captured in a format to be reviewed again. The videos are never actually intended to be watched again or shared with friends though but they are proof that the person was physically there (if not wholly present). There was a video I recently saw about how birthday parties should be filmed. Instead of a video of just the birthday girl in front of a cake reacting to her friends singing happy birthday, she takes the camera, flips it so we don't see her anymore but we see her friends singing facing her with faces full of love.
- thundergolfer 8mo agoExperiencing life not as living but as an anticipated memory.
- ur-whale 8mo agohttps://archive.is/6YKLN https://archive.is/6YKLN
- bjackman 8mo agoEr... Source for this claim? If there are people filming on their dancefloor you're in a shitty club. OK, so the author and a handful of people they quite (including some global superstars who obviously don't represent any kind of norm) seem to be finding themselves in shitty clubs more often than they used to. And therefore we conclude all clubs are shitty now? Nightlife is the least heterogeneous and least globalised form of public life that exists in "the west". If someone thinks they can make sweeping statements about the state of raving writ large, I don't really take them seriously.
- tw04 8mo agoWe have Mets glasses now, you don’t even have to pull a phone out.
- layer8 8mo agoMaybe read the article? It’s more nuanced.
- infecto 8mo agoAnyone else that has been outside in the past 10 years can see it. Doesn’t have to be dancing it can be eating in a restaurant, going to a public pool, walking down the street. Younger folks absolutely are feeling the sense of everything being recorded. It sucks because you don’t know what will pop up online so a lot will not do anything (swim, dance, do anything moderately weird).
- bpavuk 8mo agoI remember being on a concert relatively recently, a few years ago. nearly everyone had their phones up, mine was in a pocket. no one made a single movement that resembled dance, everyone just... stood still. that differed by a great measure from several concerts I attended circa 2018-19. on both music fests, I was in flow. I've been dancing - it's a usual thing all humans naturally do when they hear rhythm that resonates with them unless they consciously resist dancing for one reason or another. though, this time, no one joined me. people just made space around me and pointed their cameras at me, which created a ton of unease and I eventually stopped. it was enough to get viral in local Telegrams, but I had no joy in that. in the moment, I wanted to shout, "duh, why aren't you all dancing? put down your goddamn cameras, you can always scroll later!" phones, primarily due to their current addictive implementation, are such a killjoy. I hope that one day, devices like Clicks Communicator will change this.
- brabel 8mo agoWait, were things different as recently as 2018? I just remember when I was into concerts, circa 1998, most people just stood there unless it was a big hit playing, but a significant amount of people would always dance or just jump like crazy near the middle of the pitch. I did recently went to a punk concert from a band from the late 80s , so most people there were my age. It was just like the old times. A lot of people went crazy as this was a band that had only good songs to play! But some around me thought that they could just stand there and film with their phone. They quickly realized that they would had to move away as nearly everyone around just started jumping like maniacs, just like in the 90s . I can’t comment on the new generation though as like I said, I don’t frequent the scene much anymore and when I do the younger people only go to accompany their parents, I guess.
- microtonal 8mo agoI'm so happy that my prime concert-going days were 1998 to 2013. People just came for the concert and were fully immersed in the music and the vibe. Though admittedly, concerts of groups that were not too well-known, but also not unknown, were the best. At more mainstream bands people would come for the hits. But as something like a Nomeansno concert everyone was locked in. I also don't really understand what the point of constantly filming is. Some groups regularly put high-quality concerts on Youtube [1], so if you want to re-experience a similar concert afterwards you can. I guess it's more about documenting your life's story on socials. But what's the point of documenting the life that you don't really live? Some artists (e.g. John Zorn) forbid filming, which is IMO the best way to go. It's all about experiencing it in the moment. [1] Bands like King Gizzard and the Lizard Wizard even put pretty much every concert online now in full 4K, professionally filmed glory.
- blinding-streak 8mo agoBloomberg is an interesting news outlet. My whole life I thought of them as purely financial-based reporting. But I've seen lots of lifestyle stuff from them too. And usually well written and interesting angles. Maybe journalism isn't totally dead yet.
- bpavuk 8mo ago> Maybe journalism isn't totally dead yet. it never was, nor will ever be :)
- DaedalusII 8mo agothey have to start pivoting as their core business model of charging a human being ~$30k USD to access a data terminal is dead with AI. now instead of having 10 human agents using 10 human terminals that costs $300k you can have 100 AI agents orchestrated into a single terminal that costs $30k its especially dead because people can begin to develop macros and tools to create alternatives to their system using raw data models, and filters, as well as machine-tools rather than just using transformer models to process reports
- hshdhdhj4444 8mo agoThat may be true but it has nothing to do with their news media grow out which has been happening for decades.
- drawfloat 8mo agoAI agents trawling the web: famously incredibly low latency, sourcing news before it hits social media, and accurate enough to be able to stake multi million dollar trades on.
- DaedalusII 8mo agonot quite: ai agents accessing the terminal which has the accurate data you don't need to have large human teams reading the terminals anymore. the human headcount required to consume the bloomberg content is shrinking, not the headcount required to create it
- elric 8mo agoOne of the many victims of ubiquitous cameras. Along with communal showers.
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- wolvoleo 8mo agoI see a big counter movement though. I've been to many parties where phones are prohibited, if you bring one the cameras will be taped off. And anyone taking photos anyway will be approached by security. I really love that. It makes parties carefree again because what happens in the club stays in the club. And the people that most applaud it are GenZ, to my suprise.
- datsci_est_2015 8mo agoI also find that if you’re at the right show there’s very few people who hold their phone up for very long. There’s a reason their banner image is Fred Again hah.
- 627467 8mo agoMeta (or Apple, or...) glasses solves this. /s
- bradlys 8mo agoDancing is not considered cool. Most young people are too self-conscious about being seen dancing poorly. Even someone who is a professional dancer will be considered looking "lame" because they didn't dance the exact perfect way for the music (to whoever is looking) and so forth. Critique of dance is at all time high thanks to TikTok and other social media. People see the absolute best of the world at their absolute peak for short moments of time and extrapolate that's how you should be dancing at all times if you are going to dance. Therefore, not cool to dance anymore. Everyone is too self-conscious.