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Not necessarily disagreeing the whole principle... > All I hear is skill issue. Imagine needing an AI to write stuff. Grammarly users (and underrepresented no

Not necessarily disagreeing the whole principle... > All I hear is skill issue. Imagine needing an AI to write stuff. Grammarly users (and underrepresented non-English speakers) would complain.

rdmuser 8mo ago
Personally I find that I prefer badly written english or auto-translated stuff written in languages foreign to me over ai generated or even just ai polished works I've seen. There is just so much more character, depth and variance there vs ultra ai generic or slop text. That being said this project seems focused on content farms not people who just need a little help writing so this whole conversation is a bit of a side tangent.
- lifthrasiir 8mo ago
  I mean, I know it is probably tongue in cheek but that never-asked-question was particularly out of place. Massively generated AI contents are usually not THAT thoughtful anyway.
- flkiwi 8mo ago
  One of my coworkers is EXTREMELY capable but functionally almost illiterate. He’s recently discovered that he can put an idea in Copilot and have it generate an email. So now instead of brief, correct, but difficult to parse emails we receive 20-paragraph, bulleted, formatted OpenAI slop. It’s been a very strange thing to see, like someone getting extraordinarily bad cosmetic surgery.
  - dawnerd 8mo ago
    Sam, and when you ask them a deeper question about it on a call they usually have no idea. It’s making people very lazy.
  - wolvoleo 8mo ago
    Yeah I hate it when people do that and I always call them out on it. Unfortunately our company is trying to be "AI First" so they'll just point to that and continue their bullshit. Our company literally promotes AI slop over personally made content even if it's mediocre crap. All they care about is rising usage numbers of things like copilot in office.
  - OGEnthusiast 8mo ago
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  - SpicyLemonZest 8mo ago
    I have a similar coworker, but he's not great at prompting, so 10% of the time the AI version of himself makes confident assertions that he did not intend and are clearly not true. Genuinely no idea what I'm supposed to do about it.
    - flkiwi 8mo ago
      Exactly right. He’s good at what he does, except communicating, and people are beginning to associate him with AI slop they don’t have time to read rather than the excellent work he does for them.
  - ploum 8mo ago
    "One of my coworkers is EXTREMELY capable but functionally almost illiterate." I cannot imagine what it means. To me it reads like "I know someone who can run very fast but has no legs."
    - vogu66 8mo ago
      Capable doesn't mean capable of office work though, I could see someone with a language disorder doing electronics and have trouble with words, not numbers. Or someone who has trouble with written words specifically doing most of their learning with classes and videos.
      - flkiwi 8mo ago
        Exactly right. The individual in question produces excellent deliverables within their space. They, the coworker, are very good at receiving inputs, but not very good at outputs (other than their deliverables). In a way, it's like having an offshore worker who speaks almost none of your language but can understand it and produce good work.
  - toofy 8mo ago
    > like someone getting extraordinarily bad cosmetic surgery. this is such an incredible way to phrase what it all looks like to the rest of us. and i suspect the people doing it, just like those with obvious cosmetic surgery, have no idea how weird and off it looks.
rererereferred 8mo ago
I mean, the reason we use grammarly is because we recognize we have a skill issue.
jofzar 8mo ago
I use Grammarly at work (it's mostly to make sure our brand guidelines are kept) and I don't find that it (defaultly) corrects too far into the ai slop territory. It's mostly just making sure your sentence is correct. Op is going after AI slop bot farms like android authority
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- smohare 8mo ago
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QuadmasterXLII 8mo ago
There’s not a single group who’s ever been told skill issue that didn’t complain
- tclancy 8mo ago
  Sure, but there also plenty of times “get gud!” is used for gate keeping. Life is on a continuum, man.
duskdozer 8mo ago
If you don't know English and you want to write English anyway, please just use a machine translator.
- GaggiX 8mo ago
  Why? A model correcting your errors is a powerful tool to learn the language, much better than just writing the phrase in your native language.
- UqWBcuFx6NV4r 8mo ago
  …what? no? why?
- victorbjorklund 8mo ago
  And the machine translator is using AI to translate the text
  - duskdozer 8mo ago
    Yes, AI as a term existed well before OpenAI and ChatGPT and such.
- mrweasel 8mo ago
  From experience: If you don't know Danish, please don't ever use machine translators to translate from English. Regardless of what some people may think, they make mistakes, so many mistakes. I get why it's tempting, good translators are expensive, and few and far between. A friend of my is a professional translator and she's not exactly in need of work, but a lot of customers look at her prices and opt for machine translations instead and the result not always impressive. Errors range from wrong words, bad sentence structure to an inability to correctly translate cultural references.
  - embedding-shape 8mo ago
    Right, makes sense for Danes, or other population where English knowledge is basically ubiquitous. But I'm think it might look differently in other places, if the choice is between "Badly translated but I can understand 95% of it" and "In a language I don't understand at all, maybe 1% I could figure out", then the choice might be a bit different.
dangus 8mo ago
This specific list from this specific author isn’t worth using since they refuse to remove items from the list if domain ownership changes. E.g., bought a domain that previously hosted AI content. E.g., Whitehouse.com used to be a porn site, now it’s not.
- ragall 8mo ago
  > E.g., bought a domain that previously hosted AI content. Before buying a domain you should check if it's present in blacklists. > Whitehouse.com used to be a porn site, now it’s not. I won't lose sleep over that.
  - dangus 8mo ago
    Well, I understand you won’t lose any sleep, but this is conceptually stupid. That would be like refusing to allow someone to buy a house because the last owner was a convicted of a crime. Sorry, we gotta demolish the house now! And nobody can live on the plot. The owner of this repo is free to do whatever they want but I’m free to point out that it’s a dumb practice.
    - ragall 8mo ago
      > That would be like refusing to allow someone to ... You should stop thinking by analogies. You're doing a disservice to yourself and your thinking capacity. > The owner of this repo is free to do whatever they want but I’m free to point out that it’s a dumb practice. I find it very useful, just like most of its users, and if ever I were to find it necessary to use a website that's obviously blocked, I know how to unblock it. Most of the time I don't bother, so that's something for you to think.
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Not necessarily disagreeing the whole principle... > All I hear is skill issue. Imagine needing an AI to write stuff. Grammarly users (and underrepresented non-English speakers) would complain.

rdmuser 8mo ago

Personally I find that I prefer badly written english or auto-translated stuff written in languages foreign to me over ai generated or even just ai polished works I've seen. There is just so much more character, depth and variance there vs ultra ai generic or slop text. That being said this project seems focused on content farms not people who just need a little help writing so this whole conversation is a bit of a side tangent.

lifthrasiir 8mo ago
I mean, I know it is probably tongue in cheek but that never-asked-question was particularly out of place. Massively generated AI contents are usually not THAT thoughtful anyway.
flkiwi 8mo ago
One of my coworkers is EXTREMELY capable but functionally almost illiterate. He’s recently discovered that he can put an idea in Copilot and have it generate an email. So now instead of brief, correct, but difficult to parse emails we receive 20-paragraph, bulleted, formatted OpenAI slop. It’s been a very strange thing to see, like someone getting extraordinarily bad cosmetic surgery.
- dawnerd 8mo ago
  Sam, and when you ask them a deeper question about it on a call they usually have no idea. It’s making people very lazy.
- wolvoleo 8mo ago
  Yeah I hate it when people do that and I always call them out on it. Unfortunately our company is trying to be "AI First" so they'll just point to that and continue their bullshit. Our company literally promotes AI slop over personally made content even if it's mediocre crap. All they care about is rising usage numbers of things like copilot in office.
- OGEnthusiast 8mo ago
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- SpicyLemonZest 8mo ago
  I have a similar coworker, but he's not great at prompting, so 10% of the time the AI version of himself makes confident assertions that he did not intend and are clearly not true. Genuinely no idea what I'm supposed to do about it.
  - flkiwi 8mo ago
    Exactly right. He’s good at what he does, except communicating, and people are beginning to associate him with AI slop they don’t have time to read rather than the excellent work he does for them.
- ploum 8mo ago
  "One of my coworkers is EXTREMELY capable but functionally almost illiterate." I cannot imagine what it means. To me it reads like "I know someone who can run very fast but has no legs."
  - vogu66 8mo ago
    Capable doesn't mean capable of office work though, I could see someone with a language disorder doing electronics and have trouble with words, not numbers. Or someone who has trouble with written words specifically doing most of their learning with classes and videos.
    - flkiwi 8mo ago
      Exactly right. The individual in question produces excellent deliverables within their space. They, the coworker, are very good at receiving inputs, but not very good at outputs (other than their deliverables). In a way, it's like having an offshore worker who speaks almost none of your language but can understand it and produce good work.
- toofy 8mo ago
  > like someone getting extraordinarily bad cosmetic surgery. this is such an incredible way to phrase what it all looks like to the rest of us. and i suspect the people doing it, just like those with obvious cosmetic surgery, have no idea how weird and off it looks.

rererereferred 8mo ago

I mean, the reason we use grammarly is because we recognize we have a skill issue.

jofzar 8mo ago

I use Grammarly at work (it's mostly to make sure our brand guidelines are kept) and I don't find that it (defaultly) corrects too far into the ai slop territory. It's mostly just making sure your sentence is correct. Op is going after AI slop bot farms like android authority

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smohare 8mo ago
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QuadmasterXLII 8mo ago

There’s not a single group who’s ever been told skill issue that didn’t complain

tclancy 8mo ago
Sure, but there also plenty of times “get gud!” is used for gate keeping. Life is on a continuum, man.

duskdozer 8mo ago

If you don't know English and you want to write English anyway, please just use a machine translator.

GaggiX 8mo ago
Why? A model correcting your errors is a powerful tool to learn the language, much better than just writing the phrase in your native language.
UqWBcuFx6NV4r 8mo ago
…what? no? why?
victorbjorklund 8mo ago
And the machine translator is using AI to translate the text
- duskdozer 8mo ago
  Yes, AI as a term existed well before OpenAI and ChatGPT and such.
mrweasel 8mo ago
From experience: If you don't know Danish, please don't ever use machine translators to translate from English. Regardless of what some people may think, they make mistakes, so many mistakes. I get why it's tempting, good translators are expensive, and few and far between. A friend of my is a professional translator and she's not exactly in need of work, but a lot of customers look at her prices and opt for machine translations instead and the result not always impressive. Errors range from wrong words, bad sentence structure to an inability to correctly translate cultural references.
- embedding-shape 8mo ago
  Right, makes sense for Danes, or other population where English knowledge is basically ubiquitous. But I'm think it might look differently in other places, if the choice is between "Badly translated but I can understand 95% of it" and "In a language I don't understand at all, maybe 1% I could figure out", then the choice might be a bit different.

dangus 8mo ago

This specific list from this specific author isn’t worth using since they refuse to remove items from the list if domain ownership changes. E.g., bought a domain that previously hosted AI content. E.g., Whitehouse.com used to be a porn site, now it’s not.

ragall 8mo ago
> E.g., bought a domain that previously hosted AI content. Before buying a domain you should check if it's present in blacklists. > Whitehouse.com used to be a porn site, now it’s not. I won't lose sleep over that.
- dangus 8mo ago
  Well, I understand you won’t lose any sleep, but this is conceptually stupid. That would be like refusing to allow someone to buy a house because the last owner was a convicted of a crime. Sorry, we gotta demolish the house now! And nobody can live on the plot. The owner of this repo is free to do whatever they want but I’m free to point out that it’s a dumb practice.
  - ragall 8mo ago
    > That would be like refusing to allow someone to ... You should stop thinking by analogies. You're doing a disservice to yourself and your thinking capacity. > The owner of this repo is free to do whatever they want but I’m free to point out that it’s a dumb practice. I find it very useful, just like most of its users, and if ever I were to find it necessary to use a website that's obviously blocked, I know how to unblock it. Most of the time I don't bother, so that's something for you to think.
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