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Good. But people should not have pointed cameras into public spaces and live streamed everything to the cloud to begin with. Walking past a house with a camera
by ulrikrasmussen 8mo ago
Good. But people should not have pointed cameras into public spaces and live streamed everything to the cloud to begin with. Walking past a house with a camera doorbell makes me really uncomfortable, like I'm being watched.
- asdff 8mo agoI have a local one (reolink). Prompted by neighbors getting robbed unfortunately. Will this prevent crime? Maybe some but probably not all. But it would let me know if I have to file a stolen package claim or should wait on the package for a few more days. Plus it has been doubling as a trail camera for the local fauna I had no idea came by so frequently. It faces private property only as it is set up.
- tehlike 8mo agoThe local law enforcement will likely not have the time to chase individual small cases either...
- repeekad 8mo agoCareful what you wish for, local cops have already abused cameras and license plate readers to arrest people just for driving by the location and looking similar to doorbell video, over package theft... https://youtu.be/37fp2n6p19Q https://youtu.be/37fp2n6p19Q
- lifestyleguru 8mo agoIn Poland some moron in surveillance center visually profiled a random guy as one wanted person (by jacket color), then police took the guy to the police station and beat him to death. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Igor_Stachowiak https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Igor_Stachowiak
- theodric 8mo agoWow. What an infuriating case, again and again. Only 2 years in prison for the perps because the court decided that "excited delirium" killed the guy and not being beaten and tased 4 times.
- antihero 8mo agoAnd some of the protestors that protested this got 4+ years. Clearly police property has more rights than a human being.
- mrguyorama 8mo agoThe guys who beat Rodney King faced zero justice, American prison guards pretty regularly do horrific things and face little repercussion, and the guys who executed Pretti were working the next day, until that led to backlash and now they are being systemically protected. In some states in the US, it is not illegal for a cop to have sex with someone they have arrested. Ain't that just dandy. The Polish situation could be an upgrade.
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- close04 8mo agoEven if they do, “crime scene” camera footage is less useful than the victims expect. Cameras discourage thieves of opportunity but not someone who has their mind set on taking your stuff. A simple cap or mask, some sunglasses, a few strips of reflective tape, a WiFi deauther, cheap and accessible stuff like this make the practical usefulness of most home camera systems limited at best to the owner understanding what and how it happened. That’s why police looks to piece together from a larger surveillance network. Maybe you can’t see the face on the home camera but in another camera down the road, or a license plate on the getaway car down the street, or an accomplice without disguise. They want everyone to have cameras and then they can abuse the system. Friends showed me high quality close up footage of someone stealing their bike. Absolutely useless, all you saw was an average guy that you wouldn’t recognize if you walked past on the street.
- colordrops 8mo agoNot sure why you are downvoted. Reolinks work without internet and can stream locally using rtsp. I have a doorbell cam from them and it works fine. If you block it from the internet you only get video and basic doorbell functionality though, which is fine.
- classic959 8mo agoYou can also stream Reolink video to a Frigate box (free software) and access that from wherever. No cloud involved if you run your own VPN. Or even better, _just a little_ cloud involved if you expose through Cloudflare tunnel for just you and whoever else needs to access it.
- dwedge 8mo agoGiven that cloudflare tunnels require ssl termination, this technically isnt much different to a cloud server that promises not to record. Of course, cloudflare are less likely to be inclined to analyse it
- wink 8mo agoThe difference if you can film out on the street (random people walking by) or just your property (my own fault if I approach your door). Some countries have laws for this, as in you can only point the camera so that you don't catch everyone. This can have downsides, e.g. if you have no (even short) front yard and your (organization's) door is directly on the curb - but I completely agree that this is just tough luck, the privacy of random people walking on public property past private property should not be filmed.
- FranklinJabar 8mo agoYou can always put the cameras inside the home and disable WAN access. Best of all worlds.
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- joshstrange 8mo agoYep, I had this setup for years. PoE cameras, connected directly to a Reolink NVR, that I could access over my vpn and then later WireGuard connection back home. I very much enjoyed that setup and it helped me a number of times. Not only did it give me peace of mind but two specific examples come to mind. One was when the garbage company’s truck picked up my trash can, and never put it back down (the whole thing fell into the back of the truck). I was able to get a replacement can for free, otherwise I wouldn’t have had any clue where it disappeared off to. The second time was when my first Steam Deck was stolen in-transit. You could tell from the very hollow sound the box made when the delivery person threw the box onto the porch. It helped prove that it wasn’t stolen off my porch (side note, screw UPS, bunch of thieves, I also had another Steam Deck stolen from one of their drop boxes, last time I ever used one, by one of their employees. No recourse at all, I just had to eat the ~$700. Also, Valve, stop shipping the Steam deck in an incredibly obvious box).
- doom2 8mo agoWhat do you use now?
- joshstrange 8mo agoI’m in the process of moving to a new house where I’m going to go all-in on Ubiquiti equipment. I don’t have it set up yet (house is being built now) but I’ve started buying the equipment and I had Ethernet run to the places where I’ll put cameras. Same concept though, local NVR, remote access via WireGuard.
- kyralis 8mo agoThis is the setup I have, and it's been very good. I also live in a rural location, though- my cameras do not show anything that is not on my property, so I don't have the same concerns about randomly filming strangers just walking past.
- raw_anon_1111 8mo agoIf I were a robber knowing everyone has cameras, wouldn’t I just wear a mask?
- Bender 8mo agoThey do. Also many dont care as they will just be released. Criminals also know the cameras do not face up/down the road to capture license plates.
- reaperducer 8mo agoWill this prevent crime? Maybe No. Unless your camera is being held by a human being who can take action. Cameras do not prevent crime. That's just marketing. All they do is let people watch crimes after they've happened, and share the videos to spread fear to other people, which then sells more cameras. If doorbell cameras prevented crime, the internet would be full of videos of people trying to steal packages, then changing their minds when they see the camera. Instead, it's all just recordings of a crime that has already been committed.
- ChoGGi 8mo agoMy garage was broken into twice within three years, cameras up two years ago, and nothing yet. I may also have a nice rock for sale, we'll see how it goes.
- mosburger 8mo agoYeah - I think it still a bit of a deterrent ... today, not everyone has a camera, and if I were a thief and one house had cameras while the place next door did not, guess which one I'm gonna rob? But I wonder how much of that will wear off once everybody has one.
- reaperducer 8mo agoif I were a thief and one house had cameras while the place next door did not, guess which one I'm gonna rob? But we're talking about doorbell cameras here, not giant boxes in the sky with flashing strobe lights on them. A thief doesn't know if there's a doorbell camera on a particular home until they're already on the porch and recorded.
- m10i 8mo ago> A thief doesn't know if there's a doorbell camera on a particular home until they're already on the porch and recorded. When a thief wants to steal something, they usually stop trying to steal that thing once they become aware they are being monitored. Even if they only realized once they reached the porch. It's not a guarantee, but it's something. And it provides a trail to follow if something is stolen (or worse).
- gspr 8mo agoHere in Norway, and I assume in much of Europe, it's actually illegal. But that hasn't stopped anyone. The (little) discussion there's been on the topic has mostly centered around car sentry cams, which is very similar in nature. Sadly, the only state authority that seems to care is so underfunded that they can barely cover a fraction of these cases. And there's (rightfully) very little appetite for them to go after pretty much everyone with a relatively new car. My armchair take is that we need to start going after those who provide the systems. If a regular person buys a streaming doorbell or a car with a sentrycam, it should be up to whoever takes his money and handles those streams to ensure that they're not doing illegal surveillance of public spaces, IMHO.
- hdgvhicv 8mo agoOnce something illegal is culturally accepted it’s very difficult to remove, it requires a cultural shift. It’s against the law to post cctv onto things like Facebook in the U.K. but people donor all the time. Early on the law could have banned cloud cameras but it’s too late now, far too many people like to answer front their phones. So glad I no ln get deliver pizzas.
- gspr 8mo ago> Once something illegal is culturally accepted it’s very difficult to remove, it requires a cultural shift. I agree. And that's sensible. We don't want the law and culture to diverge too much. The former is meant to serve the latter. But I do still think it would be possible to start going after the suppliers of the services.
- FranklinJabar 8mo ago> The former is meant to serve the latter. Bear in mind europe is known for millennia of pogroms and ethnic cleansing (like, I'm sure, many other parts of the world). Sometimes the culture must bend towards the needs of a stable culture.
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- UltraSane 8mo agoThe world is going to be filled with millions of cameras using AI to analyze the video in real time.
- heigh 8mo agoI think it’s only fair the citizens are allowed to record if the government does it en mass
- Epskampie 8mo agoDoesn't have to be. Here in the Netherlands it's actually illegal to (permanently) film public space, and people can and will point that out to any offenders.
- AlecSchueler 8mo agoWith many exceptions of course.
- danielbln 8mo agoSame in Germany. Putting something like a Ring camera up is a big no-no.
- close04 8mo agoThey are everywhere. Knowing the old “Germany is the land of privacy” I was shocked to walk about in many neighborhoods, from pretty run down to affluent, and see Ring, Nest, Arlo, all cloud connected cameras hanging over doors but turned more towards the public road in front of the house.
- UltraSane 8mo agoThat seems impossible to actually enforce.
- shiroiuma 8mo agoThere's permanent cameras pointed at the street in the red light district in Amsterdam, along with warning signs saying that photographing the women in the windows is illegal.
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- vachina 8mo ago> like I'm being watched. Working as intended? It’s a wireless CCTV.
- willis936 8mo agoLike they're being watched by every data broker customer on the planet, not their neighbor.
- Sharlin 8mo agoBeing recorded while on public property is not illegal in many jurisdictions, but it's certainly iffy and should not be normalized. Any cameras should be directed so that they're exclusively aimed at your own property.
- mingus88 8mo agoCounterpoint: everyone needs to own their own video streams I hate it, but you are being recorded everywhere you go. Your plates and your face get scanned every single day, all day long. This is normalized. Privacy is dead. You will never get access to any of that data when you need it. It is not there to help you. You need to keep your own evidence of the world around you; you never know when you will need it.
- ChrisMarshallNY 8mo agoI just assume that I’m on video, at any given time. Not condoning it; just accepting reality. > It is not there to help you It’s like those “This call may be monitored for 'quality' purposes.” service calls. You can bet, that if the recording helps the company, they’ll have it, but if it helps you, well, they didn’t record that call.
- dwedge 8mo agoGdpr helps with this. I've made a SAR in the past for a recording. It's up to them to decide if the penalty of me having it is worse than the risk of getting caught illegally deleting it after
- SwtCyber 8mo agoI do think clearer norms would help
- vitorfblima 8mo agoThis. The survelliance state smiles when people find ok to film their neighbors for "safety" purposes.
- assimpleaspossi 8mo agoNobody's watching you. Nobody cares that you're walking by.
- crims0n 8mo agoAgreed, I know it’s juvenile but ever time that stupid chime plays I just want to throw up a finger.
- ghtbircshotbe 8mo agoI'm interested in the laws around these cameras. Is it illegal to record eg parts of your neighbor's private property? Are you liable or is Amazon?