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It doesn't say Toyota anywhere on the page and they don't have a link to a repo or anything like that, so I was a little confused. But it is from /that/ Toyota
by oritron 8mo ago
It doesn't say Toyota anywhere on the page and they don't have a link to a repo or anything like that, so I was a little confused. But it is from /that/ Toyota (well, a subsidiary that is making 3d software for their displays) and there was a talk at FOSDEM about it: https://fosdem.org/2026/schedule/event/7ZJJWW-fluorite-game-engine-flutter/ https://fosdem.org/2026/schedule/event/7ZJJWW-fluorite-game-...
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- wasmainiac 8mo ago> They use this game engine in the 2026 RAV4 Funny how “game engines” are now car parts in 2026. Can I just have an electric car that’s a car and nothing else? Seats, wheels pedals, mirrors, real buttons, no displays just a aux jack. I’d buy it, hell I might even take the risk and pre-order it
- leecommamichael 8mo agoThe "interactive user manual" sounds neat. It probably doesn't need to be part of the car's computer.
- cwillu 8mo agoDear god do I not want to be trying to deal with an interactive user manual when pulled over on the side of the road trying to look up the lift point to jack the car up.
- x0x0 8mo agoThat car is the Slate truck.
- oritron 8mo agoAh sorry, I quickly edited that out of my comment! I had the video playing while posting, they were talking about a precursor project for embedded Flutter which this in some ways builds on, /that/ is running on the new RAV4. One of the example uses given in the talk is 3D tutorials, which I could imagine being handy. Not sure I'd want to click on the car parts for it but with the correct affordances I could imagine a potentially useful interface.
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- Brian_K_White 8mo agoWe're all just waiting for the Slate for exactly that reason.
- mcny 8mo agoI was hoping it would be under USD 20k including all taxes but now rumors say likely NOT under USD 25k?
- ghostly_s 8mo agowell the website says "mid-twenties" so Id say more than a rumor.
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- fwip 8mo agoThe announced "under $20K" price was including the now-cancelled $7,500 EV subsidy.
- Moto7451 8mo agoA Toyota Corolla starts at $23K. I think the "Under 20" and "Under 30" price points (a la the original Model 3 goal) are simply a thing of the past for any volume car with reasonable demand.
- mrguyorama 8mo agoWhat you get for that $23k is now quite substantial though. Power windows are standard. 169hp. Automatic climate control, central locking and key fobs, Automatic emergency braking and other radar based features. Digital gauge cluster. Modern infotainment. Modern crash safety, which is really good compared to 20 years ago. That's a lot of car for $10k in 1996 dollars. That's ignoring the $3k in fees, taxes, and whatever scam the dealer runs. The reason we don't see more of it is that selling one $23k Corolla to one value minded shopper can't make line go up as much as selling one $60k MEGATRUCK to one easily influenced shopper. The new car market is exclusively for people who buy new cars regularly, and are therefore willing to get very bad deals for cars. The market is driven by people who self select for bad ability to parse value.
- xnx 8mo agoCars should be a USB-C peripheral to a tablet that docks on the dash.
- giancarlostoro 8mo agoHonestly, I'd be okay with this, and then you can upgrade / replace said tablet if you wanted to. In an Alternate Universe, your iPad drives your car, your iPad Pro drives your car through hell and back, or whatever.
- danudey 8mo agoGiven how many cars have Carplay or Android Auto, but also have their own e.g. Toyota app that you need to/ought to install, it feels as though this isn't that far off from how things basically are. Personally, I'd be happy with some kind of situation where: 1. You have a small in-dash touchscreen, as most small sedans have these days, as the basic level of "backup camera and radio view" 2. Everything the car does has a physical button so you don't NEED to use the touchscreen 3. The car has a USB-C port that can power a tablet and which provides a standardized interface that e.g. iOS and Android can interface with, so that users don't have to worry about their new OS doesn't support the not-updated app, or the app doesn't support their not-updated device 4. Sell an optional tablet mount that attaches to the dash the way a built-in one would be 5. Sell an optional 'tablet' that does nothing but interface with the USB-C port and provide what it needs, in case someone wants a larger screen without having to buy an iPad Pro Then again I don't drive, so I'd be happy with none of this also.
- renewiltord 8mo agoI can build you this for $140k, I think. Interested?
- speedgoose 8mo agoIt’s a very small market, but yes you can. In Europe, the Citroen Ami is about that. Or the base Dacia Spring. More expensive cars will have more electronic. They kinda want to sell them.
- munificent 8mo ago> no displays In the US, no. Backup cameras are required by federal law as of 2018. The intent of the law was to reduce the number of children killed by being backed over because the driver couldn't see them behind the car.
- bobthepanda 8mo agoIt is crazy how many things are downstream of the structural issue where US regulations favor ginormous SUVs and pickups where this is a problem, but if we introduced legislation to fix this we would end up ruining US automakers which have pivoted almost entirely to this segment alone
- next_xibalba 8mo agoIt wouldn’t be HN without a commenter shoehorning the topic of a thread into proof of their pet problem. See also any topic even remotely tangential to city planning.
- fnord77 8mo agodeaths from people backing up over their kids predated "ginormous SUVs".
- kimbernator 8mo agoWhile I agree with you that the issue is far worse with larger vehicles, I do find that backing up in my wife's 2011 camry (without a backup camera) feels significantly less safe than I feel backing up my 2017 accord with a backup camera. I'm all for fixing the structural issue you are referring to, but I think the requirement for those cameras is sane in an age where the added cost to the manufacturer is miniscule.
- alt227 8mo agoIts not just the added cost, its the supply chain. Putting cameras into cars requires processors, ram, all manner of chips and compnents that a car didnt need before. There was the chip shortage during covid which held car production back becasue the auto makers couldnt source their chips fast enough. I am waiting to see if the current supply issue for ram chips modules will produce a similar effect.
- PlatoIsADisease 8mo agoReal buttons are more expensive than electronic. Not sure if you care, but people make that mistake more generally. Game engines are probably trivially cheap to produce in 2026. You forget that Toyota sells 10M cars per year. In 3 years thats 30M cars. What does it cost each buyer for the game engine? 30 cents?
- criddell 8mo ago> Real buttons are more expensive than electronic. It might add up to a lot of money for the manufacturer who is cranking out thousands or millions of vehicles, but to the consumer buying one car it isn't a meaningful difference.
- PlatoIsADisease 8mo agoThis is 10 year old outdated, but 10 years ago 1 button was ~1.00. Probably closer to $1.20 or $1.30. But sometimes buttons had 2 buttons on them, Those would go for $2.10-$2.30. Then you had wiring each button wire I believe was $1. This wasnt 1 wire, but a few wires, power, ground, signal. Each button had them. This wasnt my job, so I didn't follow this price too much, but I asked the question at the time. I think going into the ECU, there is also a cost associated with it. Anyway, you could assume 10 years ago, each button was $2. A car has 40-70 buttons? So its probably like $100 a car. Maybe $150 or $200 in today's money. Also buttons and wires break, causing warranty problems. At the time these vehicles were selling for under $20k at the bottom, and $40k at the top. So 1% of costs were buttons. This doesn't even include the cost of hiring ~20 engineers to handle the buttons. ~6 people to check appearance and do testing... It doesn't include the assembly costs on the line. That 1% was just the cost of button + wire.
- fwip 8mo agoFrom looking at some new car options lately, it seems like you're lucky if you can get floor mats for $200. This doesn't take away from your point - I suppose I'm just griping.
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- wasmainiac 8mo agoHahah super, ugly I love it. If only it was easy to import.
- ErroneousBosh 8mo ago> Can I just have an electric car that’s a car and nothing else? Seats, wheels pedals, mirrors, real buttons, no displays just a aux jack. I’d buy it, hell I might even take the risk and pre-order it You can buy a tubular frame chassis for Beetle-based kit cars from a factory in the south of England, that's been adapted to take modern coilover suspension and an MGF or MGTF engine and gearbox, because Beetles are so rare that anyone wants to put the engine back into a Beetle. I reckon with a minor amount of fettling you could squeeze a Nissan Leaf transaxle and a sufficient amount of batteries in, and still drop your Manx beach buggy shell over the top. Or any other shell you like. You'd be running around in a solar-powered beach buggy. THAT is the future.
- stetrain 8mo agoPart of what has made modern EVs successful in the wider market is the connected navigation system that knows your battery level, current consumption, planned navigation route, and what charging stations are available along the way. To have a decent travel experience in an EV you'd likely at least need this data ported out to your phone via an OBD adapter or CarPlay / Android Auto integration with an in-car infotainment display.
- dylan604 8mo agoConnecting via ODB? Come on. The car does not need any of that built into it. You can connect an app on your phone to handle all of that and just use the screen as a display. There is no need for a car to have a cellular connection just to give this functionality. That would also prevent the car from being able to communicate with the mother ship. If there's an update, have the app do that as well.
- itintheory 8mo ago> ODB Ol' Dirty Bastard? I jest, but I think the theory behind wanting an 'On-board Diagnostics' [1] connection would be to get data from the vehicle. You can get cheap bluetooth OBD-II adapters to transmit that info to your phone, it's not a given. I don't know much about electric cars, but if you want your phone to know the fuel level in an ICE vehicle then you'd need this kind of connection. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On-board_diagnostics https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On-board_diagnostics
- dylan604 8mo agoI make typos like that lot. The one that is most common for me is CVS instead of CSV. No, this isn't a list of things to get from the drug store ::facepalm::
- stetrain 8mo agoThe point is that for your phone to provide accurate routing, it needs data from the car. Preferably live updating data. Today this is done via an OBD Bluetooth adapter or via CarPlay/Android Auto APIs that allow the phone to get data from the car.
- Apocryphon 8mo agoI believe Tesla use/d Godot in their automative entertainment-instrumentation system.
- gentleman11 8mo agoThe dream. Although a map display would be nice to keep us from needing to fiddle with our phones. And backup camera
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- dgently7 8mo agodo you know about the slate truck? give it a search. it doesn't even come with speakers. or electric windows. or paint. it does have a backup camera afaik.
- AngryData 8mo agoNo because more basic cars have much lower profit margins while requiring higher volume and investors/capitalists will not accept that. Why earn 5% on their investment selling a million cars and building brand name when they can instead earn 20% on selling 100,000 cars at the expense of a brand name they never cared about maintaining in the first place? Brand tarnishment is something other smucks will have to deal with down the road, not the guys making these decisions right now who get performance "bonuses" and not the shareholders that want large returns.
- ashleyn 8mo agoI feel like "game engine" is a misnomer for what we're actually dealing with here. It's more like an "ECS-based scene rendering engine, which can be used for games or for advanced UI". But that doesn't have a succinct label yet.
- munificent 8mo agoI think "game engine" is a pretty succinct label for that. :)
- nelsonic 8mo agoYou’re describing the Slate truck. Really hope they deliver what they’ve promised.
- dotancohen 8mo agoThe last car that I remember being just an engine and seats was the Dodge Viper. I think some K class Japanese domestic vehicles are also likewise basic. I loved the Viper, but its spartan interior and features list were its detriment.
- parpfish 8mo agoBut once they replace gas engine with electric motor, car has NO engine. Gotta slip in a game engine.
- Kapura 8mo agodawg idk how you have a car that's "electric" and also "basic." everything in an electric car is _necessarily_ mediated by software. if you want a simple car, you want combustion.
- hamdingers 8mo agoBasic does not mean "no software" it means "no cellular modem" and "no 15 inch tablet" and "no subscription based features" There is functionally no difference between the powertrain of an electric road car and a brushless drill. How much software is there in your brushless drill? More than zero, far less than an electric road car.
- oceansky 8mo ago"Nice car. What kind of engine does it have?" "V8" "Which kind of V8?"
- osullivj 8mo agoFlat plane or cross plane? Cross plane cranks necessitate an asymmetric firing order, which produces the wonderful burble from US V8s. Flat plane is more common in Europe - think Ferrari - and has a symmetric firing order that produces a toneless metallic howl.
- oceansky 8mo agoI was talking about the Chrome kind of v8. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V8_(JavaScript_engine) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V8_(JavaScript_engine)
- m0llusk 8mo ago> Funny how “game engines” are now car parts in 2026. Seems almost inevitable. Game engines end up supporting user interface elements and text with translations, but with an emphasis on simplicity, performance, and robustness. Many currently trending user interface stacks readily generate bursts of complexity, have poor performance even with simple usage, and are buggy and crash prone.
- jonshariat 8mo agoSlate auto is doing exactly that. They have pre-orders too. I'm waiting until I can test drive but it looks really interesting.
- m463 8mo ago> a car and nothing else sounds like slate: https://www.slate.auto/en https://www.slate.auto/en
- aylmao 8mo agoFirst we got cars in game engines, and now we get game engines in cars too.
- binkHN 8mo agoRivian uses the Unreal engine.
- scubadude 8mo agoIt's flipped, so you now get a little petrol 4 stroke engine powering the game console in your electric car.
- michaelbuckbee 8mo agoKinda sorta the Slate truck - https://www.slate.auto/en https://www.slate.auto/en Their pitch is to ship a pretty minimal platform that you can customize up as you want it.
- jayd16 8mo agoI guess they mean a car's console. Not a game console.
- quietbritishjim 8mo agoI think they do mean game console. The phrase "console-grade" appears right next to the word "game" (in "console-grade game engine") and the title "Console-grade 3D Rendering" on the page appears next to a selection of 3D scenes that seem like overkill for a car console.