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Irish man detained by ICE for 5 months

182 points by cauliflower99 8mo ago

TitaRusell 8mo ago
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- goatlover 8mo ago
  Why is it understandable that ICE goes after people from developing countries? That being said, I don't know how ICE is allowed to detain anyone for months and move them around so they're hard to locate. Sounds extremely illegal and unconstitutional. Don't know why anyone supports this BS. Really makes me feel sad for my country.
  - danudey 8mo ago
    I think the implication is that people from third-world countries want what the US has so they're likely to take more risks to come to/stay in the US, whereas visitors from other western countries are less likely to stay because they have less to gain and more to lose if they're caught. It comes across as pretty racist the way they said it, but a charitable interpretation does make sense despite that.
- muricula 8mo ago
  So you don't care if injustice happens to other people, only if it could happen to you?
  - unethical_ban 8mo ago
    I had a family member imply that it's okay for ICE to stop and harass non white people because "let's face it, most illegals aren't white". Rights are optional, for other people.
rayiner 8mo ago
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- pavel_lishin 8mo ago
  > The man concedes he came to the U.S. illegally. Not according to the article? > "And I did, I complied with everything they said. They asked me if I had a Green Card, I said I didn't, I said I was married to a citizen and that I had a marriage-based petition in place and I was just about to receive my Green Card and that I had a work permit to be here and work." > He said he had received the work permit about "a month or so earlier", so as far as he knew he was covered.
  - 0xy 8mo ago
    You are completely incorrect. An Employment Authorization Document, which he is referring to, does not imply or confer ANY immigration status.
    - nextaccountic 8mo ago
      https://universityfinance.richmond.edu/payroll/international/employment/authorization.html https://universityfinance.richmond.edu/payroll/international... An EAD gives a person legal status to work in the United States but has fewer privileges than a green card.
      - 0xy 8mo ago
        Again, completely false. An EAD does not issue ANY immigration status, period. He had no legal status prior to marriage and still has no legal status because he has no green card and has racked up 20 years of overstay. EADs are not issued to people with immigration status (eg. citizens or permanent residents). It is ONLY issued to those with no status.
        reverius42 8mo ago
        If "immigration" and "work authorization" are two completely different things, are you claiming that everyone in the US on a work visa is an "illegal immigrant"? Surely "having work authorization" counts as some kind of legal status or we wouldn't have people on work visas at all.
josefritzishere 8mo ago
Increasingly this seems like a scam intended to re-route my tax dollars into the private prison corporations that donate to the Trump campaign. What purpose other purpose could this possibly serve?
- pixl97 8mo ago
  Getting Americans used to imprisoning every one they want.
- rayiner 8mo ago
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  - deleted 8mo ago
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  - goatlover 8mo ago
    Australia's mandatory detention is controversial. I don't see why people need to be detained while they have ongoing court cases. I don't see what harm an undocumented person causes by simply being in the country. Most of them are not criminals, they're just here for better living conditions, work opportunities or family. Moving people around detention centers to hide them from lawyers and families, while too often ignoring court orders and due process is also extremely concerning. As are the poor conditions often reported in these detention facilities. The process should be humane and legal.
    - rayiner 8mo ago
      > I don't see why people need to be detained while they have ongoing court cases. Because it turns the immigration system on its head. People come to the U.S., stay for years while court proceedings drag on, and in most cases the government eventually gives up. The U.S. issues 65,000 or so skilled worker visas annually, but over a million people enter illegally. At that point, why even bother having an immigration system? > Most of them are not criminals, they're just here for better living conditions, work opportunities or family. Do you think keeping out criminals is why we have an immigration system?
ghouse 8mo ago
Due process under the US Constitution protects everyone in the US, not just US citizens.
- rayiner 8mo ago
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  - nyeah 8mo ago
    The man clearly states that he is here legally, under a work permit.
  - asacrowflies 8mo ago
    Constitution also garuntees a speedy trial and specifically calls out these type of long detentions without conviction or trial being used as punishment.
  - ghouse 8mo ago
    The Sixth Amendment guarantees the right to a speedy, public trial in criminal prosecutions, protecting defendants from excessive, prejudicial delays between indictment or arrest and trial.
    - throwway120385 8mo ago
      There's also a line in the Constitution about "cruel and unusual punishment" which this would surely fit.
    - guywithahat 8mo ago
      Sure but the courts have ruled that a "speedy trial" can take years (I don't agree with this, it's just what the courts have decided). Additionally if you're not a US citizen you don't necessarily have all the same rights as a citizen, and your case is processed in civil court. Anyone can be detained, and a good judge won't release illegal immigrants from detention since they're just not going to return to court until after their hearing.
  - 8mo ago
cdrnsf 8mo ago
Regardless of the circumstances, if you're not a US citizen I would encourage you to not travel to the US. Even if you _are_ a US citizen you may well be harassed and abused by ICE.
- NedF 8mo ago
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- zombot 8mo ago
  That's how terror works, it can hit anyone, any time.
- 0xy 8mo ago
  The Irish man you're referring to fled Ireland because of drug dealing charges, by the way. He's a fugitive.
  - cdrnsf 8mo ago
    The situation would have been handled appropriately under previous administrations without deploying a paramilitary to kill civilians in the street.
    - 0xy 7mo ago
      Oh really? Tell me more about this appropriate handling, let's start with Bill Clinton and Obama. [1] [2] [1] https://arc-anglerfish-washpost-prod-washpost.s3.amazonaws.com/public/EU2PLBAPSUI6VESMWNGQTO6JJA.jpg https://arc-anglerfish-washpost-prod-washpost.s3.amazonaws.c... [2] https://www.washingtonpost.com/immigration/kids-in-cages-debate-trump-obama/2020/10/23/8ff96f3c-1532-11eb-82af-864652063d61_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/immigration/kids-in-cages-deb...
unethical_ban 8mo ago
[edit- not accurate currently]
- johnnyanmac 8mo ago
  Looks like this actually got unflagged if it was flagged before. That's rare here.
xphos 8mo ago
Court doc was hidden by flagged post [1] https://www.universalhub.com/files/attachments/2026/culleton-ruling.pdf https://www.universalhub.com/files/attachments/2026/culleton...

182 points by cauliflower99 8mo ago

TitaRusell 8mo ago

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goatlover 8mo ago
Why is it understandable that ICE goes after people from developing countries? That being said, I don't know how ICE is allowed to detain anyone for months and move them around so they're hard to locate. Sounds extremely illegal and unconstitutional. Don't know why anyone supports this BS. Really makes me feel sad for my country.
- danudey 8mo ago
  I think the implication is that people from third-world countries want what the US has so they're likely to take more risks to come to/stay in the US, whereas visitors from other western countries are less likely to stay because they have less to gain and more to lose if they're caught. It comes across as pretty racist the way they said it, but a charitable interpretation does make sense despite that.
muricula 8mo ago
So you don't care if injustice happens to other people, only if it could happen to you?
- unethical_ban 8mo ago
  I had a family member imply that it's okay for ICE to stop and harass non white people because "let's face it, most illegals aren't white". Rights are optional, for other people.

rayiner 8mo ago

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pavel_lishin 8mo ago
> The man concedes he came to the U.S. illegally. Not according to the article? > "And I did, I complied with everything they said. They asked me if I had a Green Card, I said I didn't, I said I was married to a citizen and that I had a marriage-based petition in place and I was just about to receive my Green Card and that I had a work permit to be here and work." > He said he had received the work permit about "a month or so earlier", so as far as he knew he was covered.
- 0xy 8mo ago
  You are completely incorrect. An Employment Authorization Document, which he is referring to, does not imply or confer ANY immigration status.
  - nextaccountic 8mo ago
    https://universityfinance.richmond.edu/payroll/international/employment/authorization.html https://universityfinance.richmond.edu/payroll/international... An EAD gives a person legal status to work in the United States but has fewer privileges than a green card.
    - 0xy 8mo ago
      Again, completely false. An EAD does not issue ANY immigration status, period. He had no legal status prior to marriage and still has no legal status because he has no green card and has racked up 20 years of overstay. EADs are not issued to people with immigration status (eg. citizens or permanent residents). It is ONLY issued to those with no status.
      - reverius42 8mo ago
        If "immigration" and "work authorization" are two completely different things, are you claiming that everyone in the US on a work visa is an "illegal immigrant"? Surely "having work authorization" counts as some kind of legal status or we wouldn't have people on work visas at all.

josefritzishere 8mo ago

Increasingly this seems like a scam intended to re-route my tax dollars into the private prison corporations that donate to the Trump campaign. What purpose other purpose could this possibly serve?

pixl97 8mo ago
Getting Americans used to imprisoning every one they want.
rayiner 8mo ago
[flagged]
- deleted 8mo ago
  [deleted]
- goatlover 8mo ago
  Australia's mandatory detention is controversial. I don't see why people need to be detained while they have ongoing court cases. I don't see what harm an undocumented person causes by simply being in the country. Most of them are not criminals, they're just here for better living conditions, work opportunities or family. Moving people around detention centers to hide them from lawyers and families, while too often ignoring court orders and due process is also extremely concerning. As are the poor conditions often reported in these detention facilities. The process should be humane and legal.
  - rayiner 8mo ago
    > I don't see why people need to be detained while they have ongoing court cases. Because it turns the immigration system on its head. People come to the U.S., stay for years while court proceedings drag on, and in most cases the government eventually gives up. The U.S. issues 65,000 or so skilled worker visas annually, but over a million people enter illegally. At that point, why even bother having an immigration system? > Most of them are not criminals, they're just here for better living conditions, work opportunities or family. Do you think keeping out criminals is why we have an immigration system?

ghouse 8mo ago

Due process under the US Constitution protects everyone in the US, not just US citizens.

rayiner 8mo ago
[flagged]
- nyeah 8mo ago
  The man clearly states that he is here legally, under a work permit.
- asacrowflies 8mo ago
  Constitution also garuntees a speedy trial and specifically calls out these type of long detentions without conviction or trial being used as punishment.
- ghouse 8mo ago
  The Sixth Amendment guarantees the right to a speedy, public trial in criminal prosecutions, protecting defendants from excessive, prejudicial delays between indictment or arrest and trial.
  - throwway120385 8mo ago
    There's also a line in the Constitution about "cruel and unusual punishment" which this would surely fit.
  - guywithahat 8mo ago
    Sure but the courts have ruled that a "speedy trial" can take years (I don't agree with this, it's just what the courts have decided). Additionally if you're not a US citizen you don't necessarily have all the same rights as a citizen, and your case is processed in civil court. Anyone can be detained, and a good judge won't release illegal immigrants from detention since they're just not going to return to court until after their hearing.
- 8mo ago

cdrnsf 8mo ago

Regardless of the circumstances, if you're not a US citizen I would encourage you to not travel to the US. Even if you _are_ a US citizen you may well be harassed and abused by ICE.

NedF 8mo ago
[dead]
zombot 8mo ago
That's how terror works, it can hit anyone, any time.
0xy 8mo ago
The Irish man you're referring to fled Ireland because of drug dealing charges, by the way. He's a fugitive.
- cdrnsf 8mo ago
  The situation would have been handled appropriately under previous administrations without deploying a paramilitary to kill civilians in the street.
  - 0xy 7mo ago
    Oh really? Tell me more about this appropriate handling, let's start with Bill Clinton and Obama. [1] [2] [1] https://arc-anglerfish-washpost-prod-washpost.s3.amazonaws.com/public/EU2PLBAPSUI6VESMWNGQTO6JJA.jpg https://arc-anglerfish-washpost-prod-washpost.s3.amazonaws.c... [2] https://www.washingtonpost.com/immigration/kids-in-cages-debate-trump-obama/2020/10/23/8ff96f3c-1532-11eb-82af-864652063d61_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/immigration/kids-in-cages-deb...

unethical_ban 8mo ago

[edit- not accurate currently]

johnnyanmac 8mo ago
Looks like this actually got unflagged if it was flagged before. That's rare here.

xphos 8mo ago

Court doc was hidden by flagged post [1] https://www.universalhub.com/files/attachments/2026/culleton-ruling.pdf https://www.universalhub.com/files/attachments/2026/culleton...