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You’re out of your mind if you think I’m gonna upload ID to use a “shitposting about video games with friends” service.
by throwatdem12311 9mo ago
You’re out of your mind if you think I’m gonna upload ID to use a “shitposting about video games with friends” service.
- canada_dry 9mo agoTo protect my privacy, I have a photoshopped drivers license with a photo of my dog that I've successfully used for verification (e.g. AirBnB) in the past. Though, with AI being used I suspect it wouldn't pass any longer.
- chimpanzee2 9mo agowdym, how did your dog driver license even pass before AI ?!
- vikkymelani 9mo ago[dead]
- zdragnar 9mo agoThe tech used some variant of OCR, presumably
- canada_dry 9mo agoHe's a handsome boy. Guessing they probably just ran some rudimentary OCR on the image to compare the name and DOB. I modified the actual license# as well as the picture.
- HaZeust 9mo agoWell then what was the point? If you gave them an ID that matches your name and DOB, they still got an identity vector that can conclusively match to your physical, government-acknowledged identity. Not having a correct photo or license number didn't really mean anything to them if their OCR didn't have any half-decent verification that would look at the fields where that information was expected to be, anyway.
- goodpoint 9mo agowell, any dog can pass the driving exam in US
- layer8 9mo agoIt used to be that on the internet, nobody knows you’re a dog. ;)
- chickensong 9mo agoThe perfect reply. Hats off to you, good sir.
- egorfine 9mo ago* on fidonet
- viccis 9mo agoYoutube flagged one of my accounts as a teenager because I watched a few pop videos (lol) and I was not able to trick it with fake IDs, though I didn't try all that hard.
- everdrive 9mo agoI've been grabbing music from youtube for years. I don't mean commercial music. I mean talented enthusiast who does not sell their music anywhere. Rest assured, it will absolutely be gone one day, and they way things are going, it feels like it will be sooner rather than later.
- direwolf20 9mo agoThe Distributed YouTube Archive project is, sadly, on Discord.
- thatguy0900 9mo agoJust use Ai to make a non existent human face, might as well
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- dawnerd 9mo agoThere was a story a bit ago about people using video of someone turning their head from side to side to trick these systems. And of course naturally people will easily get past it.
- krick 9mo agoHuh. Can you do that? I wonder what is legal status of this. I used to make all sorts of fake IDs (pretty good ones!) when I was a teen (you know, for purposes such as going to clubs, buying alcohol), but of course this is literally a crime, and not even a "minor" one. Apparently, back then it didn't bother me much, but with age I became more cowardly, I must admit. So now I use my passport data more often than not, even though I am not really a fan of the idea of giving a scan of your documents to some random guy on AirBnB (although, with some obvious caption photoshopped on top, to make the scan less re-usable). I mean, it's just a matter of fact that everyone requires them, and it also has that weird status of "semi-secret thing" that you are somehow aren't supposed to give to anyone, and I still have close to zero understanding of how that works. So, I suppose you shouldn't give your fake id (digital or physical) to a government officials. It also seems "obvious" that it's similarly unwise to give it to a bank. But you can do that to a random guy on AirBnB? A hotel? To a delivery service (Uber/Wolt/whatever)? Dicsord? Where is the line between a bank (a private commercial corporation) and Discord (a private commercial corporation)?
- gambiting 9mo ago>>But you can do that to a random guy on AirBnB? A hotel? To a delivery service (Uber/Wolt/whatever)? The "legal" line is usually around fraud - trying to obtain some financial gain by providing false information. There is nothing to gain by giving a fake ID to discord - but it probably violates some rules around unathorized access to computer systems.
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- bagels 9mo agoIt's definitely fraud, the consideration is access to their service.
- heavyset_go 9mo agoIt's still fraud
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- michaelcampbell 9mo agoI found a picture of someone my age, gender, and background and used that in the past for some things. But not even worth that effort for this. Not a subscriber, but probably won't ever use it again, either.
- ikiris 9mo agoYou do realize this is wire fraud right?
- bink 9mo agoWire fraud is more than just lying to someone over the Internet. It requires a financial gain.
- leroy-is-here 9mo agoI tried to do this when LinkedIn forced me to upload an ID. It didn't work unfortunately. I see the good in this but I know it will be abused. I want to run away but I don't foresee any way that the powers-that-be will let the common person use the Internet without an approved ID in the future.
- markus_zhang 9mo agoThis gives me some idea: just use AI to generate an ID.
- sunaookami 9mo agoYeah, I've been warning everyone about the consequences but nobody wanted to hear it. So do people still want a general social media ban for teens?
- qball 9mo agoEverybody hates teenagers, so yes. It's not really about protecting them; people that claim this is the case are generally doing so to launder that hatred.
- AlexandrB 9mo agoThis is the kind of thing I would have posted while in High School.
- eimrine 9mo agoBrilliant observation! I would like to make the statement more precise: not hate/hatred but jealousy.
- JoshTriplett 9mo agoThey're not hated, they're just treated as non-entities that aren't assumed to have or need any agency. People under 18 are the largest disenfranchised block of citizens.
- johnnyanmac 9mo agoI mean, yes. Because we don't give kids all their rights yet. That's fair in many regards (not all. Having schools able to silence dissent legally feels all sorts of wrong). It also add protections, like not letting a 12 yo work in a coal mine or be sent to war. More importantly, it's a powerful political spin used to justify often heinous actions. People want to protect kids.
- Gud 9mo agoAbsolutely. Social media and its consequences has been a disaster for the human race. Ban it for everyone.
- xg15 9mo agoThen use that server without age verification?
- ikekkdcjkfke 9mo agoI’ll vibe code that sh*t in a sitting
- mapontosevenths 9mo agoSeriously, and probably do a better job of it. Electron. Yuck. The problem isn't the platform, it's getting a critical mass of users. Until everyone is using it, nobody is.
- isatty 9mo agoYou can say “shit” on the internet.
- qingcharles 9mo agoOnly if you let them scan your face first, comrade.
- hiccuphippo 9mo agoPlease do and write about it, whether it goes well or not.
- unethical_ban 9mo agoI have discord for gaming communities, but also for political communities. Pod Save America has a discord with thousands of users talking political things. While I don't mask my identity there, I sure don't want Discord preemptively linking my state ID to my person. Screw that.
- thatguy0900 9mo agoIf you're worried about government retaliation they can already figure out who you are from what discord has, especially with a justice department that doesn't really even care about looking like they're following the law
- unethical_ban 9mo agoWe shouldn't reward their data collection and AI surveillance bullshit with apathy, though.
- thatguy0900 9mo agoFor sure, I'm just saying if you're in a political discord depending on what exactly is being discussed you should really be aware you already are certainly not anonymous to the gov if they don't want you to be
- mywittyname 9mo agoGovernment, sure. But it's the non-government entities you really need to be worried about. There are plenty of brokers buying up this data, making up assertions/predictions about the data, then selling it along downstream to secondary vendors who just blindly accept the data as true. These are how people online get doxxed. It's not the government or FBI, it's these brokers who mine/buy data from sites/credit bureaus/local governments, link them across various social media, then build out profiles of individuals that they then sell to anyone with a big enough check book. I've looked into these vendors before and their profiles on people are often wrong on several dimensions. So you don't want to do anything that's going to increase their ability to map you across the internet, because that's just going to improve their ability to identify you, while still selling lies about your personality.
- AstroBen 9mo agoDiscord hasn't been video game only for a long time
- x0x0 9mo agoI think Discord is trapped in an ugly place: 1 - Piles of parents too stupid or lazy to, well, parent the children they made; 2 - A very reasonable societal expectation that it shouldn't be easy for young kids to access, or even be exposed, to the worst dregs of the internet; 3 - Very different use cases (gaming, kids stuff, free/affordable slack for communities) all on the same platform; 4 - A pile of morons in legislatures who insist there's a magic highly private way to do all this, but (see Australia) refuse to lay out the actual method. It's a government-wide game of underwear gnomes.
- idiotsecant 9mo agoHow reasonable is this expectation? All you do by intituting these draconian 'wont someone please think of the children' ID laws is make it marginally more difficult to access mainstream services where there's not much crazy bad stuff anyway. The rest of the internet is the wild west, and good luck controlling that. The whole thing is security theater designed to conceal the fact that child security is not the objective, it's the justification.
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- jimbob45 9mo agoThat’s not a reasonable societal expectation. That should be an expectation of the parents to follow through on.
- JoshTriplett 9mo ago> A pile of morons in legislatures who insist there's a magic highly private way to do all this, but (see Australia) refuse to lay out the actual method. This is a case where there's plenty of evidence that it's actual malice, not just incompetence. Leaving aside that this shouldn't be done at all, there is no desire to do this in a privacy-preserving way, because destroying anonymity and controlling online discourse is the point for governments, not the "unintentional" side effect to be avoided. "Think of the children" is just the excuse to get people to unknowingly buy in, just as it has been for generations. https://bsky.app/profile/tupped.bsky.social/post/3lwgcmswmy222 https://bsky.app/profile/tupped.bsky.social/post/3lwgcmswmy2...
- ActorNightly 9mo agoAll social media websites should require id tbh. This is the new public town square - everyone should have a voice, but nobody should escape the consequences of using that voice to peddle bullshit.
- JoshTriplett 9mo agoFeel free to go make a social media website that requires ID. What you are claiming is that websites that don't require ID should be destroyed. No.
- johnnyanmac 9mo agoI don't need a public ID to sit in my local park nor shop for most things on Main Street. >nobody should escape the consequences of using that voice to peddle bullshit. We can already do that without needing ID stored on servers. Blame lazy enforcement with an incentive to retain even bad customers.
- gambiting 9mo agoExcept that is clearly not how it works. Spend 5 minutes on facebook, and you will quickly realize that people have absolutely no problem spewing the most disgusting racist, xenophobic shit you have ever seen in your life, while their full names and pictures of them hugging their granchildren are there for everyone to see. >> nobody should escape the consequences There are no consequences whatsoever for this.
- 7bit 9mo agoI've never been to a town square where I had to let some random person photograph my face or tell me to leave.
- selfmodruntime 9mo agoI'd never thought I'd see advocates against privacy on HN of all places but here we are.
- int_19h 9mo agoThe old town square had anonymous pamphleteers.
- Mashimo 9mo agoYou don't have to, you just can't access NSFW channels and servers.
- FreePalestine1 9mo agoI believe what you said is correct and this headline is incredibly misleading. Most people should not need to upload any ID. If you are so addicted to NSFW content on Discord, then it is a different story.
- MSFT_Edging 9mo agoI'm in a small server that's marked NSFW, not because the purpose is to share porn, but because without the server owner checking that box, Discord with use content filters wherever it deems necessary. Lots of servers just hit the nsfw checkbox to avoid the discord nanny tsk tsking them all the time. I would have to verify my ID to talk to those friends.
- Mashimo 9mo ago> I would have to verify my ID to talk to those friends. Or they uncheck that box.
- tokioyoyo 9mo agoI’m giving it exactly 2 weeks after implementation for most people to just suck it up and upload their IDs. I can’t think of a single “this new thing will break the service, people will mass quit!” thing every working out. Sure, some users left. But super majority, who has already built communities and are depended on it just keep churning. Privacy and all that jazz aren’t that important to an average person. Everyone’s IDs are already circulating in a mix of Tinder, AirBnB, Twitter, <any random other app that just requires it>.
- bee_rider 9mo agoEh, I dunno, there’s a free chat app lifecycle that they all pretty predictably go through and Discord is getting a bit long in the tooth.
- tokioyoyo 9mo agoBut any prominent app will be pressured to have ID verification in the end, no? Also, Discord's roots are very heavy, people are too invested with historical data and etc. I don't even see an alternative to it right now.
- bee_rider 9mo agoWRT the verification, it is a symptom of the fact that Discord is entering the monetization phase. So, I don’t think it will be the thing that causes people to leave. It is just an interesting road mark along the way. WRT the stickiness, I just use Discord as a site to chat with my friends. Based on other comments, some folks use it as more like a social-media site. So, maybe I just don’t see the roots. If it is more like a social media site, it might survive in that lingering state that sites like Facebook have.
- Mashimo 9mo ago> I’m giving it exactly 2 weeks after implementation for most people to just suck it up and upload their IDs. I don't most people will even notice, as they are not in age restricted servers or channels.