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> They are closer to Antifa than they are anything else. So they just said "These people are anti-fascist and this is a bad thing" Aren't authoritarians great
by pixl97 9mo ago
> They are closer to Antifa than they are anything else.
So they just said "These people are anti-fascist and this is a bad thing"
Aren't authoritarians great.
- lowkey_ 9mo ago[flagged]
- lazyasciiart 9mo agoPresumably you mean that it is commonly presented that way by authoritarians who have no idea what they are talking about.
- qu4z-2 9mo agoYou can disagree, but "Presumably you meant the opposite of what you said" is condescending nonsense.
- idle_zealot 9mo agoIt's the most charitable interpretation. I think HN rules require that you give others the benefit of the doubt and assume that most charitable case.
- Ar-Curunir 9mo agoHe gave you a charitable interpretation of your absolutely nonsense comment.
- RealityVoid 9mo agoIt's wild what the perception is in the right echo chamber right now. I was talking with my brother, who I love, but who, through his practicing Christian faith is essentially pulled into this right-wing cultural environment and propaganda machine. So he was making the point that the politics in the US have drifted so much more to the left that the right is actually the center. My jaw dropped off the floor. How do these thing even get propagated? It's borderline ridiculous and I don't know how this firehouse of bullshit can ever be countered.
- sanktanglia 9mo agoAhh yes let's list out the people who have been silenced by antifa....oh yeah that didn't happen
- lowkey_ 9mo agoGoogle "Antifa silences speaker," and you'll find literally hundreds of cases of exactly that (I just did to verify).
- pixl97 9mo agoAh yes, when the first result on Google is from a group known as a right wing think tank... >American Enterprise Institute, a prominent center-right think tank in Washington, D.C., that promotes free enterprise, limited government, and individual liberty through research and policy advocacy in areas like economics, foreign policy, and social studies I too can get paid think tanks to publish hundreds of reports on how communists are taking over America... Doesn't mean communists are actually taking over America.
- lowkey_ 9mo ago[flagged]
- thunderfork 9mo agoThrough what mechanism do they "shut down speech"?
- direwolf20 9mo agoWhen a Nazi wants to speak on a college campus, they point out the speaker is a Nazi and the administration cancels the speaking appointment. But not really, because administrations are fine with Nazis giving speeches. The actual reality is that 5-20 people stand near the speaking place with picket signs reading "this guy is a Nazi". The Nazi speaks as planned, and the listeners (who are also Nazis) complain the speech was shut down. Joe Rogan called himself cancelled. Literally the biggest podcaster in the world who says anything he wants to. Complains that he can't say anything and has no audience. It's all grift.
- kadoban 9mo ago> Antifa is commonly known as an ironically fascist organization that uses violence and intimidation to silence speakers — it's like how the "Democratic People's Republic of Korea" is not really democratic. That's not "commonly known", that's the spin you'll get from the right-wing in the US who just happen to have heavy fascist tendencies.
- cortesoft 9mo ago> ironically fascist organization There is no antifa "organization". It is not centralized, there is no "leadership" or anyone in charge. It's more of a philosophy.
- lowkey_ 9mo agoThis is the one response here so far I agree with — I should've said movement to be more accurate.
- cortesoft 9mo agoRight, but that makes it pretty much impossible to stop anyone from claiming to be antifa or anyone accusing someone of being antifa... a lot of people will accuse anyone who is doing anything they don't like as being antifa
- jasonwatkinspdx 9mo agoI live in Portland. I've met many people that label themselves antifa. They're just protestors that are willing to be a little more aggro. That's literally it. So when people talk about antifa as if it was the left wing equivalent of Osama Bin Laden's terror network, it's a self report they're forming their views based on strawman style propaganda, not engaging with the reality of it.
- protocolture 9mo agoTheres no organisation but they are well organised in a distributed sense. Horizontally, theres lots of tradecraft and opsec details that get spread around to help people fight. Thing is, theres no central pillar you can break to stop that spread. What gets me is how right wing protesters specifically eschew good opsec. "mask off rallys", visible tattoos etc. They love the police state and then look like idiots when that big police state they demanded rounds them up with absolute ease because they took selfies with their swastikas out during a protest.
- direwolf20 9mo agoPolice states usually don't round up right wing protestors because the state is just as right wing as the protestors
- gruez 9mo ago>So they just said "These people are anti-fascist and this is a bad thing" A: "Hey guys, I think think this PATRIOT act thing is bad" B: "Wait, you're saying patriots are bad? What are you, some sort of seditious non-patriot?"
- pixl97 9mo agoAh yes, I too conflate bills written by organized lobbyists with a loosely affiliated group that says American shouldn't be ran by Nazi's. The Nazi's running America get very mad about that and ensure to flood the airwaves with how cities in the US are mile wide smoking craters due to people who don't like authoritarians.
- gruez 9mo ago[flagged]
- amanaplanacanal 9mo agoBeing opposed to antifa because some of the people using the label are violent seems to be painting with an overly broad brush.
- direwolf20 9mo ago"I'm opposed to atheism because some atheists are violent. I'm also opposed to vegetarianism because some vegetarians are violent." You know what's telling? They're only ever against one side. Some anti–antifa are violent too, but they never care about that.
- watwut 9mo ago> Approximately nobody is against "antifa" because they're fighting "fascists". So, I will say that far right, comservatives and fascists are against anti-fascism of any kind. Whether it is the boogeyman antifa or anything else. And there are a lot of people like that. Including in goverment. They do take issue with anyone who openly opposes fascism.
- GolfPopper 9mo agoGreat at telling everyone else what they are, at least.
- seneca 9mo ago[flagged]
- xp84 9mo agoPretty sure most who claim the mantle of “Antifa” would welcome that Communist label, and plenty would endorse violence if it’s against the “right” people, so if the shoe fits…
- idiotsecant 9mo agoThe air quotes around 'right' are interesting there. Yes, violence against Nazis and Fascists is acceptable. Do you disagree? I thought it was pretty much settled, we did a whole world war about it.
- schmidtleonard 9mo agoWWII revisionism is back in fashion these days, even in spaces that historically would have been only mildly to the right of center.
- some_random 9mo agoThe trouble with that logic is that we also had a fair few wars against Communists.
- riotnrrd 9mo agoWe'll worry about that when the Presidency and both houses of Congress are controlled by the Communist Party
- jmye 9mo agoWhat is a communist? And before you respond with a tautology, I’ll just ask - what is communism, and when have we fought anyone practicing it? Surely you’re not using scare words you don’t understand. Right?
- xp84 9mo ago
- lo_zamoyski 9mo agoBy your logic, if the NSDAP or the Bolsheviks named themselves "The Party of Peace and Love", you would have written > So they just said "These people are anti-violence and anti-hate and this is a bad thing" (Frankly, our political situation is rife with insanity. I think the hotheads across the political spectrum need more nous and less thumos.)
- wat10000 9mo ago"Despite the name, The Party of Peace and Love is actually authoritarian and horribly repressive, as you can see from the millions of people they've killed." "Despite the name, Antifa is not just 'anti-fascist' but is actually _________" What goes in the blank?
- dsr_ 9mo ago__an identity claimed by people who are taking direct action against what they perceive as fascism, but currently more often the term is applied as an unthinking boogeyman by right wing authoritarians__
- direwolf20 9mo agoThe question was what antifa actually is not what right wing authoritarians say it is
- dsr_ 9mo ago"an identity claimed by people who are taking direct action against what they perceive as fascism"
- otikik 9mo agoThe blank is "the OTHER group". Like brown people, poor people, and (say it quickly so it doesn't get too noticed) women. And anyone from the OTHER group is the enemy. Stop thinking, you have arrived to the conclusion. Now, here are some news ... I mean, entertainment, to make you fear them more.