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We need more residential proxies, not less. I've had enough of companies saying "you're connecting from an AWS IP address, therefore you aren't allowed in, or
by londons_explore 9mo ago
We need more residential proxies, not less.
I've had enough of companies saying "you're connecting from an AWS IP address, therefore you aren't allowed in, or must buy enterprise licensing". Reddit is an example which totally blocks all data to non-residential IP's.
I want exactly the same content visible no matter who you are or where you are connecting from, and a robust network of residential proxies is a stepping stone to achieving that.
- packetslave 9mo ago[flagged]
- direwolf20 9mo agoHave you tried it? Every new account will be shadowbanned and if it's shared you often get blank page 429. None of this was true before the API shutdown.
- gruez 9mo ago>Every new account will be shadowbanned That's not the same as "blocks all data to non-residential IP's"? >if it's shared you often get blank page 429. None of this was true before the API shutdown. See my other comment. I agree there's a non-zero amount of VPNs that are banned from reddit, but it's also not particularly hard to find a VPN that's not banned on reddit.
- interloxia 9mo agoProbably not hard but my poor little innocent VPS at Hetzer that I have had for years is denied and that makes me sad.
- 3rodents 9mo agoThat’s not my experience, using various VPNs, public networks, Cloudflare and Apple private relays. A captcha is common when logged out but that’s about it, I have not encountered any shadow bans. I create a new account each week.
- hackeman300 9mo agoTry browsing from any Mullvad vpn. You will be "blocked by network security"
- gruez 9mo agoThat's just mullvad's IP pool being banned. The other VPN providers I use aren't banned, or at least are only intermittently banned that I can easily switch to another server.
- edoceo 9mo agoI use mullvad regularly & visit reddit from that connection - it works. But! You have to sign-in.
- yuliyp 9mo ago... if you're logged out. Log in so they don't have to lump you in with every scraper you're sharing a subnet with.
- piskov 9mo agoYes you do. Private VPS for personal VPN in Netherlands (digital ocean), then Hungary (some small local DC) — both are blocked from day one. > You've been blocked by network security. To continue, log in to your Reddit account or use your developer token. If you think you've been blocked by mistake, file a ticket below and we'll look into it.
- Imustaskforhelp 9mo agoProton VPN sometimes (mostly?) has this issue too. It's a bit of an hit or miss in there iirc but I have definitely seen the last message of your comment.
- what 9mo agoSounds like you just need to sign in or use the api?
- piskov 9mo agoI don’t have a reddit account; I open it few times a month from search results
- dvngnt_ 9mo agothere are several times where I've had to disable PIA to access reddit's login page
- thot_experiment 9mo agoI have never interacted with a reddit employee who wasn't actively gaslighting me about the platform. Do you even use the site? I talked to a PM recently who genuinely thought the phone app was something people liked.
- direwolf20 9mo agoThey probably get paid by how many people believe their nonsense.
- MBCook 9mo agoThere are people who actively like it. I don’t. But they 100% exist.
- tokyobreakfast 9mo ago[flagged]
- a456463 9mo agoHave you tried using it logged out on a vpn? It is impossible.
- leftouterjoins 9mo agoeverything on Reddit is so locked down it’s useless. even if you do get to post something useful some basement dwelling mod will block it for an arcane interpretation of one of the subreddits 14 rules.
- xg15 9mo agoAlso, nevermind the tech companies building their own proxy networks, such as Find My or Amazon Sidewalk.
- a456463 9mo agoAgreed. With things people paid for and using our wifi data to build their "positioning dbs" that you can't block or turn off on your phone, without "rooting" your own device.
- enneff 9mo agoHow is Find My a proxy network?
- direwolf20 9mo agoIn the literal sense. Your traffic is proxied through devices belonging to unwilling strangers.
- enneff 9mo agoBy “your traffic” you mean device location reports? Or something else?
- DANmode 9mo agoThe data that powers the app tracking your devices, shown on your devices, yes. (What else?)
- enneff 9mo agoI don’t know. I wouldn’t have thought of myself as proxying other people’s traffic by carrying my iPhone around. (For one thing, it’s my own phone that initiates all the activity- it monitors for Apple devices, the devices don’t reach out to my phone.) I can see how you could frame it that way, though. I just thought they might be referring to something else that I didn’t know about.
- direwolf20 9mo agoYou can run one, something like ByteLixir, Traffmonetizer, Honeygain, Pawns, there are lots more, just google "share my internet for money" What will you be proxying? Nobody knows! I haven't had the police at my house yet. Seems a great way to say "fuck you" to companies that block IP addresses. You may see a few more CAPTCHAs. If you have a dynamic IP address, not many.
- dist-epoch 9mo agoHow much can you make if you run all of them at the same time? Doesn't the ISP detect them?
- direwolf20 9mo agolike $3 a month and why would they
- ndiddy 9mo agoIf you look at the article, the network they disrupted pays software vendors per-download to sneakily turn their users into residential proxy endpoints. I'm sure that at least some of the time the user is technically agreeing to some wording buried in the ToS saying they consent to this, but it's certainly unethical. I wouldn't want to proxy traffic from random people through my home network, that's how you get legal threats from media companies or the police called to your house.
- londons_explore 9mo ago> that's how you get legal threats from media companies or the police called to your house. Or residential proxies get so widespread that almost every house has a proxy in, and it becomes the new way the internet works - "for privacy, your data has been routed through someone else's connection at random".
- Imustaskforhelp 9mo ago> Or residential proxies get so widespread that almost every house has a proxy in, and it becomes the new way the internet works - "for privacy, your data has been routed through someone else's connection at random". Is this a re-invention of tor, maybe I2P?
- rolph 9mo agoIP8 address tumbler? to wit, playing the shell game, to obstruct direct attribution.
- chii 9mo ago> Is this a re-invention of tor in a way, yes - the weakness of tor is realistically the lack of widespreadness. Tor traffic is identifiable and blockable due to the relatively rare number of exit nodes (which also makes it dangerous to run exit nodes, as you become "liable"). Engraining the ideas of tor into regular users' internet usage is what would prevent the internet from being controlled and blockable by any actor (except perhaps draconian gov't over reach, which while can happen, is harder in the west).
- BoredPositron 9mo agoI still "run" a small ISP with a few thousand residential ips from my scraping days. The requirements are laughable and costs were negligible in the early 2000s.
- Aurornis 9mo ago> I want exactly the same content visible no matter who you are or where you are connecting from The reason those IP addresses get blocked is not because of "who" is connecting, but "what" Traffic from datacenter address ranges to sites like Reddit is almost entirely bots and scrapers. They can put a tremendous load on your site because many will try to run their queries as fast as they can with as many IPs as they can get. Blocking these IP addresses catches a few false positives, but it's an easy step to make botting and scraping a little more expensive. Residential proxies aren't all that expensive, but now there's a little line item bill that comes with their request volume that makes them think twice. > We need more residential proxies, not less Great, you can always volunteer your home IP address as a start. There are services that will pay you a nominal amount for it, even.
- megous 9mo agoOkay. So what does ten million requests cost, then? Like... a dollar? Is it a dollar? Is it two dollars if they splurge? Because if the deterrent here is a line item so small it shows up as 'miscellaneous vibes' on a balance sheet, that's not a barrier. That's a tip jar.
- Aurornis 9mo agoResidential proxies are often priced by Gigabyte and the pricing is several orders of magnitude higher than your estimate.
- tokyobreakfast 9mo ago> I've had enough of companies saying "you're connecting from an AWS IP address I run a honeypot and the amount of bot traffic coming from AWS is insane. It's like 80% before filtering, and it's 100% illegitimate.
- JDye 9mo agoI live in the UK and can't view a large portion of the internet without having to submit my ID to _every_ site serving anything deemed "not safe the for the children". I had a question about a new piercing and couldn't get info on it from Reddit because of that. I try using a VPN and they're blocked too. Luckily, I work at a copmany selling proxies so I've got free proxies whenever I want, but I shouldn't _need_ to use them. I find it funny that companies like Reddit, who make their money entirely from content produced by users for free (which is also often sourced from other parts of the internet without permission), are so against their site being scraped that they have to objectively ruin the site for everyone using it. See the API changes and killing off of third party apps. Obviously, it's mostly for advertising purposes, but they love to talk about the load scraping puts on their site, even suing AI companies and SerpApi for it. If it's truly that bad, just offer a free API for the scrapers to use - or even an API that works out just slightly cheaper than using proxies... My ideal internet would look something like that, all content free and accessible to everyone.
- Aurornis 9mo ago> that they have to objectively ruin the site for everyone using it. See the API changes and killing off of third party apps. Third party app users were a very small but vocal minority. The API changes didn't drop their traffic at all. In fact, it's only gone up since then. The datacenter IP address blocks aren't just for scrapers, it's an anti-bot measure across the board. I don't spend much time on Reddit but even the few subreddits I visited were starting to become infiltrated by obvious bot accounts doing weird karma farming operations. Even HN routinely gets AI posting bots. It's a common technique to generate upvote rings - Make the accounts post comments so they look real enough, have the bots randomly upvote things to hide activity, and then when someone buys upvotes you have a selection of the puppet accounts upvote the targeted story. Having a lot of IP addresses and generating fake activity is key to making this work, so there's a lot of incentive to do it.
- JDye 9mo agoI agree that write-actions should be protected, especially now when every other person online is a bot. As for read-actions, I'll continue to profit off those being protected too but I wouldn't be too bothered if something suddenly changed and all content across the internet was a lot easier to access programmatically. I think only harm can come from that data being restricted to the huge (nefarious) companies that can pay for that data or negotiate backroom deals.
- a456463 9mo agoThis blog post from the company that used promise "don't be evil", one that steals water for data centers from vilages and towns via shady deals, whose whole premise it stealing other people's stuff and claiming it as their own and locking them out and selling their data.. Who made them the arbiter of the internet? No one!!! They just stole this and get on their high horse to tell people how to use internet? You can eff right off Google.
- crtasm 9mo agoI'm reading reddit.com from a Tor node, they also have a .onion domain you could use.
- Jblx2 9mo agoAnyone know how to create a usable reddit account from the .onion domain?
- phyzome 9mo agoI've tried it, and my account was shadowbanned a few hours after I created it. It's very obnoxious.
- cluckindan 9mo agoReddit bots shadowban almost everyone who post before they have enough comment karma. Nothing to do with Tor or VPN.
- phyzome 9mo agoI didn't try posting, I tried commenting.
- nine_k 9mo agoThere's a company that pays you to keep their box connected to your residential router. I assume it sells residential proxy services, maybe also DDoS services, I don't know. It's aptly named Absurd Computing.
- yuliyp 9mo agoThe end game of that is no useful content being accessible without login, or needing some sort of other proof-of-legitimacy.
- supertrope 9mo agoAmazon.com now only shows you a few reviews. To see the rest you must login. Social media websites have long gated the carrots behind a login. Anandtech just took their ball and went home by going offline.
- Nextgrid 9mo agoThat's already the case (irrespective of residential proxies) because content only serves as bait for someone to hand over personal information (during signup/login) and then engage with ads. Proxies actually help with that by facilitating mass account registration and scraping of the content without wasting a human's time "engaging" with ads.