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> We’re continuing to make progress toward a version of ChatGPT designed for adults over 18, grounded in the principle of treating adults like adults, and expan
by leumon 9mo ago
> We’re continuing to make progress toward a version of ChatGPT designed for adults over 18, grounded in the principle of treating adults like adults, and expanding user choice and freedom within appropriate safeguards. To support this, we’ve rolled out age prediction for users under 18 in most markets.
https://help.openai.com/en/articles/12652064-age-prediction-in-chatgpt https://help.openai.com/en/articles/12652064-age-prediction-...
interesting
- torben-friis 9mo agoWhat’s the goal there? Sexting? I’m guessing age is needed to serve certain ads and the like, but what’s the value for customers?
- jacquesm 9mo agoPorn has driven just about every bit of progress on the internet, I don't see why AI would be the exception to that rule.
- runarberg 9mo agoThis seems like a believable lie, until you think about it for 2 seconds. No. Porn has not driven even a fraction of the progress on the progress on the internet. Not even close to one.
- jacquesm 9mo agoOk, we'll expand to porn and gambling - images - payment systems - stored video - banner advertising - performance based advertising - affiliation - live video - video chat - fora Etc... AI is a very logical frontier for the porn industry.
- azan_ 9mo agoJust because things can be used for porn, it doesn't mean that it was porn that has driven their progress.
- jacquesm 9mo agoAll of the things above were driven by porn, that can be proven. The AI stuff in the generic sense is not but you can bet that someone somewhere right now is working on improving photo realism of hair, eyes and skintone and they're not doing that to be able to make the next installment of little red riding hood.
- azan_ 9mo agoCan you actually prove it?
- jacquesm 9mo agoYes, I was there for quite a bit of it...
- runarberg 8mo agoa) I don’t believe you, and b) This is exactly the kind of urban legend which tends to proliferate in human society, a cute lie which sounds believable. Like prostitution being the oldest profession, and the great wall of China being the only human made structure visible from space. The story of the Internet is that it was developed in the mid to late 1960s by a couple of Universities in America and used by the US military to share resources across mainframes in each institution, as well as across institutions. Since then them main driver of innovation has been among universities and telecommunication companies finding optimal ways to deliver packages across telephone cables, antenna, satellites, etc. The story of the Web is that it was developed in 1989-1991 to organize and link documents at the CERN research laboratory in Switzerland. Since then the main driver for innovations has been browser vendors competing and collaborating in developing browser technologies such that users pick their browser over the competition. I don‘t know the story of online payment systems, but I bet the main drivers were companies opining up stores on the web and looking to replace pay by wire schemes over the telephone, and a bunch of start-ups who were able to find that market niche, developed software and sold it to those stores. The main driver of innovation here being start-ups. Porn sites and Gambling sites were no more important to that story as any other stores who sold art, golf-clubs, flight tickets, or hotel bookings.
- jasonfarnon 9mo agoI don't remember any of these being "driven" by porn. The first applications weren't porn-based. Maybe live video--a split second after seeing the tech for the first time, probably 99% of guys were thinking of _applying_ it to porn. But, even for the usual money-grubbing startups, there was plenty of money coming from non-porn sources. Probably no different than the invention of camera, tv, videocamera, etc. and you wouldn't say porn drove that.
- jacquesm 9mo ago> I don't remember any of these being "driven" by porn. That's ok. > The first applications weren't porn-based. They most definitely were, it is just that you are not aware of it. There runs a direct line from the 1-900 phone industry to the internet adult industry, those guys had money like water and they spent a fortune on these developments. Not all of them worked out but quite a few of them did and as a result those very same characters managed to grab a substantial chunk of early internet commerce.
- jasonfarnon 9mo ago" There runs a direct line from the 1-900 phone industry to the internet adult industry" the internet adult industry is not the same as the internet. And if you;re trying to say the internet was developed for the sake of the internet adult industry, you're sounding circular.
- jacquesm 9mo agoI never made that claim and I'm fairly familiar with the development of the early internet, I was hanging around a lot at CWI/NikHef in the 80's and early 90's.
- fc417fc802 9mo agoI think this is like quibbling that the military isn't the driver of technological advances. It's not the only one, but it has a strong track record of throwing outsized resources at the bleeding edge and pushing it forward by leaps and bounds. Porn and piracy outfits have historically adopted and pushed forward the bleeding edge of the internet. More recently that role has shifted towards the major platforms operated by BigTech. That's only natural though - they've concentrated the economics sufficiently that it makes sense for them. But even then, take video codecs for example. BigTech develops and then rolls things out to their own infra. Outside of them it's piracy sitting at the bleeding edge of the adoption curve right now. The best current FOSS AV1 encoder is literally developed by the people pirating anime of all things. If it wasn't for them the FOSS reference encoder would still be half assed.
- altmanaltman 9mo agoyeah linus was beating it constantly to porn while developing the linux kernal. its proven fact. every oss project that runs the internet was done the same way, sure.
- Der_Einzige 9mo agoYou think RMS isn’t secretly a pervert? Just look at his comments about Epstein that got him cancled. Unironically if they look disheveled it’s because they are indeed coomers behind closed doors.
- johndough 9mo agoMaybe not as far-fetched as one might think. Linus about the Tux mascot: > But this wasn't to be just any penguin. Above all, Linus wanted one that looked happy, as if it had just polished off a pitcher of beer and then had the best sex of its life. Linus about free software: > Software is like sex; it's better when it's free.
- optimalsolver 8mo agoI wouldn't be surprised if both of those were true.
- jandrese 9mo agoIf you don't think the potential market for AI sexbots is enormous you have not paid attention to humanity.
- subscribed 9mo agoThis is not a potential market, this market is already thriving (and whoever wants to uses ChatGPT or Claude for that anyway). ClosedAI just wants to a piece of the casual user too.
- leumon 9mo agoaccording to the age-prediction page, the changes are: > If [..] you are under 18, ChatGPT turns on extra safety settings. [...] Some topics are handled more carefully to help reduce sensitive content, such as: - Graphic violence or gore - Viral challenges that could push risky or harmful behavior - Sexual, romantic, or violent role play - Content that promotes extreme beauty standards, unhealthy dieting, or body shaming
- elevation 9mo agoEven when you're making PG content, the general propriety limits of AI can hinder creative work. The "Easter Bunny" has always seemed creepy to me, so I started writing a silly song in which the bunny is suspected of eating children. I had too many verses written down and wanted to condense the lyrics, but found LLMs telling me "I cannot help promote violence towards children." Production LLM services would not help me revise this literal parody. Another day I was writing a romantic poem. It was abstract and colorful, far from a filthy limerick. But when I asked LLMs for help encoding a particular idea sequence into a verse, the models refused (except for grok, which didn't give very good writing advice anyway.)
- estimator7292 9mo agoJust today I asked how to shut down a Mac with "maximal violence". I was looking for the equivalent of "systemctl shutdown -f -f" and it refused to help me do violence. Believe me, the Mac deserved it.
- robotnikman 9mo agoThere is a subreddit called /r/myboyfriendisAI, you can look through it and see for yourself.
- ekianjo 9mo agoThere is a huge book market for sexual stories, in case you were not aware.
- koolala 9mo agoWest World style robots
- thayne 9mo agoIt says what to do if you are over 18, but thinks you are under 18. But what if it identifies someone under 18 as being older? And what if you are over 18, but don't want to be exposed to that "adult" content? > Viral challenges that could push risky or harmful behavior And > Content that promotes extreme beauty standards, unhealthy dieting, or body shaming Seem dangerous regardless of age.
- novemp 9mo ago> And what if you are over 18, but don't want to be exposed to that "adult" content? Don't prompt it.
- Gud 9mo agoWhat are these extremes beauty standards being promoted? Because it seems to me large swaths of the population need some beauty standards
- sejje 8mo agoYes, but you're not allowed to say that to them. They are victimized by the fact that models are attractive, and that is "unrealistic," so they've been getting plus sized models etc. The "extreme beauty standards" are basically just "healthy BMI."
- novemp 8mo agoAnorexia is overrepresented in both male and female models. To get that "ripped" look so many "fit" guys have, they often have to be dehydrated. Actresses wear full faces of makeup even in apocalyptic scenarios. It goes way beyond "just don't be fat".
- sejje 8mo agoIt does, but the remedy they choose is not "women don't wear makeup," it's "we use fat women, and they wear more makeup than skinny women."
- chilmers 9mo agoSexual and intimate chat with LLMs will be a huge market for whoever corners it. They'd be crazy to leave that money on the table.
- thayne 9mo agoIf your goal is to make money, sure. If your goal is to make AI safe, not so much.
- egorfine 9mo agoThe definition of safety is something that we cannot agree on. For me, letting people mindlessly vibecode apps and then pretend this code can serve purpose for others - this is what's truly unsafe. Pornographic text in LLM? Come on.
- koolala 9mo agoWhat if it knows you and knows how often you spend kinds of time on it? People would lie to it for excuses of why they need more and can't wait any longer?
- koakuma-chan 9mo agoIt will be an even bigger market when robotics are sufficiently advanced.
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- dyauspitr 9mo agoAt some point there will be robots with LLMs and actual real biological skin with blood vessels and some fat over a humanoid robot shell. At that point we won’t need real human relationships anymore.
- palmotea 9mo agoThat's why laws against drugs are so terrible, it forces law-abiding businesses to leave money on the table. Repeal the laws and I'm sure there will be tons of startups to profit off of drug addiction.
- GoatInGrey 9mo agoPornographic use has long been the "break glass in case of emergency" for the LLM labs when it comes to finances. My personal opinion is that while smut won't hurt anyone in of itself, LLM smut will have weird and generally negative consequences. As it will be crafted specifically for you on top of the intermittent reinforcement component of LLM generation.
- estimator7292 9mo agoWhile this is a valid take, I feel compelled to point out Chuck Tingle. The sheer amount and variety of smut books (just books) is vastly larger than anyone wants to realize. We passed the mark decades ago where there is smut available for any and every taste. Like, to the point that even LLMs are going to take a long time to put a dent in the smut market. Humans have been making smut for longer than we've had writing. But again I don't think you're wrong, but the scale of the problem is way distorted.
- MBCook 9mo agoThat’s all simple one way consumption though. I suspect the effect on people is very different when it’s interactive in the way an LLM can be that we’ve never had to recon with before. That’s where the danger may lie.
- pixl97 9mo agoAlien 1: "How did the earthlings lose control of their own planet?" Alien 2: "AI generated porn"
- viraptor 9mo agoYou could commission smut of whatever type you want for quite a while. And many people do so. Even customised smut is not new. It's just going to get a bit cheaper and automated.
- azan_ 9mo agoYou couldn't talk to commissioned smut. Of course you could request changes etc. but the feedback loop was nowhere close to what you can get with AI. Interactivity is a very big deal.
- chasd00 9mo agoeh there's an old saying that goes "no Internet technology can be considered a success until it has been adopted by (or in this case integrated with) the porn industry".
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- geeunits 9mo agoThis is for advertising purposes, not porn. They might feign that's the reason, but it's to allow alcohol & pharma to advertise, no doubt.
- torginus 9mo agoMy personal take is that there has been no progress - potentially there has been a regression on all LLM things outside of coding a scientific pursuits - I used to have great fun with LLMs with creative writing stuff, but I feel like current models are stiff and not very good prose writers. This is also true for stuff like writing clear but concise docs, they're overly verbose while often not getting the point across.
- mynti 9mo agoI feel like this comes from the rigorous Reinforcement Learning these models go through now. The token distribution is becoming so narrow, so the models give better answers more often that is stuffles their creativity and ability to break out of the harness. To me, every creative prompt I give them turns into kind of the same mush as output. It is rarely interesting
- leoedin 9mo agoYeah, I’ve had great success at coding recently, but every time I try to get an LLM to write me a spec it generates endless superlatives and a lot of flowery language.
- tizzzzz 8mo agoI completely agree with your assessment—outside of programming and scientific research, recent LLM progress has been disappointing, and in some cases even regressive. The creative writing capabilities, once a highlight, now feel increasingly bland and generic, with long-form and nuanced storytelling suffering the most. Ironically, as these models become more “safe” and commercialized, they often lose the spark that made them valuable for creative exploration in the first place. The focus on enterprise and mass adoption seems to be driving them toward mediocrity, at the expense of individuality and depth.
- laweijfmvo 9mo agoimagine if every only fans creator suddenly paid a portion of their revenue to OpenAI for better messaging with their followers…
- shawn_w 9mo agoInstead of paying it to the human third party firms that currently handle communication with subscribers?
- beAbU 9mo agoPorn and ads, it's the convergent evolution theory for all things on the internet.
- dev1ycan 9mo agoI am 30 years old, literally told chatgpt I was a software developer, all my queries are something an adult would ask, yet OpenAI assumed I was under 18 and asked me for a persona age verification, which of course I refused because Persona is shady as a company (plus I'm not giving my personal ID to some random tech company). ChatGPT is absolute garbage.
- Kiboneu 8mo agoHow I think it could play out: - OpenAI botches the job. Article pieces are written about the fact that kids are still able to use it. - Sam “responds” by making it an option to use worldcoin orbs to authenticate. You buy it at the “register me” page, but you will get an equivalent amount of worldcoin at current rate. Afterwards the orb is like a badge that you can put on your shelf to show to your guests. “We heard you loud and clear. That’s why we worked hard to provide worldcoin integration, so that users won’t have to verify their age through annoying, insecure and fallible means.” (an example marketing blurb would say, implicitly referring to their current identity servicer Persona which people find annoying). - After enough orb hardware is out in the public, and after the api gains traction for 3rd parties to use it, send a notice that x months for now, login without the orb will not be possible. “Here is a link to the shop page to get your orb, available in colors silver and black.”