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Immediately hitting the brakes when a child suddenly appears in front of you, instead of waiting 500ms like a human, and thereby hitting the child at a speed of
by direwolf20 9mo ago
Immediately hitting the brakes when a child suddenly appears in front of you, instead of waiting 500ms like a human, and thereby hitting the child at a speed of 6 instead of 14 is a success.
What else to you expect them to do, only run on grade–separated areas where children can't access? Blare sirens so children get scared away from roads? Shouldn't human–driven cars do the same thing then?
- recursive 9mo agoI don't know the implementation details, but success would be not hitting pedestrians. You have some interesting ideas on how to achieve that but there might be other ways, I don't know.
- gruez 9mo ago>I don't know the implementation details, but success would be not hitting pedestrians. So by that logic, if we cured cancer but the treatment came with terrible side effects it wouldn't be considered a "success"? Does everything have to perfect to be a success?
- recursive 9mo agoIf you clearly define your goals in advance, then you can make success whatever you want. What are Waymo's goals?
- gruez 9mo agoSomething tells me it wasn't 0 accidents, given that it's impossible.
- recursive 9mo agoI guess we'll never know.
- Dylan16807 9mo agoThe raw corporate goals? Safe enough to be allowed on roads. The less cynical set of goals would be safer than the mean human, then safer than the median human, then safer every year indefinitely.
- orwin 9mo ago17 mph is way too fast near a school if it's around the time children are getting out (or in).
- seanmcdirmid 9mo agoThe limit is 20 MPH in Washington state, in California the default is 25 MPH, but is going to 20 MPH soon and can be further lowered to 15 MPH with special considerations. The real killer here is the crazy American on street parking, which limits visibility of both pedestrians and oncoming vehicles. Every school should be a no street parking zone. But parents are going to whine they can't load and unload their kids close to the school.
- dboreham 9mo agoThis isn't universal. The schools in our Montana town have pickup lanes and short term parking areas for pickup. Stopping on the road isn't allowed.
- trollbridge 9mo agoSame for my tiny town. Stopping on the road is 100% not allowed, and parking isn't allowed there either. The school has its own parking area to park and pick up/drop off kids, and cars in there creep at 2 or 3 MPH.
- dylan604 9mo agoFor a school near me, the road is no parking during pick up/drop off times. It even changes to one way traffic. The no parking windows is similar to alternate street sweeping days. There are signs posted that indicate the times.
- jerlam 9mo agoOn street parking is so ingrained into the American lifestyle that any change to the status quo is impossible. Cars have more rights on public property than people. Every suburban neighborhood has conflicts over people's imagined "ownership" of the street parking in front of their house. People rarely use their garages to store their car since they can just leave it on the street. There are often laws that prevent people from other neighborhoods from using the public street to park. New roads are paved as wide as possible to allow both street parking and a double-parked car to not impede traffic. And we've started building homes without any kind of parking that force people to use the street.
- parl_match 9mo ago"and thereby hitting the child ... is a success." > What else to you expect them to do, only run on grade–separated areas where children can't access? no, i expect them to slow down when children may be present
- direwolf20 9mo agohow slow?
- parl_match 9mo agohow about 10-15 mph if directly adjacent to a school, especially during the bands before and after school stars or ends. route away from schools whenever feasible.
- direwolf20 9mo agoThat's how fast it was going.
- parl_match 9mo agoA vehicle can't go 10 to 15 miles per hour at the same time. If it was going 15, then it should have been going 10. Or driving further away from occluded spaces. And again, routing away from schools. The simple fact is that it hit a child and even though it wasn't a serious issue due to their safety policies, there's still room for improvement in these technologies. And since it's a robot, and not a human, you can actually make changes and have them stick. For example, routing away from schools during certain hours.
- dylan604 9mo agoThis isn't Apollo 13 with a successful failure. A driverless car hit a human that just happened to be a kid. Doesn't matter if a human would have as well, the super safe driverless car hit a kid. Nothing else matters. Driverless car failed.
- direwolf20 9mo agoIf failure is defined such that failure is the only possible outcome, I don't think it's a useful part of an evaluation.