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They they are being very transparent about it.
by random_duck 8mo ago
They they are being very transparent about it.
- direwolf20 8mo agoAs every company should, when they have a success. Are they also as transparent about their failures?
- voidUpdate 8mo agoIs this a success? There was still an incident. I'd argue this was them being transparent about a failure
- direwolf20 8mo agoThey handled an unpredictable emergency situation better than any human driver.
- mitthrowaway2 8mo agoWas it unpredictable? They drove past a blind corner (parked SUV) in a school zone. I'm constantly slowing down in these situations as I expect someone might run out at any second. Waymo seemed to default to the view that if it can't see anyone then nobody is there.
- TeMPOraL 8mo agoBeing transparent about such incidents is also what stops them from potentially becoming a business/industry-killing failures. They're doing the right thing here, but they also surely realize how much worse it would be if they tried to deny or downplay it.
- xnx 8mo ago> they also surely realize how much worse it would be if they tried to deny or downplay it. Indeed. Waymo is a much more thoughtful and responsible company than Cruise, Uber, or Tesla. "Cruise admits to criminal cover-up of pedestrian dragging in SF, will pay $500K penalty" https://www.sfgate.com/tech/article/cruise-fine-criminal-cover-up-19920343.php https://www.sfgate.com/tech/article/cruise-fine-criminal-cov...
- BugsJustFindMe 8mo agoWell, as a comparison, we know that Tesla has failed to report to NHTSA any collisions that didn't deploy the airbag.
- red75prime 8mo agoTesla report ids from SGO-2021-01_Incident_Reports_ADAS.csv with no or unknown airbag deployment status: 13781-13330, 13781-13319, 13781-13299, 13781-13208, 13781-8843, 13781-13149, 13781-13103, 13781-13070, 13781-13052... and more
- dylan604 8mo agoHow is hitting a child not a failure? And actually, how can you call this a success? Do you think this was a GTA side mission?
- direwolf20 8mo agoImmediately hitting the brakes when a child suddenly appears in front of you, instead of waiting 500ms like a human, and thereby hitting the child at a speed of 6 instead of 14 is a success. What else to you expect them to do, only run on grade–separated areas where children can't access? Blare sirens so children get scared away from roads? Shouldn't human–driven cars do the same thing then?
- recursive 8mo agoI don't know the implementation details, but success would be not hitting pedestrians. You have some interesting ideas on how to achieve that but there might be other ways, I don't know.
- gruez 8mo ago>I don't know the implementation details, but success would be not hitting pedestrians. So by that logic, if we cured cancer but the treatment came with terrible side effects it wouldn't be considered a "success"? Does everything have to perfect to be a success?
- autoexec 8mo agoThey've gone to the courts to fight to keep some of their safety data secret https://www.theverge.com/2022/1/28/22906513/waymo-lawsuit-california-dmv-crash-data-foia https://www.theverge.com/2022/1/28/22906513/waymo-lawsuit-ca...
- micromacrofoot 8mo agoas far as we know
- flutas 8mo agoeven as far as we know they aren't The Waymo blog post refused to say the word "child", instead using the phrase "young pedestrian" once. The Waymo blog post switches to "the pedestrian" and "the individual" for the rest of the post. The Waymo blog post also consistently uses the word "contact" instead of hit, struck, or collision. The Waymo blog post makes no mention of the injuries the child sustained. The Waymo blog post makes no mention of the school being in close proximity. The Waymo blog post makes no mention of other children or the crossing guard. The Waymo blog post makes no mention of the car going over the school zone speed limit (17 in 15).
- SauntSolaire 8mo agoThe speed limit of a school zone in California is 25, not 15, which would explain why they didn't mention it.