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The FBI should investigate the murders done by ICE and until done with that, remain silent.
by chinathrow 9mo ago
The FBI should investigate the murders done by ICE and until done with that, remain silent.
- hollandheese 9mo agoThe police (FBI and ICE included) are never your friends. They work to protect the rich and powerful and not us.
- Analemma_ 9mo agoCynical responses like this are meant to make the speaker sound smart, but actually what you're doing is making further tyranny more likely, because you're deliberately overlooking that-- whatever the existing problems with the FBI-- there is a significant difference between their behavior now and their behavior before. Not even bothering to run the established investigation playbook when law enforcement kills a civilian is a major departure, and one worth noticing. But if all you do is go "same old same old", then you can safely lean back in your chair and do nothing as the problem worsens, while calling yourself so much smarter and more insightful than the people around you.
- cess11 9mo agoBy before, what do you mean? COINTELPRO?
- Analemma_ 9mo agoThis is exactly my point. Yes, COINTELPRO was really bad. But it was intelligence and disruption, they weren't executing people on the street and then bragging about how they'd get away with it. Do you not see the difference?
- defen 9mo agoThey drugged and executed Fred Hampton and no one suffered any consequences for that as far as I know.
- cess11 9mo agoCOINTELPRO included assassinations. They kind of didn't stop there either. https://web.archive.org/web/20170201130225/http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/19/us/in-150-shootings-the-fbi-deemed-agents-faultless.html https://web.archive.org/web/20170201130225/http://www.nytime...
- SauciestGNU 9mo agoFurthermore, going back as far as I remember, if you take part in a protest the police personally disagree with they will use violence against you regardless of your occupation.
- Cornbilly 9mo agoI would disagree to a certain extent. "Law enforcement is not your friend" is a good mindset as a citizen. You should never hand them information without a lawyer and you should always push for oversight. I agree that the "same at it ever was and always will be" attitude isn't great. It's defeatist and I choose not to live my life that way, even if it would be much easier mentally. I think part of the reason I see this attitude so often is that, especially since 9/11, a large portion of the US population has decided that the police and military are infallible and should be trusted completely, so any large-scale attempt at reform runs into these unwavering supporters (and, in the case of the police, their unions).
- trinsic2 9mo agoI don't agree law enforcement is not the problem. Its the people in the system that are making these problems worse. You start blaming systems and then its a catch all that does nothing.
- Cornbilly 9mo agoI won't disagree that the people inside the system are making it worse but the system is currently setup to incentivize bad behavior. - Overly broad qualified immunity - The power of the police unions - Lawsuit settlements coming out of public funds - Collusion between prosecutors' and the police These are all issues that need to be resolved to restore the sanity in policing. At the federal level, the FBI needs to be reigned in...somehow. They all to often work outside the bounds of their defined role and powers. This isn't a new problem and one could argue it has been an issue since the beginning.
- trinsic2 9mo agoagreed. I dont think bringing down our institutions is the result we are looking for though, that's only going to create more corruption.
- throwaway-11-1 9mo agocmon man seriously? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FBI%E2%80%93King_letter?wprov=sfti1 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FBI%E2%80%93King_letter?wprov=... https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/analysis-opinion/newburgh-four-terrorism-case-releases-show-dire-need-fbi-reforms https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/analysis-opinion/newb...
- krapp 9mo agoThe only significant difference is that law enforcement is treating white people the way they've always treated everyone else. Which is a difference in degree, but not character.
- cucumber3732842 9mo agoThey've always treated white nationalists and other weirdos like this. I mean, the whole "any infraction is a grounds for execution" ROE is very reminiscent of Ruby Ridge, for example. But the kind of white people we have here have never really had anything in common with those people so now that the Feds are coming after people of the sort of political persuasion they identify with for the first time since, the 1970s it "feels" like they're just now going after white people.
- mindslight 9mo agoI guess nothing matters and there's no point to expecting any sort of justice from the system. And at least now I can laugh at those other people being hurt. (</s>)
- watwut 9mo agoConsiderable amount of cops are white nationalists themselves.
- cucumber3732842 9mo agoBack in the 1980s we had jokes about the KKK being a barbecue club for law enforcement. The punchline of the joke invariably hinges on the ambiguity as to whether they're there on the job as informants or "organically".
- kevin_thibedeau 9mo agoICE just hired 12000 Ruby Ridge types as their untrained SA brownshirts. It is inevitable that they have no understanding of basic civics and rage against lawful protestors they see as the enemy.
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- baq 9mo agoNothing cynical, that’s just the truth. They’re called law enforcement for a reason, not emergency hugs. Whether they behave like civilized people or like thugs should be besides the point regardless of your political leaning in the matter of the system. Naturally from a basic human perspective civilized law enforcement is much more preferable than the alternative, but they aren’t your friends!
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- asdfman123 9mo agoSoftware engineers are definitely among the class of people protected by the police
- smrtinsert 9mo agoThere is no protected class from malevolent government. Everyone from oligarchs down to the have nots can be targets. Let's not keep relearning that lesson.
- throwawaygmbno 9mo agoDepends on the race of the engineer. If you're gay or live in a blue city/state then you also lose your protection
- Spivak 9mo agoSorta, if you live in a blue city—so really just a city at this point-then it wraps around a small amount and your local police are, at least when it comes to this crap, largely on your side. ICE is making huge messes and leaving it to the local PD to clean it up which is not exactly endearing. Nobody likes when a bunch of people come in and start pissing in your Cheerios. Especially when those Cheerios are "rebuilding trust with your local community."
- oklahomasports 9mo ago911 informs the cops of your sexual preferences when they dispatch them?
- asdfman123 9mo agoHave any of you tried talking to a police officer in real life? If you're just polite to them they treat you like they're your private protection force. Moreso in blue cities, I have no idea what point you're making there other than crime you've seen on TV is scary.
- tehjoker 9mo agoIt’s conditional on whether you are affirming the opinions of your employer or oppositional
- cucumber3732842 9mo agoThey work to protect the government. Now, for peasants there isn't much of a distinction, but the rich and powerful would do well to remember it.
- epistasis 9mo agoAnd importantly the DoJ attorneys who would be responsible for investigating g the murders resigned because they were prevented from performing the standard procedure investigation that happens after every single shooting. They were instead directed to investigate the family of the person who was shot: https://kstp.com/kstp-news/top-news/nyt-6-federal-prosecutors-resign-over-pressure-to-investigate-renee-goods-widow/ https://kstp.com/kstp-news/top-news/nyt-6-federal-prosecutor... We are through the looking glass, folks. This will be dropped and ignored like so many other outrages unless we demand answers from Congress, and hold SCOTUS responsible for partisan abdication of their constitutional duties.
- mikkupikku 9mo agoIf those shooters don't get presidential pardons, they're going to get prosecuted sooner or later. No statute of limitations for murder, right?
- mothballed 9mo agoThat depends, the civil service has a lot of leverage because most of them cannot easily be fired. And POTUS needs the civil service to execute his policy goals so his fellow party members and possibly himself can get re-elected. Therefore there is considerable leverage for allied servants to form an alliance that more or less offers their allegiance in exchange for non-prosecution. I would expect especially DHS to basically become a non-functional (or even seditious) department if they prosecute those guys and they could purposefully make the president look bad by making his security apparatus look incompetent.
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- DFHippie 9mo ago> the civil service has a lot of leverage because most of them cannot easily be fired Unless, as Doge showed us, you ignore the law, fire them anyway, and the SCOTUS says, "Yeah, whatever."
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- dashundchen 9mo agoIn case anyone thinks you're kidding, Kash Patel's embarssing sychophancy includes publishing a election denial children's "book" portraying Trump as a king and himself as a hero. 51 senators voted to confirm this unqualified moron to lead the top law enforcement agency.
- jorblumesea 9mo agoIt's literally not a joke, probably the most egregious example of a completely unqualified doormat that will do whatever dear leader wants. It's also by design, no roadblocks for the fanta menace.
- wyldberry 9mo agoIt's a good thing FBI has capacity to do more than one thing at a time. Also Trump agreed to allow MNPD to handle the wrongful death investigation. Two things can be true: the "resistance" rings in MN are behaving like the insurgents the US has fought for decades in the Middle East, and ICE agents wrongfully killed a man.
- bradleyankrom 9mo agoBoth can be true, but only one is.
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- wyldberry 9mo agoThey are running communications rings geographically distributed across the city via Signal. They organize into specialized roles for identifying suspected agents (spotters), tailing them, and moving to contact with ICE. They use the ARMY SALUTE[0][1] method to handle their reports. Anyone who ran convoys in the Middle East, patrolled, or did intel around it will know this playbook. The resistance is impressive because it's taken lessons learned from observing the US Military overseas dealing with insurgencies. 0 - https://www.usainscom.army.mil/iSALUTE/iSALUTEFORM/ https://www.usainscom.army.mil/iSALUTE/iSALUTEFORM/ 1 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHIPEVj0pRo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHIPEVj0pRo
- Jugglewhoa 9mo agoSo i wonder why he people of the city would act the same way as a group being invaded by a hostile force? Just like the Middle east its the people being invaded, they are the problem, not the invaders.
- wyldberry 9mo agoIt's more like Minneapolis has been "chosen" as the battle point by people opposed to Trump in every step. It's the same person leading deportations as under Obama, they deport less than Obama did, yet they have been demonized almost immediately after the Trump administration took over. Why? During the Obama administration, state and local LEO worked with ICE to deport. Now they are directed not to. Without that protection and cooperation from local officers, it becomes significantly harder and more dangerous to execute these operations. So they put masks on because the local agitators are doxxing them, threatening their families, and making life unsafe for the agents. So now we have this lack of cooperation from local government that creates unsafe and dangerous operating conditions for ICE. What are they supposed to do? Not enforce the law because the local government says no? We already fought a war about Federal power versus state power. Heck, Obama (whom i voted for 2x) sued Arizona (Arizona v. United States, 567 U.S. 387) over supremacy of the Federal Government with respect to immigration. There would be no problems if Minneapolis and Minnesota leadership reacted the way other cities like Memphis did. Instead they've explicitly, or tacitly, endorsed this escalating resistance movement. I can't imagine ever putting my hands on a LEO and expecting it to go well, yet they do it freely. Officers are only human, and day-in day-out of this, combined with very real actionable threats against your life, and family life are only going to create more tensions and more mistakes. This is no invasion hostile force, this is a chosen focal point to challenge the will and ability of this administration to enforce the democratically made laws.
- throw0101a 9mo ago“For my friends everything, for my enemies the law” ― Oscar R. Benavides
- dolphinscorpion 9mo agoThey will, one day. No statute of limitations on murder.
- I-M-S 9mo agoBiology is definitely a limit.
- paulryanrogers 9mo agoThe lack of a legal limit means they are never safe from justice catching up, even decades later. This lawless administration won't last. Some perpetrators may die of natural causes before that point, but 2026 and 2028 elections aren't far away.
- I-M-S 9mo agoAnd which opposition to the ruling class do you see appearing in the next 2 or 4 years that would purse anyone but the lowliest of perpetrators?
- ncallaway 9mo agoWhen the crime is murdering people in cold blood, I will take nailing the “lowliest of perpetrators” (e.g. cold blooded murderers) to the fucking wall. Yes, I hope future administrators go up and down the chain of command looking at everyone who was involved in the cover-up, and charges them with conspiracy to commit murder, but a future Democratic administration will at least identify and prosecute the murderers themselves. While Republican administrations will conceal the identity of the killers and continue to have them out on the streets
- I-M-S 9mo agoDon't get me wrong, I'd gladly take any small victory. But thinking of it in terms of 2026 or 2028 just means you've kicked the can down to 2030 or 2032.
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- dimitri-vs 9mo agoSounds like something for an investigation to figure out - wonder why they are fighting that so hard. Also sure sounds like a lot of victim blaming considering he died without ever doing anything warranting his death.
- lm28469 9mo agoStop acting like we're talking about two kids who did an oopsie Small town cops in third world countries are more professional than any of these ICE clowns, these mistakes happened because they keep hiring the lowest if the low, both in term of intelect and morality
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- platevoltage 9mo agoAre we still doing the "he was carrying" thing. Like for real?
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- andreygrehov 9mo agoNo. They should investigate both.