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Sounds like ICE's official word right now is that the guy had a gun. But the video clearly indicates that they all tackled him to the ground and were wrestling

Sounds like ICE's official word right now is that the guy had a gun. But the video clearly indicates that they all tackled him to the ground and were wrestling him maybe 4 vs 1, before they all shot him together. I'm not quite sure how a gun can have come out of this. Maybe the guy while struggling on the ground happened to reach in the direction of someone's gun while getting curbstomped, I dunno. What I'm most worried about is that Pam Bondi / Department of Justice refuses to investigate these or properly prosecute these cases. IE: The Renee Good case has a ton of FBI agents resigning because they've been told to focus on Good's "misbehavior" rather than the ICE Agent's aggression. It will be up to the Minnesota police and justice system to investigate. We cannot expect anything from the DoJ/FBI here. As such, the prosecution case will be gimped, and I fear we will have nothing resembling justice in this case (or Renee Good's case either).

wahnfrieden 9mo ago
It won’t be up to the Minnesota police to investigate. A Minnesota judge gave them a warrant and feds still denied them access.
dismalaf 9mo ago
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- toomuchtodo 9mo ago
  And when you're unlawfully murdered, you have no recourse. They do not care what you tell them, and if you don't resist, you're potentially dead anyway. They have arrested lawful immigrants and citizens, and held them illegally, in some cases for weeks or months. "Comply and you might get lucky and survive" is not a life safety strategy. I'm unsure where this idea to not resist someone who is very likely to kill you without cause (based on all of the evidence and observations to date) is coming from to be frank. Why ICE Can Kill With Impunity - https://www.wired.com/story/why-ice-can-kill-with-impunity/ https://www.wired.com/story/why-ice-can-kill-with-impunity/ | https://archive.today/gMFRS https://archive.today/gMFRS - January 15th, 2026 ("Over the past decade, US immigration agents have shot and killed more than two dozen people. Not a single agent appears to have faced criminal charges.") (own firearms, have taken firearm training, still aware never to trust law enforcement)
  - rolph 9mo ago
    cops are most deceptive when they are smiling, even if it seems like an aside comment, when that big fake smile is there, they are trying to soft extract something from you [P.E.A.C.E.] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PEACE_method_of_interrogation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PEACE_method_of_interrogation
  - dismalaf 9mo ago
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    - toomuchtodo 9mo ago
      You seem to not believe they’re murdering people without justification, so there’s no common ground to be had. You will likely always believe their lethal force is justified, regardless of facts, so we are at an impasse.
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        toomuchtodo 9mo ago
        > The two most recent events were both taped, both seemed to be justified in using force. If a tape comes out where someone is killed and they're not fighting ICE agents or hitting them with a car, then I'll agree that it wasn't justified. Resisting an ICE agent is not a lawful use of lethal force. If you believe it is, you are mistaken and you are free to speak with a legal professional to update your mental model on the topic. Again, we are likely at an impasse based on your belief system (as your statements make it clear you are not speaking from a place of factual evidence based on recent incidents ie "fighting ICE agents or hitting them with a car"). The video in this example shows a citizen being held down and executed by ICE agents. The video also shows he was disarmed before the first shot was fired. Multiple angles are available for review. I am unwilling to argue facts.
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- dragontamer 9mo ago
  > The video clearly shows him resisting arrest and reaching for something. The video clearly shows the grey-masked (EDIT: Grey-hat, green mask) ICE Agent taking the gun and running away with it before everyone else shoots him. Also, I'm inclined to believe the "arrest" was an illegal arrest to begin with. I had a big post about how police procedure and due process is supposed to work but I know no one gives a crap about due process anymore, so forget it.
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    - Freedom2 9mo ago
      I wasn't aware that was grounds for an execution without trial, thanks for clarifying!
      - mvdtnz 9mo ago
        I didn't say it was. I was responding to the specific thing I quoted, > Also, I'm inclined to believe the "arrest" was an illegal arrest to begin with.
    - supertimor 9mo ago
      It’s pretty clear that the person assaulting the woman in the orange backpack was the ICE agent. The ICE agent forcefully pushes the woman to the ground and Alex Pretti gets in between them to protect her as the ICE agent pepper sprays both of them. Orange backpack tries to stand up but is continually pepper sprayed and Alex Pretti uses his body to block the spray and is pushed/slips back onto orange backpack. It then seems like he grabs hold of her to block the spray and tries to lift her from the ground before the agents grab hold of him and pulls her away. At that point, he’s still holding onto her so she gets dragged as well.
    - lovich 9mo ago
      How the fuck do you watch that video and think the guy who was shot is the one assaulting the woman with a red backpack? The ICE agent does an almost comical shove to that woman, then the shot guy and her are pepper sprayed, and he tries to help them up. You are actively lying or schizophrenic. If anyone disagrees with that assesment watch the video he linked.
- HaZeust 9mo ago
  >"The video clearly shows him resisting arrest and reaching for something." Tell me the EXACT time in the video you see this happen. In the video, there are 4 ICE agents on him and there's not ONE frame where the tackled protester reaches for ANYTHING with his arm/hand. There is, however, a gray-masked ICE agent consistently reaching for what appears to be the protestor's sidearm. And at 0:17, the ICE agent that shoots first reached for his own sidearm, and the ICE agent next to him retrieves what appears to be the protestor's concealed firearm at the same time, and walks away from the pile with it BEFORE shots are even fired. The "threat" - the protestor's right to bear arms - was eliminated before a shot. There is not a single indication that ICE agents were in danger from anyone besides each other. If he was shot dead for possession, there's your answer for 2A, right there. They're shooting people like dogs in broad daylight for recording police interactions (1A) and possessing a firearm (2A), the tree of liberty needs replenishment.
  - dragontamer 9mo ago
    Keep an eye on grey-mask. (EDIT: More like grey-hat / green mask). He grabbed a gun and ran away from the wrestling match. You know, long before everyone else executed the guy.
- timeon 9mo ago
  1. The are not going to investigate it. Totally legit right? 2. This regime likes to post deepfakes (even president himself). Why do you have urge to defend these pedophiles?
  - dragontamer 9mo ago
    They're 100% going to investigate, and intimidate, the Red-coat lady in the background, and the dead guy on the ground so that they have political fodder / some kind of character-assassination excuse for why this was all justified.
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- Freedom2 9mo ago
  Thank you for this. As far as I understand it, the victim was filming the ICE agent(s). I'm sure you'll agree that counts as resisting arrest and even putting the agent(s) lives at risk.
  - the__alchemist 9mo ago
    Hi! I'm curious why you A: Believe this, and B: Think others will agree.
    - Freedom2 9mo ago
      I do not believe this, and I don't think I said I did. Rather, I'm attempting to curiously understand OPs viewpoint, as I don't think it's intellectually honest. (For context, original OP said that the victim was 'resisting arrest')
jimt1234 9mo ago
It's always been strange to me that Americans are allowed to exercise their 2nd Amendment rights...until they get killed by police. Then they should've known not to exercise their 2nd Amendment rights.
- JKCalhoun 9mo ago
  Yeah, it's almost like people walking around with guns is a bad idea.
  - CamperBob2 9mo ago
    Yeah, somebody should do something about that. Masked men with guns and unlimited immunity aren't good to have around in your community. Oh, wait, you meant the victim.
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    - JKCalhoun 9mo ago
      Por qué no los dos? (To borrow a meme.)
      - CamperBob2 9mo ago
        You might as well imagine no religion while you're at it. It's easy if you try... but it's not going to happen. So we might as well stop arguing that the government should have a monopoly on tools of violence. These people should be afraid of us, and not the other way around.
  - FpUser 9mo ago
    >"Yeah, it's almost like people walking around with guns is a bad idea." When those people are ICE it definitely is. I think those motherfuckers should be wearing straightjackets
  - goatlover 9mo ago
cocomath 9mo ago
Someone captured the beginning of the shooting victim’s interaction with ICE. It certainly doesn’t look as though the person is aggressive or brandishing a weapon. The DHS public statement that the victim was going to “do maximize damage and massacre law enforcement” is outrageous… https://x.com/David_J_Bier/status/2015125221938770324 https://x.com/David_J_Bier/status/2015125221938770324
- dragontamer 9mo ago
  Pam Bondi's Department of Justice will be worse. They're the ones who are in charge of investigating this. I expect the FBI under her to support ICE and defend them with all their might. The checks and balances at the federal level are all captured. Support Minnesota in this troubling time.
  - comfysocks 9mo ago
    No one will be held to account as long as Trump or his collaborators are in power. If anyone views the current situation as a problem, there is no viable solution that doesn’t involve removing MAGA from power.
  - Rapzid 9mo ago
    The very first thing Trump administration did after assuming office was fire almost all the Inspectors General. Seems obvious, foreboding and foreshadowing, it was to sweep away any independent oversight and accountability. Oh boy the hand waving away at the time. Now the other shoe is dropping.
- duxup 9mo ago
  ICE has regularly attacked protesters and bystanders who are simply recording, walking away and so on. Even people just driving through their neighborhood have been dragged out of their vehicles and apprehended. Citizen or otherwise doesn’t seem to matter. They aren’t professionals and operate with neither the training, nor the will to obey the law. Much of the time they seem to believe trying to bait folks into an encounter https://www.reddit.com/r/ICE_Raids/comments/1q7u4kz/ice_agent_pulls_weapon_on_crowd_and_appears_to/ https://www.reddit.com/r/ICE_Raids/comments/1q7u4kz/ice_agen... https://www.reddit.com/r/minnesota/comments/1q7y43s/cbp_points_gun_directly_at_protesters_head/ https://www.reddit.com/r/minnesota/comments/1q7y43s/cbp_poin... In my area all the non white folks don’t come to the bus stop anymore to pickup their kids. Their kids are instructed to race home after school. The schools now have lockdown protocols for ICE. Family businesses opened for decades closed because employees are afraid to come to work.
datsci_est_2015 9mo ago
> What I'm most worried about is that Pam Bondi / Department of Justice refuses to investigate these or properly prosecute these cases. Law enforcement above accountability is a hallmark sign of “too far gone”.
- fuzzfactor 9mo ago
  Law enforcement is one thing but when Washington sends war-fighters into a state against the will of the state's leadership, somebody has got to be prepared to take some casualties if there is any resistance. The greater the force and amount of armament, the worse it can end up becoming. It wasn't good when it happened in the 19th century either.
  - datsci_est_2015 9mo ago
    War-fighter is a generous description given the preparedness of the agents they’re sending. This is how they’re behaving against disorganized whistle-blowing confrontational citizens, not e.g. an ideologically-motivated separatist militia.
    - fuzzfactor 9mo ago
      I know what you mean when the lack of training and integrity stands out. What I see is that some of them seem to display even more of a killer attitude than professional soldiers, and bring a whole additional supply of firepower to each scene when they arrive that was not in the equation before. With that level of highly-armed government-initiated risk introduced, it looks like in almost any neighborhood where there is normally about zero yearly risk of someone being killed, when the "troops" are sent in the risk skyrockets. On a daily basis too which is too frequent to ignore and a virtually incalculable increase, but you don't need numbers to see how bad it is.
starkparker 9mo ago
> At a news conference, Minneapolis Police Chief Brian O’Hara said the man who was shot was a 37-year-old white man with no serious criminal history and a record that showed some parking tickets. Law enforcement sources said Saturday their records show Pretti had no serious criminal history. > O'Hara said the man was a “lawful gun owner” with a permit. Records show that Pretti attended the University of Minnesota. State records show Pretti was issued a nursing license in 2021, and it remains active through March 2026. Minnesota permit-to-carry requirements: https://dps.mn.gov/divisions/bca/public-services-bca/firearms-information/permit-carry https://dps.mn.gov/divisions/bca/public-services-bca/firearm... > Q: Do I have to disclose to a peace officer that I am a permit holder and carrying a firearm? > A: Yes, upon request of a peace officer, a permit holder must disclose to the officer whether or not the permit holder is currently carrying a firearm. So a U.S. citizen who is a legal, permitted gun owner with no outstanding criminal charges, legally carrying in public, who complies with the law and informs a DHS officer that they are legally carrying, is effectively subject to summary execution without due process. (The penalty for permitted carrying without possessing the physical permit card is $25 for a first offense and forfeiture of the weapon; it would've been his first offense per Minneapolis police.) If ever there was a 2A violation, it's a federal officer shooting and killing a legal gun owner solely for possessing a gun in their presence.
- mothballed 9mo ago
  The bargain with law enforcement has always been that ostensibly if you comply, they will take you in peacefully. For obvious reasons, this is highly advantageous to both parties. It seems like a foolish choice for them to reneg on this. They are essentially signaling that you are a trapped rat with no way out.
  - comfysocks 9mo ago
    That’s true if you want to keep the peace. The way to read their actions is that they’re trying to incite violence. If Trump can incite violence then he can invoke the insurrection act, or perhaps declare some form of martial law to seize more power. Perhaps even parlay this into cancelling the midterm elections.
Heapifying 9mo ago
Even if they guy had a gun, it's left to see what actually transpired here. Whether the guy owned the gun, had firearm permit and even if he had a public and/or concealed gun permit.
- dragontamer 9mo ago
  That's already been revealed by Minnesota Police (thank goodness we at least have some degree of independent investigations going on right now). 1. Only had parking tickets on his criminal record. No other criminal activity. 2. Owned a gun with firearms permit. 3. 36 Years Old, male. EDIT: I misremembered. Its apparently 37 year old male. Minnesota Police only have jurisdiction inside of Minnesota however. So those four+ ICE shooters just need to leave the state and they're safe. The FBI is required to pursue across state lines.
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    - edaemon 9mo ago
      He was a US citizen according to the Minneapolis police chief.
    - dragontamer 9mo ago
      US Citizen with gun permit. Minneapolis Police Chief Brian O’Hara had a press briefing a few hours ago.
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    - CamperBob2 9mo ago
      He was an ICE observer, not a target. He was legally carrying a gun, but the object he was "brandishing" was a phone.
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foogazi 9mo ago
> What I'm most worried about is that Pam Bondi / Department of Justice refuses to investigate these or properly prosecute these cases. There’s a lot to be worried here, but I’m surprised that’s what you are more worried about There is no doubt in my mind that the the current DOJ won’t lift a finger against any of the agents involved
- dragontamer 9mo ago
  Hmm... well maybe I need to explain my fear better. Because Pam Bondi/DoJ refuses to prosecute these cases, this will _keep happening_ for the foreseeable future. There's no reason for ICE to stop this behavior. Its not today's crime that scares me most. Its the easily predicted future where this gets worse by next month. The converse is the rise of the far-left. We're already seeing Black Panther patrol with long-guns rise up in these times in response to this. I expect more guns and more deadly force, and no one is doing anything to put a stop to it. -------- The left is losing faith in strictly peaceful protest. At least some of them (ie: the Black Panthers forming patrol militia). The right refuses to prosecute murders. This is the worse problem. Where does this lead? Is it too late to stop? Its easily stopped if Pam Bondi simply did an investigation into the use of deadly force. That's the saddest part of all of this.
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    - dragontamer 9mo ago
      Heh. Okay, you go up to the next Black Panther member you see and tell him that to his face. And the worst part is, I don't even know what I'm supposed to say to them anymore. The shooting today 100% proves the Black Panthers correct.
    - Hikikomori 9mo ago
      Nice 2nd amendment when cops are allowed to execute anyone with a gun.
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- taylodl 9mo ago
  You have the right to carry. Period end. Full stop. Exercising your constitutional right is not "looking for trouble."
  - B1FIDO 9mo ago
    If someone is going in to a situation where they know there are armed riot police, armed federal agents, armed and agitated protestors, and several people have already been unalived, I would call them nothing but "suicidal" to carry their own weapon into that situation. Suicidal. Even when concealed and unused. Suicidal. Of course they would be suicidal to go into that situation unarmed, as well. But carrying a weapon would be double-plus-ungood and guaranteed to make them a target for unaliving, sticking out from amongst the crowd bearing rocks and sticks or even Molotov cocktails.
    - dragontamer 9mo ago
      Kyle Rittenhouse
      - thrance 9mo ago
        Yup. The right is actually pro-murder. And now, with each passing day comes a new reminder.
    - _DeadFred_ 9mo ago
      The man was a Veterans Administration ICU nurse who cared for sick veterans that was helping a woman that ICE pushed to the ground and then used chemical weapons on. There are quite a few doctors giving testimonials to this man's character at the VA. The right will tell you that an awful/chaotic world is one where a male ICU nurses helps a woman pushed to the ground and sprayed in the face with less lethal weapons by government jackboots wearing masks. The right will tell you that a sane/reasonable world is one where that man is extra-judicially murdered and the woman taken into government custody.
_DeadFred_ 9mo ago
If the Right does end up defending this, I don't see how they are compatible with the USA that I was taught to believe in my whole life.
- crote 9mo ago
  Isn't it obvious? You were taught a lie. All the blathering about "freedom", "democracy", and "constitutional rights" is just propaganda you've been spoon-fed since you were a child. The USA has spent the last 80 years riding the wave of contributing to the victory in WWII and therefore being the "Good Guys", and most of the Western world happily played along as their political goals aligned with it. Meanwhile the USA hasn't addressed its deeply-rooted internal issues which have been festering for well over a century, and the results are now obvious to everyone. It only took Trump a year to make the US an international laughing stock, start a bunch of wars, get rid of the free press, and begin rounding up people he doesn't like. If the USA you were taught to believe in truly existed, the current situation would not have been possible.
  - _DeadFred_ 9mo ago
    Nah. I was taught by the actions of neighbors. I was taught by my school becoming less segregated in California and becoming majority latino and no one caring. I was taught by my grandfather, what he did in his life, and how he lived. I was 'taught' through experiencing something good becoming more good. Get out of here with your doomerism toxicity. You talk like the non-political Russians talk about their country. The USA is not irredeemable.
    - ninkendo 9mo ago
      I just want to thank you for taking the time to reply so thoughtfully to someone who is so intent on letting it all go to shit just so they can think themselves enlightened by predicting it. I have the same response to people who ask me why I don’t leave the country since things are going so bad: fuck that, this is my home. I will always love this country. It is never beyond saving. We have been through worse (the civil war at the very most obvious, but there are plenty of other low points.) We can get through this. We can make it better, we can learn to love our neighbor again, we can learn to trust each other again. We can learn to avoid these tendencies towards hatred. We can’t give up.
belter 9mo ago
>> Sounds like ICE's official word right now is that the guy had a gun. Look at the gray agent taking the victim weapon, that had just been pepper sprayed. He was disarmed before being killed. "Footage of the grey coat officer retrieving the gun" - https://www.reddit.com/r/law/comments/1qlvpbr/footage_of_the_grey_coat_officer_retrieving_the/ https://www.reddit.com/r/law/comments/1qlvpbr/footage_of_the...
- belter 9mo ago
  https://www.reddit.com/r/law/comments/1qm2vi0/heres_your_proof_with_the_moment_of_truth_isolated/ https://www.reddit.com/r/law/comments/1qm2vi0/heres_your_pro...
SilverElfin 9mo ago
Here’s a post analyzing each part of the video and showing the evidence: https://xcancel.com/adamscochran/status/2015119306086900170 https://xcancel.com/adamscochran/status/2015119306086900170 They had him pinned on the ground, then someone takes a gun away from him, and AFTER THAT they put him on his knees and executed him. Additionally, there are many other videos of the agents, taking phones away from the nearby witnesses who recorded all of this. But the most disturbing thing is that the claims made by DHS, Trump, and Noem about what happened were completely made up. They are simply inventing a story and getting it out there as quickly as possible to refute any other competing story. It does not matter to them that this is a lie. The idea is to muddy the waters.
cmurf 9mo ago
What's important to understand is you can do everything lawful, and they will still lie about you and kill you.
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polotics 9mo ago
Well it looks like it's time to say bye-bye to the 2nd amendment right to keep and bear arms in the US, right? NRA and all that notwithstanding it seems if you're bearing arms you will be shot. Interesting times.
- mothballed 9mo ago
  It's hard to argue the guy was even bearing arms. He just kneeled and stoically accepted his execution. And then the people surrounding him asked the feds to please not do that. The Whiskey Rebellion, was bearing arms.
camillomiller 9mo ago
From a purely theoretical standpoint, what should the family victims do then, in a country where rule of law is not being applied anymore? If these deaths will go unpunished - and Alex Pretti's is already well documented and clear EXECUTION - what are the direct consequence as a society with a 2nd amendment?
latexr 9mo ago
It’s like that old Bill Hicks routine, except the US is now doing it to itself instead of (only) other countries. “You all saw him, he had a gun”. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cdf8UvkjUbc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cdf8UvkjUbc

wahnfrieden 9mo ago

It won’t be up to the Minnesota police to investigate. A Minnesota judge gave them a warrant and feds still denied them access.

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toomuchtodo 9mo ago
And when you're unlawfully murdered, you have no recourse. They do not care what you tell them, and if you don't resist, you're potentially dead anyway. They have arrested lawful immigrants and citizens, and held them illegally, in some cases for weeks or months. "Comply and you might get lucky and survive" is not a life safety strategy. I'm unsure where this idea to not resist someone who is very likely to kill you without cause (based on all of the evidence and observations to date) is coming from to be frank. Why ICE Can Kill With Impunity - https://www.wired.com/story/why-ice-can-kill-with-impunity/ https://www.wired.com/story/why-ice-can-kill-with-impunity/ | https://archive.today/gMFRS https://archive.today/gMFRS - January 15th, 2026 ("Over the past decade, US immigration agents have shot and killed more than two dozen people. Not a single agent appears to have faced criminal charges.") (own firearms, have taken firearm training, still aware never to trust law enforcement)
- rolph 9mo ago
  cops are most deceptive when they are smiling, even if it seems like an aside comment, when that big fake smile is there, they are trying to soft extract something from you [P.E.A.C.E.] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PEACE_method_of_interrogation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PEACE_method_of_interrogation
- dismalaf 9mo ago
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  - toomuchtodo 9mo ago
    You seem to not believe they’re murdering people without justification, so there’s no common ground to be had. You will likely always believe their lethal force is justified, regardless of facts, so we are at an impasse.
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      - toomuchtodo 9mo ago
        > The two most recent events were both taped, both seemed to be justified in using force. If a tape comes out where someone is killed and they're not fighting ICE agents or hitting them with a car, then I'll agree that it wasn't justified. Resisting an ICE agent is not a lawful use of lethal force. If you believe it is, you are mistaken and you are free to speak with a legal professional to update your mental model on the topic. Again, we are likely at an impasse based on your belief system (as your statements make it clear you are not speaking from a place of factual evidence based on recent incidents ie "fighting ICE agents or hitting them with a car"). The video in this example shows a citizen being held down and executed by ICE agents. The video also shows he was disarmed before the first shot was fired. Multiple angles are available for review. I am unwilling to argue facts.
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dragontamer 9mo ago
> The video clearly shows him resisting arrest and reaching for something. The video clearly shows the grey-masked (EDIT: Grey-hat, green mask) ICE Agent taking the gun and running away with it before everyone else shoots him. Also, I'm inclined to believe the "arrest" was an illegal arrest to begin with. I had a big post about how police procedure and due process is supposed to work but I know no one gives a crap about due process anymore, so forget it.
- mvdtnz 9mo ago
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  - Freedom2 9mo ago
    I wasn't aware that was grounds for an execution without trial, thanks for clarifying!
    - mvdtnz 9mo ago
      I didn't say it was. I was responding to the specific thing I quoted, > Also, I'm inclined to believe the "arrest" was an illegal arrest to begin with.
  - supertimor 9mo ago
    It’s pretty clear that the person assaulting the woman in the orange backpack was the ICE agent. The ICE agent forcefully pushes the woman to the ground and Alex Pretti gets in between them to protect her as the ICE agent pepper sprays both of them. Orange backpack tries to stand up but is continually pepper sprayed and Alex Pretti uses his body to block the spray and is pushed/slips back onto orange backpack. It then seems like he grabs hold of her to block the spray and tries to lift her from the ground before the agents grab hold of him and pulls her away. At that point, he’s still holding onto her so she gets dragged as well.
  - lovich 9mo ago
    How the fuck do you watch that video and think the guy who was shot is the one assaulting the woman with a red backpack? The ICE agent does an almost comical shove to that woman, then the shot guy and her are pepper sprayed, and he tries to help them up. You are actively lying or schizophrenic. If anyone disagrees with that assesment watch the video he linked.
HaZeust 9mo ago
>"The video clearly shows him resisting arrest and reaching for something." Tell me the EXACT time in the video you see this happen. In the video, there are 4 ICE agents on him and there's not ONE frame where the tackled protester reaches for ANYTHING with his arm/hand. There is, however, a gray-masked ICE agent consistently reaching for what appears to be the protestor's sidearm. And at 0:17, the ICE agent that shoots first reached for his own sidearm, and the ICE agent next to him retrieves what appears to be the protestor's concealed firearm at the same time, and walks away from the pile with it BEFORE shots are even fired. The "threat" - the protestor's right to bear arms - was eliminated before a shot. There is not a single indication that ICE agents were in danger from anyone besides each other. If he was shot dead for possession, there's your answer for 2A, right there. They're shooting people like dogs in broad daylight for recording police interactions (1A) and possessing a firearm (2A), the tree of liberty needs replenishment.
- dragontamer 9mo ago
  Keep an eye on grey-mask. (EDIT: More like grey-hat / green mask). He grabbed a gun and ran away from the wrestling match. You know, long before everyone else executed the guy.
timeon 9mo ago
1. The are not going to investigate it. Totally legit right? 2. This regime likes to post deepfakes (even president himself). Why do you have urge to defend these pedophiles?
- dragontamer 9mo ago
  They're 100% going to investigate, and intimidate, the Red-coat lady in the background, and the dead guy on the ground so that they have political fodder / some kind of character-assassination excuse for why this was all justified.
- dismalaf 9mo ago
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Freedom2 9mo ago
Thank you for this. As far as I understand it, the victim was filming the ICE agent(s). I'm sure you'll agree that counts as resisting arrest and even putting the agent(s) lives at risk.
- the__alchemist 9mo ago
  Hi! I'm curious why you A: Believe this, and B: Think others will agree.
  - Freedom2 9mo ago
    I do not believe this, and I don't think I said I did. Rather, I'm attempting to curiously understand OPs viewpoint, as I don't think it's intellectually honest. (For context, original OP said that the victim was 'resisting arrest')

jimt1234 9mo ago

It's always been strange to me that Americans are allowed to exercise their 2nd Amendment rights...until they get killed by police. Then they should've known not to exercise their 2nd Amendment rights.

JKCalhoun 9mo ago
Yeah, it's almost like people walking around with guns is a bad idea.
- CamperBob2 9mo ago
  Yeah, somebody should do something about that. Masked men with guns and unlimited immunity aren't good to have around in your community. Oh, wait, you meant the victim.
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  - JKCalhoun 9mo ago
    Por qué no los dos? (To borrow a meme.)
    - CamperBob2 9mo ago
      You might as well imagine no religion while you're at it. It's easy if you try... but it's not going to happen. So we might as well stop arguing that the government should have a monopoly on tools of violence. These people should be afraid of us, and not the other way around.
- FpUser 9mo ago
  >"Yeah, it's almost like people walking around with guns is a bad idea." When those people are ICE it definitely is. I think those motherfuckers should be wearing straightjackets
- goatlover 9mo ago

cocomath 9mo ago

Someone captured the beginning of the shooting victim’s interaction with ICE. It certainly doesn’t look as though the person is aggressive or brandishing a weapon. The DHS public statement that the victim was going to “do maximize damage and massacre law enforcement” is outrageous… https://x.com/David_J_Bier/status/2015125221938770324 https://x.com/David_J_Bier/status/2015125221938770324

dragontamer 9mo ago
Pam Bondi's Department of Justice will be worse. They're the ones who are in charge of investigating this. I expect the FBI under her to support ICE and defend them with all their might. The checks and balances at the federal level are all captured. Support Minnesota in this troubling time.
- comfysocks 9mo ago
  No one will be held to account as long as Trump or his collaborators are in power. If anyone views the current situation as a problem, there is no viable solution that doesn’t involve removing MAGA from power.
- Rapzid 9mo ago
  The very first thing Trump administration did after assuming office was fire almost all the Inspectors General. Seems obvious, foreboding and foreshadowing, it was to sweep away any independent oversight and accountability. Oh boy the hand waving away at the time. Now the other shoe is dropping.
duxup 9mo ago
ICE has regularly attacked protesters and bystanders who are simply recording, walking away and so on. Even people just driving through their neighborhood have been dragged out of their vehicles and apprehended. Citizen or otherwise doesn’t seem to matter. They aren’t professionals and operate with neither the training, nor the will to obey the law. Much of the time they seem to believe trying to bait folks into an encounter https://www.reddit.com/r/ICE_Raids/comments/1q7u4kz/ice_agent_pulls_weapon_on_crowd_and_appears_to/ https://www.reddit.com/r/ICE_Raids/comments/1q7u4kz/ice_agen... https://www.reddit.com/r/minnesota/comments/1q7y43s/cbp_points_gun_directly_at_protesters_head/ https://www.reddit.com/r/minnesota/comments/1q7y43s/cbp_poin... In my area all the non white folks don’t come to the bus stop anymore to pickup their kids. Their kids are instructed to race home after school. The schools now have lockdown protocols for ICE. Family businesses opened for decades closed because employees are afraid to come to work.

datsci_est_2015 9mo ago

> What I'm most worried about is that Pam Bondi / Department of Justice refuses to investigate these or properly prosecute these cases. Law enforcement above accountability is a hallmark sign of “too far gone”.

fuzzfactor 9mo ago
Law enforcement is one thing but when Washington sends war-fighters into a state against the will of the state's leadership, somebody has got to be prepared to take some casualties if there is any resistance. The greater the force and amount of armament, the worse it can end up becoming. It wasn't good when it happened in the 19th century either.
- datsci_est_2015 9mo ago
  War-fighter is a generous description given the preparedness of the agents they’re sending. This is how they’re behaving against disorganized whistle-blowing confrontational citizens, not e.g. an ideologically-motivated separatist militia.
  - fuzzfactor 9mo ago
    I know what you mean when the lack of training and integrity stands out. What I see is that some of them seem to display even more of a killer attitude than professional soldiers, and bring a whole additional supply of firepower to each scene when they arrive that was not in the equation before. With that level of highly-armed government-initiated risk introduced, it looks like in almost any neighborhood where there is normally about zero yearly risk of someone being killed, when the "troops" are sent in the risk skyrockets. On a daily basis too which is too frequent to ignore and a virtually incalculable increase, but you don't need numbers to see how bad it is.

starkparker 9mo ago

> At a news conference, Minneapolis Police Chief Brian O’Hara said the man who was shot was a 37-year-old white man with no serious criminal history and a record that showed some parking tickets. Law enforcement sources said Saturday their records show Pretti had no serious criminal history. > O'Hara said the man was a “lawful gun owner” with a permit. Records show that Pretti attended the University of Minnesota. State records show Pretti was issued a nursing license in 2021, and it remains active through March 2026. Minnesota permit-to-carry requirements: https://dps.mn.gov/divisions/bca/public-services-bca/firearms-information/permit-carry https://dps.mn.gov/divisions/bca/public-services-bca/firearm... > Q: Do I have to disclose to a peace officer that I am a permit holder and carrying a firearm? > A: Yes, upon request of a peace officer, a permit holder must disclose to the officer whether or not the permit holder is currently carrying a firearm. So a U.S. citizen who is a legal, permitted gun owner with no outstanding criminal charges, legally carrying in public, who complies with the law and informs a DHS officer that they are legally carrying, is effectively subject to summary execution without due process. (The penalty for permitted carrying without possessing the physical permit card is $25 for a first offense and forfeiture of the weapon; it would've been his first offense per Minneapolis police.) If ever there was a 2A violation, it's a federal officer shooting and killing a legal gun owner solely for possessing a gun in their presence.

mothballed 9mo ago
The bargain with law enforcement has always been that ostensibly if you comply, they will take you in peacefully. For obvious reasons, this is highly advantageous to both parties. It seems like a foolish choice for them to reneg on this. They are essentially signaling that you are a trapped rat with no way out.
- comfysocks 9mo ago
  That’s true if you want to keep the peace. The way to read their actions is that they’re trying to incite violence. If Trump can incite violence then he can invoke the insurrection act, or perhaps declare some form of martial law to seize more power. Perhaps even parlay this into cancelling the midterm elections.

Heapifying 9mo ago

Even if they guy had a gun, it's left to see what actually transpired here. Whether the guy owned the gun, had firearm permit and even if he had a public and/or concealed gun permit.

dragontamer 9mo ago
That's already been revealed by Minnesota Police (thank goodness we at least have some degree of independent investigations going on right now). 1. Only had parking tickets on his criminal record. No other criminal activity. 2. Owned a gun with firearms permit. 3. 36 Years Old, male. EDIT: I misremembered. Its apparently 37 year old male. Minnesota Police only have jurisdiction inside of Minnesota however. So those four+ ICE shooters just need to leave the state and they're safe. The FBI is required to pursue across state lines.
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  - edaemon 9mo ago
    He was a US citizen according to the Minneapolis police chief.
  - dragontamer 9mo ago
    US Citizen with gun permit. Minneapolis Police Chief Brian O’Hara had a press briefing a few hours ago.
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  - CamperBob2 9mo ago
    He was an ICE observer, not a target. He was legally carrying a gun, but the object he was "brandishing" was a phone.
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foogazi 9mo ago

> What I'm most worried about is that Pam Bondi / Department of Justice refuses to investigate these or properly prosecute these cases. There’s a lot to be worried here, but I’m surprised that’s what you are more worried about There is no doubt in my mind that the the current DOJ won’t lift a finger against any of the agents involved

dragontamer 9mo ago
Hmm... well maybe I need to explain my fear better. Because Pam Bondi/DoJ refuses to prosecute these cases, this will _keep happening_ for the foreseeable future. There's no reason for ICE to stop this behavior. Its not today's crime that scares me most. Its the easily predicted future where this gets worse by next month. The converse is the rise of the far-left. We're already seeing Black Panther patrol with long-guns rise up in these times in response to this. I expect more guns and more deadly force, and no one is doing anything to put a stop to it. -------- The left is losing faith in strictly peaceful protest. At least some of them (ie: the Black Panthers forming patrol militia). The right refuses to prosecute murders. This is the worse problem. Where does this lead? Is it too late to stop? Its easily stopped if Pam Bondi simply did an investigation into the use of deadly force. That's the saddest part of all of this.
- ghthor 9mo ago
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  - dragontamer 9mo ago
    Heh. Okay, you go up to the next Black Panther member you see and tell him that to his face. And the worst part is, I don't even know what I'm supposed to say to them anymore. The shooting today 100% proves the Black Panthers correct.
  - Hikikomori 9mo ago
    Nice 2nd amendment when cops are allowed to execute anyone with a gun.

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taylodl 9mo ago
You have the right to carry. Period end. Full stop. Exercising your constitutional right is not "looking for trouble."
- B1FIDO 9mo ago
  If someone is going in to a situation where they know there are armed riot police, armed federal agents, armed and agitated protestors, and several people have already been unalived, I would call them nothing but "suicidal" to carry their own weapon into that situation. Suicidal. Even when concealed and unused. Suicidal. Of course they would be suicidal to go into that situation unarmed, as well. But carrying a weapon would be double-plus-ungood and guaranteed to make them a target for unaliving, sticking out from amongst the crowd bearing rocks and sticks or even Molotov cocktails.
  - dragontamer 9mo ago
    Kyle Rittenhouse
    - thrance 9mo ago
      Yup. The right is actually pro-murder. And now, with each passing day comes a new reminder.
  - _DeadFred_ 9mo ago
    The man was a Veterans Administration ICU nurse who cared for sick veterans that was helping a woman that ICE pushed to the ground and then used chemical weapons on. There are quite a few doctors giving testimonials to this man's character at the VA. The right will tell you that an awful/chaotic world is one where a male ICU nurses helps a woman pushed to the ground and sprayed in the face with less lethal weapons by government jackboots wearing masks. The right will tell you that a sane/reasonable world is one where that man is extra-judicially murdered and the woman taken into government custody.

_DeadFred_ 9mo ago

If the Right does end up defending this, I don't see how they are compatible with the USA that I was taught to believe in my whole life.

crote 9mo ago
Isn't it obvious? You were taught a lie. All the blathering about "freedom", "democracy", and "constitutional rights" is just propaganda you've been spoon-fed since you were a child. The USA has spent the last 80 years riding the wave of contributing to the victory in WWII and therefore being the "Good Guys", and most of the Western world happily played along as their political goals aligned with it. Meanwhile the USA hasn't addressed its deeply-rooted internal issues which have been festering for well over a century, and the results are now obvious to everyone. It only took Trump a year to make the US an international laughing stock, start a bunch of wars, get rid of the free press, and begin rounding up people he doesn't like. If the USA you were taught to believe in truly existed, the current situation would not have been possible.
- _DeadFred_ 9mo ago
  Nah. I was taught by the actions of neighbors. I was taught by my school becoming less segregated in California and becoming majority latino and no one caring. I was taught by my grandfather, what he did in his life, and how he lived. I was 'taught' through experiencing something good becoming more good. Get out of here with your doomerism toxicity. You talk like the non-political Russians talk about their country. The USA is not irredeemable.
  - ninkendo 9mo ago
    I just want to thank you for taking the time to reply so thoughtfully to someone who is so intent on letting it all go to shit just so they can think themselves enlightened by predicting it. I have the same response to people who ask me why I don’t leave the country since things are going so bad: fuck that, this is my home. I will always love this country. It is never beyond saving. We have been through worse (the civil war at the very most obvious, but there are plenty of other low points.) We can get through this. We can make it better, we can learn to love our neighbor again, we can learn to trust each other again. We can learn to avoid these tendencies towards hatred. We can’t give up.

belter 9mo ago

>> Sounds like ICE's official word right now is that the guy had a gun. Look at the gray agent taking the victim weapon, that had just been pepper sprayed. He was disarmed before being killed. "Footage of the grey coat officer retrieving the gun" - https://www.reddit.com/r/law/comments/1qlvpbr/footage_of_the_grey_coat_officer_retrieving_the/ https://www.reddit.com/r/law/comments/1qlvpbr/footage_of_the...

belter 9mo ago
https://www.reddit.com/r/law/comments/1qm2vi0/heres_your_proof_with_the_moment_of_truth_isolated/ https://www.reddit.com/r/law/comments/1qm2vi0/heres_your_pro...

SilverElfin 9mo ago

Here’s a post analyzing each part of the video and showing the evidence: https://xcancel.com/adamscochran/status/2015119306086900170 https://xcancel.com/adamscochran/status/2015119306086900170 They had him pinned on the ground, then someone takes a gun away from him, and AFTER THAT they put him on his knees and executed him. Additionally, there are many other videos of the agents, taking phones away from the nearby witnesses who recorded all of this. But the most disturbing thing is that the claims made by DHS, Trump, and Noem about what happened were completely made up. They are simply inventing a story and getting it out there as quickly as possible to refute any other competing story. It does not matter to them that this is a lie. The idea is to muddy the waters.

cmurf 9mo ago

What's important to understand is you can do everything lawful, and they will still lie about you and kill you.

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polotics 9mo ago

Well it looks like it's time to say bye-bye to the 2nd amendment right to keep and bear arms in the US, right? NRA and all that notwithstanding it seems if you're bearing arms you will be shot. Interesting times.

mothballed 9mo ago
It's hard to argue the guy was even bearing arms. He just kneeled and stoically accepted his execution. And then the people surrounding him asked the feds to please not do that. The Whiskey Rebellion, was bearing arms.

camillomiller 9mo ago

From a purely theoretical standpoint, what should the family victims do then, in a country where rule of law is not being applied anymore? If these deaths will go unpunished - and Alex Pretti's is already well documented and clear EXECUTION - what are the direct consequence as a society with a 2nd amendment?

latexr 9mo ago

It’s like that old Bill Hicks routine, except the US is now doing it to itself instead of (only) other countries. “You all saw him, he had a gun”. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cdf8UvkjUbc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cdf8UvkjUbc