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This guy is complaining about fringing...on 9- and 10-pixel high fonts. That works out to 1.6mm or 1.8mm high characters on a 140 dpi screen, or about 1/16 of a

This guy is complaining about fringing...on 9- and 10-pixel high fonts. That works out to 1.6mm or 1.8mm high characters on a 140 dpi screen, or about 1/16 of an inch. He's also got Cleartype on and set to RGB stripe even though the OLED is not RGB stripe (though to be fair, Windows doesn't really make it clear what each page of the ClearType tuner does). But yeah, if you use a _tiny_ font and sit _really_ close to the screen, you see fringing. In practice for me, it's been unnoticeable.

theshackleford 9mo ago
> In practice for me, it's been unnoticeable. You act like being able to see this a minority opinion, it’s not, and it’s a known issue. And you don’t need to be sitting close, or using a tiny font to notice it. My 4K OLED is noticeably less clear compared to an IPS display and I’d never use it for productivity as a result, because why would I willingly subject myself to an objectively worse experience?
- UltraSane 9mo ago
  Every 4k OLED I've used has been perfectly adequate for programming.
  - dpark 9mo ago
    > perfectly adequate Exactly what I want for the thing I stare at for 8 hours/day. Not great. Not good. Perfectly adequate.
    - dylan604 9mo ago
      That reminds me of the swearing in speech of the new VP in The West Wing.
    - UltraSane 9mo ago
      Adequate as I can't really tell the difference but with OLED you get perfect blacks which make dark mode and white text on black background look much better.
- aappleby 9mo ago
  It's a tradeoff - if you want a fast clear gaming monitor with pure blacks, you get an OLED. If you want the clearest text and are OK with middling response time, you get an IPS.
  - theshackleford 9mo ago
    I went the opposite route because I don't like compromise in either domain and so just bought separate displays. Not an option for all obviously. It actually helped me enforce a separation between WFH/where I relax anyway, so not the worst.
  - badsectoracula 9mo ago
    There is also VA which provides deep (though not pure) blacks, clear text and decent response time though you get some slight smearing on high contrast edges. Personally i prefer VA to IPS by far because IPS looks washed out to me.
- kstenerud 9mo ago
  Whether it's a minority opinion or not, I really can't see the difference. Even when he posted highly zoomed images of VS Code ("Visual Studio Code does a wonderful job demonstrating this problem"), the only thing I noticed is that the image on the right looks slightly brighter than the image on the left. Then as I went back to where he was describing the problem ("fringing"), I kept forgetting when I scrolled back to the images which was which (and which image was supposed to be "worse"). I'm on a 2025 Macbook, so maybe the laptop's monitor masks the issue?
  - writebetterc 9mo ago
    I'm on a M4 Macbook, and I can see it. I'm inclined to totally accept the blog author's experience as true for them, I'd probably experience the same thing.
  - WithinReason 9mo ago
    The image on the right was also out of focus which hides color fringing on the LCD
  - c0nsumer 9mo ago
    (Author here.) That's an interesting point you mention about not seeing it, because prior to buying an OLED I'd read a bunch about fringing and in many articles I just... couldn't see it. I couldn't tell what was being illustrated in the images. It wasn't until I sat in front of one for a few hours, in my room and lighting and with my apps and had funny-feeling eyes and a this-seems-off feeling that I decided to investigate. And yes, those macro photos show fringing, but it /is/ hard to understand how the subpixel pattern translates to on-screen weirdness until you've seen it for yourself.
fgonzag 9mo ago
I have a 49" QD-OLED panel. I have never been one to find visual artifacts distracting, but fonts were awfully jaggy in Linux to the point I spent a week tinkering with font config and almost switched panels to a larger miniled since code looked horrible. And I'm someone who was fine with horrible VA low res low quality screens back in the day. The sub pixel geometry on samsung's qd-oled needs very specific font configuration to be correctly displayed, and even then it just stops looking bad.
- trynumber9 9mo ago
  What resolution is that display?
  - aappleby 9mo ago
    The 49" panels I see are 5120x1440, or 109 ppi - not particularly dense.
ksec 9mo ago
My Friend on a 30Hz Phone Screen because of battery saving mode said the difference between 30Hz and 60Hz is so minor, that in "In practice, it's been unnoticeable." At one point in time 95%+ of HN comments were cheering on about Atom the text editor and later VSCode as being fast enough or unnoticeable. When Sublime user are baffled as to why. And Sublime isn't the fastest text editor either before Zed came out. Yes, 10 times out of 10 I could tell an OLED font rendering to LCD. I wish I couldn't. Some people call it taste, some call it absurd requirement. I could go on and on. The point is most people aren't very picky and picky is a definition defined by average. But there are those of us who have, let say very high standards that cares about PPI, Refresh Rate, Colour accuracy etc. Keyboard Key's typing distance, trackpad responsiveness, all the tiny details that I wish I could unseen and un-feel. As the article state, RGB OLED Tandem is coming out, and I cant wait to see it in person. I have been pro LCD on Laptop for so long that when I learned Apple will soon ditch LCD for OLED I was worried. Hopefully the new sub pixel layout will fix it.
- lostlogin 9mo ago
  Don’t forget sound. Listening to music off a phone speaker. It’s so grating that I don’t understand why anyone would do it.
  - ksec 9mo ago
    There was a point in time ( may be 15+ years ago ) I said MacBook have the best laptop speakers and that was one of the reason I brought them. They are not perfect, as any people who cares about audio will tell you but considering the size of laptop they were the best I could get and decent enough. Most of my friends, and nearly everyone on the internet was like, who buys Laptops because of speakers? They all sounded the same. Get a Dell. I think it was on either Anandtech or Tomshardware. It was certainly before Reddit Era. Somewhere along the line, may be 2015 to 2020 Youtube reviewers have been bashing about Dell or other laptops for their crappy cost saving speakers. ( Thank You Dave2D ) And, manage to actually show it in the video how awful they were. All of a sudden "consumer" took notice and have since demanded better speakers. Laptop Speakers in the past 5 years have improved tremendously. As it turns out, people need to learn how to compare. And once they do, they cant unseen it. But in all honesty in the past few years I really really wished I dont have the ability to tell the difference. To not have the mentality how something could be "better". To stop thinking how everything, from Food, Furniture, Tech Stack, UI, Buildings anything could be better. Some say it is a gift, I think it is more of a curse. And it is a struggle and tiring. I then discovered my retreat for peace was to go out to nature and enjoy the creation of god.
fancy_pantser 9mo ago
I use smaller fonts as well and when I first got an older OLED display with a pixel layout not supported by Windows ClearType, I used BetterClearTypeTuner and later MacType to adjust it. It was leagues better after tweaking a few settings and I'm very happy with text now, even on my AW3425DW, which has an older layout they moved on from in recent generations.
heavyset_go 9mo ago
Is there another tool for ClearType that isn't the Windows tuner? It drives me nuts
- chronogram 9mo ago
  Better ClearType Tuner https://github.com/bp2008/BetterClearTypeTuner https://github.com/bp2008/BetterClearTypeTuner
  - heavyset_go 9mo ago
    Thanks
ffsm8 9mo ago
> iMac to a Mac mini in late 2024 Windows?
skullt 9mo ago
> He's also got Cleartype on and set to RGB stripe even though the OLED is not RGB stripe (though to be fair, Windows doesn't really make it clear what each page of the ClearType tuner does). I doubt it's Cleartype, the close up photo of the U3223QE show all subpixels uniformly dimmed on the fringes. The post also says the monitor is attached to a Mac mini and a previous post about OpenSCAD has a screenshot with MacOS window decorations.
- c0nsumer 9mo ago
  Yep -- you've got it exactly. macOS and no Cleartype. Had I been using this on Windows I would have started to solve it by trying to tune that.
blep-arsh 9mo ago
I don't generally use tiny fonts and I hopefully don't sit unreasonably close to the screen yet fringing is very apparent to me (even on window borders, i.e. it's not a font rendering quirk in my case). Just another anecdotal data point.
whatevaa 9mo ago
The issue with his monitor is that regular subpixel hinting of cleartype doesn't work because of different subpixel layout, and DPI is not high enough to not need it. It is a real problem.
kalleboo 9mo ago
He's using a Mac, Apple removed support for subpixel rendering many years ago, it's not ClearType, the display shows color fringing even with grayscale antialiasing, that's what he's complaining about.
torginus 9mo ago
I used to work on custom embedded UIs that supported fractional scaling. This shit is hard. You have to understand there's enormous effort that needs to go into this to make things look good. It's absolutely no surprise to me that Jobs era Apple used to stick to integer scaling ratios with relatively low-res phones while the competition battled with paper specs. The trick to make things look good is to be mindful of the pixel grid, (and the subpixel layout). You have to choose font spacing and fonts so that major font features line up with the pixel grid. You sometimes have to slide a letter a bit to the left or right, which might result in inconsistent spacing, you might even want to have multiple versions of characters to hide these issues. This applies to borders as well (both spacing and thickness). Sometimes you can't make it look good no matter what you try - and the designer has to change it. While flexbox and other super-duper layout algorithms might be very clever, if you use them, there's no way to line things up perfectly, and if you expect to, you might be in a world of hurt. Adding PPI is a poor way to fix this. Even if you 2x the resolution, going from 1080p, to 4K, these issues still persist, and you quickly run out of hardware beyond that. There's no wonder why modern 'flat' UIs usually have 1-2 pixel-ish gradients on edges of features, or use smooth transitions, it's a cop out - but that's the only thing that works with flexible layout, different pixel densities. But subtly, you notice things looking a bit blurry, just as if the images were low-res, even though the pixel density is insane. ClearType is brilliant, but it only works with a certain set of assumptions, like a bit of light bleed (which exists on LCD but not on OLED afaik), and needs to know the subpixel layout, and can result in absolutely gorgeous looking fonts with relatively low res displays. There's a reason why Windows 95-era UIs have a cult following - it's insane how sharp they looked even on hardware that on paper is much worse than modern stuff.
cube2222 9mo ago
I bought a w-oled monitor for office work and gaming, very happy with my oled tv. I returned it after a couple days. I got unbearable eye strain from it, even though I use rather large fonts, and the ppd was the same as with my previous IPS. Yes, the “more fuzzy” text was very much noticeable too. Maybe it varies by person, maybe it’s influenced by things like astigmatism, but I totally see where the author is coming from, and I too am waiting for the new OLED panels to see if there’s an improvement.
- c0nsumer 9mo ago
  (Author here.) I do have astigmatism. You do make me wonder if this plays a part as well...
  - SomeHacker44 9mo ago
    I do too. Combined with progressive lenses and I have significant chromatic aberration issues. Blue and red pixels require different focus, which is sometimes an issue when solid blues and reds are on screen in close proximity. I turn off pure blue colors in my terminal emulator, for example.
    - c0nsumer 9mo ago
      That sounds familiar. I also have ever so slight green-brown color blindness. It's only really noticeable in low light (like in the woods in evenings), but that could well all stack up to be a problem. I also have significant problems with blue LEDs around the house, to the point where I've removed, replaced, or covered almost all of them. They really, really bother me because it feels like my eyes never focus on them and they leave me feeling slightly disoriented.
  - ghusbands 9mo ago
    In my experience, it seems to. My astigmatism (or other eye stuff) seems to move different colours different amounts, leading to wider RGB pixels and making things like Cleartype so much worse. So people were enjoying Cleartype and I was hating the obvious colour-changes and fringes that somehow they weren't seeing. I assume some people are lucky enough to have aberrations that actually make cleartype more pleasant.
c0nsumer 9mo ago
Author here. There is no Cleartype; this is macOS. And as mentioned I couldn't see the fringing from normal use, that only became evident with macro photos. During normal use it just looked sparkly or weird or artifacted. And yes, the fonts are small, but that default size in VS Code or Numbers.app -- the example photos -- work well for me. And look fine on an LCD.
c0nsumer 9mo ago
Those do show the best example, yes. And best to photograph. But it's also noticeable on any high contrast edge or a fine line, like a drawing in Autodesk Fusion (CAD software) or just the lines between spreadsheets. And no, no Cleartype here because (as mentioned in the first paragraph) it's a Mac running macOS.
c0nsumer 9mo ago
(Author here.) There's no Cleartype in use here, as the first paragraph says, it's macOS. And I'm using the default font sizes because they work well for me on an LCD. The point of this post is to document my experience with trying a current-gen generally-available OLED and how it did not work out well because of the subpixel arrangement. It's also not just an issue on text, it affects any high contrast edges, especially perfectly vertical or horizontal ones. This meant that CAD stuff, spreadsheets (the grid), and large colored sections in graphic design software looked off as well.
ghusbands 9mo ago
It's not like the Cleartype tuner actually does what the pages claim - you can go through and use the magnifier to choose the grayscale-only outcomes and still see Windows doing RGB stripe cleartype throughout. People literally have to install third-party tools like MacType or GDI-PlusPlus to get solid font rendering. So blaming users for using it wrong (especially when they're not even on Windows) is odd. Also, many people can see and are bothered by particular non-rectangular pixel layouts - it doesn't require doing odd things.
cogman10 9mo ago
One of the benefits of having somewhat terrible eyesight :). I can see the fine details if I squint and get closer, but for me everything fringes because that's just what astigmatism or a smudge on my glasses does.

theshackleford 9mo ago

> In practice for me, it's been unnoticeable. You act like being able to see this a minority opinion, it’s not, and it’s a known issue. And you don’t need to be sitting close, or using a tiny font to notice it. My 4K OLED is noticeably less clear compared to an IPS display and I’d never use it for productivity as a result, because why would I willingly subject myself to an objectively worse experience?

UltraSane 9mo ago
Every 4k OLED I've used has been perfectly adequate for programming.
- dpark 9mo ago
  > perfectly adequate Exactly what I want for the thing I stare at for 8 hours/day. Not great. Not good. Perfectly adequate.
  - dylan604 9mo ago
    That reminds me of the swearing in speech of the new VP in The West Wing.
  - UltraSane 9mo ago
    Adequate as I can't really tell the difference but with OLED you get perfect blacks which make dark mode and white text on black background look much better.
aappleby 9mo ago
It's a tradeoff - if you want a fast clear gaming monitor with pure blacks, you get an OLED. If you want the clearest text and are OK with middling response time, you get an IPS.
- theshackleford 9mo ago
  I went the opposite route because I don't like compromise in either domain and so just bought separate displays. Not an option for all obviously. It actually helped me enforce a separation between WFH/where I relax anyway, so not the worst.
- badsectoracula 9mo ago
  There is also VA which provides deep (though not pure) blacks, clear text and decent response time though you get some slight smearing on high contrast edges. Personally i prefer VA to IPS by far because IPS looks washed out to me.
kstenerud 9mo ago
Whether it's a minority opinion or not, I really can't see the difference. Even when he posted highly zoomed images of VS Code ("Visual Studio Code does a wonderful job demonstrating this problem"), the only thing I noticed is that the image on the right looks slightly brighter than the image on the left. Then as I went back to where he was describing the problem ("fringing"), I kept forgetting when I scrolled back to the images which was which (and which image was supposed to be "worse"). I'm on a 2025 Macbook, so maybe the laptop's monitor masks the issue?
- writebetterc 9mo ago
  I'm on a M4 Macbook, and I can see it. I'm inclined to totally accept the blog author's experience as true for them, I'd probably experience the same thing.
- WithinReason 9mo ago
  The image on the right was also out of focus which hides color fringing on the LCD
- c0nsumer 9mo ago
  (Author here.) That's an interesting point you mention about not seeing it, because prior to buying an OLED I'd read a bunch about fringing and in many articles I just... couldn't see it. I couldn't tell what was being illustrated in the images. It wasn't until I sat in front of one for a few hours, in my room and lighting and with my apps and had funny-feeling eyes and a this-seems-off feeling that I decided to investigate. And yes, those macro photos show fringing, but it /is/ hard to understand how the subpixel pattern translates to on-screen weirdness until you've seen it for yourself.

fgonzag 9mo ago

I have a 49" QD-OLED panel. I have never been one to find visual artifacts distracting, but fonts were awfully jaggy in Linux to the point I spent a week tinkering with font config and almost switched panels to a larger miniled since code looked horrible. And I'm someone who was fine with horrible VA low res low quality screens back in the day. The sub pixel geometry on samsung's qd-oled needs very specific font configuration to be correctly displayed, and even then it just stops looking bad.

trynumber9 9mo ago
What resolution is that display?
- aappleby 9mo ago
  The 49" panels I see are 5120x1440, or 109 ppi - not particularly dense.

ksec 9mo ago

My Friend on a 30Hz Phone Screen because of battery saving mode said the difference between 30Hz and 60Hz is so minor, that in "In practice, it's been unnoticeable." At one point in time 95%+ of HN comments were cheering on about Atom the text editor and later VSCode as being fast enough or unnoticeable. When Sublime user are baffled as to why. And Sublime isn't the fastest text editor either before Zed came out. Yes, 10 times out of 10 I could tell an OLED font rendering to LCD. I wish I couldn't. Some people call it taste, some call it absurd requirement. I could go on and on. The point is most people aren't very picky and picky is a definition defined by average. But there are those of us who have, let say very high standards that cares about PPI, Refresh Rate, Colour accuracy etc. Keyboard Key's typing distance, trackpad responsiveness, all the tiny details that I wish I could unseen and un-feel. As the article state, RGB OLED Tandem is coming out, and I cant wait to see it in person. I have been pro LCD on Laptop for so long that when I learned Apple will soon ditch LCD for OLED I was worried. Hopefully the new sub pixel layout will fix it.

lostlogin 9mo ago
Don’t forget sound. Listening to music off a phone speaker. It’s so grating that I don’t understand why anyone would do it.
- ksec 9mo ago
  There was a point in time ( may be 15+ years ago ) I said MacBook have the best laptop speakers and that was one of the reason I brought them. They are not perfect, as any people who cares about audio will tell you but considering the size of laptop they were the best I could get and decent enough. Most of my friends, and nearly everyone on the internet was like, who buys Laptops because of speakers? They all sounded the same. Get a Dell. I think it was on either Anandtech or Tomshardware. It was certainly before Reddit Era. Somewhere along the line, may be 2015 to 2020 Youtube reviewers have been bashing about Dell or other laptops for their crappy cost saving speakers. ( Thank You Dave2D ) And, manage to actually show it in the video how awful they were. All of a sudden "consumer" took notice and have since demanded better speakers. Laptop Speakers in the past 5 years have improved tremendously. As it turns out, people need to learn how to compare. And once they do, they cant unseen it. But in all honesty in the past few years I really really wished I dont have the ability to tell the difference. To not have the mentality how something could be "better". To stop thinking how everything, from Food, Furniture, Tech Stack, UI, Buildings anything could be better. Some say it is a gift, I think it is more of a curse. And it is a struggle and tiring. I then discovered my retreat for peace was to go out to nature and enjoy the creation of god.

fancy_pantser 9mo ago

I use smaller fonts as well and when I first got an older OLED display with a pixel layout not supported by Windows ClearType, I used BetterClearTypeTuner and later MacType to adjust it. It was leagues better after tweaking a few settings and I'm very happy with text now, even on my AW3425DW, which has an older layout they moved on from in recent generations.

heavyset_go 9mo ago

Is there another tool for ClearType that isn't the Windows tuner? It drives me nuts

chronogram 9mo ago
Better ClearType Tuner https://github.com/bp2008/BetterClearTypeTuner https://github.com/bp2008/BetterClearTypeTuner
- heavyset_go 9mo ago
  Thanks

ffsm8 9mo ago

> iMac to a Mac mini in late 2024 Windows?

skullt 9mo ago

> He's also got Cleartype on and set to RGB stripe even though the OLED is not RGB stripe (though to be fair, Windows doesn't really make it clear what each page of the ClearType tuner does). I doubt it's Cleartype, the close up photo of the U3223QE show all subpixels uniformly dimmed on the fringes. The post also says the monitor is attached to a Mac mini and a previous post about OpenSCAD has a screenshot with MacOS window decorations.

c0nsumer 9mo ago
Yep -- you've got it exactly. macOS and no Cleartype. Had I been using this on Windows I would have started to solve it by trying to tune that.

blep-arsh 9mo ago

I don't generally use tiny fonts and I hopefully don't sit unreasonably close to the screen yet fringing is very apparent to me (even on window borders, i.e. it's not a font rendering quirk in my case). Just another anecdotal data point.

whatevaa 9mo ago

The issue with his monitor is that regular subpixel hinting of cleartype doesn't work because of different subpixel layout, and DPI is not high enough to not need it. It is a real problem.

kalleboo 9mo ago

He's using a Mac, Apple removed support for subpixel rendering many years ago, it's not ClearType, the display shows color fringing even with grayscale antialiasing, that's what he's complaining about.

torginus 9mo ago

I used to work on custom embedded UIs that supported fractional scaling. This shit is hard. You have to understand there's enormous effort that needs to go into this to make things look good. It's absolutely no surprise to me that Jobs era Apple used to stick to integer scaling ratios with relatively low-res phones while the competition battled with paper specs. The trick to make things look good is to be mindful of the pixel grid, (and the subpixel layout). You have to choose font spacing and fonts so that major font features line up with the pixel grid. You sometimes have to slide a letter a bit to the left or right, which might result in inconsistent spacing, you might even want to have multiple versions of characters to hide these issues. This applies to borders as well (both spacing and thickness). Sometimes you can't make it look good no matter what you try - and the designer has to change it. While flexbox and other super-duper layout algorithms might be very clever, if you use them, there's no way to line things up perfectly, and if you expect to, you might be in a world of hurt. Adding PPI is a poor way to fix this. Even if you 2x the resolution, going from 1080p, to 4K, these issues still persist, and you quickly run out of hardware beyond that. There's no wonder why modern 'flat' UIs usually have 1-2 pixel-ish gradients on edges of features, or use smooth transitions, it's a cop out - but that's the only thing that works with flexible layout, different pixel densities. But subtly, you notice things looking a bit blurry, just as if the images were low-res, even though the pixel density is insane. ClearType is brilliant, but it only works with a certain set of assumptions, like a bit of light bleed (which exists on LCD but not on OLED afaik), and needs to know the subpixel layout, and can result in absolutely gorgeous looking fonts with relatively low res displays. There's a reason why Windows 95-era UIs have a cult following - it's insane how sharp they looked even on hardware that on paper is much worse than modern stuff.

cube2222 9mo ago

I bought a w-oled monitor for office work and gaming, very happy with my oled tv. I returned it after a couple days. I got unbearable eye strain from it, even though I use rather large fonts, and the ppd was the same as with my previous IPS. Yes, the “more fuzzy” text was very much noticeable too. Maybe it varies by person, maybe it’s influenced by things like astigmatism, but I totally see where the author is coming from, and I too am waiting for the new OLED panels to see if there’s an improvement.

c0nsumer 9mo ago
(Author here.) I do have astigmatism. You do make me wonder if this plays a part as well...
- SomeHacker44 9mo ago
  I do too. Combined with progressive lenses and I have significant chromatic aberration issues. Blue and red pixels require different focus, which is sometimes an issue when solid blues and reds are on screen in close proximity. I turn off pure blue colors in my terminal emulator, for example.
  - c0nsumer 9mo ago
    That sounds familiar. I also have ever so slight green-brown color blindness. It's only really noticeable in low light (like in the woods in evenings), but that could well all stack up to be a problem. I also have significant problems with blue LEDs around the house, to the point where I've removed, replaced, or covered almost all of them. They really, really bother me because it feels like my eyes never focus on them and they leave me feeling slightly disoriented.
- ghusbands 9mo ago
  In my experience, it seems to. My astigmatism (or other eye stuff) seems to move different colours different amounts, leading to wider RGB pixels and making things like Cleartype so much worse. So people were enjoying Cleartype and I was hating the obvious colour-changes and fringes that somehow they weren't seeing. I assume some people are lucky enough to have aberrations that actually make cleartype more pleasant.

c0nsumer 9mo ago

Author here. There is no Cleartype; this is macOS. And as mentioned I couldn't see the fringing from normal use, that only became evident with macro photos. During normal use it just looked sparkly or weird or artifacted. And yes, the fonts are small, but that default size in VS Code or Numbers.app -- the example photos -- work well for me. And look fine on an LCD.

c0nsumer 9mo ago

Those do show the best example, yes. And best to photograph. But it's also noticeable on any high contrast edge or a fine line, like a drawing in Autodesk Fusion (CAD software) or just the lines between spreadsheets. And no, no Cleartype here because (as mentioned in the first paragraph) it's a Mac running macOS.

c0nsumer 9mo ago

(Author here.) There's no Cleartype in use here, as the first paragraph says, it's macOS. And I'm using the default font sizes because they work well for me on an LCD. The point of this post is to document my experience with trying a current-gen generally-available OLED and how it did not work out well because of the subpixel arrangement. It's also not just an issue on text, it affects any high contrast edges, especially perfectly vertical or horizontal ones. This meant that CAD stuff, spreadsheets (the grid), and large colored sections in graphic design software looked off as well.

ghusbands 9mo ago

It's not like the Cleartype tuner actually does what the pages claim - you can go through and use the magnifier to choose the grayscale-only outcomes and still see Windows doing RGB stripe cleartype throughout. People literally have to install third-party tools like MacType or GDI-PlusPlus to get solid font rendering. So blaming users for using it wrong (especially when they're not even on Windows) is odd. Also, many people can see and are bothered by particular non-rectangular pixel layouts - it doesn't require doing odd things.

cogman10 9mo ago

One of the benefits of having somewhat terrible eyesight :). I can see the fine details if I squint and get closer, but for me everything fringes because that's just what astigmatism or a smudge on my glasses does.