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The U.S. Government Just Followed Through on Its Ban of DJI Drones

Kapura 9mo ago
Seeing how drone warfare has become the new hot front in 21st century conflicts like Ukraine, it's hard not to speculate on the implications of this as political unrest continues to rise in the U.S. It's no secret that the current U.S. regime views a sizeable portion of its own civilian citizens as enemy combatants. They are already shooting people in the face and not even putting up a pretense of acting shocked at the act. Historically, it is easier to win elections than revolutions; limiting access to game-changing technology puts the power advantage even more firmly in the corner of the regime.
- alex43578 9mo ago
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  - goatlover 9mo ago
    That's not what happened. Why does this keep getting repeated? The videos from different angles are out there for everyone to see.
    - alex43578 9mo ago
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      - Sohcahtoa82 9mo ago
        It's absolutely wild to me that two people can watch the same video and come up with completely different conclusions as to what happened. > She sees he is there, puts it in drive, and pulls forward. The fact that her steering was cranked to the right is proof enough that she was not intending on hitting him.
        alex43578 9mo ago
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        leptons 9mo ago
        He pulled his gun out before she moved the car anywhere. He was already intending to shoot her.
        alex43578 9mo ago
        You do know that’s a lie easily refuted by all the video evidence, right?
        Sohcahtoa82 9mo ago
        Not at all. I watched the video from Ross's phone. At first, from that angle, it actually looks like he's lunging in front of Good's car, but then I remembered the other angle. He moved his phone from his right hand to his left hand so he could grab his gun. But the car is still traveling in reverse as this happens. And when Good starts moving, the wheel is cranked to the right -- away from Ross. I notice something important: Ross did not back away when the car starting moving. He stood his ground. If Good was intending to run over him, all she would have needed to do was center the wheel, maybe even keep it slightly to the left. But no, she was cranked to the right, away from him. Ross didn't move at all, and didn't get run over. From what I can see, Good hit reverse to execute a 2-point turn to leave, and Ross responded by moving his phone to his left hand so he could unholster his gun with his right. But the fact is, Ross failed to properly act according to training. If you do believe someone is trying to run over you, the proper response is to get the hell out of the way, not stand your ground and shoot the driver. Cars aren't exactly known for stopping just because the driver is dead.
        alex43578 9mo ago
        >He pulled his gun out before she moved the car anywhere So this is a lie, by your own admission. Her car is already moving before he reaches for his gun. -- The tactic of relocating is not a legal requirement. Failing to retreat doesn't prevent him from defending himself. While Minnesota absurdly has "duty to retreat" laws, since he is operating as federal law enforcement he is only required to have "reasonable belief that the subject of such force poses an imminent danger of death... to the officer", and he can reasonably believe that she is trying to run him over, given she puts it in gear and pulls forward towards him, from a stop, as he's right at her bumper.
      - mikkupikku 9mo ago
        Its obvious that she was resisting arrest and trying to flee. But as for the ICE agent being in front of the car... barely. I don't believe he genuinely feared for his life, he could have simply stepped out of the way. I think he saw the woman fleeing, figured he was close enough to being in harms way to justify himself, and shot the woman because he was mad at her. I've been in situations like that in Walmart parking lots, where a car jolts forward and I have to jump out of the way, and maybe I say "That crazy bitch just tried to kill me" but while saying that I understand it to be a hyperbolic albeit justified anger at reckless driving, and that nobody was actually trying to kill me, and shooting the driver in the face instead of diving out of the way would be a suboptimal survival strategy even if homicidal intent was there.
        goatlover 9mo ago
        I don't understand what jurisdiction ICE has to enforce traffic laws. We see other vehicles drive around her vehicle, so at most it was a minor inconvenience for ICE. Call the local LE on her if you don't like how she's parked in the road and they can issue a ticket.
        mikkupikku 9mo ago
        Federal agents can arrest people for obstructing them, if you block the road they aren't obliged to defer to local cops and laws, because fucking with federal agents like that violates federal laws. Regardless, none of it justifies a murder.
        goatlover 9mo ago
        The road wasn't blocked since we see other vehicles drive around her, which ICE could have done instead of escalating the situation as we see them doing in dozens of videos coming out of the Minneapolis area. Keep in mind that the administration is not acting in good faith. Trump has politicized ICE to go after blue cities he doesn't like. Stephen Miller started the escalations when he sent ICE to Home Depot parking lots in LA because his desired quoata wasn't being met.
- spiderfarmer 9mo ago
  It's no secret that VC's are profiting massively from this administration. And all comments critical of the current regime are getting downvoted on HN. Something adds up.
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  - noonething 9mo ago
    there's also something weird going on with the posts, i swear i saw the thread change in-between logins.
    - jasonjayr 9mo ago
      Reminder: when you are logged out, HN will show static cached content. Since there's no login session it doesn't have to compute parts of the page unique to the user. When huge stories hit, and HN is overloaded, browing while logged out is the way to get through.
      - noonething 9mo ago
        oh k thank you.
  - shuntress 9mo ago
    Saying "Something adds up" without elaboration is a dog whistle for conspiracy theory weirdos.
    - spiderfarmer 9mo ago
      One of many such services: https://upvote.club/ https://upvote.club/ It’s not a conspiracy, it’s a business model and PR companies use them.
  - Alex2037 9mo ago
    >And all comments critical of the current regime are getting downvoted on HN. there's always r/politics
- justin66 9mo ago
  Merely the documentary function of small drones is a threat to the current US government - their game changing effect on the battlefield in Ukraine is (one hopes) less relevant here. Just the threat of people taking pictures of what's happening is enough for them to restrict flight over an entire large city when ICE moves in. https://chicago.suntimes.com/news/2025/10/02/faa-drone-zone-homeland-security https://chicago.suntimes.com/news/2025/10/02/faa-drone-zone-...
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- ericmay 9mo ago
  Maybe, or maybe it’s just good policy to not import a network of drones from an adversary to democracies across the world, which includes the EU most importantly as China helps Russia with its invasion of Ukraine and is gearing up for some activity in Taiwan. People can just record all this stuff on their iPhones that they already have. You don’t need a DJI drone to record police malfeasance. Maybe you do in China or Iran though. In Iran they are just mowing people down. In China you get disappeared. Interesting that there are no protests about those things though. I guess they just have better social media marketing.
  - watwut 9mo ago
    > as China helps Russia with its invasion of Ukraine America is helping Russia with its invasion of Ukraine.
    - alex43578 9mo ago
      By only giving Ukraine $175,000,000,000, instead of $500B? Or $1T and American boots on the ground? When has American done enough to fight Ukraine’s war for them?
      - ceejayoz 9mo ago
        > When has American done enough to fight Ukraine’s war for them? I'm inclined to think Ukraine is fighting our war for us. The 1980s Cold Warriors would've been flabbergasted at how cheap taking out the Russian military at the knees would wind up being.
        joe_mamba 9mo ago
        It was 30 years of rot, neglect, theft and corruption that did the majority of the damage to Russia's post-USSR military. The army they have today in Ukraine is only a fraction of what they were capable of in the 1980s.
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- defen 9mo ago
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  - Kapura 9mo ago
    idk if you know about bad apples, but the idiom isn't "one bad apple is fine and can be successfully isolated and removed." If we're speaking about the same incident, there was no mistake. it was intentional. there has been no apology from any official source, as one would expect in the case of a tragic mistake.
  - rjtavares 9mo ago
    I guess you haven't read how the government reacted to the incident. Let's put it mildly and say: is wasn't treated as a mistake or bad-apple cop. Just an example: "Vance said the ICE officer was clearly justified in shooting Good. The officer was clearly acting in self-defense, Vance said. He framed Good as "a victim of left-wing ideology" who was spurred by an alleged network of politically motivated groups to interfere with law enforcement." https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/watch-live-vance-joins-white-house-briefing https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/watch-live-vance-joins...
    - notyourwork 9mo ago
      And not one apology or sympathetic comment towards the deceased. Shame on everyone. What a sad timeline.
  - JohnMakin 9mo ago
    Hint: the current democrat establishment is also authoritarian. you're so, so close to it!
    - bbddg 9mo ago
      We don't even have to go that far to realize how quickly the democratic establishment would roll over in the face of a civil war. I don't think Chuck Schumer is going to be leading an armed resistance movement anytime soon.
- aeternum 9mo ago
  Ah yes I'm sure it has nothing to do with the drones running closed proprietary software via OTA updates, with encrypted data connections back to China, while being outfitted with 8k cameras, gps, lidar, etc.
  - radlad 9mo ago
    Reading the article, it actually doesn't. Many US-made drones are also banned.
    - badhackernews 9mo ago
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  - CursedSilicon 9mo ago
    Yes. This administration obviously cares more about checks notes software privacy than political disobedience
  - jameshart 9mo ago
    Much like the TikTok ban this seems like something that could be handled through actually regulating what tech companies are allowed to do, rather than just picking on specific products and saying ‘stop that, it’s making us nervous’. Federal laws about data collection and retention, export, and algorithmic usage… as well as laws about software update channels for hardware devices, eg requiring that it be possible to replace firmware yourself… all sorts of regulations could be put in place that leave the software and hardware markets open, by making it clear where the boundaries are. If DJI or TikTok are doing something bad, prosecute and fine them and enjoin them from doing it again… but make it clear what specific behavior you have a problem with.
    - techjamie 9mo ago
      We're too busy taking car companies' lines that it's reasonable they don't want people going to a local mechanic because "The data your car collected on you might get hacked and sent to China!" rather than asking "What are cars doing collecting this data, if it's such a risk?"
- stickfigure 9mo ago
  Trump will be gone in 3 years. Maybe fewer depending on his health. It's unlikely that this change will have any meaningful effect on US democracy. On the other hand, little drones are effectively munitions now. That means drone manufacturing capacity is effectively munitions manufacturing capacity. We're giving potential adversaries economies of scale building things that may be used to kill us. I'm generally a pretty free market guy but the war in Ukraine has changed some things. My main complaint with this law is that it is so US focused; I'd be fine with drones built in Europe or Japan or other allied nations.
  - jayd16 9mo ago
    That logic also means they shouldn't be banned under 2nd amendment protections, no?
    - aardvarkr 9mo ago
      No, you can think of them more like unarmed artillery shells. Can you walk down the street to buy some artillery munitions? Even if they were considered arms for the purpose of 2a this isn’t a ban on drones but a specific manufacturer. They government can definitely refuse to grant a manufacturer license to sell on this country.
      - toast0 9mo ago
        Pretty sure you can find inert artillery shells for sale if you cjeck your thrift and military surplus store.
      - 542354234235 9mo ago
        After Mcviegh, shouldn’t all U-Haul’s be seen as unarmed vehicular large IEDs? A drone isn’t like an artillery shell because an artillery shell is for putting in an artillery gun. A drone is for flying. Just because something can be modified to serve as some sort of weapon, does make it basically a weapon.
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- jadedanalyst 9mo ago
  Agreed. They can’t control the narrative if journalists and activists can observe brutal state violence against citizens with their pocket drones. I picked up an older DJI model in December and am super glad I did with recent events.
  - lazide 9mo ago
    Well, they can and they do. The core supporters just watch Fox where none of that ever shows up.
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    - poszlem 9mo ago
      How about now: https://xcancel.com/TheRealThelmaJ1/status/2010542907695231016 https://xcancel.com/TheRealThelmaJ1/status/20105429076952310... https://xcancel.com/NewYorker/status/1910856874792046893 https://xcancel.com/NewYorker/status/1910856874792046893 https://xcancel.com/JusticeFwdVa/status/1914987893652705475 https://xcancel.com/JusticeFwdVa/status/1914987893652705475
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      - poszlem 9mo ago
        "Vehicle attacks" is the lie part in your post.
      - gruez 9mo ago
        "attacks" is a stretch when the officer didn't even get hit and the vehicle was turning away from him.
      - iamflimflam1 9mo ago
        I would encourage you to do some more research. Maybe get out of your bubble. The world might not be as black and white as you think it is.
- ivell 9mo ago
  My takeaway is that all previous U.S. administrations had pretense of morality and rules in both international and domestic politics (even when they did dubious stuff). The new administration has realized that there is no need for such pretense to stay in power. Previously Venezuelan attack would have been about "democracy" and "freedom" and "peace". Trump has made it clear that it is for oil. Overall it is probably better for the world society in general that pretense is gone and the realpolitics is laid bare. The risks are no longer ambiguous but real and clearly stated and the world can plan mitigation accordingly.
  - AndrewKemendo 9mo ago
    > My takeaway is that all previous U.S. administrations had pretense of morality and rules in both international and domestic politics This is a perspective that continues to boggle my mind. Every record of the United States acting internationally has been either: Explicitly horrific (Invasion of Grenada, Vietnam, Firebombing then nuking Tokyo, Iraq etc…) Attempts to Subvert or ignore international law (IPCC, ICC, UN…) Or benefits some major industrial corporation (NAFTA, WTO etc…) Please point to any type of transcendent “morality or rules” that isn’t just straight up large scale international realpolitik and propaganda around maintaining global capitalism on behalf of American based owners.
    - ivell 9mo ago
      Actually I mentioned "pretense" in the sense of US pretending to be the good guy.
      - AndrewKemendo 9mo ago
        What do you mean by pretense? The word pretense to me means “we’re gonna actually try this and let’s see how it goes” The United States has literally never done that and we know that because internal documentations for pretty much anything always have some kind of American benefit Nexus it is not based on any type of foundational belief that transcends the concept of “we’re gonna do whatever the people who are the loudest owners of the political system of the United States want to do” Everything else including: Powell going to the UN with a vile full of rice is just straight up unabashed unequivocal propaganda
- reactordev 9mo ago
  I wouldn’t call DJI game-changing technology anymore. We have a very healthy FPV community here in the states perfectly capable of building drones from parts just like Ukraine is doing.
  - skeeter2020 9mo ago
    that's not really comparable with the commercial/hobbyist market that DJI serves. These are not people who are going to research & build their own drones, or seek out small manufacturers; they're the ones who buy of Amazon and want the use of a drone, not drones as a lifestyle.
- WinstonSmith84 9mo ago
  Probably so. Having the software and hardware built in the US facilitate installation of backdoors. This comes handy to control the population just at the moment when the population feels they had an hedge over ICE, the regime, etc.
- KolibriFly 9mo ago
  You don't need a revolution narrative to criticize this ban. It's already bad policy on its own merits: it freezes innovation, hurts hobbyists and small businesses etc
  - Kapura 9mo ago
    These things are true, but they don't explain why the u.s. government would make it a priority to ban such technologies. saying "well, republicans are bad so they do bad things" robs us the ability to understand the world.
    - bdavisx 9mo ago
      The problem with your statement is there's no way to know - the reality is it could have been a bribe or lack of a bribe; it could have been an actual foreign policy decision based on facts; or some other reason. It's not hard to come up with reasons why it was done, but with this administration there's no way to know whatsoever unless you actually know someone on the inside.
      - shigawire 9mo ago
        And reporters are not allowed to ask questions of the people inside. And the voting public wouldn't care if those questions were ignored anyway.
- klipklop 9mo ago
  Interesting that so many here are speculating that this ban is to stop "freedom fighters" in the US and not the obvious case that the US has wanted to reduce dependence on China in areas of critical technology. Drones are not going away in the US, they will just not be made by their primary political adversary. Let's not be hyperbolic, the US is nowhere close to having a revolution or civil War. People need to stop getting their primary world view from doom scrolling instagram or reddit.
  - fn-mote 9mo ago
    I will believe this argument when everything else from domestic appliances to phones is not also made by “their primary political adversary”.
    - klipklop 9mo ago
      So Apple trying to move iPhone production to places like Vietnam does not count? Apple already makes some of their devices in Vietnam now (not iPhone yet.) These things can't happen over night. This decoupling might take decades. Or just be abandoned by the next administration. Who knows?
      - eggnet 9mo ago
        Will Foxconn and other Chinese manufacturers be less involved in Vietnam? How much less?
  - QuantumGood 9mo ago
    "the US is nowhere close to having a revolution or civil War." “It wasn’t Hitler or Himmler who abducted me, beat me, and shot my family. It was the shoemaker, the milkman, the neighbor, who were given a uniform....” —Karl Stojka, Auschwitz survivor (59 new detention facilities since inaugeration, 77 more reopened, $45 billion planned for 41,000+ beds targeting 100,000+ capacity, dozens of deaths reported.) The language of the goverment has shifted to "war" such as: • DHS New Year's Eve launch of the $100M "wartime recruitment" campaign. • Ads portray joining as a "sacred duty" to "defend the homeland" from "foreign invaders," using war-like imagery such as Uncle Sam posters and action movie-style videos. A few other factors from a choice of dozens: • The several lies from the administration about the shooting of Renee Good, such as that the shooter was run over and is recovering in the hospital, besides the actual shooting itself. • Minneapolis has thousands of volunteers for rapid response teams to show up wherever ICE shows us, militarized on both sides. • The biggest No Kings protests ranged from 5-7million. • Congress' check on presidential powers is not happening • Abducting, beating and dropping off those abducted far from where they were abducted. Recent lawsuits: • January 12, 2026, Mark Kelley vs. Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth, the Department of Defense, and the Navy. • Minnesota AG Ellison et al. v. DHS/ICE (Jan 12, 2026): State, Minneapolis, and St. Paul sue over "Operation Metro Surge," alleging unconstitutional raids, excessive force, and viewpoint discrimination; seeks restraining order. • Illinois AG Raoul & Chicago v. DHS/ICE/CBP (Jan 12, 2026): Challenges violent tactics like tear gas use, warrantless detentions, and targeting sensitive locations; seeks prohibitions on enforcement practices I wouldn't say the US is "nowhere close", recognizing that "getting close" is not the same as "happening", and recognizing that "revolution" and "civil war" are not the only possible terms, and that it is a matter of degree.
- like_any_other 9mo ago
  > They are already shooting people in the face and not even putting up a pretense of acting shocked at the act. Are you talking about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Justine_Damond https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Justine_Damond? Yes her killer got off with a slap on the wrist, but even in 2017 when that happened it was nothing new - there have been plenty of unjustified or dubious police killings before and since [1], so I'm confused by that "already" in your sentence - nothing has changed, has it? [1] https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/investigations/police-shootings-database/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/investigations/polic...
- m463 9mo ago
  Has anyone actually bought and used a DJI drone? it is horrible. You cannot fly them with the controller without installing the app, which reports all data to china and has automatic software update. I mean, all other software does this too, but your robot vacuum is not going to take off and fly into your local airfield or power substation. I wish we had MORE government pushback on this kind of thing. I'm just as surprised with texas and tv sets with ACR nonsense.
fidotron 9mo ago
It's this now, but 3D printers, Meshtastic, and the ESP32 all seem likely to catch the ire of the administration if some deal is not done in the coming years. I've been saying it for ages, but a decent easily available western equivalent to the ESP32 (meaning easy WiFi) needs to happen, and until it does there will be a giant hole in the middle of the entire maker universe, which increasingly acts as the prototyping stage for commercialized gadgetry.
- brk 9mo ago
  I agree on the need to create an ESP32 equivalent. But the ESP32 doesn't really correlate to DJI here. DJI collects a massive amount of telemetry data and terrain data, forces the average user to upload this data, and isn't exactly forthcoming about what is collected or how it is used. An ESP32 can, for the most part, be fully audited in what it is sending. Yes, the wireless drivers are binary blobs, but the developer has extensive control over the device, and it is easy to monitor/filter/firewall the data sent. 3D printers, as a general category, are also more similar to the ESP32 than to DJI.
  - barbazoo 9mo ago
    > DJI collects a massive amount of telemetry data and terrain data At first I found it hard to believe that this is data they wouldn't get more reliably, more extensively from a satellite. But then I imagine, if you were a bad actor, you wouldn't want all the video, all the exact terrain data, etc, but maybe only that near certain points of interest like energy infrastructure, transportation, etc. So this, paired with satellite data is super powerful. Then again, for most of the US, Google street view exists so there's that, a lot of the data is already out there.
    - sroussey 9mo ago
      And China has its own satellites anyhow. I feel like blocking DJI is just politics of “we have have to do something, anything” and “hey look, we did things” even though those things are irrelevant.
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spiderfarmer 9mo ago
Alternative headline: The US Government Banned All New Foreign Drones. As every foreign-made drone is now on the FCC’s “Covered List.
- fwipsy 9mo ago
  Source? Tfa says only new models of drones are banned.
  - spiderfarmer 9mo ago
    You're correct. The ban targets the supply chain and future imports/sales, not retroactive possession. New foreign drones cannot be certified for sale in the US market going forward. Existing drones you already own aren't being confiscated or made illegal to fly
    - kersplody 9mo ago
      For now. FCC could change this in a couple of months. There is talk of canceling FCC certifications for Autel/DJI.
    - paddleon 9mo ago
      I thought the drones had geofencing, so it should be possible to geofence the entire US and block them that way?
- 8note 9mo ago
  sounds like the kind of thing that the supreme court would strike down, if the law has specifically named drones as disallowed
SkyeCA 9mo ago
I wonder how long until Canada gets pressured into doing the same, just like we always do?
- belval 9mo ago
  I haven't kept up to date but does the US have that much more leverage over Canada anymore? Last I checked we have tariffs on most exports, including crude, wood, steel and aluminium (probably missing a bunch). General goods are tariff'ed at 35% while China is tariff'ed at 47.5%. They could get us to ban DJI for sure but I'd assume it'd be more through carrot than stick, because at this point we've been pretty consistently beaten for the last year.
  - simlevesque 9mo ago
    The threat of invading is hard to beat.
    - paddleon 9mo ago
      you mean like the time they invaded and took Washington DC? Canada being the only country to successfully invade the US or did I mix up my pronoun references again?
  - glitchc 9mo ago
    > General goods are tariff'ed at 35% while China is tariff'ed at 47.5%. Incorrect. General tariffs are only on goods not already covered by CUSMA, which, other than the specific items already called out (aluminum, steel, etc.), is a very small set.
    - belval 9mo ago
      I stand corrected, I guess there are still plenty of sticks to beat us with.
  - 8note 9mo ago
    for now we are still putting the 100% tariff on cars that cant even drive on our roads, on the US' behalf
fwipsy 9mo ago
I wonder how much this is because the war in Ukraine showed that drone manufacturing capacity is a strategic asset?
- mothballed 9mo ago
  Doesn't Ukraine also import most of its drone technology?
  - pixl97 9mo ago
    Hence they are vulnerable to their suppliers....
    - mothballed 9mo ago
      The lesson learned from Ukraine is that importation of drones is a terrific asset, rather than a liability. Maybe you think that lesson would not apply to the USA, but that wouldn't be a lesson learned from Ukraine, rather the lesson learned would be the opposite.
      - gordonhart 9mo ago
        The lesson learned from Ukraine is that a robust drone supply chain is very important. For some countries it doesn't matter if this supply chain is rooted in China, for others it matters a lot.
      - jjk166 9mo ago
        The lesson from Ukraine is the importance of having access to drones. It doesn't take any remarkable mental feats to realize that if your primary source of drones is China, then that access may not be reliable in the event of conflict with China.
        mothballed 9mo ago
        Reducing the diversity of your supply chain and instead making your self so incredibly vulnerable that all an adversary has to do is fubar your own domestic supply chain (because imports have long been banned) is way less robust than maintaining imports. If you actually wanted what you claim, you'd allow imports while taxing or subsidizing until they look roughly break even with domestic offerings.
kristofferR 9mo ago
So unless I'm reading this incorrectly, DJI can keep selling existing models forever in the US? The US just can't get updated versions of drones?
- vatsachak 9mo ago
  Yep
- rpcope1 9mo ago
  Until the FCC wakes up and decides to change any detail of how they certify (which can happen easily), and then everything becomes no longer certified, and you'd basically have a full blanket ban of any transmitter, receiver, esc, motor, completed drone (or anything else that even incidentally emits EMI) that wasn't built in the US. The cards are set up there that it's extremely easy for them to just "incidentally" change a few things and hey no more drones of almost any sort, or RC planes, or hell parts for a whole lot of things.
DetectDefect 9mo ago
Not surprising. Asymmetrically-powerful personal technology is a threat to the State's monopoly of force and power. Same reason for US juristictions banning hardware "hacking" devices, firearms manufacturing, 3D printing - hell, even building and maintaining a PC is becoming untenable. The writing is on the wall for what is next.
- potato3732842 9mo ago
  This. Can't have a hand grenade. A peasant might take the whole entry team with them if they had one of those.
  - kahrl 9mo ago
    Binary explosive materials are freely available at your local general store. So are Molotov’s.
showerst 9mo ago
I'm in favor of tighter regulation on drone imports, both for national security reasons and to try to jumpstart a US drone industry. Not allowing _any_ foreign made components, however, is insane, as is not even auditing DJI when they didn't put up a fight. They have to know they're just killing the small drone industry completely.
- shuntress 9mo ago
  Limiting competition does not jump start anything it simply introduces complacency.
  - showerst 9mo ago
    There’s currently nobody in the us small drone market to get complacent. Is there a single company that designs and builds sub $10,000 drones in the US?
- lazide 9mo ago
  Less drones for you, more for the military. There is no real downsides for the current gov’t here.
  - showerst 9mo ago
    I build hobby scale drones for fun, mostly sub250g micros with no military value. I’d pay more for domestic parts, because I think the capability is strategically valuable, and the quality of Chinese stuff is super variable. There’s basically no industry here because the aliexpress parts are so cheap, so I support some protectionism, understanding that it will make the hobby more expensive. I think you’re probably right, but I think going for million dollar drones from anduril while wiping the rest of the market is a miscalculation.
    - bethekidyouwant 9mo ago
      Where is the ban of cheap motors, escs, cameras, radios from aliexpress? How does this affect hobby drone market at all?
bilekas 9mo ago
News next week : "Donald Trump Jr opens US Drone company with exclusive import license from China." > DJI responded publicly that month that they had nothing to hide, and subsequently spent a year trying to convince the U.S. government to begin the audit. But no federal agency even began There's your answer. There was never any concern over Americans data being sent to China. Also they didn't "Follow through", they simply let the clock run out without even evaluating DJI's reponse to the claims.
- conception 9mo ago
  Uh Next week? You’re late to the party. https://www.nbcnews.com/business/business-news/drone-company-stock-soars-appointing-donald-trump-jr-advisory-board-rcna181987 https://www.nbcnews.com/business/business-news/drone-company...
  - bilekas 9mo ago
    Wow.. my comment on that was means as a little tounge in cheek. Isn't there some expression about when life imitates parody?
- Netcob 9mo ago
  It'll have a shiny gold paint job, and the data will go to palantir instead. Or it would, if it ever reached the buyers.
- appplication 9mo ago
  It’s hard to say on this one. There is a pretty extensive history of Chinese govt spying via consumer products [0]. Having worked formerly with the intelligence community, they tend not to tip their hand when they are aware of asymmetrical information. It’s plausible that the determination was made that there were backdoors/spy equipment/whatever in the products, so no audit or smooth talking from corp representatives would make a difference in this case, given the supply chain remains controlled by an adversary. If you don’t trust that an audit can be executed with integrity then there’s not much point in conducting one at all. The fact that this has been extended to all foreign drones does make that feel like more of a political statement though, or at the very least the original intent is being hijacked for political theater. 0. https://www.cisa.gov/news-events/cybersecurity-advisories/aa25-239a https://www.cisa.gov/news-events/cybersecurity-advisories/aa...
Havoc 9mo ago
They're gonna TACO this. It's too fast with no viable replacement path in sight. Classic trump administration. Do something splashy, then when the media hype dies there is a giant void and no plan whatsoever
- anonu 9mo ago
  They're not that hard to make. USA will be fine. If some of the software and hardware manufacturing expertise can be built here thats great.
  - IAmBroom 9mo ago
    They're hard to develop. That is proven by the fact that DJI is by far the industry leader, and everyone else is trailing. We're not talking about duct-taping a Go Pro to an OTS drone.
    - CrimsonCape 9mo ago
      Just looking at the injection molded shell of my Mavic Mini makes me cringe when thinking about the startup cost. It's the plastic shell; not the motors, nor the circuitry, nor the optical parts...and to think you could build that in the USA is laughable. DJI releases 2-3 models every 2-3 years... if you could even find a company in the USA machining the steel molds at that frequency (i don't think it exists) how are you going to afford the bill?
      - dylan604 9mo ago
        We'll just let Boeing build them. They have the know-how. Plus, if we're talking military drones vs civilian drones, they wouldn't need plastic shells. That'd just be more weight reducing distance. Then again, military industrial complex would probably try to make them stealth capable, be designed by committee from 22 nation states, be micro-USB mandated to comply with EU standards, blah blah. Yeah, you're right, we'd never be able to build them here.
notepad0x90 9mo ago
I think the US military itself relies on big, sophisticated and expensive UAVs. Is there any US-only supply-chain to build millions of cheap drones for military applications? I don't agree with the ban, but if it forces a domestic supply chain, even for civilian use, that might be more tenable. But last I looked, I couldn't find any US vendor that makes similar quality drones, even if they manufacture overseas.
bix6 9mo ago
Ok national defense sure but how about Trump Jr has to divest from drone companies first?
deadbabe 9mo ago
So you can’t even build your own DIY drone?
- smallerfish 9mo ago
  Sure you can. DJI is banned though.
- superkuh 9mo ago
  You can because unless you rock the boat you're unlikely to be charged. But according to the FCC original statement, https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DOC-416839A1.pdf https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DOC-416839A1.pdf ... the import of any foreign made drone parts is also blocked. This includes things like ESCs and flight controllers. Not just items that actually transmit radio signals like camera modules and so are traditionally regulated by the FCC re: import. The best coverage of the FCCs over-reach attempting to regulate all parts, and then their subsequent very tiny walking of it back is Joshua Bardwell's video: https://youtu.be/Dyr87--SDuc https://youtu.be/Dyr87--SDuc (9m47s) Almost all the new exceptions are for government users. The only thing relevant to human persons is the back-stepping change that as long as the components of a drone are 60% made in the USA the entire thing can be considered domestic and imported. Or US retail importers can take the risk of saying that a tx'ing camera module has alternate uses, like as a security camera, and try importing it regardless of the ban. "FCC Updates Covered List to Exempt Certain Drones and Releases FAQs" https://www.fcc.gov/document/fcc-updates-covered-list-exempt-certain-drones-and-releases-faqs https://www.fcc.gov/document/fcc-updates-covered-list-exempt...
jMyles 9mo ago
A society in which ubiquitous, diversely-owned and operated, unlicensed drones watch the every move of police and criminals - even though that means they watch the every move of the rest of us as well - is a society in which I want to live. The outcome of who can lawfully create and deploy eyes in the sky is the ultimate decider of the matter of who watches the watchers. The stakes are significant.
- aeternum 9mo ago
  We could start health insurance companies that monitor everyone's gait and how often they exercise vs eat fast food to adjust prices. Or credit monitoring companies that watch how often you attend the casino vs. work. Or boyfriend monitoring to check for cheaters. Not to mention the targeted ad potential.
throw0101d 9mo ago
See also perhaps from November 2024 (post-election), "Drone company's stock soars after it appoints Donald Trump Jr. to advisory board": * https://www.nbcnews.com/business/business-news/drone-company-stock-soars-appointing-donald-trump-jr-advisory-board-rcna181987 https://www.nbcnews.com/business/business-news/drone-company... * https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/nov/27/donald-trump-jr-drone-company https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/nov/27/donald-trump... Also, from 2025: > In October, Popular Information reported that the Pentagon awarded a contract to Unusual Machines, an obscure drone company that President Trump’s son, Donald Trump Jr., joined as an advisor in November 2024, despite having no notable experience with drones or military contracting. […] > Now, another small startup funded by 1789 Capital, a venture capital firm where Trump Jr. is a partner, will receive a $620 million loan from the Defense Department, the Financial Times reported. Vulcan Elements, which currently has around 30 employees, produces rare-earth magnets, which can be used in “drones, radar systems and other military applications.” The contract was awarded just three months after 1789 invested in Vulcan. * https://popular.info/p/update-trump-jr-backed-startup-receives https://popular.info/p/update-trump-jr-backed-startup-receiv...
vatsachak 9mo ago
Okay I'm gonna build drones on my homestead then
codezero 9mo ago
That these are banned but Chinese made robot vacuums and other appliances are not points to this not being about protecting individual Americans and more about protecting national interests (drones can map out terrain in a lot more detail and are mobile outside of your bedroom, and can be trivially weaponized)
- dylan604 9mo ago
  My Chinese made robot vaccuum can't get from one end of a room to the other without bouncing off the walls multiple times. Makes it kind of hard to deliver ordinance like that. I really don't think these Chinese made robot vacuums you're afraid of are much of a threat.
glitchc 9mo ago
This ban has more to do with how much geodetic data is being transmitted to China and less to do with the actual drone technology. People flying DJI drones are mapping the US on China's behalf, and that too with great fidelity.
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- jjk166 9mo ago
  Satellite synthetic aperture radar can have a resolution of like 6 inches. I can't imagine consumer grade drones are significantly improving on this, and even if they could do better I would question the utility of higher resolution data for anything military related.
  - inetknght 9mo ago
    > I can't imagine consumer grade drones are significantly improving on this https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43073808 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43073808 It's not necessarily better than 6 inches. But it's pretty decent, down to 0.3m, roughly 12 inches. > even if they could do better I would question the utility of higher resolution data for anything military related. Oh boy. Suffice to say that it definitely is useful for many things military related.
    - jjk166 9mo ago
      > Oh boy. Suffice to say that it definitely is useful for many things military related. Can you give a single example?
      - inetknght 9mo ago
        > Can you give a single example? It's not like weapons targeting needs to have high precision data. Robotics or drone planning definitely doesn't need high precision data. Nah. You're right. Higher precision data is absolutely useless to everything.
RobotToaster 9mo ago
I'm sure the fact that Donald J. Trump Jr. is heavily involved in a drone and drone motor company named Unusual Machines has nothing to do with this.
- derbOac 9mo ago
  I'm surprised this part isn't getting more attention. https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1956955/000168316824008412/umac_ex9901.htm https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1956955/000168316824... https://theintercept.com/2025/07/28/donald-trump-jr-son-drones-unusual-machines/ https://theintercept.com/2025/07/28/donald-trump-jr-son-dron...
moogly 9mo ago
How does this interact with this[1] recent decision? Maybe I'm stupid but I don't think the article really explains the US Commerce Dept. decision outcome when the FCC ban is still in effect. [1]: https://www.reuters.com/world/china/us-commerce-department-drops-plan-impose-restrictions-chinese-made-drones-2026-01-09/ https://www.reuters.com/world/china/us-commerce-department-d...
- derbOac 9mo ago
  There's also this case? https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2026/01/supreme-court-takes-case-that-could-strip-fcc-of-authority-to-issue-fines/ https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2026/01/supreme-court-ta...
KolibriFly 9mo ago
Hard to ignore the parallel with other tech bans: vague data-risk claims, no public evidence, no transparent threat model, and zero nuance between consumer toys and critical infrastructure. If this logic were applied consistently, half of consumer electronics would be in trouble
arielweisberg 9mo ago
It’s really not quite like that. https://youtu.be/Dyr87--SDuc?si=EPmTEPQfFtaWV2tt https://youtu.be/Dyr87--SDuc?si=EPmTEPQfFtaWV2tt The impact is more for bind and fly drones that are FCC approved so you don’t need a HAM license to operate them. To me it also looks like there are also loopholes you could drive a truck through in terms of importing partially assembled drones that can be assembled by the end user as well as approving components by making their use not exclusive to UAS. What actually happens remains to be seen because it really depends on what the enforcement actually looks like and how well work arounds work. I think the real goal of the regulators is to ensure an onshore supply chain for government use and there won’t be a focus on civilian usage.
rpcope1 9mo ago
Reading through the notice from the FCC, it sure feels like they've also banned a lot of the critical components that go into line of sight RC airplanes. It really sucks, I kind of wonder if this won't crush the hobby and cause a lot vendors like Horizon or Hobby King to go under if they can't bring in planes or parts. Maybe they think someone is going to do a terrorism with their foamie Crack Yak or Turbo Timber..
kevin42 9mo ago
"And with no American-made drones comparable to the category leaders, it’ll be a while before any company steps up to offer one." The problem is that it would be extremely risky for a US company to spin up a comparable US built drone. Even if they can match the price/quality point, at any given time the government could remove the ban, killing the entire business model.
avazhi 9mo ago
Good.

Seeing how drone warfare has become the new hot front in 21st century conflicts like Ukraine, it's hard not to speculate on the implications of this as political unrest continues to rise in the U.S. It's no secret that the current U.S. regime views a sizeable portion of its own civilian citizens as enemy combatants. They are already shooting people in the face and not even putting up a pretense of acting shocked at the act. Historically, it is easier to win elections than revolutions; limiting access to game-changing technology puts the power advantage even more firmly in the corner of the regime.

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- goatlover 9mo ago
  That's not what happened. Why does this keep getting repeated? The videos from different angles are out there for everyone to see.
  - alex43578 9mo ago
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    - Sohcahtoa82 9mo ago
      It's absolutely wild to me that two people can watch the same video and come up with completely different conclusions as to what happened. > She sees he is there, puts it in drive, and pulls forward. The fact that her steering was cranked to the right is proof enough that she was not intending on hitting him.
      - alex43578 9mo ago
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        leptons 9mo ago
        He pulled his gun out before she moved the car anywhere. He was already intending to shoot her.
        alex43578 9mo ago
        You do know that’s a lie easily refuted by all the video evidence, right?
        Sohcahtoa82 9mo ago
        Not at all. I watched the video from Ross's phone. At first, from that angle, it actually looks like he's lunging in front of Good's car, but then I remembered the other angle. He moved his phone from his right hand to his left hand so he could grab his gun. But the car is still traveling in reverse as this happens. And when Good starts moving, the wheel is cranked to the right -- away from Ross. I notice something important: Ross did not back away when the car starting moving. He stood his ground. If Good was intending to run over him, all she would have needed to do was center the wheel, maybe even keep it slightly to the left. But no, she was cranked to the right, away from him. Ross didn't move at all, and didn't get run over. From what I can see, Good hit reverse to execute a 2-point turn to leave, and Ross responded by moving his phone to his left hand so he could unholster his gun with his right. But the fact is, Ross failed to properly act according to training. If you do believe someone is trying to run over you, the proper response is to get the hell out of the way, not stand your ground and shoot the driver. Cars aren't exactly known for stopping just because the driver is dead.
        alex43578 9mo ago
        >He pulled his gun out before she moved the car anywhere So this is a lie, by your own admission. Her car is already moving before he reaches for his gun. -- The tactic of relocating is not a legal requirement. Failing to retreat doesn't prevent him from defending himself. While Minnesota absurdly has "duty to retreat" laws, since he is operating as federal law enforcement he is only required to have "reasonable belief that the subject of such force poses an imminent danger of death... to the officer", and he can reasonably believe that she is trying to run him over, given she puts it in gear and pulls forward towards him, from a stop, as he's right at her bumper.
    - mikkupikku 9mo ago
      Its obvious that she was resisting arrest and trying to flee. But as for the ICE agent being in front of the car... barely. I don't believe he genuinely feared for his life, he could have simply stepped out of the way. I think he saw the woman fleeing, figured he was close enough to being in harms way to justify himself, and shot the woman because he was mad at her. I've been in situations like that in Walmart parking lots, where a car jolts forward and I have to jump out of the way, and maybe I say "That crazy bitch just tried to kill me" but while saying that I understand it to be a hyperbolic albeit justified anger at reckless driving, and that nobody was actually trying to kill me, and shooting the driver in the face instead of diving out of the way would be a suboptimal survival strategy even if homicidal intent was there.
      - goatlover 9mo ago
        I don't understand what jurisdiction ICE has to enforce traffic laws. We see other vehicles drive around her vehicle, so at most it was a minor inconvenience for ICE. Call the local LE on her if you don't like how she's parked in the road and they can issue a ticket.
        mikkupikku 9mo ago
        Federal agents can arrest people for obstructing them, if you block the road they aren't obliged to defer to local cops and laws, because fucking with federal agents like that violates federal laws. Regardless, none of it justifies a murder.
        goatlover 9mo ago
        The road wasn't blocked since we see other vehicles drive around her, which ICE could have done instead of escalating the situation as we see them doing in dozens of videos coming out of the Minneapolis area. Keep in mind that the administration is not acting in good faith. Trump has politicized ICE to go after blue cities he doesn't like. Stephen Miller started the escalations when he sent ICE to Home Depot parking lots in LA because his desired quoata wasn't being met.
spiderfarmer 9mo ago
It's no secret that VC's are profiting massively from this administration. And all comments critical of the current regime are getting downvoted on HN. Something adds up.
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- noonething 9mo ago
  there's also something weird going on with the posts, i swear i saw the thread change in-between logins.
  - jasonjayr 9mo ago
    Reminder: when you are logged out, HN will show static cached content. Since there's no login session it doesn't have to compute parts of the page unique to the user. When huge stories hit, and HN is overloaded, browing while logged out is the way to get through.
    - noonething 9mo ago
      oh k thank you.
- shuntress 9mo ago
  Saying "Something adds up" without elaboration is a dog whistle for conspiracy theory weirdos.
  - spiderfarmer 9mo ago
    One of many such services: https://upvote.club/ https://upvote.club/ It’s not a conspiracy, it’s a business model and PR companies use them.
- Alex2037 9mo ago
  >And all comments critical of the current regime are getting downvoted on HN. there's always r/politics
justin66 9mo ago
Merely the documentary function of small drones is a threat to the current US government - their game changing effect on the battlefield in Ukraine is (one hopes) less relevant here. Just the threat of people taking pictures of what's happening is enough for them to restrict flight over an entire large city when ICE moves in. https://chicago.suntimes.com/news/2025/10/02/faa-drone-zone-homeland-security https://chicago.suntimes.com/news/2025/10/02/faa-drone-zone-...
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ericmay 9mo ago
Maybe, or maybe it’s just good policy to not import a network of drones from an adversary to democracies across the world, which includes the EU most importantly as China helps Russia with its invasion of Ukraine and is gearing up for some activity in Taiwan. People can just record all this stuff on their iPhones that they already have. You don’t need a DJI drone to record police malfeasance. Maybe you do in China or Iran though. In Iran they are just mowing people down. In China you get disappeared. Interesting that there are no protests about those things though. I guess they just have better social media marketing.
- watwut 9mo ago
  > as China helps Russia with its invasion of Ukraine America is helping Russia with its invasion of Ukraine.
  - alex43578 9mo ago
    By only giving Ukraine $175,000,000,000, instead of $500B? Or $1T and American boots on the ground? When has American done enough to fight Ukraine’s war for them?
    - ceejayoz 9mo ago
      > When has American done enough to fight Ukraine’s war for them? I'm inclined to think Ukraine is fighting our war for us. The 1980s Cold Warriors would've been flabbergasted at how cheap taking out the Russian military at the knees would wind up being.
      - joe_mamba 9mo ago
        It was 30 years of rot, neglect, theft and corruption that did the majority of the damage to Russia's post-USSR military. The army they have today in Ukraine is only a fraction of what they were capable of in the 1980s.
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defen 9mo ago
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- buckle8017 9mo ago
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- Kapura 9mo ago
  idk if you know about bad apples, but the idiom isn't "one bad apple is fine and can be successfully isolated and removed." If we're speaking about the same incident, there was no mistake. it was intentional. there has been no apology from any official source, as one would expect in the case of a tragic mistake.
- rjtavares 9mo ago
  I guess you haven't read how the government reacted to the incident. Let's put it mildly and say: is wasn't treated as a mistake or bad-apple cop. Just an example: "Vance said the ICE officer was clearly justified in shooting Good. The officer was clearly acting in self-defense, Vance said. He framed Good as "a victim of left-wing ideology" who was spurred by an alleged network of politically motivated groups to interfere with law enforcement." https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/watch-live-vance-joins-white-house-briefing https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/watch-live-vance-joins...
  - notyourwork 9mo ago
    And not one apology or sympathetic comment towards the deceased. Shame on everyone. What a sad timeline.
- JohnMakin 9mo ago
  Hint: the current democrat establishment is also authoritarian. you're so, so close to it!
  - bbddg 9mo ago
    We don't even have to go that far to realize how quickly the democratic establishment would roll over in the face of a civil war. I don't think Chuck Schumer is going to be leading an armed resistance movement anytime soon.
aeternum 9mo ago
Ah yes I'm sure it has nothing to do with the drones running closed proprietary software via OTA updates, with encrypted data connections back to China, while being outfitted with 8k cameras, gps, lidar, etc.
- radlad 9mo ago
  Reading the article, it actually doesn't. Many US-made drones are also banned.
  - badhackernews 9mo ago
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- CursedSilicon 9mo ago
  Yes. This administration obviously cares more about checks notes software privacy than political disobedience
- jameshart 9mo ago
  Much like the TikTok ban this seems like something that could be handled through actually regulating what tech companies are allowed to do, rather than just picking on specific products and saying ‘stop that, it’s making us nervous’. Federal laws about data collection and retention, export, and algorithmic usage… as well as laws about software update channels for hardware devices, eg requiring that it be possible to replace firmware yourself… all sorts of regulations could be put in place that leave the software and hardware markets open, by making it clear where the boundaries are. If DJI or TikTok are doing something bad, prosecute and fine them and enjoin them from doing it again… but make it clear what specific behavior you have a problem with.
  - techjamie 9mo ago
    We're too busy taking car companies' lines that it's reasonable they don't want people going to a local mechanic because "The data your car collected on you might get hacked and sent to China!" rather than asking "What are cars doing collecting this data, if it's such a risk?"
stickfigure 9mo ago
Trump will be gone in 3 years. Maybe fewer depending on his health. It's unlikely that this change will have any meaningful effect on US democracy. On the other hand, little drones are effectively munitions now. That means drone manufacturing capacity is effectively munitions manufacturing capacity. We're giving potential adversaries economies of scale building things that may be used to kill us. I'm generally a pretty free market guy but the war in Ukraine has changed some things. My main complaint with this law is that it is so US focused; I'd be fine with drones built in Europe or Japan or other allied nations.
- jayd16 9mo ago
  That logic also means they shouldn't be banned under 2nd amendment protections, no?
  - aardvarkr 9mo ago
    No, you can think of them more like unarmed artillery shells. Can you walk down the street to buy some artillery munitions? Even if they were considered arms for the purpose of 2a this isn’t a ban on drones but a specific manufacturer. They government can definitely refuse to grant a manufacturer license to sell on this country.
    - toast0 9mo ago
      Pretty sure you can find inert artillery shells for sale if you cjeck your thrift and military surplus store.
    - 542354234235 9mo ago
      After Mcviegh, shouldn’t all U-Haul’s be seen as unarmed vehicular large IEDs? A drone isn’t like an artillery shell because an artillery shell is for putting in an artillery gun. A drone is for flying. Just because something can be modified to serve as some sort of weapon, does make it basically a weapon.
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jadedanalyst 9mo ago
Agreed. They can’t control the narrative if journalists and activists can observe brutal state violence against citizens with their pocket drones. I picked up an older DJI model in December and am super glad I did with recent events.
- lazide 9mo ago
  Well, they can and they do. The core supporters just watch Fox where none of that ever shows up.
- simianparrot 9mo ago
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  - poszlem 9mo ago
    How about now: https://xcancel.com/TheRealThelmaJ1/status/2010542907695231016 https://xcancel.com/TheRealThelmaJ1/status/20105429076952310... https://xcancel.com/NewYorker/status/1910856874792046893 https://xcancel.com/NewYorker/status/1910856874792046893 https://xcancel.com/JusticeFwdVa/status/1914987893652705475 https://xcancel.com/JusticeFwdVa/status/1914987893652705475
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    - poszlem 9mo ago
      "Vehicle attacks" is the lie part in your post.
    - gruez 9mo ago
      "attacks" is a stretch when the officer didn't even get hit and the vehicle was turning away from him.
    - iamflimflam1 9mo ago
      I would encourage you to do some more research. Maybe get out of your bubble. The world might not be as black and white as you think it is.
ivell 9mo ago
My takeaway is that all previous U.S. administrations had pretense of morality and rules in both international and domestic politics (even when they did dubious stuff). The new administration has realized that there is no need for such pretense to stay in power. Previously Venezuelan attack would have been about "democracy" and "freedom" and "peace". Trump has made it clear that it is for oil. Overall it is probably better for the world society in general that pretense is gone and the realpolitics is laid bare. The risks are no longer ambiguous but real and clearly stated and the world can plan mitigation accordingly.
- AndrewKemendo 9mo ago
  > My takeaway is that all previous U.S. administrations had pretense of morality and rules in both international and domestic politics This is a perspective that continues to boggle my mind. Every record of the United States acting internationally has been either: Explicitly horrific (Invasion of Grenada, Vietnam, Firebombing then nuking Tokyo, Iraq etc…) Attempts to Subvert or ignore international law (IPCC, ICC, UN…) Or benefits some major industrial corporation (NAFTA, WTO etc…) Please point to any type of transcendent “morality or rules” that isn’t just straight up large scale international realpolitik and propaganda around maintaining global capitalism on behalf of American based owners.
  - ivell 9mo ago
    Actually I mentioned "pretense" in the sense of US pretending to be the good guy.
    - AndrewKemendo 9mo ago
      What do you mean by pretense? The word pretense to me means “we’re gonna actually try this and let’s see how it goes” The United States has literally never done that and we know that because internal documentations for pretty much anything always have some kind of American benefit Nexus it is not based on any type of foundational belief that transcends the concept of “we’re gonna do whatever the people who are the loudest owners of the political system of the United States want to do” Everything else including: Powell going to the UN with a vile full of rice is just straight up unabashed unequivocal propaganda
reactordev 9mo ago
I wouldn’t call DJI game-changing technology anymore. We have a very healthy FPV community here in the states perfectly capable of building drones from parts just like Ukraine is doing.
- skeeter2020 9mo ago
  that's not really comparable with the commercial/hobbyist market that DJI serves. These are not people who are going to research & build their own drones, or seek out small manufacturers; they're the ones who buy of Amazon and want the use of a drone, not drones as a lifestyle.
WinstonSmith84 9mo ago
Probably so. Having the software and hardware built in the US facilitate installation of backdoors. This comes handy to control the population just at the moment when the population feels they had an hedge over ICE, the regime, etc.
KolibriFly 9mo ago
You don't need a revolution narrative to criticize this ban. It's already bad policy on its own merits: it freezes innovation, hurts hobbyists and small businesses etc
- Kapura 9mo ago
  These things are true, but they don't explain why the u.s. government would make it a priority to ban such technologies. saying "well, republicans are bad so they do bad things" robs us the ability to understand the world.
  - bdavisx 9mo ago
    The problem with your statement is there's no way to know - the reality is it could have been a bribe or lack of a bribe; it could have been an actual foreign policy decision based on facts; or some other reason. It's not hard to come up with reasons why it was done, but with this administration there's no way to know whatsoever unless you actually know someone on the inside.
    - shigawire 9mo ago
      And reporters are not allowed to ask questions of the people inside. And the voting public wouldn't care if those questions were ignored anyway.
klipklop 9mo ago
Interesting that so many here are speculating that this ban is to stop "freedom fighters" in the US and not the obvious case that the US has wanted to reduce dependence on China in areas of critical technology. Drones are not going away in the US, they will just not be made by their primary political adversary. Let's not be hyperbolic, the US is nowhere close to having a revolution or civil War. People need to stop getting their primary world view from doom scrolling instagram or reddit.
- fn-mote 9mo ago
  I will believe this argument when everything else from domestic appliances to phones is not also made by “their primary political adversary”.
  - klipklop 9mo ago
    So Apple trying to move iPhone production to places like Vietnam does not count? Apple already makes some of their devices in Vietnam now (not iPhone yet.) These things can't happen over night. This decoupling might take decades. Or just be abandoned by the next administration. Who knows?
    - eggnet 9mo ago
      Will Foxconn and other Chinese manufacturers be less involved in Vietnam? How much less?
- QuantumGood 9mo ago
  "the US is nowhere close to having a revolution or civil War." “It wasn’t Hitler or Himmler who abducted me, beat me, and shot my family. It was the shoemaker, the milkman, the neighbor, who were given a uniform....” —Karl Stojka, Auschwitz survivor (59 new detention facilities since inaugeration, 77 more reopened, $45 billion planned for 41,000+ beds targeting 100,000+ capacity, dozens of deaths reported.) The language of the goverment has shifted to "war" such as: • DHS New Year's Eve launch of the $100M "wartime recruitment" campaign. • Ads portray joining as a "sacred duty" to "defend the homeland" from "foreign invaders," using war-like imagery such as Uncle Sam posters and action movie-style videos. A few other factors from a choice of dozens: • The several lies from the administration about the shooting of Renee Good, such as that the shooter was run over and is recovering in the hospital, besides the actual shooting itself. • Minneapolis has thousands of volunteers for rapid response teams to show up wherever ICE shows us, militarized on both sides. • The biggest No Kings protests ranged from 5-7million. • Congress' check on presidential powers is not happening • Abducting, beating and dropping off those abducted far from where they were abducted. Recent lawsuits: • January 12, 2026, Mark Kelley vs. Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth, the Department of Defense, and the Navy. • Minnesota AG Ellison et al. v. DHS/ICE (Jan 12, 2026): State, Minneapolis, and St. Paul sue over "Operation Metro Surge," alleging unconstitutional raids, excessive force, and viewpoint discrimination; seeks restraining order. • Illinois AG Raoul & Chicago v. DHS/ICE/CBP (Jan 12, 2026): Challenges violent tactics like tear gas use, warrantless detentions, and targeting sensitive locations; seeks prohibitions on enforcement practices I wouldn't say the US is "nowhere close", recognizing that "getting close" is not the same as "happening", and recognizing that "revolution" and "civil war" are not the only possible terms, and that it is a matter of degree.
like_any_other 9mo ago
> They are already shooting people in the face and not even putting up a pretense of acting shocked at the act. Are you talking about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Justine_Damond https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Justine_Damond? Yes her killer got off with a slap on the wrist, but even in 2017 when that happened it was nothing new - there have been plenty of unjustified or dubious police killings before and since [1], so I'm confused by that "already" in your sentence - nothing has changed, has it? [1] https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/investigations/police-shootings-database/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/investigations/polic...
m463 9mo ago
Has anyone actually bought and used a DJI drone? it is horrible. You cannot fly them with the controller without installing the app, which reports all data to china and has automatic software update. I mean, all other software does this too, but your robot vacuum is not going to take off and fly into your local airfield or power substation. I wish we had MORE government pushback on this kind of thing. I'm just as surprised with texas and tv sets with ACR nonsense.

fidotron 9mo ago

It's this now, but 3D printers, Meshtastic, and the ESP32 all seem likely to catch the ire of the administration if some deal is not done in the coming years. I've been saying it for ages, but a decent easily available western equivalent to the ESP32 (meaning easy WiFi) needs to happen, and until it does there will be a giant hole in the middle of the entire maker universe, which increasingly acts as the prototyping stage for commercialized gadgetry.

brk 9mo ago
I agree on the need to create an ESP32 equivalent. But the ESP32 doesn't really correlate to DJI here. DJI collects a massive amount of telemetry data and terrain data, forces the average user to upload this data, and isn't exactly forthcoming about what is collected or how it is used. An ESP32 can, for the most part, be fully audited in what it is sending. Yes, the wireless drivers are binary blobs, but the developer has extensive control over the device, and it is easy to monitor/filter/firewall the data sent. 3D printers, as a general category, are also more similar to the ESP32 than to DJI.
- barbazoo 9mo ago
  > DJI collects a massive amount of telemetry data and terrain data At first I found it hard to believe that this is data they wouldn't get more reliably, more extensively from a satellite. But then I imagine, if you were a bad actor, you wouldn't want all the video, all the exact terrain data, etc, but maybe only that near certain points of interest like energy infrastructure, transportation, etc. So this, paired with satellite data is super powerful. Then again, for most of the US, Google street view exists so there's that, a lot of the data is already out there.
  - sroussey 9mo ago
    And China has its own satellites anyhow. I feel like blocking DJI is just politics of “we have have to do something, anything” and “hey look, we did things” even though those things are irrelevant.
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spiderfarmer 9mo ago

Alternative headline: The US Government Banned All New Foreign Drones. As every foreign-made drone is now on the FCC’s “Covered List.

fwipsy 9mo ago
Source? Tfa says only new models of drones are banned.
- spiderfarmer 9mo ago
  You're correct. The ban targets the supply chain and future imports/sales, not retroactive possession. New foreign drones cannot be certified for sale in the US market going forward. Existing drones you already own aren't being confiscated or made illegal to fly
  - kersplody 9mo ago
    For now. FCC could change this in a couple of months. There is talk of canceling FCC certifications for Autel/DJI.
  - paddleon 9mo ago
    I thought the drones had geofencing, so it should be possible to geofence the entire US and block them that way?
8note 9mo ago
sounds like the kind of thing that the supreme court would strike down, if the law has specifically named drones as disallowed

SkyeCA 9mo ago

I wonder how long until Canada gets pressured into doing the same, just like we always do?

belval 9mo ago
I haven't kept up to date but does the US have that much more leverage over Canada anymore? Last I checked we have tariffs on most exports, including crude, wood, steel and aluminium (probably missing a bunch). General goods are tariff'ed at 35% while China is tariff'ed at 47.5%. They could get us to ban DJI for sure but I'd assume it'd be more through carrot than stick, because at this point we've been pretty consistently beaten for the last year.
- simlevesque 9mo ago
  The threat of invading is hard to beat.
  - paddleon 9mo ago
    you mean like the time they invaded and took Washington DC? Canada being the only country to successfully invade the US or did I mix up my pronoun references again?
- glitchc 9mo ago
  > General goods are tariff'ed at 35% while China is tariff'ed at 47.5%. Incorrect. General tariffs are only on goods not already covered by CUSMA, which, other than the specific items already called out (aluminum, steel, etc.), is a very small set.
  - belval 9mo ago
    I stand corrected, I guess there are still plenty of sticks to beat us with.
- 8note 9mo ago
  for now we are still putting the 100% tariff on cars that cant even drive on our roads, on the US' behalf

fwipsy 9mo ago

I wonder how much this is because the war in Ukraine showed that drone manufacturing capacity is a strategic asset?

mothballed 9mo ago
Doesn't Ukraine also import most of its drone technology?
- pixl97 9mo ago
  Hence they are vulnerable to their suppliers....
  - mothballed 9mo ago
    The lesson learned from Ukraine is that importation of drones is a terrific asset, rather than a liability. Maybe you think that lesson would not apply to the USA, but that wouldn't be a lesson learned from Ukraine, rather the lesson learned would be the opposite.
    - gordonhart 9mo ago
      The lesson learned from Ukraine is that a robust drone supply chain is very important. For some countries it doesn't matter if this supply chain is rooted in China, for others it matters a lot.
    - jjk166 9mo ago
      The lesson from Ukraine is the importance of having access to drones. It doesn't take any remarkable mental feats to realize that if your primary source of drones is China, then that access may not be reliable in the event of conflict with China.
      - mothballed 9mo ago
        Reducing the diversity of your supply chain and instead making your self so incredibly vulnerable that all an adversary has to do is fubar your own domestic supply chain (because imports have long been banned) is way less robust than maintaining imports. If you actually wanted what you claim, you'd allow imports while taxing or subsidizing until they look roughly break even with domestic offerings.

kristofferR 9mo ago

So unless I'm reading this incorrectly, DJI can keep selling existing models forever in the US? The US just can't get updated versions of drones?

vatsachak 9mo ago
Yep
rpcope1 9mo ago
Until the FCC wakes up and decides to change any detail of how they certify (which can happen easily), and then everything becomes no longer certified, and you'd basically have a full blanket ban of any transmitter, receiver, esc, motor, completed drone (or anything else that even incidentally emits EMI) that wasn't built in the US. The cards are set up there that it's extremely easy for them to just "incidentally" change a few things and hey no more drones of almost any sort, or RC planes, or hell parts for a whole lot of things.

DetectDefect 9mo ago

Not surprising. Asymmetrically-powerful personal technology is a threat to the State's monopoly of force and power. Same reason for US juristictions banning hardware "hacking" devices, firearms manufacturing, 3D printing - hell, even building and maintaining a PC is becoming untenable. The writing is on the wall for what is next.

potato3732842 9mo ago
This. Can't have a hand grenade. A peasant might take the whole entry team with them if they had one of those.
- kahrl 9mo ago
  Binary explosive materials are freely available at your local general store. So are Molotov’s.

showerst 9mo ago

I'm in favor of tighter regulation on drone imports, both for national security reasons and to try to jumpstart a US drone industry. Not allowing _any_ foreign made components, however, is insane, as is not even auditing DJI when they didn't put up a fight. They have to know they're just killing the small drone industry completely.

shuntress 9mo ago
Limiting competition does not jump start anything it simply introduces complacency.
- showerst 9mo ago
  There’s currently nobody in the us small drone market to get complacent. Is there a single company that designs and builds sub $10,000 drones in the US?
lazide 9mo ago
Less drones for you, more for the military. There is no real downsides for the current gov’t here.
- showerst 9mo ago
  I build hobby scale drones for fun, mostly sub250g micros with no military value. I’d pay more for domestic parts, because I think the capability is strategically valuable, and the quality of Chinese stuff is super variable. There’s basically no industry here because the aliexpress parts are so cheap, so I support some protectionism, understanding that it will make the hobby more expensive. I think you’re probably right, but I think going for million dollar drones from anduril while wiping the rest of the market is a miscalculation.
  - bethekidyouwant 9mo ago
    Where is the ban of cheap motors, escs, cameras, radios from aliexpress? How does this affect hobby drone market at all?

bilekas 9mo ago

News next week : "Donald Trump Jr opens US Drone company with exclusive import license from China." > DJI responded publicly that month that they had nothing to hide, and subsequently spent a year trying to convince the U.S. government to begin the audit. But no federal agency even began There's your answer. There was never any concern over Americans data being sent to China. Also they didn't "Follow through", they simply let the clock run out without even evaluating DJI's reponse to the claims.

conception 9mo ago
Uh Next week? You’re late to the party. https://www.nbcnews.com/business/business-news/drone-company-stock-soars-appointing-donald-trump-jr-advisory-board-rcna181987 https://www.nbcnews.com/business/business-news/drone-company...
- bilekas 9mo ago
  Wow.. my comment on that was means as a little tounge in cheek. Isn't there some expression about when life imitates parody?
Netcob 9mo ago
It'll have a shiny gold paint job, and the data will go to palantir instead. Or it would, if it ever reached the buyers.
appplication 9mo ago
It’s hard to say on this one. There is a pretty extensive history of Chinese govt spying via consumer products [0]. Having worked formerly with the intelligence community, they tend not to tip their hand when they are aware of asymmetrical information. It’s plausible that the determination was made that there were backdoors/spy equipment/whatever in the products, so no audit or smooth talking from corp representatives would make a difference in this case, given the supply chain remains controlled by an adversary. If you don’t trust that an audit can be executed with integrity then there’s not much point in conducting one at all. The fact that this has been extended to all foreign drones does make that feel like more of a political statement though, or at the very least the original intent is being hijacked for political theater. 0. https://www.cisa.gov/news-events/cybersecurity-advisories/aa25-239a https://www.cisa.gov/news-events/cybersecurity-advisories/aa...

Havoc 9mo ago

They're gonna TACO this. It's too fast with no viable replacement path in sight. Classic trump administration. Do something splashy, then when the media hype dies there is a giant void and no plan whatsoever

anonu 9mo ago
They're not that hard to make. USA will be fine. If some of the software and hardware manufacturing expertise can be built here thats great.
- IAmBroom 9mo ago
  They're hard to develop. That is proven by the fact that DJI is by far the industry leader, and everyone else is trailing. We're not talking about duct-taping a Go Pro to an OTS drone.
  - CrimsonCape 9mo ago
    Just looking at the injection molded shell of my Mavic Mini makes me cringe when thinking about the startup cost. It's the plastic shell; not the motors, nor the circuitry, nor the optical parts...and to think you could build that in the USA is laughable. DJI releases 2-3 models every 2-3 years... if you could even find a company in the USA machining the steel molds at that frequency (i don't think it exists) how are you going to afford the bill?
    - dylan604 9mo ago
      We'll just let Boeing build them. They have the know-how. Plus, if we're talking military drones vs civilian drones, they wouldn't need plastic shells. That'd just be more weight reducing distance. Then again, military industrial complex would probably try to make them stealth capable, be designed by committee from 22 nation states, be micro-USB mandated to comply with EU standards, blah blah. Yeah, you're right, we'd never be able to build them here.

notepad0x90 9mo ago

I think the US military itself relies on big, sophisticated and expensive UAVs. Is there any US-only supply-chain to build millions of cheap drones for military applications? I don't agree with the ban, but if it forces a domestic supply chain, even for civilian use, that might be more tenable. But last I looked, I couldn't find any US vendor that makes similar quality drones, even if they manufacture overseas.

bix6 9mo ago

Ok national defense sure but how about Trump Jr has to divest from drone companies first?

deadbabe 9mo ago

So you can’t even build your own DIY drone?

smallerfish 9mo ago
Sure you can. DJI is banned though.
superkuh 9mo ago
You can because unless you rock the boat you're unlikely to be charged. But according to the FCC original statement, https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DOC-416839A1.pdf https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DOC-416839A1.pdf ... the import of any foreign made drone parts is also blocked. This includes things like ESCs and flight controllers. Not just items that actually transmit radio signals like camera modules and so are traditionally regulated by the FCC re: import. The best coverage of the FCCs over-reach attempting to regulate all parts, and then their subsequent very tiny walking of it back is Joshua Bardwell's video: https://youtu.be/Dyr87--SDuc https://youtu.be/Dyr87--SDuc (9m47s) Almost all the new exceptions are for government users. The only thing relevant to human persons is the back-stepping change that as long as the components of a drone are 60% made in the USA the entire thing can be considered domestic and imported. Or US retail importers can take the risk of saying that a tx'ing camera module has alternate uses, like as a security camera, and try importing it regardless of the ban. "FCC Updates Covered List to Exempt Certain Drones and Releases FAQs" https://www.fcc.gov/document/fcc-updates-covered-list-exempt-certain-drones-and-releases-faqs https://www.fcc.gov/document/fcc-updates-covered-list-exempt...

jMyles 9mo ago

A society in which ubiquitous, diversely-owned and operated, unlicensed drones watch the every move of police and criminals - even though that means they watch the every move of the rest of us as well - is a society in which I want to live. The outcome of who can lawfully create and deploy eyes in the sky is the ultimate decider of the matter of who watches the watchers. The stakes are significant.

aeternum 9mo ago
We could start health insurance companies that monitor everyone's gait and how often they exercise vs eat fast food to adjust prices. Or credit monitoring companies that watch how often you attend the casino vs. work. Or boyfriend monitoring to check for cheaters. Not to mention the targeted ad potential.

throw0101d 9mo ago

See also perhaps from November 2024 (post-election), "Drone company's stock soars after it appoints Donald Trump Jr. to advisory board": * https://www.nbcnews.com/business/business-news/drone-company-stock-soars-appointing-donald-trump-jr-advisory-board-rcna181987 https://www.nbcnews.com/business/business-news/drone-company... * https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/nov/27/donald-trump-jr-drone-company https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/nov/27/donald-trump... Also, from 2025: > In October, Popular Information reported that the Pentagon awarded a contract to Unusual Machines, an obscure drone company that President Trump’s son, Donald Trump Jr., joined as an advisor in November 2024, despite having no notable experience with drones or military contracting. […] > Now, another small startup funded by 1789 Capital, a venture capital firm where Trump Jr. is a partner, will receive a $620 million loan from the Defense Department, the Financial Times reported. Vulcan Elements, which currently has around 30 employees, produces rare-earth magnets, which can be used in “drones, radar systems and other military applications.” The contract was awarded just three months after 1789 invested in Vulcan. * https://popular.info/p/update-trump-jr-backed-startup-receives https://popular.info/p/update-trump-jr-backed-startup-receiv...

vatsachak 9mo ago

Okay I'm gonna build drones on my homestead then

codezero 9mo ago

That these are banned but Chinese made robot vacuums and other appliances are not points to this not being about protecting individual Americans and more about protecting national interests (drones can map out terrain in a lot more detail and are mobile outside of your bedroom, and can be trivially weaponized)

dylan604 9mo ago
My Chinese made robot vaccuum can't get from one end of a room to the other without bouncing off the walls multiple times. Makes it kind of hard to deliver ordinance like that. I really don't think these Chinese made robot vacuums you're afraid of are much of a threat.

glitchc 9mo ago

This ban has more to do with how much geodetic data is being transmitted to China and less to do with the actual drone technology. People flying DJI drones are mapping the US on China's behalf, and that too with great fidelity.

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jjk166 9mo ago
Satellite synthetic aperture radar can have a resolution of like 6 inches. I can't imagine consumer grade drones are significantly improving on this, and even if they could do better I would question the utility of higher resolution data for anything military related.
- inetknght 9mo ago
  > I can't imagine consumer grade drones are significantly improving on this https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43073808 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43073808 It's not necessarily better than 6 inches. But it's pretty decent, down to 0.3m, roughly 12 inches. > even if they could do better I would question the utility of higher resolution data for anything military related. Oh boy. Suffice to say that it definitely is useful for many things military related.
  - jjk166 9mo ago
    > Oh boy. Suffice to say that it definitely is useful for many things military related. Can you give a single example?
    - inetknght 9mo ago
      > Can you give a single example? It's not like weapons targeting needs to have high precision data. Robotics or drone planning definitely doesn't need high precision data. Nah. You're right. Higher precision data is absolutely useless to everything.

RobotToaster 9mo ago

I'm sure the fact that Donald J. Trump Jr. is heavily involved in a drone and drone motor company named Unusual Machines has nothing to do with this.

derbOac 9mo ago
I'm surprised this part isn't getting more attention. https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1956955/000168316824008412/umac_ex9901.htm https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1956955/000168316824... https://theintercept.com/2025/07/28/donald-trump-jr-son-drones-unusual-machines/ https://theintercept.com/2025/07/28/donald-trump-jr-son-dron...

moogly 9mo ago

How does this interact with this[1] recent decision? Maybe I'm stupid but I don't think the article really explains the US Commerce Dept. decision outcome when the FCC ban is still in effect. [1]: https://www.reuters.com/world/china/us-commerce-department-drops-plan-impose-restrictions-chinese-made-drones-2026-01-09/ https://www.reuters.com/world/china/us-commerce-department-d...

derbOac 9mo ago
There's also this case? https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2026/01/supreme-court-takes-case-that-could-strip-fcc-of-authority-to-issue-fines/ https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2026/01/supreme-court-ta...

KolibriFly 9mo ago

Hard to ignore the parallel with other tech bans: vague data-risk claims, no public evidence, no transparent threat model, and zero nuance between consumer toys and critical infrastructure. If this logic were applied consistently, half of consumer electronics would be in trouble

arielweisberg 9mo ago

It’s really not quite like that. https://youtu.be/Dyr87--SDuc?si=EPmTEPQfFtaWV2tt https://youtu.be/Dyr87--SDuc?si=EPmTEPQfFtaWV2tt The impact is more for bind and fly drones that are FCC approved so you don’t need a HAM license to operate them. To me it also looks like there are also loopholes you could drive a truck through in terms of importing partially assembled drones that can be assembled by the end user as well as approving components by making their use not exclusive to UAS. What actually happens remains to be seen because it really depends on what the enforcement actually looks like and how well work arounds work. I think the real goal of the regulators is to ensure an onshore supply chain for government use and there won’t be a focus on civilian usage.

rpcope1 9mo ago

Reading through the notice from the FCC, it sure feels like they've also banned a lot of the critical components that go into line of sight RC airplanes. It really sucks, I kind of wonder if this won't crush the hobby and cause a lot vendors like Horizon or Hobby King to go under if they can't bring in planes or parts. Maybe they think someone is going to do a terrorism with their foamie Crack Yak or Turbo Timber..

kevin42 9mo ago

"And with no American-made drones comparable to the category leaders, it’ll be a while before any company steps up to offer one." The problem is that it would be extremely risky for a US company to spin up a comparable US built drone. Even if they can match the price/quality point, at any given time the government could remove the ban, killing the entire business model.

avazhi 9mo ago

Good.