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It will be pretty amusing to watch all those westerners who, not so long ago, were talking about "rules based order" pretend nothing is happening or to justify
by dekrg 9mo ago
It will be pretty amusing to watch all those westerners who, not so long ago, were talking about "rules based order" pretend nothing is happening or to justify it.
- realusername 9mo agoI don't think Trump ever cared about rules based order.
- immibis 9mo agoHis defenders kept, and keep, using it as an excuse.
- JumpCrisscross 9mo ago> His defenders kept, and keep, using it as an excuse Genuine request for a source here.
- tome 9mo agoSeconded. I don't recall hearing anyone talk about "the rules based order" until a couple of years ago.
- ModernMech 9mo agoWhen Trump talks about rules, laws, and order it’s in the “L'État, c'est moi” (the state is me) sense. I.e. following the law means following his whims.
- joshuahaglund 9mo agohttps://time.com/5846321/nixon-trump-law-and-order-history/ https://time.com/5846321/nixon-trump-law-and-order-history/ (They said law and order, because they couldn't say anti black)
- JumpCrisscross 9mo ago> (They said law and order, because they couldn't say anti black) Law and order != rules-based international order.
- epistasis 9mo agoNever. Trump wants to be a dictator, he loves Putin, he wants power and any "rules" that control him are antithetical to his entire political program and to his political party. Anybody who wants a rules based order is extremely anti-Trump, just as they are anti-Putin.
- jennyholzer3 9mo agothat's what you get for having conversations with fascists
- potsandpans 9mo agoIt's unreal.
- ncallaway 9mo agoAs a westerner, who believes in the rules based order, I would give anything for our leadership which is launching this illegal war to be sent to the Hague. Our leadership are war criminals, and should be treated as such. Some, specifically, are war criminals who have committed crimes that carry the death penalty, and should be arrested, tried, and (if found guilty) executed.
- stinkbeetle 9mo agoPresumably also the ones who invaded Iraq and occupied Afghanistan, carried out extrajudicial executions, droned weddings, deposed Libya's leader and laid ruin to the country, trafficked arms and money to cartels in South America and ISIS / "JV team" terrorist groups to destroy the Levant Or was that "rules based order"? I think you've been had with the whole "rules based order thing". You can keep winding the clock back and it's the same thing. Iraq 1, Iran, Vietnam, Korea, Somalia. When exactly would you say this alleged "rules based order" was great?
- ncallaway 9mo agoEvery war criminal should be arrested, and tried. I think they should also be hanged, but they generally don't do executions at the Hague is my understanding.
- stinkbeetle 9mo agoYes, lots of the ruling class should be hanged for a lot of reasons, and they're not going to do it themselves at their Hague.
- cosmicgadget 9mo agoSeems like since they're vocally condemning the war criminals, they have neither "been had" nor are inconsistent in any way.
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- JumpCrisscross 9mo ago> all those westerners who, not so long ago, were talking about "rules based order" pretend nothing is happening or to justify it MAGA is a rejection of the international rules-based order. Trump joins Putin and Xi in explicitly rejecting it. To the extent anyone in America is calling for a return to that order, they're doing it while criticising Trump.
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- sapphicsnail 9mo agoThey have the same respect for domestic laws as they do for international ones
- wood_spirit 9mo agoThe UK, for example, stopped intelligence sharing in the Caribbean so as to not be party to war crimes.
- wood_spirit 9mo agoAdding: UK just come out saying they are not involved at all https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cy4qgvwxp08o https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cy4qgvwxp08o This feels so foreign: since Suez the UK government has been backing the US and giving them the fig leaf of international legitimacy in their actions.
- ReflectedImage 9mo agoMAGA at its core is a rejection of the lower classes having wealth.
- adwn 9mo agoNo idea what you're going on about. Those in the West who stand for a rules-based international order certainly didn't ask for this war, and Trump, who did start this war, never gave a shit about rules or norms, international or otherwise.
- tguvot 9mo agoGoing back 7 months: Germany’s Merz says Israel is doing the ‘dirty work for all of us’ by countering Iran In this case probably attitude is probably similar
- TheAlchemist 9mo agoSome certainly will, but not many I think. There are very few westerners outside of the US, who want to have anything to do with what the US are doing now.
- nutjob2 9mo agoTrump hardly is a representative for "westerners", actually the majority of them think he's a lawless looney. No one outside of his administration or party is justifying his actions. Your comment is just bigotry.
- coffeebeqn 9mo agoRules based order has always only applied to small and medium countries. The UN Security Council does whatever the hell they want
- tdeck 9mo agoIf the last 2 years of Gaza genocide didn't do that, I'm n not sure why this would. They'll spend the first 20 minutes talking about how bad Maduro is and the next 5 minutes saying this is "misguided" and didn't go through the proper channels.
- basisword 9mo agoRapist presidents have no authority to defend 'rules based order'. Were you also ok with him defending 'rules based order' by arming Israel as they committed genocide? Or when he committed war crimes by blowing up the boats over the last few months?
- DrBazza 9mo agoWell, 'western' 'rules based order' involves democratic elections and being in 166th place for government transparency isn't a good sign. Appointing your successor isn't exactly democratic, in fact it's very much the sign of most countries that end in dictatorship: "Chavez was elected to a third term in October 2012. However, he was never sworn in due to medical complications; he died in March 2013.[95] Nicolás Maduro was picked by Chavez as his successor, appointing him vice president in 2013." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venezuela#Bolivarian_government_under_Ch%C3%A1vez:_1999%E2%80%932013 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venezuela#Bolivarian_governmen...
- jennyholzer3 9mo ago"rules based order" means putting people with dark skin in handcuffs on TV