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> "one of the largest sources of climate alarmism in the country." It's amazing how fast free speech has been destroyed in the past year. Especially when it co
by epistasis 10mo ago
> "one of the largest sources of climate alarmism in the country."
It's amazing how fast free speech has been destroyed in the past year. Especially when it comes to censorship of science and science's conclusions.
However, I heard many many more people complaining about a lack of free speech in 2023 and 2024 than now. I really wonder what happened to all those principles! It's shocking.
- Coffeewine 10mo agoI think this sums it up pretty well. "When I am weaker than you, I ask you for freedom because that is according to your principles; when I am stronger than you, I take away your freedom because that is according to my principles,"
- azinman2 10mo agoThat’s exactly right.
- ianlevesque 10mo agoYeah, except there aren't even principles at play here. For example, streamline all regulatory approvals, oh except for disfavored groups: https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2025/12/speed-act-passes-in-house-despite-changes-that-threaten-clean-power-projects/ https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2025/12/speed-act-passes...
- lovich 10mo agoThat is very much in line with their principles. A more accurate quote for them is "For my friends, everything; for my enemies, the law."
- DustinEchoes 10mo agoIt’s just pure reaction. Liberals favor renewable energy, so MAGA opposes it. Liberals favor climate science, so MAGA opposes it.
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- g-b-r 10mo agoExamples?
- Eupolemos 10mo agoDo you have a good example?
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- nawgz 10mo agoWhich of these have been met with scorn by liberals? You seem to not get the idea...
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- nawgz 10mo agoYes, you're right, I should google to make your arguments for you! Listing a bunch of white house links and then 2 criticisms (edit: he got it up to about 6 criticisms of marijuana legislation, wow!) which aren't even really about the action but more about the general malfeasance of the administration is an extremely weak supporting argument behind "liberals criticize anything good Trump does the same way conservatives criticized anything good Biden did", because we can identify plentiful examples of naked hypocrisy around the criticisms of Biden - see the autopen debacle for one hilariously manufactured self-owning example. It must really be quite trying to justify Trump's actions, I'm amazed you have failed to use any of that energy on introspection.
- plagiarist 10mo agoThe principles are difficult for you to detect because your values are things like truth or integrity. Their values are just about forming hierarchy.
- BurningFrog 10mo agoThis is of course the standard human view of our ingroup vs our outgroup. The MAGA people, believe it or not, say very similar things about you.
- saagarjha 10mo agoI’m sure they do. But you can see the results of the current administration here.
- SpicyLemonZest 10mo agoThey say much worse things about me! Donald Trump, the leader of the MAGA people, released a Christmas greeting calling me scum (https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/115777270368444049 https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/1157772703684...) - I've never done that and would never do that to even my worst political opponents. I don't understand why people persist in drawing this false equivalence. Are you in a media bubble where you don't see the things Trump says and does?
- tastyface 10mo agoThey are lying. It's a problem how many people seemingly have broken lie detectors these days. I blame social media for this one: far too easy to find a truthy bubble that validates your beliefs.
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- saagarjha 10mo agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keystone_Pipeline#Protests_and_opposition https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keystone_Pipeline#Protests_and...
- narrator 10mo agoAnother example of leftists not understanding things that are obvious. Just because you're protesting doesn't mean you can do things that would be illegal if you weren't protesting. That I have to explain this to you is really annoying.
- saagarjha 10mo agoOh you definitely can, this is often the point of the protest.
- saubeidl 10mo agoThey're not the first with this line of thinking. > When our enemies say: well, we gave you the freedom of opinion back then - yeah, you gave it to us, that's in no way evidence that we should return the favor! Your stupidity shall not be contagious! That you granted it to us is evidence of how dumb you are! -- Joseph Goebbels, 1935
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- epistasis 10mo agoEven calling what the national lab does "alarmism" is objectively a lie meant to distort and politicize basic and important science. I don't need to tell you the political party of the person from the quote because that political party has been working for six a long time to take non-partisan science and politicize it and use that politicization to divide the country. There is no national lab producing "alarmism" and calling it that as justification for cutting funding is meant as a justification for restricting free speech and free science.
- Alupis 10mo agoI'm not sure how/why you are asserting this is a "free speech" or "free science" issue. The government isn't obligated to fund this (or any) lab - private donors are free to step in and continue funding.
- g-b-r 10mo agoI'm sure plenty of oil tycoons will step in
- Alupis 10mo agoYes because "oil tycoons" are clearly the only wealthy people in this country.
- g-b-r 10mo agoMight it be that you can't rely on private funding for things that don't result in a profit? And that there's some disincentive for wealthy people to go against the current administration's policies?
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- orionspelt 10mo agoNot such a shock for people paying attention. Groups have been pushing back about inequality and climate, healthcare, for decades and just ignored. Every political issue in our faces now was called out as a future problem years ago by various groups. Water is finally too hot now for frogs in the middle of pot. Free speech doesn't create an obligation. It's not a binding magic. It's irrelevancy hasn't just happened. It's been a slow death. The shift to information age and science education did not start until after the Boomers and much of GenX were in and out of school and college. The world for them was cheap and just winging it. Science! Bah! Uncle Rico can still throw them balls over that mountain! Was warning people 15 years ago the now 80 year olds in charge are nihilistic and not going to change; they will be dead and are just trolling youth about caring. They’re self selecting biology. Takes $800k/yr to have the buying power $200k/yr had in 1980. The rise in inequality and the global temperature follow a growth pattern that was way too normal to be winging it; what's been allowed economically has been very carefully studied and managed to preserve freedom of agency for the elders. Same as environment: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ExxonMobil_climate_change_denial https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ExxonMobil_climate_change_deni... Same old stupid political inanity as when I was younger. It still works on a lot of people.
- petcat 10mo ago> how fast free speech has been destroyed This doesn't really have anything to do with constitutional "free speech". This is a government agency, not the personal research blog of a private citizen. Government agencies don't have "free speech". That said, it's a shame this is happening. Maybe a future administration will reopen it.
- treadump 10mo ago> Maybe a future administration will reopen it Future administration?
- torstenvl 10mo agoCan you explain what you mean by this comment?
- sonar_un 10mo agoI think that anyone paying attention knows exactly what he meant by that comment.
- mc32 10mo agoIt seems the poster is of the low probability belief that at some point before Nov 2028 elections will be suspended and we will move to some kind of imperial system instead. You can take them up on polymarket.
- dyauspitr 10mo agoThe right has destroyed free speech when compared to all the people up in arms about the left basically pushing around the edges, trying to prevent genocidal propaganda from being dispersed.
- zosima 10mo agoWhat has closing a government agency to do with free speech? Did you interpret the calls for the end of censoring and cancellations that all government agencies must continue to exist forever? And if so is there any resemblance of logic behind that interpretation?
- ffsm8 10mo agoIt seems you're unaware just how many people are climate change sceptics - and not just in the uneducated groups, it's all over the spectrum. Frankly, I wouldn't be surprised about this at all. If anything, I think it might even be the same cause: because climate change sceptics were being suppressed before Trump. To be upfront: I'm not American, but it's hard not to notice how the narrative has changed all over the internet. My personal perspective to the climate crisis has always been a defeatist attitude, I was always in favor of green energy etc, but that's primarily because it would also improve the local area, Air quality etc. from a climate change perspective, it was always pointless, because that's a global issue and cannot be solved by internal regulation in a singular country
- epistasis 10mo ago> It seems you're unaware just how many people are climate change sceptics What does the number of people that oppose the science have to do with anything in my comment? People are stopping th research because they don't like the results, and make up lies about it (like calling it "alarmism") in order to censor further results. They are willing to stop all sorts of basic weather results because of it. How could I not be aware of the number of people, and what does that have to do with anything? Your comment seems to be operating on some logic that is not explained and that I can not guess.
- throw20251220 10mo agoI’m from EU but here’s my take on this. This has nothing to do with freedom of speech. Nobody forbids those people from NCAR to speak up. The administration simply doesn’t want to pay to cultivate their freedom of speech because NCAR is funded in 95% by the federal government.
- saagarjha 10mo agoIf the government defunds you because they don’t like the research you’re publishing, is that not a freedom of speech issue? Definitely seems like it would have a chilling effect on what the institute would want to talk about, no?
- throw20251220 10mo agoNo. There is no “you” in this context. There is ”itself”. They don’t want to pay for it because they apparently don’t agree with the outcome. The government is willingly giving up its own right to speak at its own expense. Those 800 people who will get laid off can start a gofundme and continue their own free speech.
- user____name 10mo agoThey are masters of projection and compartmentalization. These are the same people who were "being censored by the media" while going on Fox News to complain about it. Whining about freedom of speech, or the "demise of Western values", while banning school libraries worth of classic works of western literature for being "subversive". Their heads would probably explode reading Plato or J.S. Mill.
- torstenvl 10mo ago[flagged]