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The professions are traditionally divinity (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divinity_(academic_discipline) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divinity_(academic_discip
by kragen 11mo ago
The professions are traditionally divinity (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divinity_(academic_discipline) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divinity_(academic_discipline)), medicine, and law, so I don't see how you could remove divinity from the list. When you argue for including nursing as a "professional degree", what you're arguing is that it belongs to the category exemplified by those three instances.
Edit: please see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Profession https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Profession for the current undestanding of that category.
- shermantanktop 11mo ago[flagged]
- kragen 11mo agoWithout the 13th-century POV in question, the distinction becomes meaningless.
- yibg 11mo agoWhy? Can we not define what a professional degree is without the historical baggage?
- kragen 11mo agoYou could make up a new category and call it by the same name as the old category, if what you wanted was to confuse people and make clear thinking more difficult. If you want to define a category without historical baggage, I would prefer that you used a different term so that it was clear that you weren't talking about the concept laden with that baggage.
- Jensson 11mo agoI don't think many associate the term with the historical baggage here, so its you who are confusing others by using it that way rather than the opposite.
- kragen 11mo agoThey may not be consciously aware of it, but that makes them more likely to be influenced by it, not less. Having unexamined opinions generally means having self-contradictory opinions, which makes you easy to manipulate. Moreover, the Department of Education is clearly using the term in the sense I am describing, about whose further historical development you can read more in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Profession https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Profession.
- Jensson 11mo ago> Moreover, the Department of Education is clearly using the term in the sense I am describing But that change will confuse people since it has been a professional degree for a long time now. Using ancient definitions causes confusion, it doesn't resolve it.
- kragen 11mo agoI'm talking about divinity, not nursing.
- yibg 11mo agoWords evolve in meaning all the time. What's included in "science" now is very different from what was included 500 years ago. Doesn't mean we should create a new term for it each time a new discipline is added.
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- asddubs 11mo agomaybe we should include alchemy in the list then
- cpburns2009 11mo agoEver heard of Chemistry?
- Jensson 11mo agoChemistry is not alchemy and astronomy is not astrology and philosophy is not divinity.
- cpburns2009 11mo agoAlchemy and astrology were the precursors to modern chemistry and astronomy.
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- jltsiren 11mo agoAlchemy was a subfield of natural philosophy, not a profession. Its European practicioners had typically studied medicine or theology.
- RobRivera 11mo agoIs this sarcasm?
- BigTTYGothGF 11mo agoAnd people say the humanities aren't important....
- RobRivera 11mo agoI Absolutely Adore your handle
- koakuma-chan 11mo agoWhat is divinity?
- op00to 11mo ago[flagged]
- kragen 11mo agoEdited into parent.
- cpburns2009 11mo agoA masters level degree in Christian theology. Traditional Christian denominations require it to be a priest or pastor.
- yencabulator 11mo agoIs the US government preferring one religion over others?
- Jcampuzano2 11mo agoWtf does tradition have to do with it? Why the hell does a large portion of this country give a rats ass about tradition, but also larp as caring about progress and effectiveness. These two are logically inconsistent. If anything we should be removing more traditions than ever.
- kragen 11mo agoWord meanings are determined purely by tradition. There isn't an objective reality about what words do or don't mean apart from how people use them. If you make up your own definitions for words instead of using the traditional ones, you sacrifice the possibility of communication with people who don't know your definitions. That's glory for you!
- the_af 11mo agoWords change meaning and definitions drift all the time. Language isn't static and adapts to modern times. Besides, this bizarre tangent about tradition ignores that this has some very practical downsides for nurses, it's not just about preserving tradition or whatnot.
- cwillu 11mo agoYou're equivocating. Rejecting the relevance of a centuries-old traditional definition does not mean that all words have suddenly lost all meaning.
- api 11mo agoIs nursing not medicine?
- johnisgood 11mo agoIt is.
- caretak3r 11mo ago[flagged]
- sunkeeh 11mo agoThe problem is the "traditionally" part. What merit does tradition have? None.
- kragen 11mo agoOf course tradition has no real merit on its own, but studying the same linguistic tradition is what enables two people to communicate by using language. Unless you manage to complete John Wilkins's project, perhaps, and eliminate the arbitrariness of Wilkins's decisions. However, in this conversation, we are speaking English, whose words owe their meaning entirely to tradition.
- Jensson 11mo ago> However, in this conversation, we are speaking English, whose words owe their meaning entirely to tradition. The meaning of words change over time, so you are wrong, words meaning are not entirely from tradition or else their meaning would not change. Or if you agree that traditions can change, then what the word meant year 1300 doesn't matter, things has changed since then.
- yencabulator 11mo agoAnd the word "word" used to mean "to speak", as in make a sound. The word "merit" likely meant "to assign". Current day meaning matters a lot more than what something used to be.
- arthurcolle 11mo agoYes I profess that these antiquated terms are deeply disturbed