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Regressive. Divinity on the list, but not nursing and advance nursing degrees.
by blinded 11mo ago
Regressive. Divinity on the list, but not nursing and advance nursing degrees.
- torben-friis 11mo agochiropractors also have an origin in pseudoscience, they have sort of evolved into scientific studies in many ways but part of the quackery remains.
- loeg 11mo agoIn what way are they anything but quacks?
- cjbgkagh 11mo agoThey have more scope to experiment, in my case it was a way for me to access PRP injections before wider adoption. They are paid rather orthography to treatment, they can treat other things while also giving you regular spinal adjustments - similar to the idea that researchers should be paid to teach as paying them to research will pollute the research. We need a way to continue paying dentists so they can stop finding ‘soft spots’ that don’t exist. I dislike the quackery but traditional science isn’t free from it either. I wish everyone was rational, evidence based and disinterested (as in not having a particular interest on biasing an outcome). But the world we live in is far from that. Consider the percentage of ‘normal’ medical doctors in Germany who believe in homeopathy. A large part of that is due to the terrain school of thought in medicine which lost out to germ theory. An artifact of history rather than rational people and rational study. I’m still looking for a better way the phrase it; but it seems to me that the belief in the belief of science far exceeds the actual belief in science. If doctors / medical researchers really were so good at research they wouldn’t have taken so long to rediscover the ancient practice of prolotherapy.
- loeg 11mo ago> in my case it was a way for me to access PRP injections before wider adoption So they are not only quacks, but also grifters? The evidence for PRP is basically non-existent. It doesn't hold up in RCTs: https://www.jwatch.org/na54355/2021/12/27/evidence-against-platelet-rich-plasma-injections https://www.jwatch.org/na54355/2021/12/27/evidence-against-p... (To be fair, chiros are not unique in grifting PRP -- I've seen traditional doctors selling it too.) > Consider the percentage of ‘normal’ medical doctors in Germany who believe in homeopathy. I hadn't heard of this, but, yeah, that's also quackery. Wild. 32% of German GPs report "using" homeopathy once a week. The US medical system may have some problems, but at least believing in homeopathy isn't one of them.
- cjbgkagh 11mo agoI had a limp from an injury that persisted for 8 years before PRP cleared it up in 3 months. I would have gotten the French sucrose injections earlier but France was a far way off and I couldn’t afford it at the time. I put it in the bucket of prolotherapy not in the bucket of stem cells and on that basis it absolutely works. Being a substance derived from the patient allows it to skip over regulatory hurdles, as mentioned I would have taken sucrose but that wasn’t on offer. The evidence for prolotherapy working is extensive, far exceeding a single study.
- torben-friis 11mo agoIn studying actual science along with the fake stuff, mostly. Nowadays they have anatomy, physical therapy classes, etc. Some of their techniques are also proven to be useful-ish for short term pain management (not for the reasons they claim, it’s similar to acupuncture). So someone who actually tells the patient that the treatment is exclusively for physical therapy and only short time benefits might be useful. Few are that honest, but for some people that kind of short term help is vital. It might be what gets you through the wait for a long term procedure, or what lets you rest and sleep to improve actual recovery, for example. Pain management is a need for some people.
- wahnfrieden 11mo agoChiropractic was taught to its founder by a ghost
- jeffbee 11mo agoSo you're saying it belongs under divinity?
- gscott 11mo agoThe ghost wasn't holy
- wahnfrieden 11mo agoIt was some regular dead dude’s ghost not god
- drivebyhooting 11mo agoThat’s funny. But when Ramanujan says 1 + 2 + 3 + … = -1/12 because god told him we accept that as a reasonable explanation.
- davorak 11mo ago>But when Ramanujan says 1 + 2 + 3 + … = -1/12 because god told him we accept that as a reasonable explanation. What community accepts that as reasonable explanation?
- drivebyhooting 11mo agoI think Ramanujan’s results attained acclaim and notoriety long before rigorous proofs were discovered. They came to him from God. So apparently divine inspiration can indeed be valuable. Who is to say a Holy Ghost couldn’t divulge secrets of medicine to an anointed prophet.
- wahnfrieden 11mo ago
- drivebyhooting 11mo agoMeanwhile when seeking treatment for pain with western medicine: * first see a GP, no real diagnosis. * get an ultrasound - everyone already knows it won’t show anything of use but insurance companies require this escalation path * get an xray - same as above * maybe if you insist get an MRI. * regardless the treatment is the same: go to a PT’s office.
- the_af 11mo agoThat's an artifact of the health system (as an economic/insurance system), not of medicine itself. Chiropractors are different, the problem with them isn't the bureaucracy of insurance. Conflating medicine with how health systems work in some countries is a serious error.
- yencabulator 11mo agophysical therapist != chiropractor
- kragen 11mo agoThe professions are traditionally divinity (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divinity_(academic_discipline) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divinity_(academic_discipline)), medicine, and law, so I don't see how you could remove divinity from the list. When you argue for including nursing as a "professional degree", what you're arguing is that it belongs to the category exemplified by those three instances. Edit: please see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Profession https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Profession for the current undestanding of that category.
- shermantanktop 11mo ago[flagged]
- kragen 11mo agoWithout the 13th-century POV in question, the distinction becomes meaningless.
- yibg 11mo agoWhy? Can we not define what a professional degree is without the historical baggage?
- kragen 11mo agoYou could make up a new category and call it by the same name as the old category, if what you wanted was to confuse people and make clear thinking more difficult. If you want to define a category without historical baggage, I would prefer that you used a different term so that it was clear that you weren't talking about the concept laden with that baggage.
- Jensson 11mo agoI don't think many associate the term with the historical baggage here, so its you who are confusing others by using it that way rather than the opposite.
- dragonwriter 11mo ago> Regressive. Divinity on the list, but not nursing and advance nursing degrees. The list on the site has Theology, not Divinity (which is a bit ironic, because Divinity is traditionally the professional degree and Theology the academic one.)
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