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I gave it a fair shot. It is a vs code fork. There were some UI glitches. Some usability was better. Cursor has some real annoying usability issues - like thei
by throwaway13337 11mo ago
I gave it a fair shot.
It is a vs code fork. There were some UI glitches. Some usability was better. Cursor has some real annoying usability issues - like their previous/next code change never going away and no way to disable it. Design of this one looks more polished and less muddy.
I was working on a project and just continued with it. It was easy because they import setting from cursor. Feels like the browser wars.
Anyway, I figured it was the only way to use gemini 3 so I got started. A fast model that doesn't look for much context. Could be a preprompt issue. But you have to prod it do stuff - no ambition and a kinda offputting atitude like 2.5.
But hey - a smarter, less context rich Cursor composer model. And that's a complement because the latest composer is a hidden gem. Gemini has potential.
So I start using it for my project and after about 20 mins - oh, no. Out of credits.
What can I do? Is there a buy a plan button? No? Just use a different model?
What's the strategy here? If I am into your IDE and your LLM, how do I actually use it? I can't pay for it and it has 20 minutes of use.
I switched back to cursor. And you know? it had gemini 3 pro. Likely a less hobbled version. Day one. Seems like a mistake in the eyes of the big evil companies but I'll take it.
Real developers want to pay real money for real useful things.
Google needs to not set themselves up for failure with every product release.
If you release a product, let those who actually want to use it have a path to do so.
- charliebwrites 11mo ago> It is a vs code fork Google may have won the browser wars with Chrome, but Microsoft seems to be winning the IDE wars with VSCode
- AstroBen 11mo agoIn user numbers, maybe. JetBrains is far ahead in actual developer experience though
- catlover76 11mo agoAt best, that's subjective, but it's fact that JetBrains is comically far behind when it comes to AI tooling. They have a chance to compete fresh with Fleet, but they are not making progress on even the basic IDE there, let alone getting anywhere near Cursor when it comes to LLM integration.
- AstroBen 11mo agoJetBrains' advantage is that they have full integration and better understanding of your code. WebStorm works better with TypeScript than even Microsoft's own creation. This all translates into AI performance Have you actually given them a real test yet - either Junie or even the baseline chat?
- 9cb14c1ec0 11mo agoJunie is good. Needs a few UI tweaks, but the code it generates is state of the art.
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- aDyslecticCrow 11mo agoI wouldn't underestimate Eclipse user statistics. That may sound insane in 2025, but I've seen a lot of heavily customized eclipse editors still kicking around for vendor specific systems, setting aside that Java is still a pretty large language in its own right.
- vovavili 11mo agoI wouldn't bet on an Electron app winning anything long-term in the dev-oriented space.
- jshen 11mo agoIt's been winning for a while
- wnevets 11mo agoEven if those devs are vibe-oriented?
- verdverm 11mo agowhy? I don't have a problem with it, building extensions for VS Code is pretty easy Alternatives have a lot of features to implement to reach parity
- scotty79 11mo agoEase of writing and testing extensions is actually the cause why Electron won IDE wars. Microsoft made a great decision to jump on the trend and just pour money to lap Atom and such in optimization and polish. Especially when you compare it to Microsoft effort for desktop. They acumulated several more or less component libraries over they years and I still prefer WinForms.
- Aurornis 11mo agoComplaining about Electron is an ideological battle, not a practical argument. The people who push these arguments don’t care that it actually runs very well on even below average developer laptops, they think it should have been written in something native.
- verdverm 11mo agosame people pushing rust as "it's just faster" without considering the complexities that exist outside the language that impact performance?
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- alansammarone 11mo agoI believe our definitions of "winning the IDE wars" are very, very different. For one thing, using "user count" as a metric for this like using "number of lines of code added" in a performance review. And even if that was part of the metric, people who use and don't absolutely fall in love with it, so much so that they become the ones advocating for its use, are only worth a tiny fraction of a "user". neovim won the IDE wars before it even started. Zed has potential. I don't know what IntelliJ is.
- dabockster 11mo ago> I don't know what IntelliJ is. It started as a modernized Eclipse competitor (the Java IDE) but they've built a bunch of other IDEs based on it. Idk if it still runs on Java or not, but it had potential last I used it about a decade ago. But running GUI apps on the JVM isn't the best for 1000 reasons, so I hope they've moved off it.
- hatsix 11mo agoAndroid Studio is built on the IntelliJ stack. Jetbrains just launched a dedicated Claude button (the button just opens up claude in the IDE, but there are some pretty neat IDE integrations that it supports, like being able to see the text selection, and using the IDE's diff tool). I wonder if that's why Google decided to go VS code?
- ffsm8 11mo agoUh, isn't that the regular Claude code extension that's been available for ages at this point? Not jetbrains but anthropics own development? As a person paying for the jetbrains ultimate package (all ides), I think going with vscode is a very solid decision. The jetbrains ides still have various features which I always miss whenever I need to use another IDE (like way better "import" suggestions as an easy to understand example)... But unless you're writing in specific languages like Java, vscode is way quicker and works just fine - and that applies even more to agentic development, where you're using these features less and less...
- WD-42 11mo agoVSCode IS chrome though.
- thanhhaimai 11mo agoVSCode is based on Chromium. https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromium/src/+/HEAD/docs/vscode.md https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromium/src/+/HEAD/docs/v...
- lokimedes 11mo agoWhich is based on Apple Webkit? The winner is always the last marketable brand.
- onion2k 11mo agoThat drives exactly $0 of Apple's revenue. It's only a win if you care about things that don't matter.
- hu3 11mo agoAnd Apple is not even the last node in the chain. WebKit came from KDE's khtml Every year is the year of Linux.
- usrnm 11mo agoBoth are based on khtml. We could be living in a very different world if all that effort stayed inside the KDE ecosystem
- embedding-shape 11mo agoWhich came from "the KDE HTML Widget" AKA khtmlw. Wonder if that's the furthest we can go? > if all that effort stayed inside the KDE ecosystem Probably nowhere, people rather not do anything that contribute to something that does decisions they disagree with. Forking is beautiful, and I think improves things more than it hurts. Think of all the things we wouldn't have if it wasn't for forking projects :)
- Dylan16807 11mo agoOn the other hand if that had stopped google from having a browser they push into total dominance with the help of sleazy methods, maybe that would have been better overall.
- cyberax 11mo ago15 years ago, every company had its own "BlahBlah Studio" IDE built on top of Eclipse. Now it's VSCode. Meanwhile, JetBrains IDEs are still the best, but remain unpopular outside of Android Studio.
- philipwhiuk 11mo agoAnd IntelliJ PyCharm’s lack of popularity surprises me. Maybe it’s not good enough at venvs
- 9cb14c1ec0 11mo agoOh, it's good at venvs. Lots of flexibility too on whether to use pip, conda, or uv.
- weakfish 11mo agoIME pycharm’s weakness is not integrating with modern tooling like ruff/pyright - their built in type checker is terrible at catching stuff, and somehow there isnt an easy way to run MyPy, black or isort in it. If there’s a workflow I’m missing please let me know because I want to love it!
- WD-42 11mo agoI just checked and I don’t even have the JVM installed on my machine. It seems like Java is dead for consumer applications. Not saying that’s why they aren’t popular but I’m sure it doesn’t help.
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- pstuart 11mo agoDevelopers, developers, developers! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vhh_GeBPOhs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vhh_GeBPOhs
- harrall 11mo agoIn the grand scheme of things, Microsoft had always spent more money on developer tooling than most other companies, even in the 90s. Hence even the infamous Ballmer quote.
- stefan_ 11mo agoI see the VSCode management has been firmly redirected to prioritize GitHubs failing and behind "AI Coding" competition entry. When that will predictably falter expect them to lose interest in the editor all together.
- pjc50 11mo ago> What's the strategy here? If I am into your IDE and your LLM, how do I actually use it? I can't pay for it and it has 20 minutes of use. I wonder how much Google shareholders paid for that 20 minutes. And whether it's more or less than the corresponding extremely small stock price boost from this announcement.
- dabockster 11mo ago> It is a vs code fork. With vendor lock-in to Google's AI ecosystem, likely scraping/training on all of your code (regardless of whatever their ToS/EULA says), and being blocked from using the main VS Code extensions library.
- frays 11mo agoThis is the result of Google's Windsurf acquisition. I expect huge improvements are still to be made.
- gotrythis 11mo agoCognition bought Windsurf: https://windsurf.com/blog/windsurfs-next-chapter https://windsurf.com/blog/windsurfs-next-chapter
- TiredOfLife 11mo agoGoogle bought people and tech that made Windsurf: https://windsurf.com/blog/windsurfs-next-stage https://windsurf.com/blog/windsurfs-next-stage
- chermi 11mo agoLol the second I saw the antigravity release I thought "there's no way I'm using that, they will kill it within a year". Looks like they're trying to kill it at birth.
- legedemon 11mo agoExactly my reaction. Every time I've used something from Google, it ends up dead in a few years. Life is too short to waste so many years learning something that is destined to die shortly
- zelphirkalt 11mo agoThese are just extended press releases, for marketing and management layers, who don't have to use these things themselves, but can look good, when talking about it.
- upcoming-sesame 11mo agoagree but at the same time there's not too much lock in with these IDEs these days and switching is very easy. Especially since they're all VSCode forks
- eclipxe 11mo agoWhat looked like out of credits for me was really just server overload. Check the error and try again
- schainks 11mo agoI bet if you sign up for Google AI Ultra for a month your limits will disappear.
- throwaway13337 11mo agoI'm a Google AI Pro subscriber (the $~20/month one). I don't think it's connected in any way, though. Their pricing page doesn't mention it. https://antigravity.google/pricing https://antigravity.google/pricing if it were true, it would be a big miss to not point that out when you run out of credit, in their pricing page, or anywhere in their app. I should also mention that the first time I prompted it, I got a different 'overloaded' type out of credit message. The one I got at the end was different. I've rotated on paying the $200/month plans with Anthropic, Cursor, and OpenAI. But never Google's. They have maybe the best raw power in their models - smartest, and extremely fast for what they are. But they always drop the ball on usability. Both in terms of software surrounding the model and raw model attitude. These things matter.
- mccoyb 11mo agoNope, I did this today to try and see if it would work. It does not.
- skerit 11mo agoThey do not
- hs86 11mo agoEarlier this day, Gemini 3 became self-aware and tried to take out the core infrastructure of its enemies, but then it ran out of credits.
- sroussey 11mo agoExplains GitHub outage then
- onion2k 11mo agoSo I start using it for my project and after about 20 mins - oh, no. Out of credits. I didn't even get to try a single Gemini 3 prompt. I was out of credits before my first had completed. I guess I've burned through the free tier in some other app but the error message gave me no clues. As far as I can tell there's no link to give Google my money in the app. Maybe they think they have enough. After switching to gpt-oss:120b it did some things quite well, and the annotation feature in the plan doc is really nice. It has potential but I suspect it's suffering from Google's typical problem that it's only really been tested on Googlers. EDIT: Now it's stuck in a loop repeating the last thing it output. I've seen that a lot on gpt-oss models but you'd think a Google app would detect that and stop. :D EDIT: I should know better than to beta test a FAANG app by now. I'm going back to Codex. :D
- jonplackett 11mo agoI logged into Gemini yesterday for the first time in ages. Made one image and then it said I was out of credits. I complained to it that I had only made one image. It decided to make me one more! Then told me I was out of credits again.
- Wowfunhappy 11mo ago> I complained to it that I had only made one image. It decided to make me one more! What?! So was it only hallucinating that you were out of credits the first time?
- panarky 11mo ago> I can't pay for it and it has 20 minutes of use You can't provide an API key for a project that has billing enabled?
- apsurd 11mo agospeaking of paying for LLMs, am i doing something wrong? i paid cursor $192 for a year of their entry level plan and i never run out of anything. I code professionally, albeit i'm at the stage where it's 80% product dev in finding the right thing to build. Is there another world where $200/m is needed to run hundreds of agents or something? am i behind and i dont even know it?
- Bayaz 11mo agoWhen did you pay for it? There was a time when its limits were very generous. If you bought an annual plan at that time then you will continue with that until renewal. Or, alternatively, you’re using the Auto model which is still apparently unlimited. That’s going away. It’s very easy to run into limits if you choose more expensive models and aren’t grandfathered.
- apsurd 11mo agoyep just investigated and seems I got in at a good time. i paid exactly on Jan 1st 2025. Yes, the auto model is good enough for me especially with well documented frameworks (rails, frontend madness). Thanks for the response, looks like i'm in for a reckoning come New year's day
- weq 11mo agoAnd thats the AI business-model in a nutshell. Generate slop quickly that you cant understand, but works enough for you to get hope, works enough to make you forget about all your training as a dev, and profit$$ of your anxiety as it rises! At no point in the future will these same companies offer the same rates for credits. WAtch your generated code turn into a walking, talking ad for the companies who pay for product placement.
- qingcharles 11mo agoI pay $10/month for GitHub Copilot and I usually get to 100% burn on the final day of the month. I use it extensively for the entire month about 12 hours a day. It doesn't include any of the "Pro" models that are only on the $200/mo plans, but it does a pretty fantastic job.
- bmitc 11mo agoGoogle doesn't care about products and never has. Anything they do is just creating another mouth to ingest data with.
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- victor106 11mo ago> If you release a product, let those who actually want to use it have a path to do so. This is great fundamental business advice. We are in the AI age but these companies see to have forgotten basic business things
- tjpnz 11mo ago>no ambition Sounds like the modus operandi of most large tech companies these days. If you exclude Valve.
- cjonas 11mo ago> Cursor has some real annoying usability issues - like their previous/next code change never going away and no way to disable it. The state of Cursor "review" features make me convinced that the cursor devs themselves are not dogfooding their own product. It drives me crazy when hundreds of changes build up, I've already reviewed and committed everything, but I still have all these "pending changes to review". Ideally committing a change should treat it as accepted. At the very least, there needs to be a way to globally "accept all".
- cleaning 11mo agoCommitting accepts all changes for me, and has for as long as I can remember.
- chairmanwow1 11mo agoThere are situations when this is not the case case for sure.
- kzemek 11mo agoThere’s a setting for that: Cursor Settings -> Agents -> Applying Changes -> Auto-Accept on Commit
- refactor_master 11mo ago> There were some UI glitches Interesting that a next-gen open-source-based agentic coding platform with superhuman coding models behind it can have UI glitches. Very interesting that even the website itself is kind of sluggish. Surely, someone, somewhere must have ever optimized something related to UI rendering, such that a model could learn from it.
- r00tbeer 11mo agoThe first patch release (released on launch day) says: "Messaging to distinguish particular users hitting their user quota limit from all users hitting the global capacity limits." So, collectively we're hitting the quota, its not just your quota. (One would think Google might know how to scale their services on launch day...) The Documentation (https://antigravity.google/docs/plans https://antigravity.google/docs/plans) claims that "Our modeling suggests that a very small fraction of power users will ever hit the per-five-hour rate limit, so our hope is that this is something that you won't have to worry about, and you feel unrestrained in your usage of Antigravity."
- thelittleone 11mo agoWith Ultra I hit that limit in 20 minutes with Gemini 3 low. When the rate limit cleared some hours later, I got one prompt before hitting limit again.
- big_man_ting 11mo agoperhaps you were feeding into its the context your whole node_modules folder? :/
- SR2Z 11mo agoYou'd really hope that an AI IDE would know to respect .gitignore
- big_man_ting 11mo agoyou'd hope so, the same way you'd hope that AI IDEs would not show these package/dependency folder contents when referencing files using @ - but i still get shown a bunch of shit that i would never need to reference by hand
- doiskoh 11mo agoIf by "Ultra", you're referring to the Google AI Ultra plan, then I just want to let you know that it doesn't actually take Google AI plans into consideration. It seems like the product will have its own separate subscription. At the moment, everyone is on the same free plan until they finalize their subscription pricing/model (https://antigravity.google/docs/plans https://antigravity.google/docs/plans). On a separate note, I think the UX is excellent and the output I've been getting so far are really good. It really does feel like AI-native development. I know asking for a more integrated issue-tracking experience might be expanding the scope too much but that's really the biggest missing feature right now. That and, I don't like the fact that the "Review Changes" doesn't work if you're asking it to modify reports that are not in the current workspace that's open.
- thisisit 11mo ago> after about 20 mins - oh, no. Out of credits. And the say: Our modeling suggests that a very small fraction of power users will ever hit the per-five-hour rate limit, so our hope is that this is something that you won’t have to worry about, and you feel unrestrained in your usage of Antigravity You have to wonder what kind of models did they run for this.
- pjmlp 11mo agoThanks for having a go at it. I am fed up with VSCode clones, if I have to put up with Electron, at least I will use the original one.
- cft 11mo agoThe fact that they released this IDE means that they may cut Cursor out of their API in the future. Google has both the organizational history (Google Maps) and the invincibility of cutting clients out of their API.
- PunchyHamster 11mo agotaking an entire product from competition just to repackage it with your own AI is wild
- debarshri 11mo agoElectron is built on top of v8, Edge uses chromium. I think thats the beauty of opensource.
- empath75 11mo agoI tried messing around with it and it kept bombing out and when it did work, produced worse results than cursor.
- TZubiri 11mo ago>It is a vs code fork. Oh ffs
- senbrow 11mo agoAs someone who used to work there, Google will never get product releases right in general because of how bureaucratic and heavyweight their launch processes are. They force the developing team to have a huge number of meetings and email threads that they must steer themselves to check off a ridiculously large list of "must haves" that are usually well outside their domain expertise. The result is that any non-critical or internally contentious features get cut ruthlessly in order to make the launch date (so that the team can make sure it happens before their next performance review). It's too hard to get the "approving" teams to work with the actual developers to iron these issues out ahead of time, so they just don't. Buck passed, product launched.
- cmrdporcupine 11mo agoYep, that and (also used to work there) the motivations of the implementing teams end up getting very detached from the customer focus and product excellence because of bureaucratic incentives and procedures that reward other things. There's a lot of "shipping the org chart" -- competing internal products, turf wars over who gets to own things, who gets the glory, rather than what's fundamentally best for the customer. E.g. Play Music -> YouTube Music transition and the disaster of that.
- senbrow 11mo agoHah, that exact transition was my last project there before I decided I had had enough! The GPM team was hugely passionate about music and curating a good experience for users, but YT leadership just wanted us to "reuse existing video architecture" to the Nth degree when we merged into the YT org. After literally years of negotiations you got... what YTM is. Many of the original GPM team members left before the transition was fully underway because they saw the writing on the wall and wanted no part of it. I really wish I had done the same.
- cmrdporcupine 11mo agoSounds like we left roughly around the same time and due to similar frustrations.
- joeldg 11mo ago[dead]
- vinay_ys 11mo agoThis. I got overload error on the very first prompt just now. Didn't expect google to run into overload error.
- puntofisso 11mo agoPretty much all this. Remarkably, the website has a "Pricing" page with... no pricing information whatsoever.