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Louisiana Took Months to Sound Alarm Amid Whooping Cough Outbreak
- EasyMark 11mo agoThis is what happens when you ignore basic science and say vaccines that have worked for decades don't work, and then convince 25% of the USA into believing that it's the politically correct stance to take on the topic.
- vacct 11mo ago[flagged]
- add-sub-mul-div 11mo agoJust because you hadn't heard of it before 2020 doesn't mean it was brand new. I'll never understand how the party that's famously against government red tape got away with manipulating its base to be against a reasonable streamlining of said red tape, once it was appropriate to do so.
- vacct 11mo ago[flagged]
- lawlessone 11mo agoThe covid one. Why cant you use your real account, not one you made half an hour ago, to ask these things?
- jojobas 11mo agoWell it's the point isn't it? It wasn't new, but unlike classic vaccines there wasn't a decades safety data. Manufacturers knew it and demanded to be exempt from normal vaccine injury schemes, governments agreed and introduced mandates. My wife and I got the shots as soon as we could, she got a kidney complication, like quite a few people. Too bad, says govt. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0002962925000011 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S000296292...
- estearum 11mo agoThere were decades of safety data when previous vaccines came out? Anyway: 1. All vaccines have liability protection. 2. You could know of literally 10 people who had significant adverse effects (which you don't) and, given the scale of vaccine rollout, it would still be mathematically safer than pretty much every drug on the market. Sorry, but you've been successfully lied to on this topic.
- jojobas 11mo agoThe protection terms were more comprehensive for Covid vaccines, with shorter compensation claim terms. The vendors themselves didn't trust the new vaccines the same as old one, why should anyone else. With previous vaccines, while they were new, there were no mandates. "Pretty much any drug of the market" is a big stretch, and there is no mandate attached to those drugs.
- estearum 11mo agoNot sure where you're commenting from, but there were no mandates in the US. > The vendors themselves didn't trust the new vaccines the same as old one, why should anyone else. Not sure what "didn't trust the new vaccines the same as the old one" is supposed to mean. It's a totally different drug with a totally different body of evidence. The pharma companies trusted them in that their high-quality, gigantic clinical trials came back with some of the best safety and efficacy data we've ever seen in any drug trial ever. > "Pretty much any drug of the market" is a big stretch No, it's actually not. Even the most "common" serious adverse effects are so rare that the clinical trials would've needed to be orders of magnitude larger than the largest clinical trials ever conducted in order to detect them. This has held true even scaled to billions of doses.
- Izkata 11mo ago> Not sure where you're commenting from, but there were no mandates in the US. Oh yeah there were: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_vaccination_mandates_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_vaccination_mandates_... In particular: > In September 2021, the employees of all federally-funded Medicaid and Medicare-certified health care facilities, and Head Start program facilities, were required to be vaccinated, as ordered through the United States Department of Health and Human Services (HHS).[33][34][31] Companies with more than 100 employees could either require vaccination for all (and give their workers four hours' paid time off for their vaccination appointments); or require any unvaccinated employees to wear masks and be tested weekly for COVID-19, according to an Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) Emergency Temporary Standard.[35][36] These two policies together —federally-funded healthcare facilities and large companies— would apply to 100 million workers and were scheduled to take effect on January 4, 2022.[32] The healthcare one happened, while the OSHA one went through multiple appeals before they abandoned it (details on the page). Biden even went on record telling companies to start implementing it in preparation for when they got through the appeal.
- renewiltord 11mo ago[flagged]
- protocolture 11mo ago[flagged]
- kingkawn 11mo agoToo far.
- renewiltord 11mo ago[flagged]
- protocolture 11mo agoThey earnestly want you and your children to die.
- kingkawn 11mo agoThe same logic they’re using to excuse their bloodthirsty dreams. You are exactly like them.
- dboreham 11mo agoRemember: everything you see that seems odd is in service of someone's business model.
- BobaFloutist 11mo agoNah, some people are definitely evil or crazy for the sheer love of the game.
- wakawaka28 11mo agoI don't think the skeptics question whether these particular vaccines prevent disease. The question is whether they have other harmful effects, especially when bundled together in a broad-spectrum product to vaccinate against 30+ diseases (or whatever).
- CGamesPlay 11mo agoHot take: delaying without completely suppressing this alerting is the best way to change people's minds about the benefits of preventive measures like vaccination without massive loss of life.
- Esophagus4 11mo agoMeaning, let the outbreak get bad enough to remind people that vaccines are helpful?
- jojobas 11mo agoIt could be that the only way to remind people is to get them to see some deaths or near-deaths first-hand.
- Esophagus4 11mo agoAh, I was thinking that’s what the argument was. To which I’d say… maybe? I was able to dig up this paper that showed 66% of the COVID unvaccinated regretted their decision after hospitalization. The rest were undeterred, even after hospitalization, mostly due to ideology and conspiracies. But the problem is that I wouldn’t be comfortable risking public health to prove 2/3 of a point to vaccine skeptics who should’ve known better anyway. The Hippocratic oath is to do no harm, and I wouldn’t want a loved one with a suppressed immune system or lung problems to get seriously sick because we let the disease spread by choice. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8950102/ https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8950102/
- TheOtherHobbes 11mo agoThe real vectors of disinformation are social media, and antivax deaths are downstream of that. But we don't have any kind of cultural immunity to the kind of propagandised and designed messaging that drives these campaigns. In the absence of that, learning through consequences - and coming in with the messaging after they happen - is the only thing that can make a difference.
- orwin 11mo agoAlready told this story, but basically my mother overreacted to a vaccine in the 80s, became an early antivax, had me, only did the bare minimum, I got pertussis at 4-5yo (lucky it wasn't earlier), and since no doctor in the area ever saw pertussis (everyone being vaccinated at the time, and everybody thought I was too, through my mother antibodies), I spent 4 month coughing (I was told), until a retired doctor diagnosed me, and then a few months again, but it was manageable. I have three memories of that time, the first three memories of my life: once coughing so hard I cried on the playground, one lying on my grandmother couch, coughing while she helps me drink, and one after getting treatment (probably for the first time?). My siblings all got vaccinated after that, and my mother stopped being antivax (still taking 'alternative' medecine, but also still taking conventional one). I guess seeing your child in so much pain and develop arythmia because of your 'beliefs' can make you change. Hopefully things like this will be less and less common.
- ambicapter 11mo ago> I guess seeing your child in so much pain and develop arythmia because of your 'beliefs' can make you change. keyword being "can" there.
- intermerda 11mo agoExample: > Parents of Texas child who died of measles remain opposed to vaccine https://www.wfaa.com/article/news/health/parents-of-texas-child-who-died-of-measles-remain-opposed-to-vaccine/287-8230c16e-764f-4edd-9bf9-8e2e3ed37de5 https://www.wfaa.com/article/news/health/parents-of-texas-ch...
- crossroadsguy 11mo agoAfter reading your comment, I am a bit concerned. I get allergies really quickly, and it is difficult to gauge, at least for 2-3 days, which one it is— the allergy or a full-blown cold/infection— and sometimes it results in proper coughing, et cetera. I think I will talk to my doctor and ask whether there are any boosters needed for me in my late 30s, for which I might have been vaccinated as a child.
- zzixp 11mo agoI played sports & had whooping cough in high school and it rendered me useless for like 4 months. Not fun.