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Why would ANY global business still rely on U.S. Tech? The U.S. government, through their executive orders and dissolving of the separations of powers, has demo

Why would ANY global business still rely on U.S. Tech? The U.S. government, through their executive orders and dissolving of the separations of powers, has demonstrated its ability to unilaterally disrupt or shut down private technology services at will. How can any business justify depending on U.S.-based tech infrastructure when its access could vanish overnight on a political whim by an unstable president? If there is no rule of law, capital, talent and trust are flowing out of that country - for good reason.

danaris 1y ago
> Why would ANY global business still rely on U.S. Tech? First and foremost, because it takes time to switch. Secondly, because there are a lot of things that just don't have realistic alternatives. For a large agency, especially one that has statutory or regulatory requirements on how they decide on and deploy hardware and software, even if they can legally choose to switch to open-source options, if they made that decision the day after the election last year, it might have been too late to get major proposals in for the 2025 fiscal year, so they'd have to wait until 2026 to do more than start planning. (This is, fairly obviously, a near-worst-case scenario; other agencies will have much more freedom to change as they please.) Even if they're less encumbered, the more users you have within an organization, the longer it takes to execute a migration like this, and it can be really really hard to operate for any length of time with a partial migration completed, especially for the support team. I could easily believe that some such migrations are already in the planning stage, but will take months to actually happen. And finally, because This Is How We've Always Done It is a very, very powerful force. For some organizations, unfortunately, it will take some kind of catastrophic event to realize that they really shouldn't be relying on a foreign and possibly hostile power for all their major enterprise IT vendors.
- graemep 1y ago
  I have also met the attitude that using hyperscalers is the right way to do it, and running anything of your own that you could outsource to them is weird and unprofessional.
- mentalgear 1y ago
  Time well invested. If you are a publicly-traded company, the executive level is financially irresponsible to the stakeholders if they leave the company's data at perpetual risk of just vanishing.
graemep 1y ago
They do though, and they are happy to. A very small number of government agencies in a few countries have moved away from reliance on the US, but very few businesses have. We still have governments and businesses encouraging the use of US tech by, for example, encouraging use of mobile apps. AWS, Azure and Google dominate cloud services in most of the world. Microsoft dominates the desktop. Businesses and individuals are increasingly reliant on cloud apps that are mostly American. Here in the UK my daughter's school (a large sixth for college) relies in MS cloud versions of Office and on Teams, you need (at least in my area) to use an mobile app, or a web app hosted on AWS to make an appointment with a GP (and if you are prescribed medication the pharmacy are informed via an API running in AWS). Most SMEs that do run anything of their own use AWS. One of the biggest banks (Lloyds) had issues during the recent AWS outage, and I know they are not the only one to use AWS. A lot of European governments are pushing ID and age verification mobile apps. In general a lot of governments are regulating in ways that favour the incumbents.
- lazide 1y ago
  Not to mention 95% of all mobile app installs are through App stores controlled by 2 US companies.
  - AlecSchueler 1y ago
    But to change these things within the past 7 or 8 months would have been impossible. I get what you guys are saying but there's so much of this stuff that is very entrenched and there's decades of inertia to push against, it can't just happen overnight. The story isn't that no one uses American services anymore, it's that fewer and fewer of us feel comfortable doing so and are open to or actively seeking alternatives in a way we never expected to be.
    - lazide 1y ago
      Okay? How does that change anything?
      - 1y ago
drstewart 1y ago
EU is the entity with fascist Hungary and Slovakia having veto powers, isn't it? The one where "free" countries like Denmark push for encryption backdoors? I think I'll avoid them - for good reason
- mentalgear 1y ago
  While there are fascist leaders in those countries (especially Trump modelled is remodelling of the country after Orban's autocratic and corrupt Hungary), those are just 2 of 27 - so far far from the majority. And many decisions in the EU do not allow for their veto votes anyhow - Orban's Hungary has been withhold now for years Billions of EU investments because of how the countries institutions were hollowed out by him.
  - drstewart 1y ago
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    - cassepipe 1y ago
      I call it a table of 27 with two Nazis How do you call a Parliament with two communist representatives, a communist regime ?
    - darccio 1y ago
      That's an unfair characterisation of EU. Hungary and Slovakia didn't join under their current fascist governments. They weren't fascist when they joined in 2004. Kicking them out isn't easy unless there is unanimity. Unfortunately EU requires this kind of quorum for the big decisions, which is kind of a safeguard to precisely avoid going full fascist for the whole EU due to a minority of countries.
      - lm28469 1y ago
        > They weren't fascist when they joined in 2004. And they still aren't by any definition of the word fascism It's 2025 we should invent new terms for new things, not everything bad is "nazi" or "fascist"
baxtr 1y ago
Believe it or not, it’s partly because of regulation. If you’re on Azure for example as a bank you know that most of the (eg DORA) requirements are met, because regulators have directly talked to Microsoft. There are high compliance and migration cost for switching with no immediate gain for the business.
- DaSHacka 1y ago
  > There are high compliance and migration cost for switching with no immediate gain for the business. But america bad! Surely that's reason enough to skirt all logistic business requirements and drop U.S. companies? Like, Trump! And... Republicans! Clearly, their private sector doesn't exist anymore, because a guy we don't like is in charge of the public sector. Frankly, we need to reduce our reliance on U.S. tech because of how undemocratic they have become. I, for one, think China looks like a great potential ally.
anon291 1y ago
Literally no other country or market with the perhaps exception of China has anything close to its own tech stack. Europe literally had Linus Torvalds and couldn't keep him. He now lives in Portland, 3 hours from where windows is made and 10 hours away from OS X. Literally the entire tech industry is the west coast of the United States. The disparity in capability is orders of magnitude. Europe is basically hopeless at this point
- exasperaited 1y ago
  > The disparity in capability is orders of magnitude. But then again it's increasingly being made by Indian migrants, right? How far away the critical state is, who knows. Could it be in this presidential term? Would it happen within ten years of the coming imperial takeover of the presidency? Perhaps. But when the valley loses its dominance it will likely happen pretty quickly: huge numbers of the people who make it happen will go home, go back to their home states, or just go to live somewhere cheaper. The US is not educating people fast enough or deeply enough to replace them, and there's no sign that AI really can replace the ones that matter. Just because nobody can see exactly when this will happen doesn't mean you don't start planning for it to happen. Because it will happen, and when it happens it will happen fast. The US tech industry is still built on the idea that the USA is a comfortable, friendly, open liberal democracy. And that is over. I mean, on a basic level any individual H1B placement in the future exists at the whim of the executive. Who do you have to donate to, to keep it? And any skilled migrant who might come over, work the hell out of a job that is beneath their level of education in the quick-e-mart and then start something of their own is not going to come. Europe has its own problems with pasty-faced, bad-haired weaselly proto-fascists, but it's still fighting.
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  - anon291 1y ago
    There is no jurisdiction on the planet with as diverse and open an environment as America which is why many Indians come here to become citizens and contribute to the country, including my own parents. Now, India actually does have a lot of potential, and could actually do something similar. Unfortunately it is currently undergoing fairly intense and violent nativist hindu extremist fascism. Honestly, the Hindu rashtra nonsense would be fine on its own but given how undeveloped India is, it really has better things to focus on. I mean, but yeah if India ever manages to develop and revert back to a more pluralistic society then yes it would be a potential alternative market. Unlike Europe and China, India has a long history of accepting foreign peoples and incorporating them into its society, similar to America. Unlike Europe, India pays for its own defences and is thus a real country. Europe is a vassal of the United States. But like realistically, I see no possible path for India to overcome its issues at this point. There are few rational voices in its politics. The Indian left wing is honestly insane. And the right wing is equally unhinged. Speaking for myself as the child of Indian christians, I know a lot of Christians secretly vote for the BJP because the alternative is honestly insanity. There is no technocratic, pluralistic, and not self hating party that is actually in it for the country's success. Thus I don't see any path forward for it. I'm not saying this out of any sense of superiority. I think it would be awesome for India to be a liveable nation. It would be nice to be able to live there frankly. However, it's just not a realistic prospect in this century India will be a perpetual off shoring center for the US. Ambitious Indians will leave to become Americans. Those who are unable to due to American policy will flounder in India and not achieve their potential. You can frame this as America's fault. But it is actually India's. To conclude, there is no place as diverse and welcoming as America or any place that even seems on that path. The other possible place (south America) is in many ways even more backwards than India. China will always be a Han ethnostate. Europe is also an ethnostate and has no history of assimilating anyone (see Jews and gypsies) > any individual H1B placement in the future exists at the whim of the executive America attracted migrants before h1b and was basically closed off to much of the world before 1965 and is still the preferred destination of pretty much anyone.
Permit 1y ago
> capital, talent and trust are flowing out of that country Is there non-anecdotal evidence of this that you can share with us? My understanding is that people make this claim but I haven't seen evidence of it beyond one-off articles about individual professors leaving the country.
- szundi 1y ago
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- lispisok 1y ago
  There is none. Despite the less stable environment if you are Talent by far the best place to be is the US. If you are an ambitious entrepreneur by far the best place to be is the US.
  - withinboredom 1y ago
    After I moved out of the US, I got emails all the time about moving to the EU; until I deleted my blog post about it. The expat facebook groups have exploded if you’re looking for 'evidence'.
    - DaSHacka 1y ago
      you mean, from 100's of users to 1000's?
      - withinboredom 1y ago
        You have to consider it a sample and while not fully representative, you can come to some conclusions. There are some 9 million US citizens living outside the US. Further, you can look at past migration patterns due to political changes. Like when the Taliban took over Afghanistan, the people with the means and the smarts leave first, then the rich — unless they have a path to power in the new regime. Eventually you are left with a poor country. https://www.ftadviser.com/international-advice/2025/8/1/number-of-us-expats-set-to-hit-5000-per-year/ https://www.ftadviser.com/international-advice/2025/8/1/numb...
jimbob45 1y ago
It’s Europe. They couldn’t even drop Russian oil imports despite them being an existential threat. They’re doing this because anti-US moves are trendy right now and that’s it.
- cassepipe 1y ago
  Some of us in Europe are ready to drop Russian oil imports whatever the cost. It's just russian backed populists are ready to rile the crowds for any price increase whatsoever and governments have to tread lightly all the time in order not to let power go to all those far right parties who would just buy the cheapest oil coming from anywhere as long as it allows them to remain in power.
  - jack_tripper 1y ago
    >Some of us in Europe are ready to drop Russian oil imports whatever the cost. Translation: "Some of us in Europe are ready to drop drop bread in favor of eating cake, whatever the cost." Easy for you to write cheques that others have to cash. Be careful with such suicidal empathy, as that has second order effects that back-fire in spectacular fashion. That's why you're supposed to put your own oxygen mask on before helping others. >It's just russian backed populists are ready to rile the crowds for any price increase whatsoever.. TIL that if you aren't gonna sacrifice yourself for Ukraine and prioritize your family's survival, wanting to have a job, a roof over your head and food on the table, somehow makes you a "Russian populist" now. Interesting logic. You'd think much differently if you or your family would face unemployment, homelessness or malnourishment due to the economic damages caused by a surge in energy costs across the board. Half my immediate friend circle have lost their jobs in the last ~2 years due to the economic situation, my grandma can't afford her bills from her pension without financial support from us, while access public services like healthcare and childcare has only gotten worse, despite us paying more for everything. Not exactly the environment people feel like gutting themselves even further for a foreign country, whichever that may be.
    - rwyinuse 1y ago
      Building an energy system dependent on Russian gas is, and always was an idiotic thing to do. I live in Finland, and our energy costs are pretty back to more or less what they used ot be, even though we live next to Russia. I don't know where you're from, but at least Germany's problems run way deeper than their idiotic energy policies. Lack of investment in infrastructure, lack of innovation and all that. Even with cheap energy there's no way German car makers would compete, when Chinese make better EV's for less money. Laziness and lack of innovation is the problem, just like in European IT sector, which just buys everything from America. Also, let's not forget the huge impact Covid spending had on inflation, and in turn interest rates & people's purchasing power. Ukraine war and sanctions against Russia are completely insignificant compared to that blunder. We're living the recession that was supposed to happen in 2020.
mrtksn 1y ago
> Why would ANY global business still rely on U.S. Tech? Because it's pretty refined since it was funded with resources so great that it was intended to serve global level audience? I don't believe that EU will have comparable quality "tech" without restricting US market access in EU. Unfortunately, refined high quality software requires considerable resources and no one will invest those considerable resources when the US companies can just offer better software at lower price thanks to their lead and deep pockets until the EU companies go out of business. Sure, EU doesn't need to discover everything again but they will need to pay top talent world class money for years until their products become refined.
- jfengel 1y ago
  Governments can nudge. If they swear off American tech, they will be using something else, and have influence on how that goes. They can put money into getting what they want, and open sourcing it. The more they invest, the more corporations will be able to switch.
- kosinus 1y ago
  What is cutting off the ICC if not restricting. I think that was a pretty blatant move, and is a large part of the chain reaction we're seeing now.
- kakacik 1y ago
  Who cares about fine details of quality if you are at permanent risk of on/off, and a very real one. Not every company needs, wants or has room to become google scale. Stability long term is something we hold dearly in Europe, not everybody runs in 10 seconds attention span.
  - mrtksn 1y ago
    > Who cares about fine details of quality People who actually work with that to achieve things that may be just as important care a lot.
    - kakacik 1y ago
poisonborz 1y ago
I wish, but for a corporation morale grounds are not enough, and the facts speak for the contrary. Even with all the insanity, the US would not touch something as insanely profitable as this, and the government is very protective of the top tech firms. Also on the technical level, EU companies are simply not in the same ballpark.
stackedinserter 1y ago
For the same reason why you choose "Made in China" over something that's made in your country. Often times it's the best (or even the only) tech for the best price.

danaris 1y ago

> Why would ANY global business still rely on U.S. Tech? First and foremost, because it takes time to switch. Secondly, because there are a lot of things that just don't have realistic alternatives. For a large agency, especially one that has statutory or regulatory requirements on how they decide on and deploy hardware and software, even if they can legally choose to switch to open-source options, if they made that decision the day after the election last year, it might have been too late to get major proposals in for the 2025 fiscal year, so they'd have to wait until 2026 to do more than start planning. (This is, fairly obviously, a near-worst-case scenario; other agencies will have much more freedom to change as they please.) Even if they're less encumbered, the more users you have within an organization, the longer it takes to execute a migration like this, and it can be really really hard to operate for any length of time with a partial migration completed, especially for the support team. I could easily believe that some such migrations are already in the planning stage, but will take months to actually happen. And finally, because This Is How We've Always Done It is a very, very powerful force. For some organizations, unfortunately, it will take some kind of catastrophic event to realize that they really shouldn't be relying on a foreign and possibly hostile power for all their major enterprise IT vendors.

graemep 1y ago
I have also met the attitude that using hyperscalers is the right way to do it, and running anything of your own that you could outsource to them is weird and unprofessional.
mentalgear 1y ago
Time well invested. If you are a publicly-traded company, the executive level is financially irresponsible to the stakeholders if they leave the company's data at perpetual risk of just vanishing.

graemep 1y ago

They do though, and they are happy to. A very small number of government agencies in a few countries have moved away from reliance on the US, but very few businesses have. We still have governments and businesses encouraging the use of US tech by, for example, encouraging use of mobile apps. AWS, Azure and Google dominate cloud services in most of the world. Microsoft dominates the desktop. Businesses and individuals are increasingly reliant on cloud apps that are mostly American. Here in the UK my daughter's school (a large sixth for college) relies in MS cloud versions of Office and on Teams, you need (at least in my area) to use an mobile app, or a web app hosted on AWS to make an appointment with a GP (and if you are prescribed medication the pharmacy are informed via an API running in AWS). Most SMEs that do run anything of their own use AWS. One of the biggest banks (Lloyds) had issues during the recent AWS outage, and I know they are not the only one to use AWS. A lot of European governments are pushing ID and age verification mobile apps. In general a lot of governments are regulating in ways that favour the incumbents.

lazide 1y ago
Not to mention 95% of all mobile app installs are through App stores controlled by 2 US companies.
- AlecSchueler 1y ago
  But to change these things within the past 7 or 8 months would have been impossible. I get what you guys are saying but there's so much of this stuff that is very entrenched and there's decades of inertia to push against, it can't just happen overnight. The story isn't that no one uses American services anymore, it's that fewer and fewer of us feel comfortable doing so and are open to or actively seeking alternatives in a way we never expected to be.
  - lazide 1y ago
    Okay? How does that change anything?
    - 1y ago

drstewart 1y ago

EU is the entity with fascist Hungary and Slovakia having veto powers, isn't it? The one where "free" countries like Denmark push for encryption backdoors? I think I'll avoid them - for good reason

mentalgear 1y ago
While there are fascist leaders in those countries (especially Trump modelled is remodelling of the country after Orban's autocratic and corrupt Hungary), those are just 2 of 27 - so far far from the majority. And many decisions in the EU do not allow for their veto votes anyhow - Orban's Hungary has been withhold now for years Billions of EU investments because of how the countries institutions were hollowed out by him.
- drstewart 1y ago
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  - cassepipe 1y ago
    I call it a table of 27 with two Nazis How do you call a Parliament with two communist representatives, a communist regime ?
  - darccio 1y ago
    That's an unfair characterisation of EU. Hungary and Slovakia didn't join under their current fascist governments. They weren't fascist when they joined in 2004. Kicking them out isn't easy unless there is unanimity. Unfortunately EU requires this kind of quorum for the big decisions, which is kind of a safeguard to precisely avoid going full fascist for the whole EU due to a minority of countries.
    - lm28469 1y ago
      > They weren't fascist when they joined in 2004. And they still aren't by any definition of the word fascism It's 2025 we should invent new terms for new things, not everything bad is "nazi" or "fascist"

baxtr 1y ago

Believe it or not, it’s partly because of regulation. If you’re on Azure for example as a bank you know that most of the (eg DORA) requirements are met, because regulators have directly talked to Microsoft. There are high compliance and migration cost for switching with no immediate gain for the business.

DaSHacka 1y ago
> There are high compliance and migration cost for switching with no immediate gain for the business. But america bad! Surely that's reason enough to skirt all logistic business requirements and drop U.S. companies? Like, Trump! And... Republicans! Clearly, their private sector doesn't exist anymore, because a guy we don't like is in charge of the public sector. Frankly, we need to reduce our reliance on U.S. tech because of how undemocratic they have become. I, for one, think China looks like a great potential ally.

anon291 1y ago

Literally no other country or market with the perhaps exception of China has anything close to its own tech stack. Europe literally had Linus Torvalds and couldn't keep him. He now lives in Portland, 3 hours from where windows is made and 10 hours away from OS X. Literally the entire tech industry is the west coast of the United States. The disparity in capability is orders of magnitude. Europe is basically hopeless at this point

exasperaited 1y ago
> The disparity in capability is orders of magnitude. But then again it's increasingly being made by Indian migrants, right? How far away the critical state is, who knows. Could it be in this presidential term? Would it happen within ten years of the coming imperial takeover of the presidency? Perhaps. But when the valley loses its dominance it will likely happen pretty quickly: huge numbers of the people who make it happen will go home, go back to their home states, or just go to live somewhere cheaper. The US is not educating people fast enough or deeply enough to replace them, and there's no sign that AI really can replace the ones that matter. Just because nobody can see exactly when this will happen doesn't mean you don't start planning for it to happen. Because it will happen, and when it happens it will happen fast. The US tech industry is still built on the idea that the USA is a comfortable, friendly, open liberal democracy. And that is over. I mean, on a basic level any individual H1B placement in the future exists at the whim of the executive. Who do you have to donate to, to keep it? And any skilled migrant who might come over, work the hell out of a job that is beneath their level of education in the quick-e-mart and then start something of their own is not going to come. Europe has its own problems with pasty-faced, bad-haired weaselly proto-fascists, but it's still fighting.
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- anon291 1y ago
  There is no jurisdiction on the planet with as diverse and open an environment as America which is why many Indians come here to become citizens and contribute to the country, including my own parents. Now, India actually does have a lot of potential, and could actually do something similar. Unfortunately it is currently undergoing fairly intense and violent nativist hindu extremist fascism. Honestly, the Hindu rashtra nonsense would be fine on its own but given how undeveloped India is, it really has better things to focus on. I mean, but yeah if India ever manages to develop and revert back to a more pluralistic society then yes it would be a potential alternative market. Unlike Europe and China, India has a long history of accepting foreign peoples and incorporating them into its society, similar to America. Unlike Europe, India pays for its own defences and is thus a real country. Europe is a vassal of the United States. But like realistically, I see no possible path for India to overcome its issues at this point. There are few rational voices in its politics. The Indian left wing is honestly insane. And the right wing is equally unhinged. Speaking for myself as the child of Indian christians, I know a lot of Christians secretly vote for the BJP because the alternative is honestly insanity. There is no technocratic, pluralistic, and not self hating party that is actually in it for the country's success. Thus I don't see any path forward for it. I'm not saying this out of any sense of superiority. I think it would be awesome for India to be a liveable nation. It would be nice to be able to live there frankly. However, it's just not a realistic prospect in this century India will be a perpetual off shoring center for the US. Ambitious Indians will leave to become Americans. Those who are unable to due to American policy will flounder in India and not achieve their potential. You can frame this as America's fault. But it is actually India's. To conclude, there is no place as diverse and welcoming as America or any place that even seems on that path. The other possible place (south America) is in many ways even more backwards than India. China will always be a Han ethnostate. Europe is also an ethnostate and has no history of assimilating anyone (see Jews and gypsies) > any individual H1B placement in the future exists at the whim of the executive America attracted migrants before h1b and was basically closed off to much of the world before 1965 and is still the preferred destination of pretty much anyone.

Permit 1y ago

> capital, talent and trust are flowing out of that country Is there non-anecdotal evidence of this that you can share with us? My understanding is that people make this claim but I haven't seen evidence of it beyond one-off articles about individual professors leaving the country.

szundi 1y ago
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lispisok 1y ago
There is none. Despite the less stable environment if you are Talent by far the best place to be is the US. If you are an ambitious entrepreneur by far the best place to be is the US.
- withinboredom 1y ago
  After I moved out of the US, I got emails all the time about moving to the EU; until I deleted my blog post about it. The expat facebook groups have exploded if you’re looking for 'evidence'.
  - DaSHacka 1y ago
    you mean, from 100's of users to 1000's?
    - withinboredom 1y ago
      You have to consider it a sample and while not fully representative, you can come to some conclusions. There are some 9 million US citizens living outside the US. Further, you can look at past migration patterns due to political changes. Like when the Taliban took over Afghanistan, the people with the means and the smarts leave first, then the rich — unless they have a path to power in the new regime. Eventually you are left with a poor country. https://www.ftadviser.com/international-advice/2025/8/1/number-of-us-expats-set-to-hit-5000-per-year/ https://www.ftadviser.com/international-advice/2025/8/1/numb...

jimbob45 1y ago

It’s Europe. They couldn’t even drop Russian oil imports despite them being an existential threat. They’re doing this because anti-US moves are trendy right now and that’s it.

cassepipe 1y ago
Some of us in Europe are ready to drop Russian oil imports whatever the cost. It's just russian backed populists are ready to rile the crowds for any price increase whatsoever and governments have to tread lightly all the time in order not to let power go to all those far right parties who would just buy the cheapest oil coming from anywhere as long as it allows them to remain in power.
- jack_tripper 1y ago
  >Some of us in Europe are ready to drop Russian oil imports whatever the cost. Translation: "Some of us in Europe are ready to drop drop bread in favor of eating cake, whatever the cost." Easy for you to write cheques that others have to cash. Be careful with such suicidal empathy, as that has second order effects that back-fire in spectacular fashion. That's why you're supposed to put your own oxygen mask on before helping others. >It's just russian backed populists are ready to rile the crowds for any price increase whatsoever.. TIL that if you aren't gonna sacrifice yourself for Ukraine and prioritize your family's survival, wanting to have a job, a roof over your head and food on the table, somehow makes you a "Russian populist" now. Interesting logic. You'd think much differently if you or your family would face unemployment, homelessness or malnourishment due to the economic damages caused by a surge in energy costs across the board. Half my immediate friend circle have lost their jobs in the last ~2 years due to the economic situation, my grandma can't afford her bills from her pension without financial support from us, while access public services like healthcare and childcare has only gotten worse, despite us paying more for everything. Not exactly the environment people feel like gutting themselves even further for a foreign country, whichever that may be.
  - rwyinuse 1y ago
    Building an energy system dependent on Russian gas is, and always was an idiotic thing to do. I live in Finland, and our energy costs are pretty back to more or less what they used ot be, even though we live next to Russia. I don't know where you're from, but at least Germany's problems run way deeper than their idiotic energy policies. Lack of investment in infrastructure, lack of innovation and all that. Even with cheap energy there's no way German car makers would compete, when Chinese make better EV's for less money. Laziness and lack of innovation is the problem, just like in European IT sector, which just buys everything from America. Also, let's not forget the huge impact Covid spending had on inflation, and in turn interest rates & people's purchasing power. Ukraine war and sanctions against Russia are completely insignificant compared to that blunder. We're living the recession that was supposed to happen in 2020.

mrtksn 1y ago

> Why would ANY global business still rely on U.S. Tech? Because it's pretty refined since it was funded with resources so great that it was intended to serve global level audience? I don't believe that EU will have comparable quality "tech" without restricting US market access in EU. Unfortunately, refined high quality software requires considerable resources and no one will invest those considerable resources when the US companies can just offer better software at lower price thanks to their lead and deep pockets until the EU companies go out of business. Sure, EU doesn't need to discover everything again but they will need to pay top talent world class money for years until their products become refined.

jfengel 1y ago
Governments can nudge. If they swear off American tech, they will be using something else, and have influence on how that goes. They can put money into getting what they want, and open sourcing it. The more they invest, the more corporations will be able to switch.
kosinus 1y ago
What is cutting off the ICC if not restricting. I think that was a pretty blatant move, and is a large part of the chain reaction we're seeing now.
kakacik 1y ago
Who cares about fine details of quality if you are at permanent risk of on/off, and a very real one. Not every company needs, wants or has room to become google scale. Stability long term is something we hold dearly in Europe, not everybody runs in 10 seconds attention span.
- mrtksn 1y ago
  > Who cares about fine details of quality People who actually work with that to achieve things that may be just as important care a lot.
  - kakacik 1y ago

poisonborz 1y ago

I wish, but for a corporation morale grounds are not enough, and the facts speak for the contrary. Even with all the insanity, the US would not touch something as insanely profitable as this, and the government is very protective of the top tech firms. Also on the technical level, EU companies are simply not in the same ballpark.

stackedinserter 1y ago

For the same reason why you choose "Made in China" over something that's made in your country. Often times it's the best (or even the only) tech for the best price.