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ICE and CBP agents are scanning faces on the street to verify citizenship
- oceansky 11mo agoI wonder who is storing this data, I would bet Palantir. Possibly Oracle too.
- dv_dt 11mo agowhat is the database being compared against?
- an0malous 11mo agoa skin tone chart
- pavel_lishin 11mo agoVery likely an array of hackers, soon.
- qingcharles 11mo agoI assume the agents are using their own phones. One of their phones is going to be left in a bar and end up on eBay at some point and then the APK can be extracted at least.
- tracker1 11mo agoIt should be an assigned/signed device with biometric and passcode access configured... At least it was in a couple proposals I helped define for credentialing emergency responders... though the contract definitely went with a different supplier than the one I was working with.
- pavel_lishin 11mo agoIt should not exist at all.
- tracker1 11mo agoYour probably right.
- wildrhythms 11mo agoA pro-surveillance state 'hacker' very cool stuff.
- tracker1 11mo agoI'm mostly speaking to the device security. I'm no hacker and what I was working on was mostly making sure that people operating as emergency responders are who they say they are when you're disconnected from a centralized network.
- ddtaylor 11mo ago[flagged]
- trollbridge 11mo agoWith no consequences whatsoever?
- seg_lol 11mo agoThere as a scathing book! https://ibmandtheholocaust.com/about-ibm-and-holocaust https://ibmandtheholocaust.com/about-ibm-and-holocaust
- neom 11mo agoDid some research, biometrics specifically for facial ID for DHS/CBP seems to be awarded to NEC and Thales. https://www.nec.com/en/global/solutions/biometrics/face/neofacewatch.html https://www.nec.com/en/global/solutions/biometrics/face/neof...
- crypto420 11mo agoNot Palantir. Their CEO has explicitly said that they don't collect data on US citizens. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-IH7EVrBbQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-IH7EVrBbQ
- shostack 11mo agoDo they partner with Clearview or Flock or anyone else? "Collect" seems like a weasel word that still leaves lots of options on the table.
- seg_lol 11mo agoPalantir isn't collecting it, they are storing it and processing it after it has been collected by ICE. Their defacto scan everyone isn't to determine citizenship, it is to collect the data in the first place. They want to get as much data into their system as possible.
- quantumcotton 11mo agoDumb question, but can't they get around that considering they are looking for people whom are not US citizens?
- red-iron-pine 11mo agothat's a boldface fuckin lie
- superkuh 11mo agoI wonder how soon till the automated license plate reader cameras everywhere start doing this.
- SirFatty 11mo agoI'm sure it's already happening!
- pyk 11mo agoThis and ezpass readers are already everywhere in cities (even outside toll points) to track movement.
- 01HNNWZ0MV43FF 11mo agoFor today's ten thousand https://deflock.me https://deflock.me
- supportengineer 11mo ago"You're being pulled over because this licence plate is not registered with a valid REAL ID"
- JohnMakin 11mo agoIf only it was this bad. REAL ID only proves you were at one point allowed to be here. It doesn't prove you're allowed to be here right now (which can change arbitrarily and at any time apparently)
- JuniperMesos 11mo agoThe state should avoid giving a REAL ID to anyine who isn't at least a permanent resident of the US (and the distinction between cirizen and non-citizen IDs should be very obvious). A lot of illegal immigrants are people who legally entered the US on a temporary visa, and overstayed; and it would be good if basically every American bureaucracy was quickly, consistently, and legibly checking for that status. Instead, the situation we have now is that many bureaucracies deliberately avoid making any citizenship or legal residency distinction on official documents because the polticians who determine the rules for those bureaucracies think immigration enforcement is immoral and want to make it easier for illegal immigrants to access American bureaucracies and harder for other bureaucracies controlled by less immigration-friendly polticians to detect illegal immigrants.
- elicash 11mo agoThe irony of doing this while covering their own faces
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- elicash 11mo agoAll of the replies to my comment are focusing on the definition of irony. It's like I'm 12 years old again hearing all my classmates talk about why having spoons when you need a knife isn't "actually" irony.
- walletdrainer 11mo agoI have a cashmere balaclava from Rick Owens if high fashion masking is what you’re after Boris Bidjan Saberi also has hoodies with face coverings
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- ericzawo 11mo ago"Pick up that can."
- linuxlizard 11mo ago"I'm behind on my beatings."
- samfriedman 11mo agohttps://archive.is/UReW9 https://archive.is/UReW9
- visekr 11mo agolol - I made something to do the same to ICE. Stores each ICE agent as a visual embedding and creates a database of all sighted agents. https://www.realtimefascism.com/ice-sight https://www.realtimefascism.com/ice-sight
- yasp 11mo agoWhat's your policy for complying with the patchwork of national biometrics laws?
- toomuchtodo 11mo agoIgnore them? Operate outside of US reach. The tubes are global. EDIT: Legally, you have no right to privacy in public, if your photo is captured in public (US centric), broadly speaking. You have the right to record law enforcement officers exercising their official duties in public. https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2025/02/yes-you-have-right-film-ice https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2025/02/yes-you-have-right-fil... https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2023/08/federal-judge-upholds-arizonans-right-record-police https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2023/08/federal-judge-upholds-... https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2023/02/fourth-circuit-individuals-have-first-amendment-right-livestream-their-own-traffic https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2023/02/fourth-circuit-individ... https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/07/victory-another-court-protects-right-record-police https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/07/victory-another-court-...
- yasp 11mo agoTaking someone's photo is different than storing their biometrics. The latter would violate laws such as https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biometric_Information_Privacy_Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biometric_Information_Privacy_...
- toomuchtodo 11mo agoSo avoid being subject to the US jurisdiction, if applicable. Do not store data or operate the system from within the US, or any country within US reach. https://owasp.org/www-community/Threat_Modeling_Process https://owasp.org/www-community/Threat_Modeling_Process
- kelseyfrog 11mo agoThey can be trivially defeated with a 6 dollar product[1]. 1. https://www.amazon.com/Custom-Personalized-Print-Bandana-Reusable/dp/B0D81F5WSL https://www.amazon.com/Custom-Personalized-Print-Bandana-Reu...
- pavel_lishin 11mo agoDo... do you think ICE agents would come up to you and just scan the mask you clearly have pulled over your head?
- gs17 11mo agoWorse, scanning the mask would guarantee no match to a citizen's face.
- gruez 11mo agohttps://xkcd.com/1105/ https://xkcd.com/1105/
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- varispeed 11mo agoI wonder why people downvote. Many western countries now couldn't be more obviously fascist. State responsibilities are being offloaded to multinational corporations, de facto private policing is around the corner, surveillance (digital ID tracking your movements and what you talk about, chat controls and whatnot). It's creeping in and people pretend it's not happening.
- snozolli 11mo agoMany western countries now couldn't be more obviously fascist. Which ones? This isn't an "I'm just asking" attack, I genuinely want to know which ones you think are obviously fascist.
- varispeed 11mo agoUS, UK, most of the EU.
- Cornbilly 11mo agoPeople downvote because an oligarchy controlled by big tech is their idea of a wet dream. Half of the user base of HN is “founders” excited at the idea that morals, values, and laws will no longer matter.
- gdulli 11mo agoTemporarily embarrassed founders.
- dgllghr 11mo agoI’ve gone from thinking people are oblivious to thinking that people are willing to sacrifice a lot (democracy, individual liberties, food safety, etc.) out of fear, selfishness, and greed. It is surprising with the HN crowd though given how much less innovation and entrepreneurship there is under fascism.
- fabian2k 11mo agoThe absolutely outrageous thing is that apparently they are instructed to ignore all other evidence of citizenship if that app says someone is not a citizen. So even if you have your birth certificate ready, doesn't matter. This is completely lawless. From the article: > He also said “ICE officials have told us that an apparent biometric match by Mobile Fortify is a ‘definitive’ determination of a person’s status and that an ICE officer may ignore evidence of American citizenship—including a birth certificate—if the app says the person is an alien.
- downrightmike 11mo agoPeople can look identical, that's the reason we started using finger prints. Faces are not unique.
- qingcharles 11mo agoMy friend (who has an identical twin) was joking about scanning himself into Cameo mode on Sora and making some goofy videos and saying they were his brother.
- burkaman 11mo agoAlso, this app uses photos from a combination of government databases, but there are millions of citizens without photo ID who won't show up in any of them.
- toomuchtodo 11mo agoSocial media datasets are likely in use. https://www.biometricupdate.com/202509/ice-awards-clearview-ai-9-2m-facial-recognition-contract https://www.biometricupdate.com/202509/ice-awards-clearview-... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clearview_AI https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clearview_AI
- krapp 11mo agoThere is no scientific proof that fingerprints are unique, either. Like a lot of forensic science, it's just accepted wisdom.
- barbazoo 11mo agoWow this is going downhill fast. I don't have access to the article but I'm assuming this is what Palantir is all about right? Or are we not quite there yet, is this the CBP face scanning they have at border crossings too?
- burkaman 11mo agoIt's about this app, they won't tell anyone who developed it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_Fortify https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_Fortify.
- micromacrofoot 11mo agoAny shred of trust that was left in our federal agencies is going straight down the drain.
- RajT88 11mo agoI think Family guy had a gag about this... https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/family-guy-skin-color-chart https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/family-guy-skin-color-chart
- stronglikedan 11mo agothat has nothing to do with this
- fabian2k 11mo agoOf course it has. They're checking people that look "foreign".
- RajT88 11mo agoThat's what they say, but of course they would say that. It's like that old Groucho joke: Who are you going to believe? Me, or your lyin' eyes?
- roywiggins 11mo agoThey don't even always say that: https://www.wbez.org/immigration/2025/09/29/feds-march-into-downtown-chicago-top-border-agent-says-people-are-arrested-based-on-how-they-look https://www.wbez.org/immigration/2025/09/29/feds-march-into-... > “Then, obviously, the particular characteristics of an individual, how they look. How do they look compared to, say, you?” he said to the reporter, a tall, middle-aged man of Anglo descent.
- roywiggins 11mo agoSCOTUS has endorsed using "apparent ethnicity" as grounds for a stop: https://www.scotusblog.com/2025/09/justice-brett-kavanaugh-and-racial-proxies/ https://www.scotusblog.com/2025/09/justice-brett-kavanaugh-a... Bovino says they do profile people on how they look: > “Then, obviously, the particular characteristics of an individual, how they look. How do they look compared to, say, you?” he said to the reporter, a tall, middle-aged man of Anglo descent. https://www.wbez.org/immigration/2025/09/29/feds-march-into-downtown-chicago-top-border-agent-says-people-are-arrested-based-on-how-they-look https://www.wbez.org/immigration/2025/09/29/feds-march-into-...
- dmitrygr 11mo ago'Katz v. United States' was quite clear - you have no expectation of privacy in public. Anyone may photograph you and use said photos. Do I like it? No. But that is the current caselaw in USA. "What a person knowingly exposes to the public [...] is not a subject of Fourth Amendment protection." - Justice Potter in 'Katz v. United States'
- softwaredoug 11mo agoIf they ignore all other forms of evidence that you're a citizen, that goes beyond privacy in a public space
- jimt1234 11mo agoThis ^^^ What is the point of having an ID in the first place, if they can just ignore it?
- advisedwang 11mo agoThey legally can take a photo of you, sure. But they aren't just taking a photo from across the street. They are also: 1. "briefly" detaining you to make you face a camera and take of hats etc for the app to get a good enough shot. 2. arresting you if it doesn't correctly identify you 3. using protected characteristics to decide who needs to get scanned.
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- jazzyjackson 11mo agoTaking photo is one thing, storing biometrics to compare against without consent is quite another Illinois has the Biometric Information Privacy Act. https://www.ilga.gov/Legislation/ILCS/Articles?ActID=3004&ChapterID=57 https://www.ilga.gov/Legislation/ILCS/Articles?ActID=3004&Ch...
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- jimt1234 11mo agoAsking a "kid" for his ID? Kids aren't supposed to have IDs, much less carry them around. I'm confused as to what the kid was supposed to provide.
- jazzyjackson 11mo agoThe lack of safeguarding is shocking. Kids should not be hassled at all much less strip searched without their parents.
- mrbombastic 11mo agoIf you haven’t seen it this video is a dystopian display of this tech in action: https://www.reddit.com/r/EyesOnIce/comments/1ogm1qk/ice_agents_chased_down_these_two_kids_on_their/?share_id=-WsGTvRCGmd6gkWWQGEkH&utm_content=1&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_source=share&utm_term=1 https://www.reddit.com/r/EyesOnIce/comments/1ogm1qk/ice_agen... I am struggling a bit personally with how to grapple with the fact that the career I have chosen has ended up bolstering all the horrible inclinations of those in power. I think we need some kind of tech workers collective and some version of the hippocratic oath to start pushing back against this bullshit.
- dogman144 11mo agoI think a lot of tech needs to go through that struggle. From the perspective of a long career in infosec, what’s occurring now was enabled a longtime ago by broad-based industry consensus. Concerns then, which == awful stuff occurring now, were robustly dismissed by many many many devs with s/strong viewpoints/paychecks. The only silver lining I can see is we’re taking our medicine now, but there’s a lot more to go through still, on the back of many significant tech capabilities. For example, Flock was kept out of many cities, but Amazon was not, Flock just signed a data sharing deal with Ring. That’s a no-nonsense, nationwide, warrantless vehicular and pedestrian tracking network mechanism. Not great, Bob! But RSUs for building it all sure was great.
- evanjrowley 11mo agoHow certain are we that the photos being taken are going to a Palantir database? Asking because the FBI has been assembling biometrics databases since the mid-20th century and providing access to other law enforcement agencies since the 1990s.
- Insanity 11mo agoIt's true now as in the past. Technology or science aren't inherently good or bad, just a matter of how you use it. Personally I enjoyed much more working on medical devices at a university than typical commercial software, simply because there's an ethical component to that software that was quite fulfilling.
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- _yb2s 11mo agoDon’t fall for the lie that this is at all about illegal immigration- that is just an excuse for what has become state sponsored KKK style racial terrorism operating completely outside the law. Videos all over the Internet show them violently attacking and terrorizing hispanic looking people with no concern for if they are citizens or not. At the Wilder raid in Idaho they were shooting children with rubber bullets, and zip tying them to watch as they brutally beat their (mostly US citizen) parents in front of them. At the same time you have the administration actively encouraging white immigration from South Africa, while firing all federal immigration judges that were still willing to hear valid asylum claims from brown skinned people. I want my country, freedom, and civil rights back.
- mothballed 11mo agoAlways has been. Biden's CBP goons stripped me naked, imprisoned me, ran up an ER bill for which I'm still being chased for by debt collectors, and tranported me by prisoner van all over the state, while they were enforcing Biden's (and now continue with Trump) insane war on drugs. I did not have drugs, I am not involved with drugs. Of course nothing was found, and the allegation was hearsay by an HSI detective that some unnamed dog alerted to an unnamed officer, neither of which I have any idea what they were even referencing.
- buellerbueller 11mo agoScale matters. Once is a bad actor; this is a bad executive branch, with seriously bad supporting turns by the highest court and congress.
- jshier 11mo agoYes, ICE has been a bad actor since the day it was created, which is why "shutdown ICE" has been a thing on the left for a while now. But it's now operating as the private military of Donald Trump and the executive branch on a scale never before seen in America. Its upcoming budget is greater than every other federal law enforcement agency combined. We see videos every day of their gleeful assaults on anyone they like, while their leadership has explicitly stated there will be no repercussions, and that they should be as abusive as they want.
- jimt1234 11mo agoDon't tread on me. ... Tread on them, just not me.
- GolfPopper 11mo agoAsk Pastor Niemöller how well that's likely to work out.
- mctt 11mo agoFirst they came for the Communists And I did not speak out Because I was not a Communist Then they came for the Socialists And I did not speak out Because I was not a Socialist Then they came for the trade unionists And I did not speak out Because I was not a trade unionist Then they came for the Jews And I did not speak out Because I was not a Jew Then they came for me And there was no one left To speak out for me Pastor Niemöller
- zzzeek 11mo agothe people who run YC and Hacker News have Peter Thiel's phone number. that's all I'm saying
- notahacker 11mo agoThey're too busy writing brave, orthodoxy-challenging essays about wokeness...
- toomuchtodo 11mo agoThey would call and say what? "Go home you crazy weaponized narcissist, you're drunk on power and delusions of techo authoritarianism." If you're challenging someone who can hurt you, you should not approach until you are highly confident you are going to win, whatever that looks like. I hope the folks mentioned are, and continue to remain, somewhere safe while this plays out.
- zzzeek 11mo agoMore like they'd come out publicly against what Thiel and Palantir are doing, given that they are members of, and colleagues within, the same communities of moneyed tech leadership.
- toomuchtodo 11mo agoAnd...what would that change about what Thiel and Palantir doing? A strongly worded letter will not lead to meaningful change against someone who does not care.
- zzzeek 11mo agohuh? public figures should not speak out against things they disapprove of, particularly by people they are known to be closely associated with? at the very least they should do it for themselves, to publicly distance themselves from something they disapprove of. Otherwise, we assume they approve, and that is the actual point of my post, which is as long as they stay silent about their colleague, we have to assume YC types have no problem with this stuff. (which we knew anyway. but their silence confirms it). like here's most of RFK Jr.s actual family saying he should resign: https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/rfk-jrs-family-members-call-for-his-resignation-say-he-is-a-threat-to-americans-health https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/rfk-jrs-family-members... what losers! they should have said nothing and stayed silent. because what's the use right? The use is at the very least, we know that they, the immediate family members, do not approve of their sibling's actions.
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- fabian2k 11mo agoMost people arrested by ICE now have no criminal record.
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- buellerbueller 11mo agoAnd what of the non-criminals? Are you glad that the government doesnt seem to care it is wantonly violating their rights?
- galagawinkle489 11mo ago[flagged]
- buellerbueller 11mo ago> invasion Don't think this meets either the common or legal definition of "invasion" >you decided it was "racist" and threw a fit every time anyone suggested it was a problem. I decided nothing, buddy. >If you hadn't let it become an issue, Interesting, because the last time it was about to be taken up by congress, DJT said not to do anything about it, for political advantage. Neither side has its hands clean here. > it wouldn't require this response. This is the only possible response? How unimaginitive.
- boston_clone 11mo agoAll, I recommend you familiarize yourself with relevant state laws regarding your protections when assisting folks that are in immediate danger, e.g.: https://oregon.public.law/statutes/ors_161.200 https://oregon.public.law/statutes/ors_161.200 I'm not a lawyer. So, if you have counsel on retainer and can stomach the bill, get clarity there first. But know that many states have such protections on the books. The veil of immunity for DHS agents may soon be pierced. Apathy and ignorance are no longer acceptable for this situation.
- hackingonempty 11mo agoYou can be arrested and charged with a federal criminal law, 18 USC 111 "assaulting, resisting, or impeding certain officers or employees." The judge wont entertain your arguments about state law. Fines and up to 8 years in a federal prison, 20 years if you use a deadly or dangerous weapon or actually inflict injury. You can get up to 15% off for good behavior, there is no parole.
- boston_clone 11mo agoGood points! Quite the cost / benefit analysis. One on hand, I'd really love to punch a neo-nazi to interrupt them disappearing people to concentration camps. On the other, ooooh scary federal charges.
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- boston_clone 11mo agowould a case like that go to a grand jury allowing for nullification to be on the table?
- HaZeust 11mo agoSort of. You have to look up if your state has "necessity/choice-of-evils” defense and the standard defense-of-others rule - and what scopes it has. I'll tell you this much, most judges will regard a circumstance for you to exert force against a peace officer - seeming or actual - as an extralegal action, and will very rarely affirm it as a protected action from the books. And even if you beat such a case, it ruins your life in the process. Their qualified immunity will remain longer than you can remain solvent.
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- puppycodes 11mo agoSeems like this would be to collect faces of what they consider "dissedents" rather than verify citizenship which can be done much more accurately through a mobile fingerprint reader. Then again, who needs accuracy when you dissapear people without a warrant.
- ASalazarMX 11mo agoFingerprint is individual surveillance, face scanning is mass surveillance. I'd expect governments to always favour the latter if given the choice.
- alwa 11mo agoWhen are citizens’ fingerprints normally put on file, in the US? Or, for that matter, noncitizens who entered irregularly?
- JohnMakin 11mo agoWhen you get a driver's license, for one.
- tracker1 11mo agoI don't recall getting fingerprinted when I got my Driver's license or renewed, or even when I had to switch to a national id version for travel. I did get fingerprint registration while considering adoption with my ex-wife as part of the background check.
- voxic11 11mo agoTexas takes the fingerprints of everyone who is issued a drivers license. In other states its usually only for commercial licenses.
- wildrhythms 11mo agoI've lived in 6 different states and never once got fingerprinted when obtaining a driver's license.
- Molitor5901 11mo agoI wonder if this is a portend to an American social credit score, like where China uses facial recognition to identify criminals at concerts[1], and jaywalkers, etc. which severely impacts a person's ability to get a job, housing, etc. I can't help but assume this is already being used at retail establishments, but now it could be tied into law enforcement databases, and .. communicate..
- mc32 11mo agoThose systems depend on enforcement. If a private system keeps score and gate keeps you usually have alternatives (utilities excluded), if it’s the gov and they decide to enforce it, then things get dire…
- Molitor5901 11mo agoBut what if Target security cooperates with the government, and they share capabilities, so that a facial recognition inside of a Target location would notify law enforcement who also has an interest in that person? In such a scenario.. Target would freely give its data but not necessarily acting an agent of the government.
- mc32 11mo agoPeople need to work to reverse the Bush and Obama initiated and then continued practice (setting precedent) of bypassing direct surveillance by buying data from data brokers. The Biden and Trump admins just continue this practice. That’s where people need to reverse the practice. I mean you had the FBI and probably others wiretapping Congress folks so… it’s like they don’t care.
- mindslight 11mo agoOr we need to focus on making data brokers illegal, period. Taking a page from the GDPR would be a good start. As long as the surveillance databases continue to exist, they will be juicy targets for anyone attracted to the power. And not just for the de jure government, but also plenty of "private" businesses that adopt them nearly in lockstep. If you get blackballed in the one used by say Target, it's not like Walmart is going to make it a point of competition to serve the small fraction of people who would be good customers but for getting tripped up by Target. Rather they will all use the same databases, shutting you off from most commerce. That's effectively creating a de facto government, independent of any de jure government adoption.
- oklahomasports 11mo agoDo people think they are clever and can have defacto open borders? Maybe stop the goon squads and enforce at the employer level though it would probably work too well…
- sanex 11mo agoMost of these people have SSNs and work permits. We let them in and let them work legally and now have suddenly changed our collective mind and are violently letting them know. It's absurd.
- oklahomasports 11mo agoActually there are at least ten million with no legal standing in the country at all. Did you actually just claim everyone in the country is here legally?
- dashundchen 11mo agoThe poster did not say everyone in the country is here, you're putting words in their mouth. Presumably in bad faith. Even non-citizens are entitled to due process and the 4th amendment. ICE is violating that left and right, citizens and legal residents included. Fuck ICE.
- antonvs 11mo ago> Actually there are at least ten million with no legal standing in the country at all. Except they form an important part of the economy, and they’re here because the government has implicitly allowed and supported that for decades. That’s not an accident, either. It’s provided a source of cheap labor, who are not enfranchised, so have no political representation. In many respects it’s a substitute for slavery. The perpetrators here aren’t the immigrants.
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- JuniperMesos 11mo agoHuge numbers of Venezuelans would want to leave Venezuela and immigrate to the US if they legally could, regardless of anything Trump does or doesn't do, because the US is a much richer and better-run country than Venezuela is. Working illegally for poor wages in the US is a better deal for many people than physically being in Venezuela. There's also nothing special about Venezuela in this respect, much of the world is so much poorer and badly run than the US that many people from many different places would prefer to live in the US compared to their own countries.
- array_key_first 11mo agoYes, the republicans doing republican things is the democrats fault!
- FireBeyond 11mo ago> lack of cooperation of every Democratic Party run city and state on illegal immigration It is not the job of state, let alone local, law enforcement to enforce federal law.
- ck2 11mo agoWhen I saw them do iris scanning during Iraq War I instantly knew that was coming to US police sooner or later, I guess this is the new easier method The crazy thing is though these people don't even have an identifying badge number and their license plates are often fake, zero repercussions for anything and they know it Imagine by 2028 what's going down if this is still the first year
- mperham 11mo agoI presume this is powered by data collected by the face scanners at airports when you go thru security?
- jimt1234 11mo agoRegarding the specific issue of using facial recognition apps to identify criminals, and using those apps as justification for detention/arrest - has this ever been challenged in court? I know there's caselaw that supports using cameras in public, but I'm wondering about the apps that are used to "recognize", and then the decision to detain/arrest based on those apps. If I'm a lawyer challenging this, I wanna see the source code for the app; I want verification that the app is working as it's intended, the false positive/negative rate, and that there's no way for someone to "put their thumb on the scale" to get a desired outcome, etc. I'm also gonna want access to the phone that was used to take the picture(s).
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- fatbird 11mo agoThis entire encounter is fake. What are you talking about? CBP has been in Illinois for weeks. Greg Bovino, their commander, has been hauled before a judge this week to testify about how CBP (and he, personally) have violated the judge's TRO against unjustified use of tear gas [0]. This is very basic factual stuff that's in the news every day. How do you not know this is going on? [0] https://abc7chicago.com/post/ice-chicago-news-border-patrol-chief-greg-bovino-appear-federal-court-immigration-operations/18079810/ https://abc7chicago.com/post/ice-chicago-news-border-patrol-...
- dragonwriter 11mo ago> Minors don't have biometrics. Minors do, in fact, have biometrics. Identification with them may be less reliable for some kinds of biometrics, but... reliability isn’t a hallmark of the current regimes “immigration enforcement” mechanisms. > They are not obligated to have any sort of ID, especially citizens. This is also true of adults, who are not obligated to have or carry ID if they are citizens (immigrants, both minors and adults, are a different story, are required to have ID, and are required to have biometrics taken unless they are under 14.) Obviously, it can’t rule out citizens (though it could compare to databases available to the feds, which I would assume state ID databases are), since not all citizens will have biometrics of any kind, or even ID photos on file, but if they have presumed that the targets are immigrants, then scanning can be used to compare to records of documented immigrants, reinforcing (note I do not say justiying) the conclusion tha they are illegally present if it fails to match. They can also be used to build intelligence databases of contacts even if not used to support immediate detention. > Also, what in the fuck would CBP be doing in Chicago? CBP, and more specifically Border Patrol, the main enforcement agency within CBP, is everywhere the Administration’s immhration crackdown is beig executed, and much of the most violent “immigration enforcement” attributed to “ICE” is actually Border Patrol, not ICE.
- solid_fuel 11mo ago> This entire encounter is fake. No, this entire encounter is illegal. It is a crime, being committed by the republican administration running the federal government and endorsed by every republican in congress who has declined to reign in the illegal behavior of the trump administration. It is, however, very real. If you reside in American, then this is the reality you live in, imposed upon you by republican voters. You don't get to just plug your ears and cover your eyes.
- phs318u 11mo agoAnti-surveillance makeup anyone? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_vision_dazzle https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_vision_dazzle
- _DeadFred_ 11mo agoCan we do stickers that people can print out and wear?
- phs318u 11mo agoA seriously good idea which I can find no prior art for! Also, worth checking out this pro-privacy/anti-surveillance artist/activist - Adam Harvey. His site and his work is a fantastic intro into the anti-surveillance scene. (Check out his DataPools). https://adam.harvey.studio/ https://adam.harvey.studio/
- troyvit 11mo agoOne of that article's top sources is Vogue (https://www.vogue.com/article/computer-vision-dazzle-anti-surveillance-facial-recognition-technology-moma-ps1 https://www.vogue.com/article/computer-vision-dazzle-anti-su...). I remember in college my magazine journalism prof surprised me by pointing out that Vogue a bad-ass journalistic enterprise in its own right. That was 35 years ago and it's cool to see they still have it.
- tsoukase 11mo agoLife in the US is turning like one of its sci-fi movies. Now it's playing the first half where the bad suppress the good, before the reverse will happen for a happy ending. By saying such I might come up as part of The Resistance in the future, like German people that resisted the Nazis are considered heroes after the war.
- Animats 11mo agoIn half an hour, Gregory Bovino, who heads some ICE operation in Chicago, is supposed to appear before a Federal judge to be questioned on what ICE did to whom today. Let's see if he shows up.
- nowaymo6237 11mo agoNice to see the post 9/11 digital surveillance and beyond finally get its usage by a fascist takeover
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- intalentive 11mo agoThe funny thing is these heavy handed tactics don’t scale. ICE’s own statistics show that deportations are down from the Biden Administration’s numbers last year. So what’s the point? To scare people? To set a precedent? To normalize civil rights abuses? Any right-leaning people who support this should understand that it could easily be used against them.
- EasyMark 11mo agoAnyone who doesn't think this won't be used against regular citizens is living a very sheltered life. Vote out the clowns every time you get a chance.
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- t0bia_s 11mo agoSo lets scan faces of agents and identify them. We can use those technologies in both ways.
- crote 11mo agoThey, of course, wear full face masks.
- jameslai 11mo agoDo they just deport tourists? What is the plan here?
- cornhole 11mo agothe gestapo is in town
- esalman 11mo agoSomeone masquerading as an ICE agent is actually going door to door in our neighborhood this morning, asking about a "pedophile". It is a pretty affluent neighborhood with average house prices over $1m.