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This guarantees I'll never buy a Samsung appliance. If they're this willing to screw with their customers today, they'll do it again tomorrow. Sadly, I'm inclu

This guarantees I'll never buy a Samsung appliance. If they're this willing to screw with their customers today, they'll do it again tomorrow. Sadly, I'm including their TVs in this. I have one today, displaying the output of an Apple TV and not directly connected to the Internet because hah, no way, but I'll be shopping around when it comes time to replace it. Pity. They make nice stuff. Not nice enough that I'm willing to tolerate their anti-customer shenanigans, but otherwise decent quality.

FuriouslyAdrift 1y ago
My house came with all Samsung appliances and I can't wait for all fo them to die. The dryer already went (8 years old). I've been replacing with mid-range LG on advice of the local repair company and been happy so far. Quirky and very few features but seems well built. Can't wait to replace the massive refrigerator and swap the gas range for inductive. Fridge is slowly going (cracked and leaking ice maker, condensation problem with deli drawer). I now know how my mom could justify the ridiculous expense of a Subzero refrigerator (around $6k back in 2000). That thing has only needed a couple of tune ups and no parts replacements in 20 years.
- Beijinger 1y ago
  8 years is pretty good. I personally like Bosch. Is a fridge with an icemaker not always problematic? How about biofilm? What is the advantage of an inductive stove? Will they even work in the US? I think in Europe they work with 360 V if I remember right. I realized two things: 1. You can cook nearly everything with a ricecooker. Just throw everything inside. Yes, even the minced meat on top. 2. An airfrier is better and faster than a shitty oven.
  - southwindcg 1y ago
    Only eight years for a dryer is definitely not pretty good in my mind. It's barely acceptable unless you have a huge family and are doing laundry daily. I had a low-end Capri (Sears house brand) that was 21 years old and still going strong when I moved away. It was serviced once, by me, to replace a fuse. If I'd paid twice as much and gotten only eight years out of one, I'd be furious.
    - EvanAnderson 1y ago
      Yeah-- I was thinking that 8 years isn't even broken-in. My old Sears dryer was 27 when I had to replace a pulley and a thermal fuse. It ran just like it was new after that. I left it with that house but, hopefully, it's still running today.
      - userbinator 1y ago
        Sears (Kenmore) appliances from that era are manufactured by Whirlpool in the US.
      - FuriouslyAdrift 1y ago
        The motor died on mine and they "didn't make it any more". I tried to find something close and make custom gearing but it ended up being cheaper to get a new dryer.
  - darkwater 1y ago
    > What is the advantage of an inductive stove? That you can control temperature changes better than with a ceramic hob, on par with methane stoves. > I think in Europe they work with 360 V No, normal 230V (or 220V)
    - smallstepforman 1y ago
      3 phase is 380V
      - margalabargala 1y ago
        Three phase consumer induction stoves are approximately 0% of the consumer induction stove market.
        buzer 1y ago
        My understanding is that many of them can be wired as 1, 2 or 3 phase at least in Nordic countries, though admittedly the ones which allow 3 are somewhat rarer especially when looking at stove top-only models (not combined stove+oven).
        margalabargala 1y ago
        As far as I can tell, there are a single digit number of municipalities on the planet where two phase power is available. Do you have more details on that I can read? There's not a ton of.info on Wikipedia and I'm interested to know more.
        buzer 1y ago
        If you are asking about some stoves that can be installed that way, there is for example FÖRDELAKTIG from Ikea. The manual is at https://www.ikea.com/gb/en/manuals/foerdelaktig-induction-hob-integrated-extractor-ikea-700-black__AA-2312628-5-1.pdf https://www.ikea.com/gb/en/manuals/foerdelaktig-induction-ho..., you can find the wiring options from page 13.
  - FuriouslyAdrift 1y ago
    All inductive ranges pretty much use the same 2700 watt elements. In the US, you have to do a dedicated circuit (50 amp required but I had bigger wire pulled because of resistive heating and sag potential with some ovens triggering circuit breakers). Inductive tends to be much more efficient than gas (which is what I have) and vastly more efficient than straight electric.
- FridayoLeary 1y ago
  My parents fridge started it's life in the mid 1990's, and their freezer is probably a decade older, at this stage nobody knows. I don't think they were expensive models.
  - mbajkowski 1y ago
    I can relate. Same for my parents. Washer and dryer still going strong after 30 years, same for the fridge which has been relegated to the basement since the paint has begun to chip. Microwave still works. And out of the three AC units they have, only one needed service. Maybe they are just exceptionally lucky compared to me. And these were not very expensive appliances for that time. I used to offer washers and dryers in rental properties for convenience, but their reliability has become so bad lately that it is not worth it.
  - wiredfool 1y ago
    My parents are moving out of their house of ~50 years. The garage fridge was in the house (as the kitchen one) when they moved in. The chest freezer in the basement moved with them in '77. They have had at least three kitchen fridges in the time since the fridge got moved to the garage. I've lost track of the number of dishwashers. The current one was out of service for a few months, partially due to wifi/firmware issues. The super expensive oven clock doesn't work anymore, since it broke after the last time it was fixed for an $800 callout.
  - winrid 1y ago
    They were likely the equivalent of $3k today. That's part of why these things don't last. Nobody wants to spend $3k on a fridge.
- oh-4-fucks-sake 1y ago
  Speed Queen for washing machines. Bosch for dishwashers.
  - sgarland 1y ago
    Bosch 800-series dishwashers are amazing. I’ve bought one at every house I’ve lived at, regardless of what’s installed. They’re quiet, they get everything clean no matter what, and they dry without a heating element, and without popping the front open. Re: washing machines, I tentatively put forward LG. I bought one (and matching dryer) in the early 2010s, and it lasted 7 years before needing me to replace some balancing parts. It lasted years after that. Hoping for the same on this next move in a few days (yes, I move a lot).
    - FuriouslyAdrift 1y ago
      My parents have a Bosch 800 series dishwasher and it is excellent... frickin pricey for a dishwasher though (about 3x more than the cheap GE one in my place)
  - flyinghamster 1y ago
    You might want to reconsider Bosch (or be careful about which model you choose): https://www.jeffgeerling.com/blog/2025/i-wont-connect-my-dishwasher-your-stupid-cloud https://www.jeffgeerling.com/blog/2025/i-wont-connect-my-dis...
  - Finnucane 1y ago
    We’ve been pretty happy with the the Speed Queen set we bought a few years ago. No IoT crap.
- grogenaut 1y ago
  When I bought my new fridge I told the sales guy I wanted the least features possible. "You don't want an in door ice maker" "How many of those have you seen that aren't broken" "not many. no through door window?" "I know there's milk in the fridge why do I need to see that there's milk in the fridge?" down and down the list. Eventually we settled on a very bare bones whilrpool french door. It's very simple. My previous fridge I could fix with a screwdriver and a piece of wire. These things push cold air from a compressor that lasts 50 years if it's not fucked with by electronics and some boxes that are all passive insulation. They were solved problems 30 years ago. The speed queen washer that came with the house failed. The 30 year old lid switch literally fell apart. $10 on amazon next day. Took me 10 minutes and youtube to take the machine apart. It's meant to be serviced and I'm handy. I don't get engineers who won't try and fix their appliances. It's like a free weekend day entertainment for me.
zaptheimpaler 1y ago
I got a new Samsung TV recently, i don't get the huge hatred for their software. It has some free TV channels, it has apps for the streaming services, even a decent web browser and overall good features. It supports Airplay, Google Cast, bluetooth etc. The OS has some annoyances and rough edges, but its mostly fine. I let it connect to the internet but not any of my other LAN devices so it cant' snoop too much. I just don't see the problem, and don't see how connecting a different box to watch the same things is much better than just using the OS to do that. If they did have ads on it that would definitely be a problem though.
- spicybright 1y ago
  Well, they could easily push a software update to add ads to your TV without a rollback option and disable features if you don't allow it. If you upgrade your TV on the regular I guess you'd just buy a new one, but treating it as a dumb display guarantees you can keep using it as long as it physically works.
- somedude895 1y ago
  I had a Samsung TV ten years ago. While watching Game of Thrones with friends, it overlayed an ad at the top of the screen recommending I play Fruit Ninja on my TV. I immediately disconnected it from my WiFi and have not bought a single other Samsung device since, except for one thumbdrive that I needed. Avoiding Samsung as a brand when buying electronics has been really easy as well.
- JoshTriplett 1y ago
  > and don't see how connecting a different box to watch the same things is much better than just using the OS to do that. Because then you can replace a $50-100 box when it starts misbehaving (e.g. tracking and selling your information) or not getting upgrades anymore or getting slower, rather than replacing a $1000 TV.
- hamburglar 1y ago
  Well my Samsung tv I bought two years ago has gotten progressively slower and slower despite never installing any new stuff on it and only using the basic functionality, so that is pretty infuriating. Every couple of weeks I have to unplug it (because naturally a soft power off isn’t really doing anything) and it’ll be fast again for a while. When it’s slow it can easily take 10 seconds to bring up the menu.
electric_mayhem 1y ago
Agreed. Showing ads on TVs is beyond the pale. (Sorry, I just had to. In fact, thoug, I would be furious if my tv injected ads onto my source material)
nappy-doo 1y ago
I beg to differ that Samsung makes good stuff. We had a Samsung front-loading washer. The drum and the crank that holds the drum were made of two different materials, and in the presence of the water and detergent, a galvanic reaction occurred, dissolving the drum arm. Replacing the arm was $400 in parts and over 8 hours in repair time. (There's lots of YT videos of this exact repair.) What kind of monkey designs something like that. It's obsolescence by design. I will never buy another Samsung product.
- stephen_g 1y ago
  I’m glad to have avoided it - when I moved from sharing with room-mates into my own place and had to buy new appliances, there had just been a spate of Samsung appliances literally randomly catching fire in the news. Those models have all been recalled but it put me right off. Otherwise I might have considered them but steered well clear, and am very happy with the decision a decade later. Went Bosch for the washer and Electrolux for the fridge, had zero issues.
- _cs2017_ 1y ago
  How long did it take to break? Also, I'm wondering if any other manufacturer would make the crank and the drum from the same material. Wouldn't it be like $100 extra to make a stainless steel spider?
  - mh- 1y ago
    > stainless steel spider like in Wild Wild West?
  - nappy-doo 1y ago
    I can't recall, but I think it was about 7 years. Some will say that's an acceptable lifetime, but I think I did the math once, and estimated it was only a little less than laundromat pricing (less opportunity cost).
- hedora 1y ago
  Ours died with a “cannot communicate with board A” error. The wiring harness (yes, an irreplaceable harness) between A and B looked fine. We replaced boards A and B, which were half the price of the machine and not returnable. Same error code. We threw it out and got a Speed Queen. Our Samsung fridge’s manual says it’ll automatically and silently mesh network with any Samsung TVs in range, use AI and hidden cameras to recognize what’s in the fridge and when we use it, then have the TV inject targeted ads into programming based on its findings. We’ll never purchase another Samsung product.
javier2 1y ago
hah, I also keep the samsung tv cut off from internet. It was bad enough they come pre installed with clearly sponsored apps (because they were absolute trash).
nomel 1y ago
I was out when they decided to change their authentication, with only two weeks notice, and (from what I read) incorrect documentation, causing it all to not work with HomeAssistant for a month [1]. [1] https://github.com/home-assistant/core/issues/133623#issuecomment-2593694731 https://github.com/home-assistant/core/issues/133623#issueco...
andrewmcwatters 1y ago
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lexszero_ 1y ago
For a short while, I worked at one of Samsung subsidiaries on their TV firmware, mostly fixing Linux kernel bugs introduced by the product teams cannibalizing upstream features to serve their needs (including intentionally disabling reasonable kernel security measures that happened to be in their way). I've seen things, both technical and organizational, that led me to pledge never to give my money to that company, or have their devices connected to networks I care about. I don't trust any of it, if not due to evil intent, but just incompetence.
- lawlessone 1y ago
  i would have thought "better the devil you know" here. The other manufacturers are probably doing similar shenanigans
FloorEgg 1y ago
I bought a Samsung phone back in like 2014, and shortly after bought smartwatch to pair with it. A year later, Samsung released an update that removed the pairing functionality so my smartwatch could no longer pair. They did this in conjunction with releasing their own smartwatch and some proprietary pairing protocol. I'm not a fan of vendor lock in, but their decision to retroactively remove functionality that I was depending on led me to never buy another Samsung product since.
kelnos 1y ago
> They make nice stuff. Do they? I've never owned a Samsung phone, in large part because I was always turned off by reports that they liked to skin Android in annoying/lame ways. I have a Samsung fridge/freezer (old and not-smart), but the in-door ice maker has a design flaw that causes condensation to drip, freeze, and clog it, so we've given up on it and just make our own ice with regular old-school trays in the freezer. I'm not going to say they make crap, but their stuff is... okay, I guess.
- SchemaLoad 1y ago
  I've had a few Samsung products over the years. The only one I haven't regretted is their SSDs, both internal and external. Those seem to be good. Everything else has been awful.
  - distances 1y ago
    I'm also one of those who never buys Samsung. So when it came to a new NVMe, the main options were Samsung and WD, and I kept the track record by going with WD.
- ssl-3 1y ago
  Samsung once sold a fantastic phone. It had a wonderful camera, a great 432 PPI OLED screen, a battery that could be swapped in seconds with no tools, a headphone jack, an SD card slot, NFC, optional wireless charging, USB 3.0, HDMI output over MHL, an IR emitter for shenanigans, heart rate and blood oxygen saturation sensors, and at 8.1mm thick it was also waterproof. It was hackable, rootable, and it ran aftermarket ROMs like a dream. It was the Galaxy S5, and it was released just over a decade ago. Things have been headed downhill ever since.
kragen 1y ago
If you're buying chips (other than Flash) made with cutting-edge semiconductor processes, your options are only Samsung and TSMC. How long will it take Samsung's foundries to start adding malicious hardware implants to their customers' designs?
csomar 1y ago
They make nice stuff? I’ve stopped buying samsung 10 years ago and even before then not a single device was decent (and I bought phones, screens, home appliances, a TV)
- stOneskull 1y ago
  i have good memories of my Note 3. samsung was pretty cool back then. i bought some galaxy s 5 years ago for a lot of money, then it got splashed with water and died. stupid waste of money. i've had my current oppo for 3+ years and he's a trooper, and it was about half the price of a similar-spec samsung. samsung is overpriced shit.
somat 1y ago
> not directly connected to the Internet. Hopefully you don't have a neighbor like me. I keep an open wifi channel. So far the only customer has been the neighbors samsung tv phoning home. I felt bad about that and blocked it. But wow are they aggressive trying to get that telemetry out.
winrid 1y ago
Their TVs and phones have terrible PWM and are bad for your eyes anyway.
darepublic 1y ago
I would never buy a roku tv with its built in ads. Unfortunately my partner did that for me. Most people simply don't care about this kind of stuff. If it has the gleam of newness, hell the ads are kind of flashy I don't mind em at all!
Nursie 1y ago
I won't buy Sony TVs any more because of their software, because it started displaying ads on the home-screen. It's Google TV, and I don't mind ads for content on the home screen. I use a bunch of streaming services, I might want to watch whatever's up there, that's not entirely incongruous. Then about a year after purchase we started getting ads for L'Oreal shampoo and other products. Nope. Sony acted confused when I sent a support ticket, and eventually said "Oh, that's because it's Google TV, nothing we can do about it". I replied saying perhaps they had given too much control over their tv experience to a third party. I was able to activate "App Only Mode" to make them go away, but you lose a bunch of the features and have to disable it to get to the play store if you want to install anything else. Pisses me off. I paid a couple of thousand dollars (AUD) for that tv, I shouldn't have advertising shoved in my face.
AlexandrB 1y ago
Samsung makes great components and terrible appliances. Buy a monitor with a Samsung panel or a Samsung SSD and you'll be a happy camper. Buy a Samsung fridge or washing machine and your life will be hell.
SV_BubbleTime 1y ago
>This guarantees I'll never buy a Samsung appliance. I saw someone else’s Samsung TV with ads on the input select menu… That was enough to pre-ban myself from any future Samsung appliance.
- SchemaLoad 1y ago
  Even when they aren't loaded with ads, Samsung products are built to fail almost immediately. My Samsung vacuum has been a total piece of shit that's falling apart. I will never buy another Samsung product again.
rpcope1 1y ago
Other than probably flash storage, there's never been a Samsung product that's ever been better than just throwing at least the equivalent amount of money in a fire pit and incinerating it. They've never sold an appliance appropriate even as a boat anchor, and I'm amazed at this point that people even consider buying their junk.
HeavyStorm 1y ago
You know, the ad they display on the home annoys me and I've never thought much about it. The prevalence of ads is so much that I think I already expected it there.
noir_lord 1y ago
Same they are off my list as well though I generally have less than zero interest in smart devices, I also have a Samsung "smart" TV as well, it asked for Wifi first time I turned it on, said "nope" connected a HDMI to a Fedora box and just use that. I control what devices in my house connect to the internet.
- netsharc 1y ago
  I'm going to sell this idea to Samsung and earn me some Wons: > When showing that the user has switched to HDMI input, show the full screen information: "HDMI1, brought to you by _____ [insert advertiser here]. Best experienced with Monster HDMI cables. Gold plated for the digital clarity."
  - teddyh 1y ago
    Do not create the Torment Nexus. (<https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/torment-nexus https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/torment-nexus>)
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- monkpit 1y ago
  > I control what devices in my house connect to the internet. That’s certainly admirable, but haven’t tv manufacturers beeen caught connecting to ANY WiFi they find, if it’s open? Amongst other various dark patterns? Your statement here kind of characterizes it as user error, but the manufacturers are absolutely hostile actors here.
  - JoshTriplett 1y ago
    > That’s certainly admirable, but haven’t tv manufacturers beeen caught connecting to ANY WiFi they find, if it’s open? Not yet. Wouldn't be surprising, but most of the time the problem is "person holding the remote wants it to work, connects it to wifi when it offers, doesn't know that they shouldn't".
Fwirt 1y ago
Samsung appliances have among the worst reputations for ease of repair and lifespan. Sadly most other brands are rebrands of Chinese conglomerates or not much better on the quality chain. But honestly it's also a lottery. We bought a fridge on sale for $500 as an emergency stopover when our expensive fridge was delayed by a month during a move, and it's still plugging along out in the garage, a hostile environment for fridges. All the parts are very accessible too which bodes well for repair, although the leveling feet did snap off. However, when you see the viral videos of "dream fridges" from the 1950s, it's important to remember that adjusted for inflation they would be something like $10k today. Of course they also last 10x as long, but you can still find fridges in that price range today with a similar value proposition. The question is whether or not you're willing to pay that upfront. I think we've all been so conditioned to accept that appliances go obsolete that it doesn't seem possible for a fridge like that to ever pay for itself. It's the boots theory at work.
- tempest_ 1y ago
  The issue is that the 10k fridge is not actually any better. The "luxury" appliances can be double that and are still shit.
  - pixl97 1y ago
    Depends if it's luxury or commercial. Commercial products are generally able to be fixed, but there is a quite a price premium on them.
    - xethos 1y ago
      Commercial and consumer dishwashers are only the same in that they're both called "dishwashers" and use water. The former expect little to no food, have cycles measured in minutes, and run at temperatures that would eat more sensitive dishes alive.
      - potato3732842 1y ago
        You were close. A commercial dishwasher will cut right through amounts of food that a normal residential dishwasher wouldn't touch (pre-wash is more for efficiency and to keep crap from piling up in the bottom tray of the dishwasher) and it will actually be ever so slightly less harsh on whatever goes in it (plastics are the problem mostly) because while it washes and rinses way hotter it doesn't have a stupid heating element that runs to dry things. It will also use fucktons more water and more power and make more noise.
toomuchtodo 1y ago
I've bought GE recently with good luck (GSS25IYNFSS, specifically). No affiliation, just someone who buys a lot of appliances that need to last and be simple for longevity (housing provider). My kingdom for someone who could build the old, reliable tanks of yesteryear. https://ncph.org/history-at-work/rethinking-the-refrigerator/ https://ncph.org/history-at-work/rethinking-the-refrigerator... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refrigerator https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refrigerator
- TylerE 1y ago
  There is no such thing as consumer GE products. They haven't existed for several decades. The name has been licensed to various brands in China, but the only thing actual GE made in it's last several decades (It suffered existence failure in 2024 after a series of spinoffs) is aircraft engines. Anything sold as "GE" is just re-badged somebody else's crap, mostly Haier.
- MiddleEndian 1y ago
  The dishwasher that came with my condo was GE, and when it stopped draining completely, I found the instruction manual, and it was mostly ads for other GE products. Ironically, I replaced it with a Samsung dishwasher with a clearer instruction manual and easy repair investigations. Of course I am no longer inclined to purchase Samsung products based on this new info. I honestly think that if a company pushes an update that makes its product worse, they should be obligated to refund you 100% of the original purchase price.
- grepfru_it 1y ago
  Crap crap and more crap. The quality control on GE fridges is absolutely the worst of all worst. It's possible because you are working with the economy of scale that you don't see the typical problems that individuals run into. But I went through 5 in a row and every single one had a problem. Switched to LG and never looked back
  - vel0city 1y ago
    LG with their faulty Linear Compressors and craft ice makers that are doomed to fail? The one with the big lawsuit for their faulty fridges? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y54QbkCtFE4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y54QbkCtFE4 I have an LG fridge. I like it. I think the linear compressor tech is cool, even if their implementation is potentially flawed. I don't expect this thing to last a decade.
SilverElfin 1y ago
Their TVs still don’t support all the HDR formats right?
- fwip 1y ago
  Yeah - they support HDR10 (the most common HDR), HDR10+ (adds per-scene tone-mapping, but is rare to see media for), but not Dolby Vision (which requires paying a license fee to the Dolby folks). I've heard that Netflix has added HDR10+ streams recently, but I haven't verified that myself.
- kstrauser 1y ago
  That's correct. I can't use it at all with my Apple TV or Playstation 5, because the screen immediately goes dark. I don't know how to describe this exactly, but say that the TV's regular RGB display goes from 1 to 100. I'd expect that HDR would make it go from -50 to 150, or something like that. Instead, on my Samsung, it goes from -50 to 50. No amount of control fiddling can make it get as bright as it does in non-HDR mode. Our cheaper LG works beautifully with the same inputs. The Samsung? Nope. Everything looks like the finale of Game of Thrones, even when you're looking at a soccer game played on a sunny day at noon on the equator.
  - TylerE 1y ago
    > I'd expect that HDR would make it go from -50 to 150 That's not how HDR works. It expands the high range exclusively. So more like 0 to 1000 instead of 0 to 100.
    - kstrauser 1y ago
      You're right about how HDR should work. I'm reporting how my Samsung TV does work. It's terrible, and clearly a bug. There are many, many forum posts about "samsung hdr dark", often with random advice about adjusting the gamma, etc., that sounds like it should work but only helps a little bit.
    - Dylan16807 1y ago
      Your approximation isn't really better than theirs. It's true that you can't go below black, but SDR has extremely bad precision below 1 nit. HDR can accurately represent scenes at least 100x darker than SDR, in addition to bright spots at least 100x brighter. https://2.img-dpreview.com/files/p/TS940x940~forums/66687985/bd8c49f436f643f28073c866da0e3834 https://2.img-dpreview.com/files/p/TS940x940~forums/66687985...
leblancfg 1y ago
My Samsung computer monitor is also the stuff of nightmares. Same story: useless "smart" UI features. I'm told I can use it as a dozen different things. But it sucks as a computer monitor. Not cheap either!
- pfych 1y ago
  My Samsung 4k 240hz OLED monitor has an absolutely gorgeous panel but if I knew I'd need to connect it to the internet and run a PYTHON script to disable some of its "features"[1] I probably would have gotten a similar LG display instead. [^1]: https://pfy.ch/programming/disable-samsung-game-bar.html https://pfy.ch/programming/disable-samsung-game-bar.html
  - deltaburnt 1y ago
    Thank you for sharing this holy crap. I have this exact monitor and that popup drives me absolutely insane.
    - pfych 1y ago
      I'm always happy to hear this from people. I get maybe an email a month specifically about this post haha
- LogicHound 1y ago
  I got their monitors from the "before" they bunged smart into everything. 2 x 4K from 2016/2017. These things refuse to die and the picture is still good. Unfortunately all of my relatives love their phones.
  - SoftTalker 1y ago
    I had a Samsung phone a few years ago. It had the usual un-removable crap that Android phones have, but it wasn’t bad otherwise.
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thewebguyd 1y ago
> I have one today, displaying the output of an Apple TV and not directly connected to the Internet That's how I do it as well, and I hate that dumb TVs are getting increasingly more rare. I know the day is coming where any new "Smart" TV will mandate you connect it to the internet to go through some initial setup process or require regular phone homes to function, and I'm not looking forward to it. I don't want my TV to do anything except display whatever I have connected to it. It's job stops there.
maerF0x0 1y ago
At least with Vizio I kinda expected it. I can't imagine paying $3500 only to have it have the "benefit" of ads added after the fact.
0cf8612b2e1e 1y ago
The problem is that we are running out of alternatives. How long until there are no refrigerators, TVs, cars, whatever that will not work without some amount of baked in advertising?
- bluGill 1y ago
  Depends on what consumers stand for. If enough complain. If enough get bad reviews. If enough get returned. If enough buy something else is the big one. If there are other uses where they can't (some TVs are used a safety message boards in factories - if the ads ever show in this context and someone is hurt there will be a lawsuit - so there will be some demand at any price for something without ads)
  - masijo 1y ago
    How are people still buying into the whole "voting with your wallet" crap?
    - bluGill 1y ago
      Most people don't care and so don't vote with their wallet.
      - gxs 1y ago
        Also, people don't realize that sometimes it doesn't even matter Enough people don't care, don't notice, or in the worst case, even when they do, if the companies band together and don't give people a choice, eventually they will cave and thats what i predict will happen here In the future i suspect most people's homes will have ads, except for nerds who will have rooted their devices. and hopefully their moms.
        ryandrake 1y ago
        A lot of people have gotten so used to their entire lives being saturated in ads that they don't even notice them anymore.
more_corn 1y ago
I’m boycotting all Samsung products permanently.

FuriouslyAdrift 1y ago

My house came with all Samsung appliances and I can't wait for all fo them to die. The dryer already went (8 years old). I've been replacing with mid-range LG on advice of the local repair company and been happy so far. Quirky and very few features but seems well built. Can't wait to replace the massive refrigerator and swap the gas range for inductive. Fridge is slowly going (cracked and leaking ice maker, condensation problem with deli drawer). I now know how my mom could justify the ridiculous expense of a Subzero refrigerator (around $6k back in 2000). That thing has only needed a couple of tune ups and no parts replacements in 20 years.

Beijinger 1y ago
8 years is pretty good. I personally like Bosch. Is a fridge with an icemaker not always problematic? How about biofilm? What is the advantage of an inductive stove? Will they even work in the US? I think in Europe they work with 360 V if I remember right. I realized two things: 1. You can cook nearly everything with a ricecooker. Just throw everything inside. Yes, even the minced meat on top. 2. An airfrier is better and faster than a shitty oven.
- southwindcg 1y ago
  Only eight years for a dryer is definitely not pretty good in my mind. It's barely acceptable unless you have a huge family and are doing laundry daily. I had a low-end Capri (Sears house brand) that was 21 years old and still going strong when I moved away. It was serviced once, by me, to replace a fuse. If I'd paid twice as much and gotten only eight years out of one, I'd be furious.
  - EvanAnderson 1y ago
    Yeah-- I was thinking that 8 years isn't even broken-in. My old Sears dryer was 27 when I had to replace a pulley and a thermal fuse. It ran just like it was new after that. I left it with that house but, hopefully, it's still running today.
    - userbinator 1y ago
      Sears (Kenmore) appliances from that era are manufactured by Whirlpool in the US.
    - FuriouslyAdrift 1y ago
      The motor died on mine and they "didn't make it any more". I tried to find something close and make custom gearing but it ended up being cheaper to get a new dryer.
- darkwater 1y ago
  > What is the advantage of an inductive stove? That you can control temperature changes better than with a ceramic hob, on par with methane stoves. > I think in Europe they work with 360 V No, normal 230V (or 220V)
  - smallstepforman 1y ago
    3 phase is 380V
    - margalabargala 1y ago
      Three phase consumer induction stoves are approximately 0% of the consumer induction stove market.
      - buzer 1y ago
        My understanding is that many of them can be wired as 1, 2 or 3 phase at least in Nordic countries, though admittedly the ones which allow 3 are somewhat rarer especially when looking at stove top-only models (not combined stove+oven).
        margalabargala 1y ago
        As far as I can tell, there are a single digit number of municipalities on the planet where two phase power is available. Do you have more details on that I can read? There's not a ton of.info on Wikipedia and I'm interested to know more.
        buzer 1y ago
        If you are asking about some stoves that can be installed that way, there is for example FÖRDELAKTIG from Ikea. The manual is at https://www.ikea.com/gb/en/manuals/foerdelaktig-induction-hob-integrated-extractor-ikea-700-black__AA-2312628-5-1.pdf https://www.ikea.com/gb/en/manuals/foerdelaktig-induction-ho..., you can find the wiring options from page 13.
- FuriouslyAdrift 1y ago
  All inductive ranges pretty much use the same 2700 watt elements. In the US, you have to do a dedicated circuit (50 amp required but I had bigger wire pulled because of resistive heating and sag potential with some ovens triggering circuit breakers). Inductive tends to be much more efficient than gas (which is what I have) and vastly more efficient than straight electric.
FridayoLeary 1y ago
My parents fridge started it's life in the mid 1990's, and their freezer is probably a decade older, at this stage nobody knows. I don't think they were expensive models.
- mbajkowski 1y ago
  I can relate. Same for my parents. Washer and dryer still going strong after 30 years, same for the fridge which has been relegated to the basement since the paint has begun to chip. Microwave still works. And out of the three AC units they have, only one needed service. Maybe they are just exceptionally lucky compared to me. And these were not very expensive appliances for that time. I used to offer washers and dryers in rental properties for convenience, but their reliability has become so bad lately that it is not worth it.
- wiredfool 1y ago
  My parents are moving out of their house of ~50 years. The garage fridge was in the house (as the kitchen one) when they moved in. The chest freezer in the basement moved with them in '77. They have had at least three kitchen fridges in the time since the fridge got moved to the garage. I've lost track of the number of dishwashers. The current one was out of service for a few months, partially due to wifi/firmware issues. The super expensive oven clock doesn't work anymore, since it broke after the last time it was fixed for an $800 callout.
- winrid 1y ago
  They were likely the equivalent of $3k today. That's part of why these things don't last. Nobody wants to spend $3k on a fridge.
oh-4-fucks-sake 1y ago
Speed Queen for washing machines. Bosch for dishwashers.
- sgarland 1y ago
  Bosch 800-series dishwashers are amazing. I’ve bought one at every house I’ve lived at, regardless of what’s installed. They’re quiet, they get everything clean no matter what, and they dry without a heating element, and without popping the front open. Re: washing machines, I tentatively put forward LG. I bought one (and matching dryer) in the early 2010s, and it lasted 7 years before needing me to replace some balancing parts. It lasted years after that. Hoping for the same on this next move in a few days (yes, I move a lot).
  - FuriouslyAdrift 1y ago
    My parents have a Bosch 800 series dishwasher and it is excellent... frickin pricey for a dishwasher though (about 3x more than the cheap GE one in my place)
- flyinghamster 1y ago
  You might want to reconsider Bosch (or be careful about which model you choose): https://www.jeffgeerling.com/blog/2025/i-wont-connect-my-dishwasher-your-stupid-cloud https://www.jeffgeerling.com/blog/2025/i-wont-connect-my-dis...
- Finnucane 1y ago
  We’ve been pretty happy with the the Speed Queen set we bought a few years ago. No IoT crap.
grogenaut 1y ago
When I bought my new fridge I told the sales guy I wanted the least features possible. "You don't want an in door ice maker" "How many of those have you seen that aren't broken" "not many. no through door window?" "I know there's milk in the fridge why do I need to see that there's milk in the fridge?" down and down the list. Eventually we settled on a very bare bones whilrpool french door. It's very simple. My previous fridge I could fix with a screwdriver and a piece of wire. These things push cold air from a compressor that lasts 50 years if it's not fucked with by electronics and some boxes that are all passive insulation. They were solved problems 30 years ago. The speed queen washer that came with the house failed. The 30 year old lid switch literally fell apart. $10 on amazon next day. Took me 10 minutes and youtube to take the machine apart. It's meant to be serviced and I'm handy. I don't get engineers who won't try and fix their appliances. It's like a free weekend day entertainment for me.

zaptheimpaler 1y ago

I got a new Samsung TV recently, i don't get the huge hatred for their software. It has some free TV channels, it has apps for the streaming services, even a decent web browser and overall good features. It supports Airplay, Google Cast, bluetooth etc. The OS has some annoyances and rough edges, but its mostly fine. I let it connect to the internet but not any of my other LAN devices so it cant' snoop too much. I just don't see the problem, and don't see how connecting a different box to watch the same things is much better than just using the OS to do that. If they did have ads on it that would definitely be a problem though.

spicybright 1y ago
Well, they could easily push a software update to add ads to your TV without a rollback option and disable features if you don't allow it. If you upgrade your TV on the regular I guess you'd just buy a new one, but treating it as a dumb display guarantees you can keep using it as long as it physically works.
somedude895 1y ago
I had a Samsung TV ten years ago. While watching Game of Thrones with friends, it overlayed an ad at the top of the screen recommending I play Fruit Ninja on my TV. I immediately disconnected it from my WiFi and have not bought a single other Samsung device since, except for one thumbdrive that I needed. Avoiding Samsung as a brand when buying electronics has been really easy as well.
JoshTriplett 1y ago
> and don't see how connecting a different box to watch the same things is much better than just using the OS to do that. Because then you can replace a $50-100 box when it starts misbehaving (e.g. tracking and selling your information) or not getting upgrades anymore or getting slower, rather than replacing a $1000 TV.
hamburglar 1y ago
Well my Samsung tv I bought two years ago has gotten progressively slower and slower despite never installing any new stuff on it and only using the basic functionality, so that is pretty infuriating. Every couple of weeks I have to unplug it (because naturally a soft power off isn’t really doing anything) and it’ll be fast again for a while. When it’s slow it can easily take 10 seconds to bring up the menu.

electric_mayhem 1y ago

Agreed. Showing ads on TVs is beyond the pale. (Sorry, I just had to. In fact, thoug, I would be furious if my tv injected ads onto my source material)

nappy-doo 1y ago

I beg to differ that Samsung makes good stuff. We had a Samsung front-loading washer. The drum and the crank that holds the drum were made of two different materials, and in the presence of the water and detergent, a galvanic reaction occurred, dissolving the drum arm. Replacing the arm was $400 in parts and over 8 hours in repair time. (There's lots of YT videos of this exact repair.) What kind of monkey designs something like that. It's obsolescence by design. I will never buy another Samsung product.

stephen_g 1y ago
I’m glad to have avoided it - when I moved from sharing with room-mates into my own place and had to buy new appliances, there had just been a spate of Samsung appliances literally randomly catching fire in the news. Those models have all been recalled but it put me right off. Otherwise I might have considered them but steered well clear, and am very happy with the decision a decade later. Went Bosch for the washer and Electrolux for the fridge, had zero issues.
_cs2017_ 1y ago
How long did it take to break? Also, I'm wondering if any other manufacturer would make the crank and the drum from the same material. Wouldn't it be like $100 extra to make a stainless steel spider?
- mh- 1y ago
  > stainless steel spider like in Wild Wild West?
- nappy-doo 1y ago
  I can't recall, but I think it was about 7 years. Some will say that's an acceptable lifetime, but I think I did the math once, and estimated it was only a little less than laundromat pricing (less opportunity cost).
hedora 1y ago
Ours died with a “cannot communicate with board A” error. The wiring harness (yes, an irreplaceable harness) between A and B looked fine. We replaced boards A and B, which were half the price of the machine and not returnable. Same error code. We threw it out and got a Speed Queen. Our Samsung fridge’s manual says it’ll automatically and silently mesh network with any Samsung TVs in range, use AI and hidden cameras to recognize what’s in the fridge and when we use it, then have the TV inject targeted ads into programming based on its findings. We’ll never purchase another Samsung product.

javier2 1y ago

hah, I also keep the samsung tv cut off from internet. It was bad enough they come pre installed with clearly sponsored apps (because they were absolute trash).

nomel 1y ago

I was out when they decided to change their authentication, with only two weeks notice, and (from what I read) incorrect documentation, causing it all to not work with HomeAssistant for a month [1]. [1] https://github.com/home-assistant/core/issues/133623#issuecomment-2593694731 https://github.com/home-assistant/core/issues/133623#issueco...

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lexszero_ 1y ago

For a short while, I worked at one of Samsung subsidiaries on their TV firmware, mostly fixing Linux kernel bugs introduced by the product teams cannibalizing upstream features to serve their needs (including intentionally disabling reasonable kernel security measures that happened to be in their way). I've seen things, both technical and organizational, that led me to pledge never to give my money to that company, or have their devices connected to networks I care about. I don't trust any of it, if not due to evil intent, but just incompetence.

lawlessone 1y ago
i would have thought "better the devil you know" here. The other manufacturers are probably doing similar shenanigans

FloorEgg 1y ago

I bought a Samsung phone back in like 2014, and shortly after bought smartwatch to pair with it. A year later, Samsung released an update that removed the pairing functionality so my smartwatch could no longer pair. They did this in conjunction with releasing their own smartwatch and some proprietary pairing protocol. I'm not a fan of vendor lock in, but their decision to retroactively remove functionality that I was depending on led me to never buy another Samsung product since.

kelnos 1y ago

> They make nice stuff. Do they? I've never owned a Samsung phone, in large part because I was always turned off by reports that they liked to skin Android in annoying/lame ways. I have a Samsung fridge/freezer (old and not-smart), but the in-door ice maker has a design flaw that causes condensation to drip, freeze, and clog it, so we've given up on it and just make our own ice with regular old-school trays in the freezer. I'm not going to say they make crap, but their stuff is... okay, I guess.

SchemaLoad 1y ago
I've had a few Samsung products over the years. The only one I haven't regretted is their SSDs, both internal and external. Those seem to be good. Everything else has been awful.
- distances 1y ago
  I'm also one of those who never buys Samsung. So when it came to a new NVMe, the main options were Samsung and WD, and I kept the track record by going with WD.
ssl-3 1y ago
Samsung once sold a fantastic phone. It had a wonderful camera, a great 432 PPI OLED screen, a battery that could be swapped in seconds with no tools, a headphone jack, an SD card slot, NFC, optional wireless charging, USB 3.0, HDMI output over MHL, an IR emitter for shenanigans, heart rate and blood oxygen saturation sensors, and at 8.1mm thick it was also waterproof. It was hackable, rootable, and it ran aftermarket ROMs like a dream. It was the Galaxy S5, and it was released just over a decade ago. Things have been headed downhill ever since.

kragen 1y ago

If you're buying chips (other than Flash) made with cutting-edge semiconductor processes, your options are only Samsung and TSMC. How long will it take Samsung's foundries to start adding malicious hardware implants to their customers' designs?

csomar 1y ago

They make nice stuff? I’ve stopped buying samsung 10 years ago and even before then not a single device was decent (and I bought phones, screens, home appliances, a TV)

stOneskull 1y ago
i have good memories of my Note 3. samsung was pretty cool back then. i bought some galaxy s 5 years ago for a lot of money, then it got splashed with water and died. stupid waste of money. i've had my current oppo for 3+ years and he's a trooper, and it was about half the price of a similar-spec samsung. samsung is overpriced shit.

somat 1y ago

> not directly connected to the Internet. Hopefully you don't have a neighbor like me. I keep an open wifi channel. So far the only customer has been the neighbors samsung tv phoning home. I felt bad about that and blocked it. But wow are they aggressive trying to get that telemetry out.

winrid 1y ago

Their TVs and phones have terrible PWM and are bad for your eyes anyway.

darepublic 1y ago

I would never buy a roku tv with its built in ads. Unfortunately my partner did that for me. Most people simply don't care about this kind of stuff. If it has the gleam of newness, hell the ads are kind of flashy I don't mind em at all!

Nursie 1y ago

I won't buy Sony TVs any more because of their software, because it started displaying ads on the home-screen. It's Google TV, and I don't mind ads for content on the home screen. I use a bunch of streaming services, I might want to watch whatever's up there, that's not entirely incongruous. Then about a year after purchase we started getting ads for L'Oreal shampoo and other products. Nope. Sony acted confused when I sent a support ticket, and eventually said "Oh, that's because it's Google TV, nothing we can do about it". I replied saying perhaps they had given too much control over their tv experience to a third party. I was able to activate "App Only Mode" to make them go away, but you lose a bunch of the features and have to disable it to get to the play store if you want to install anything else. Pisses me off. I paid a couple of thousand dollars (AUD) for that tv, I shouldn't have advertising shoved in my face.

AlexandrB 1y ago

Samsung makes great components and terrible appliances. Buy a monitor with a Samsung panel or a Samsung SSD and you'll be a happy camper. Buy a Samsung fridge or washing machine and your life will be hell.

SV_BubbleTime 1y ago

>This guarantees I'll never buy a Samsung appliance. I saw someone else’s Samsung TV with ads on the input select menu… That was enough to pre-ban myself from any future Samsung appliance.

SchemaLoad 1y ago
Even when they aren't loaded with ads, Samsung products are built to fail almost immediately. My Samsung vacuum has been a total piece of shit that's falling apart. I will never buy another Samsung product again.

rpcope1 1y ago

Other than probably flash storage, there's never been a Samsung product that's ever been better than just throwing at least the equivalent amount of money in a fire pit and incinerating it. They've never sold an appliance appropriate even as a boat anchor, and I'm amazed at this point that people even consider buying their junk.

HeavyStorm 1y ago

You know, the ad they display on the home annoys me and I've never thought much about it. The prevalence of ads is so much that I think I already expected it there.

noir_lord 1y ago

Same they are off my list as well though I generally have less than zero interest in smart devices, I also have a Samsung "smart" TV as well, it asked for Wifi first time I turned it on, said "nope" connected a HDMI to a Fedora box and just use that. I control what devices in my house connect to the internet.

netsharc 1y ago
I'm going to sell this idea to Samsung and earn me some Wons: > When showing that the user has switched to HDMI input, show the full screen information: "HDMI1, brought to you by _____ [insert advertiser here]. Best experienced with Monster HDMI cables. Gold plated for the digital clarity."
- teddyh 1y ago
  Do not create the Torment Nexus. (<https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/torment-nexus https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/torment-nexus>)
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monkpit 1y ago
> I control what devices in my house connect to the internet. That’s certainly admirable, but haven’t tv manufacturers beeen caught connecting to ANY WiFi they find, if it’s open? Amongst other various dark patterns? Your statement here kind of characterizes it as user error, but the manufacturers are absolutely hostile actors here.
- JoshTriplett 1y ago
  > That’s certainly admirable, but haven’t tv manufacturers beeen caught connecting to ANY WiFi they find, if it’s open? Not yet. Wouldn't be surprising, but most of the time the problem is "person holding the remote wants it to work, connects it to wifi when it offers, doesn't know that they shouldn't".

Fwirt 1y ago

Samsung appliances have among the worst reputations for ease of repair and lifespan. Sadly most other brands are rebrands of Chinese conglomerates or not much better on the quality chain. But honestly it's also a lottery. We bought a fridge on sale for $500 as an emergency stopover when our expensive fridge was delayed by a month during a move, and it's still plugging along out in the garage, a hostile environment for fridges. All the parts are very accessible too which bodes well for repair, although the leveling feet did snap off. However, when you see the viral videos of "dream fridges" from the 1950s, it's important to remember that adjusted for inflation they would be something like $10k today. Of course they also last 10x as long, but you can still find fridges in that price range today with a similar value proposition. The question is whether or not you're willing to pay that upfront. I think we've all been so conditioned to accept that appliances go obsolete that it doesn't seem possible for a fridge like that to ever pay for itself. It's the boots theory at work.

tempest_ 1y ago
The issue is that the 10k fridge is not actually any better. The "luxury" appliances can be double that and are still shit.
- pixl97 1y ago
  Depends if it's luxury or commercial. Commercial products are generally able to be fixed, but there is a quite a price premium on them.
  - xethos 1y ago
    Commercial and consumer dishwashers are only the same in that they're both called "dishwashers" and use water. The former expect little to no food, have cycles measured in minutes, and run at temperatures that would eat more sensitive dishes alive.
    - potato3732842 1y ago
      You were close. A commercial dishwasher will cut right through amounts of food that a normal residential dishwasher wouldn't touch (pre-wash is more for efficiency and to keep crap from piling up in the bottom tray of the dishwasher) and it will actually be ever so slightly less harsh on whatever goes in it (plastics are the problem mostly) because while it washes and rinses way hotter it doesn't have a stupid heating element that runs to dry things. It will also use fucktons more water and more power and make more noise.

toomuchtodo 1y ago

I've bought GE recently with good luck (GSS25IYNFSS, specifically). No affiliation, just someone who buys a lot of appliances that need to last and be simple for longevity (housing provider). My kingdom for someone who could build the old, reliable tanks of yesteryear. https://ncph.org/history-at-work/rethinking-the-refrigerator/ https://ncph.org/history-at-work/rethinking-the-refrigerator... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refrigerator https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refrigerator

TylerE 1y ago
There is no such thing as consumer GE products. They haven't existed for several decades. The name has been licensed to various brands in China, but the only thing actual GE made in it's last several decades (It suffered existence failure in 2024 after a series of spinoffs) is aircraft engines. Anything sold as "GE" is just re-badged somebody else's crap, mostly Haier.
MiddleEndian 1y ago
The dishwasher that came with my condo was GE, and when it stopped draining completely, I found the instruction manual, and it was mostly ads for other GE products. Ironically, I replaced it with a Samsung dishwasher with a clearer instruction manual and easy repair investigations. Of course I am no longer inclined to purchase Samsung products based on this new info. I honestly think that if a company pushes an update that makes its product worse, they should be obligated to refund you 100% of the original purchase price.
grepfru_it 1y ago
Crap crap and more crap. The quality control on GE fridges is absolutely the worst of all worst. It's possible because you are working with the economy of scale that you don't see the typical problems that individuals run into. But I went through 5 in a row and every single one had a problem. Switched to LG and never looked back
- vel0city 1y ago
  LG with their faulty Linear Compressors and craft ice makers that are doomed to fail? The one with the big lawsuit for their faulty fridges? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y54QbkCtFE4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y54QbkCtFE4 I have an LG fridge. I like it. I think the linear compressor tech is cool, even if their implementation is potentially flawed. I don't expect this thing to last a decade.

SilverElfin 1y ago

Their TVs still don’t support all the HDR formats right?

fwip 1y ago
Yeah - they support HDR10 (the most common HDR), HDR10+ (adds per-scene tone-mapping, but is rare to see media for), but not Dolby Vision (which requires paying a license fee to the Dolby folks). I've heard that Netflix has added HDR10+ streams recently, but I haven't verified that myself.
kstrauser 1y ago
That's correct. I can't use it at all with my Apple TV or Playstation 5, because the screen immediately goes dark. I don't know how to describe this exactly, but say that the TV's regular RGB display goes from 1 to 100. I'd expect that HDR would make it go from -50 to 150, or something like that. Instead, on my Samsung, it goes from -50 to 50. No amount of control fiddling can make it get as bright as it does in non-HDR mode. Our cheaper LG works beautifully with the same inputs. The Samsung? Nope. Everything looks like the finale of Game of Thrones, even when you're looking at a soccer game played on a sunny day at noon on the equator.
- TylerE 1y ago
  > I'd expect that HDR would make it go from -50 to 150 That's not how HDR works. It expands the high range exclusively. So more like 0 to 1000 instead of 0 to 100.
  - kstrauser 1y ago
    You're right about how HDR should work. I'm reporting how my Samsung TV does work. It's terrible, and clearly a bug. There are many, many forum posts about "samsung hdr dark", often with random advice about adjusting the gamma, etc., that sounds like it should work but only helps a little bit.
  - Dylan16807 1y ago
    Your approximation isn't really better than theirs. It's true that you can't go below black, but SDR has extremely bad precision below 1 nit. HDR can accurately represent scenes at least 100x darker than SDR, in addition to bright spots at least 100x brighter. https://2.img-dpreview.com/files/p/TS940x940~forums/66687985/bd8c49f436f643f28073c866da0e3834 https://2.img-dpreview.com/files/p/TS940x940~forums/66687985...

leblancfg 1y ago

My Samsung computer monitor is also the stuff of nightmares. Same story: useless "smart" UI features. I'm told I can use it as a dozen different things. But it sucks as a computer monitor. Not cheap either!

pfych 1y ago
My Samsung 4k 240hz OLED monitor has an absolutely gorgeous panel but if I knew I'd need to connect it to the internet and run a PYTHON script to disable some of its "features"[1] I probably would have gotten a similar LG display instead. [^1]: https://pfy.ch/programming/disable-samsung-game-bar.html https://pfy.ch/programming/disable-samsung-game-bar.html
- deltaburnt 1y ago
  Thank you for sharing this holy crap. I have this exact monitor and that popup drives me absolutely insane.
  - pfych 1y ago
    I'm always happy to hear this from people. I get maybe an email a month specifically about this post haha
LogicHound 1y ago
I got their monitors from the "before" they bunged smart into everything. 2 x 4K from 2016/2017. These things refuse to die and the picture is still good. Unfortunately all of my relatives love their phones.
- SoftTalker 1y ago
  I had a Samsung phone a few years ago. It had the usual un-removable crap that Android phones have, but it wasn’t bad otherwise.
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thewebguyd 1y ago

> I have one today, displaying the output of an Apple TV and not directly connected to the Internet That's how I do it as well, and I hate that dumb TVs are getting increasingly more rare. I know the day is coming where any new "Smart" TV will mandate you connect it to the internet to go through some initial setup process or require regular phone homes to function, and I'm not looking forward to it. I don't want my TV to do anything except display whatever I have connected to it. It's job stops there.

maerF0x0 1y ago

At least with Vizio I kinda expected it. I can't imagine paying $3500 only to have it have the "benefit" of ads added after the fact.

0cf8612b2e1e 1y ago

The problem is that we are running out of alternatives. How long until there are no refrigerators, TVs, cars, whatever that will not work without some amount of baked in advertising?

bluGill 1y ago
Depends on what consumers stand for. If enough complain. If enough get bad reviews. If enough get returned. If enough buy something else is the big one. If there are other uses where they can't (some TVs are used a safety message boards in factories - if the ads ever show in this context and someone is hurt there will be a lawsuit - so there will be some demand at any price for something without ads)
- masijo 1y ago
  How are people still buying into the whole "voting with your wallet" crap?
  - bluGill 1y ago
    Most people don't care and so don't vote with their wallet.
    - gxs 1y ago
      Also, people don't realize that sometimes it doesn't even matter Enough people don't care, don't notice, or in the worst case, even when they do, if the companies band together and don't give people a choice, eventually they will cave and thats what i predict will happen here In the future i suspect most people's homes will have ads, except for nerds who will have rooted their devices. and hopefully their moms.
      - ryandrake 1y ago
        A lot of people have gotten so used to their entire lives being saturated in ads that they don't even notice them anymore.

more_corn 1y ago

I’m boycotting all Samsung products permanently.