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Moving PHP open source forward
- alberth 1y agoI have a lot of respect for JetBrains. They are bootstrapped, doing $400M+ revenue, and selling to one of the hardest segments (developers who are notoriously frugal).
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- rs_rs_rs_rs_rs 1y ago>selling to one of the hardest segments (developers who are notoriously frugal). But they don't sell to developers, they sell to suits high in the food chain of a corporation.
- hu3 1y agoI know many developers who buy Jetbrains licenses from their own pockets.
- mgkimsal 1y agoI'm one... I was introduced to JB by someone else who paid out of their own pocket 18 years ago. I thought he was crazy... then a couple years later I tried it in earnest and it was ... life (well career) changing.
- brentroose 1y agoOut of curiosity: do you know why they pay for it themselves instead of asking their company to do so?
- bayindirh 1y agoBecause not all "developers" are developers in their day jobs. I'm personally a sysadmin most of the time, and I do my own R&D (mostly academic, but novel). Some tools I like are not free, and I buy licenses by myself.
- kyriakos 1y agoCause many developers have personal projects they cant use company resources on
- Dennip 1y agoTBH even that can be a hard sell at times
- sesm 1y agoI'm paying for their IDEs out of my pocket since 2012
- shagie 1y agoI bought my first Jetbrains license when they had an end of the world clearance sale. https://blog.jetbrains.com/blog/2012/12/20/jetbrains-end-of-the-world-clearance-sale-24-hours-only/ https://blog.jetbrains.com/blog/2012/12/20/jetbrains-end-of-... ... and haven't let it expire since.
- vjvjvjvjghv 1y agoTotally agree. And so far they haven’t enshittified their products. Prices are ok and licensing terms are ok.
- TiredOfLife 1y agoThey also are the rare example of a company that actually left russia (even more impressive because the company was largely russian) unlike western and eastern companies that published some press releases, but still continue to work and collaborate with russia. Even the "privacy first" Apple continues to remove any app the russian government asks and pays millions in fines.
- dreadnip 1y agoBoth Saif and Markus are excellent choices for sponsorships. Kudos to whoever picked them. It’s a shame Juliette is losing hers, she’s also a really valued member of the PHP community and has been for a long time.
- librasteve 1y agoIt’s great to see JetBrains giving back like this … The Raku language community has put a lot of effort into IntelliJ support, initially the Comma plugin was supported by Edument and then it was passed to the Raku Community where it is actively supported … now renamed Raku IntelliJ Plugin (RIP - geddit?) Tools like the Grammar inspector and debugger fit well in the IntelliJ UI model. https://raku.org/nav/1/tools https://raku.org/nav/1/tools
- sschueller 1y agoThat's nice, but https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45440117 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45440117 (also from today) isn't very nice.
- archerx 1y agoIt was the best of times and it was the worst of times...
- cess11 1y agoThey announced a price hike recently, and now this. I might not feel like renewing my license in a few months, actually.
- mikece 1y agoI keep expecting them to be acquired by someone... with Microsoft being the most logical acquirer so they can go platform independent and shut down Visual Studio (finally).
- hu3 1y agoMicrosoft Rider would be welcome. Visual Studio still would still be kept on mantainance mode for 10 to 20 years because of there's so much critical enterprise infrastructure that depends on it.
- reactordev 1y agoAs more of that migrates to DotNet Core, it’s less and less reliant on Visual Studio (the behemoth).
- shagie 1y agoIt's a bit harder to acquire a profitable company that isn't publicly traded and wasn't VC funded ( Jetbrains founders turn billionaires without VC help (2020) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25466304 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25466304 ).
- zb3 1y agoI'd sooner pay for vscode, it's much faster even though it's an electron app. Good job Microsoft (rare)!
- askonomm 1y agoVSCode has started to aggressively force its AI slop stuff down my throat, which has turned me off from using it. JetBrains, thus far, is much less aggressive with its AI offerings. And while yes, everything can be turned off, just like all the adware and spyware in Microsoft Windows can be turned off, I'm just not interested in using a product whose defaults are _this_ anti-consumer.
- zb3 1y agoCan't really agree since I use.. Gemini Code Assist there (obviously due to its generous free quota). GitHub copilot - at least in my case - needed to be manually configured, so I'm not sure which feature are you referring to.
- askonomm 1y agoI'm referring to NOT wanting AI in my code editor, nor any dialogs, sidebars, popups or ads of any kind for AI offerings.
- nunodonato 1y agoVSCode doesnt even come close to the features PHPStorm provides. It's fine if you prefer it, but the comparison is totally unbalanced.
- Y-bar 1y ago100% in agreement, but then again I often wish I could strip out like 60% of things in PHP Storm such as the database engine, AI stuff, docker integration, VCS client, or code-with-me which I never use and take up valuable interface and resources. I prefer specialised apps such as Sequel Ace, GitHub Desktop, Docker Desktop and such.
- cm-t 1y agoLet's improve "Open source". Not Open-sourcing our product... I'd rather customize vscode with extensions.
- sesm 1y agoTheir core platform and some basic language plugins (Java, Python) are open source.
- Moomoomoo309 1y agohttps://github.com/JetBrains/intellij-community https://github.com/JetBrains/intellij-community Here's the product, open source. There's proprietary stuff on top for Ultimate, but community is right there.
- wiseowise 1y agoAnd here I thought they're finally releasing community edition of PhpStorm.
- hu3 1y ago> Our strategy from now on is to sponsor around five open-source projects and maintainers per year. Each year we’ll select new projects to diversify our support. I like this! Keeps the community engaged. Looking at their list, seems solid. I have high expectations for Mago specially. Currently, PHP static analyzers are good/great. But speed can be an issue in large codebases: 1) Saif Eddin Gmati, who’s building a very promising new linter and static analyzer for PHP in Rust: Mago. 2) Markus Staab, who’s involved in tons of existing open-source projects like PHPStan, Rector, and PHPUnit. 3) Kyrian Obikwelu, who’s actively exploring AI and MCP possibilities in PHP. 4) Sjon Hortensius, who’s responsible for 3v4l.org, an online shell for PHP that’s very popular within the PHP community. +1 spot open