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Larry Ellison on AI-powered surveillance [video] (2024)
- beedeebeedee 1y agoEssence of dystopia
- mulmen 1y agoDon’t anthropomorphize the lawnmower.
- shmerl 1y agoBig Brother will be proud.
- ianbutler 1y agoWell at least he said police will be on their best behavior too, but yeah unequivocally, fuck no and fuck this. I don't trust any government to utilize power like that and I certainly don't trust any singularly powerful person to define "best behavior". I can't even trust my elected representatives to act in my best interest. Even if you have a "good" government, those do not last and AI surveillance serves only to entrench existing power at the expense of freedoms of the general populace at best.
- blooalien 1y agoI want this level of surveillance on our "leaders" and the mega-corporations' "leaders" as they've repeatedly proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that the vast majority of them simply cannot be trusted without extreme oversight. It's like babysitting the absolute brattiest of children (trapped in adult bodies with adult jobs and responsibilities). You gotta watch 'em like a hawk or they will attempt to pull the wool over your eyes to their own gain (and your detriment) at first available opportunity.
- moshegramovsky 1y agoIt really makes me wonder why someone with that much wealth needs to go around making life worse for other people. At this point, it feels like a sickness. It's interesting that the constitution prevents America from having a king, or at least it used to, but maybe the founders didn't think about other kinds of kings. Because we're in a place, or we're getting to a place, where that's exactly what we have.
- pbhjpbhj 1y agoThey generally got their wealth by making life worse for other people - isn't it just more of the same.
- givemeethekeys 1y agoTheir customers are governments. People keep voting for politicians that will happily trade freedom for security.
- t0bia_s 1y agoBecause the danger that they keep us safe from is artificialy made by centralised governance. Divide and conquer.
- k8sToGo 1y agoUsually these people are wealthy because of the type of person they are and not the other way around
- ryandvm 1y agoBingo. You don't get to be a billionaire by being chill, live and let live kind of guy. You take whenever you get the chance.
- wartywhoa23 1y agoVampires have to do with blood only tangentially. It is vital energy in a broad sense that they're after, and stomping on people's freedom and privacy is but another way to suck it out.
- righthand 1y agoThe constitution just enabled “many kings” through commerce rather than answering to a single king. Now the many kings take turns rotating into the leadership roles as they own the representation (the other thing the constitution enables) and snack on other kings. And when one of the favorite many kings fail they have the representatives say “this king is too big to fail, don’t let the small kings eat him, prop him up with money from the masses”.
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- crawfordcomeaux 1y agoTo follow on: If your hatred for this doesn't lead you to commit your skills to building systems of liberation, you're likely part of the tech soldier caste and not yet the liberatory praxis movement.
- Simulacra 1y agoYeah, no. In fact hell no.
- gxs 1y agoIt somehow feels like everything that was ever done to keep this type of stuff out of this country has unraveled in the past 10 years Like they’ve been chipping away at a stonewall for decades and they’ve finally blasted through the wall
- blondie9x 1y agoThanks technology.
- wartywhoa23 1y agoDidn't need a blast, only a slight knock on the world's fear of dying from a flu in 2020-2021.
- salawat 1y agoMore like the death of the last generations to actually be alive to witness rampant authoritarianism.
- wartywhoa23 1y agoThis too, no doubt!
- CharlesW 1y agoIn article form: “Larry Ellison predicts rise of the modern surveillance state where ‘citizens will be on their best behavior’” https://fortune.com/2024/09/17/oracle-larry-ellison-surveillance-state-police-ai/ https://fortune.com/2024/09/17/oracle-larry-ellison-surveill...
- arghandugh 1y agoOne behavior you can “watch” that doesn’t require AI is 81 year old Larry Ellison colluding with pedophiles. https://www.wired.com/story/larry-ellison-is-a-shadow-president-in-donald-trumps-america/ https://www.wired.com/story/larry-ellison-is-a-shadow-presid...
- jasonsb 1y agoAre we really just copying China now, while pretending that our system is superior and that we hold the moral high ground?
- platinumrad 1y agoWe seem to be speedrunning the copying of some of its worst parts. Don't expect to get any of the high-speed rail or abundant housing though.
- aaomidi 1y agoI don’t think china actually has this level of surveillance state anymore. The social credit system has, from my shallow understanding, been effectively removed in a bunch of the cities it was setup in.
- BLanen 1y agoAmerica doing American things: "Are we freakin' Asians?"
- yfw 1y agoWhos watching him?
- puppycodes 1y agoThe rich don't get watched. This is strictly for the poor. As usual.
- lifestyleguru 1y agoThese old people will torch the world before passing away. Decades away their goal horizon was maybe 10-15 years, now they are moving faster as their time is more limited with goal horizon rather 3-5 years.
- daveguy 1y agoIt's not age that's the distinguishing characteristic.
- makk 1y agoBe on their best behavior according to whom? Else what? When will these geezers age out?
- suriya-ganesh 1y agoI'm annoyed by Ellison saying this as well. But what is new that made this blow up? I vaguely remember seeing this video last year.
- omnimus 1y agoSome things should be repeated. For example i've never seen it.
- hagbard_c 1y agoEllison is involved in the TikTok deal through Oracle which is supposed to host the US version of that abomination of a platform so there is some relevance to his stance on these issues.
- WickyNilliams 1y agoI assume because digital ID is being proposed in the UK, which Ellison mentions here and has been Blair's pet project since he was in power Edit: also tiktok
- lukev 1y agoHow about we monitor all internal business communications of publicly traded companies and audit for business irregularities there? It is estimated that white collar crime causes far more economic damage than any other type.
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- daveguy 1y agoHoly false equivalence, batman. The oligarchs suck. Public health does not.
- wartywhoa23 1y agoThey just found the right excuse, Robin.
- daveguy 1y agoExcept they didn't, Rando.
- wartywhoa23 1y agoBeing critical on oligarchs is a good start, just don't get stuck there, keep joining the dots.
- daveguy 1y agoI'll start with the most obvious, and not take advice from internet randos. But thanks for patronizing!
- wartywhoa23 1y agoYou're welcome, mate)
- isaacremuant 1y agoIf you think it was public health you didn't pay attention at the suppression of dissent, how different places that didn't do parts of the insane theater didn't have particular problems, how numbers were inflated or deflated depending on the whims of each government. If you really looked at different places and travelled during, when it was supposed to be "impossible", you got to see reality. If you paid attention at how the TV and important people were essential and politicians didn't abide by the bullshit they were selling. Come on man, wake the fuck up, at this stage. It was indefensible. No, I didn't kill grandma. Yes, you got manipulated. Own it.
- puppycodes 1y agoDisgusting... Perhaps the only positive that might come from this type of thinking is an eventual revolt that will crush characters like ellison and provide strong real laws that protect us from this garbage in the future. There is a point when even money can't save you.
- kylecazar 1y agoNew York City has had it's real-time mass surveillance Domain Awareness System in place for years (courtesy of MSFT)... and the crime still happens. What exactly would you expect this to accomplish that's worth the sacrifice to privacy?
- jauntywundrkind 1y ago> "Citizens will be on their best behavior because we're watching" Right now, I'm tentatively less concerned about them watching us. They haven't militarized the state this way yet & we'd need to slide a lot more for the boot stomping the face of mankind to get away with such total cooption of technology against thought-rights. Even if it is merely total corporate (not governmental) coersion/corruption against the population, I'm still not afraid of this bluster & abuse being gestured at the citizenry. What does scare me is communication moving the other direction, not the bottom being read by the top but from the top being broadcast down. This scares me very very much. Because Ellison's already control: CBS, Paramount, Tik-Tok And might control: WB, Discovery (including HBO, CNN). Larry's threat against democracy & the sanctity of human thought is serious stuff & perhaps things might escalate to where this becomes a real hazard. But the hazard today is that the Powell Memorandum (1971) is way underway and that the explicit plan all along has been for wealthy interests to use a political party as a vehicle to takeover and control the information that people get, to shape the media digest as the ultra-wealthy please. The Internet has thrown somewhat of a wrench into this plan. But when more solid targets like Media Matters begin to form, it feels like the lawsuit-o-rama, of for example Musk filing existentially thermonuclear lawsuits in the US, Singapore, and Ireland, in an attempt to brutally over-the-top nuke the site from orbit (for daring to show the world the insane antisemitic and conspiracy nonsense he personally advocated engaged with and promoted, as well as for showing Nazi and very closely related content next to paid advertisements). Not just Felony Contempt of Business Model, Capital Contempt for showing what we did. (Of course there's like none of the loud free speech advocates around, duly angry about this one.) I am super afraid of Ellison's relationship with society, of what his incredible force of wealth gets bent to. But right now AI is far down my list, versus what's already here now, what the wealthy do to suppress other views, and when they deny the world their own chance to speak the truth & strive towards a just equitable & good planet. Ellison's media empire will one way or another be a first line player for decades. Overall Ellison's media companies seem not so far so pernicious, but it's so hard to guess whether lack of media coverage for large protests going unreported for example is reasoned choice or whether it is active suppression; it feels like already what doesn't get covered and who doesn't get airtime leaves the cutout shape of a hopeful progressive agenda behind. Whether you agree with me politically or not, i sure hope we can agree that having very few people in charge of the media is a bad end. And imo it's more than a clear and present danger to our democracy, it's already deeply deeply underway.
- Animats 1y agoThis is way behind where HikVision is now. - School attendance and parent pickup coordination. With a combination of face recognition, transit-station like gates, and license plate readers, parent pickup of kids is enforced.[1] Because they're watching. - Campus-wide monitoring.[2] "Detects abnormal behavior ... such as people gathering" - Detect climbing on fence [3] Those are just samples. They offer everything from parking lot gates to millimeter microwave weapon detection. And with the newer control systems, it's all integrated into one comprehensive Big Brother system. "See clearer. Go further." [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULsEFDwVKIs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULsEFDwVKIs [2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sthBo4kYVY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sthBo4kYVY [3] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nbch_TQEA0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nbch_TQEA0
- amanzi 1y agoTo say this is dystopian, is an understatement.
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- ChrisArchitect 1y ago(2024) Thanks OP. Some previous discussions among fifteen others: Omnipresent AI cameras will ensure good behavior, says Larry Ellison https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41562750 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41562750 Larry Ellison: vast AI surveillance can ensure citizens are on best behavior https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42825097 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42825097
- johneth 1y agoLuckily Larry Ellison is 81, so he's got a limited window in which to do too much damage.
- Whatarethese 1y agoOh I'm sure his son will pick up the torch and keep moving forward with it.
- RickJWagner 1y agoThey’d be watching the wrong thing. I can’t believe I’m saying this, but I think what needs to be monitored is anonymous communications in social media, gaming chats, and similar locations. People are committing horrible, unprecedented acts of violence with political undertones. They are being goaded and encouraged by hoards of anonymous entities that may or may not be real humans. The backers may or may not be citizens of the affected locality. I’m in favor of free speech, but it should not apply to bot armies or subversives. Ironically, I won’t be surprised if this post is downvoted.