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Learn Your Way: Reimagining Textbooks with Generative AI

359 points by FromTheArchives 1y ago

lagniappe 1y ago
Looking forward to my copy of "A Young Lady's Illustrated Primer" a la Diamond Age
- outsideoftime 1y ago
  funny, that author knew back then what the world is like today? nanotech and nanobots everywhere?
- exe34 1y ago
  I was thinking about that when I bought my pinenote - imagine Tom Riddle's diary helping you with mathematics. Sadly I lost interest in the Linux side of the pinenote as it took a while to get to a working state and now I've got other things going on.
  - TimorousBestie 1y ago
    > imagine Tom Riddle's diary helping you with mathematics. Your tone suggests that this wouldn’t be horrifying so I wonder what you meant by this.
    - exe34 1y ago
      Simply that it writes back and helps you along. hints might fade in after ten seconds of you staring at the problem. I was referring to the visual experience, not the dark lord possessing people.
Animats 1y ago
How much of this is cutesy animations and how much is really valuable?
- devmor 1y ago
  This feels at first glance like another instance of an AI tool doing something humans already enjoy doing, rather than replacing work we'd like to avoid. The teachers and professor I've known have always loved adapting their lessons to suit the interests of their students - I think that's a core educational instruction skill. I'm open to hearing disagreements, but reading through the usages and evaluations does not leave me thinking of a tool that would provide any benefit greater than just giving teachers more resources would.
  - skydhash 1y ago
    Also some stuff are just hard to learn. They require a good (even deep) familiarity with some foundational knowledge and it will be a slow process to go through those.
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ZYbCRq22HbJ2y7 1y ago
https://learnyourway.withgoogle.com/ https://learnyourway.withgoogle.com/ Link to an example: https://learnyourway.withgoogle.com/scopes/AOcKkhsL/slides-narration https://learnyourway.withgoogle.com/scopes/AOcKkhsL/slides-n...
- quantumHazer 1y ago
  Upload your pdf so we can gather more training data but you’re providing it!
anonfunction 1y ago
Shameless plug but I made a similar tool called asXiv[1] which allows you to "ask" arXiv.org papers questions. It also recommends questions on initial load that can help understand or explore the paper, here's a demo[2] from the popular Attention Is All You Need paper. The code is all opensource[3], it uses the google 2.5 flash lite model to keep costs down (it's completely free atm), but that can be changed via env var if you run it locally. 1. https://asxiv.org https://asxiv.org 2. https://asxiv.org/pdf/1706.03762 https://asxiv.org/pdf/1706.03762 3. https://github.com/montanaflynn/asxiv https://github.com/montanaflynn/asxiv
- sieep 1y ago
  Seems legit, I'll have to try later. Just curious, why didn't you make this a commercial SaaS?
  - dingnuts 1y ago
    maybe because every LLM provider has an "attach file" feature so you can attach a paper and then ask questions about it? what's the value add of the wrapper that this person wrote at all?
    - ohyoutravel 1y ago
      Right. I do this all the time with Gemini. Add a pdf or a link and ask it whatever I want. It will even turn it into a podcast with two people discussing the entire paper that I can listen to on the tram to work.
    - anonfunction 1y ago
      I built it because it was tiresome to save the pdf, open a new window, add it and give a prompt. Simply replacing the domain arxiv.org with asxiv.org does all that for me now. Also it links to pages in it's answers and scrolls the pdf to it on click, allowing to view the pdf side by side with the chat.
- rshanreddy 1y ago
  whoa this is fantastic. wish I had known about this earlier! just made a similar product for reading arXiv / epub / pdfs called Ruminate (www.tryruminate.com), would love to hear what you think
stogot 1y ago
Doesn’t work on mobile when you click into one of the examples. It says it is best for wide layouts
mclau157 1y ago
Google Veo 3 could also do a lot to spark interest by making 3D environments of Rome or Medieval Europe
cadr 1y ago
I feel like this is thinking too small. I don’t want a better textbook. I want them to be basing this off of the experience of going to the most effective private tutors.
- xnx 1y ago
  > I want them to be basing this off of the experience of going to the most effective private tutors. Good goal, but they've got to start somewhere. Delivering an education experience even 80% as effective as the best private tutors would be a huge achievement.
- yorwba 1y ago
  The textbook is there so that the model has something reasonably correct to work with and doesn't make up too much wrong stuff to teach. For tutoring, I think the approach in https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-025-97652-6 https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-025-97652-6 is promising. (Prompts are included in the supplementary material on the last page: https://static-content.springer.com/esm/art%3A10.1038%2Fs41598-025-97652-6/MediaObjects/41598_2025_97652_MOESM1_ESM.docx https://static-content.springer.com/esm/art%3A10.1038%2Fs415... ) They start with an existing collection of worked exercises, give the chatbot access to the full solution and then let students interact with it to get a walkthrough or just check their own solution, depending on how much help the student thinks they need.
doctorpangloss 1y ago
All the people at the forefront of AI really loved and thrived in highly academic settings from kindergarden to PhDs, their own lived experience doesn't match up with this product at all. Why are they making it? EdTech has the worst returns of any industry in venture capital. Why? There are no teachers who say that technology has generally improved experiences in classrooms, even if some specific technology-driven experiences like Khan Academy and Scratch are universally liked. Why? When you look at Scratch, which I know a lot about, one thing they never do is allege that it improves test scores. They never, ever evaluate it quantitatively like that. And yet it is beloved. Khan Academy: it is falling into the same trap as e.g. the Snoo. If you don't know what I'm talking about, it's about, who pays? Who is the customer? Khan Academy did a study that showed a thing. Kids are not choosing to watch educational YouTube videos because of a study. It is cozy learning. But why does Khan Academy need studies for a test score thing? Why does Google? This is the problem with Ed Tech: the only model is to sell to districts, and when you sell to districts, you are doing Enterprise Sales. You can sometimes give them a thing that does something, but you are always giving them exactly what they ask for. Do you see the difference? It doesn't matter if it's technology or if it is X or Y or Z: if the district asks for something that makes sense, great, and if it asks for something that doesn't make sense, or doesn't readily have the expertise to know what does and doesn't make sense, like with technology, tough cookie. Google will make something that doesn't make sense, if it feels that districts will adopt it. We can go and try the merits of Learn Your Way, thankfully they provide a demo. All I'll say is, people have been saying, "more reading" is the answer, and there is a lot of fucking reading in this experience, but maybe the problem isn't that there isn't enough text to read. The problem is that kids do not want to read, so...
- ares623 1y ago
  You know what really motivates studying though? The promise of being completely useless when you finish studying since everything will be done by AI! What a motivator!
  - doctorpangloss 1y ago
    It's tough because the problems in education are so vast. Not that I'm saying you're wrong, but: everyone wants a stylistic answer to the question, "What is the problem with education?" Sometimes the style of that answer is malaise (you). Sometimes it is, some racist drivel. Which is pretty common on this forum, unfortunately. Everywhere you look in education there are problems. There isn't going to be some stylized answer. These Google guys - and a lot of other people who write comments online - go and promote something they think is a world view or theory, and is really just a bunch of stereotypes and projections of their own college-aged vengances. VC likes these kind of people! These Google guys fit that mold. I can agree with the broad strokes of techno-utopia, but that also means you need space to say that your app is bad, your art is ugly, and your text is long and boring. These Google guys do not have space for criticism. They are Enterprise Sales. If the district asks for tasteless Corporate Memphis art, that's the art they're going to get - I'm going to focus on the art because I know something about art, and the text that appeared in the demo was so horrifically boring that I didn't read it. Have you opened a children's book? None of it looks like fucking Corporate Memphis! One thing I am certain of is that these Google guys do have taste, they are smart people. Their problem is Enterprise Sales. Don't get me wrong. If you are narrowly focused on giving people what they want, your creative product will fail.
cjs_ac 1y ago
I'm a former physics teacher, and while I'm impressed by the technology, I think this is a low efficacy innovation. The real challenge in teaching Newton's laws of motion to teenagers is that they struggle to deal with the idea that friction isn't always there. When students enter the classroom, they arrive with an understanding of motion that they've intuited from watching things move all their lives, and that understanding is the theory of impetus: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory_of_impetus https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory_of_impetus An AI system that can interrogate individual students' understanding of the ideas presented and pose questions that challenge the theory of impetus would be really useful, because 'unteaching' impetus theory to thirty students at once is extremely difficult. However, what Google has presented here, with slides and multiple guess quizzes, is just a variation on the 'chalk and talk' theme. The final straw that made me leave teaching was the head of languages telling me that a good teacher can teach any subject. Discussions about 'the best pedagogy' never make any consideration of what is being taught; there's an implicit assumption that every idea and subject should be taught the same way. School systems have improved markedly since they were introduced in the nineteenth century, but I think we've got everything we can out of the subject-agnostic approach to improvement, and we need to start engaging with the detail of what's being taught to further improve.
- 0xWTF 1y ago
  My general experience with things like this from Google is to assume that this is at least one big step behind what they're doing now internally. Taking a position on how useful one finds this today effectively insulates from thinking more seriously about what could be done. If taken from a perspective of "what hints are laying around in this blog post or scientific articles about what's possible?" it's probably more effective use of time if you're going to invest time in reading it. As an example, as you're reading it, try posing a few relevant counterfactuals.
  - Workaccount2 1y ago
    >My general experience with things like this from Google is to assume that this is at least one big step behind what they're doing now internally What they are doing internally after launching something like this is patting themselves on the back, updating their resumes, and promptly forgetting it exists.
spwa4 1y ago
I wish instead Google would instead find a good way to have exercise books, with: 1) well-thought out exercises (covering all cases, whether in math or Spanish) 2) CORRECT solutions (just saying because even ChatGPT gets it wrong even for high school math) 3) that you can enter them using pen (if need be on an iPad) Just a way to make zillions of exercises if I want to. And for my kids, the problem is these days teachers won't (AND mostly can't, they just don't know their subject) help them make a lot of exercises.
- skydhash 1y ago
  Lot of exercises does not really help. What is valuable is feedback, not the chore itself. You either need someone more knowledgeable guiding you, or rely on insights.
  - spwa4 1y ago
    That's true. When it catches mistakes, preferably immediately, it should give useful feedback.
- jozika 1y ago
  have you tried out lytris.com for math?
Imnimo 1y ago
I looked at the example for computer science basics for a 7th grader interested in food. Explanations include: "a list can be used for a recipe" "a set can be used to list all the unique ingredients you need to buy for a week's meals" "a map can be used for a cookbook" "a priority queue can be used to manage orders in a busy restaurant kitchen" "a food-pairing graph can show which ingredients taste good together" Maybe I'm over-estimating the taste of 7th graders, but I feel like I would get sick of this really quickly.
- apwell23 1y ago
  yea this is stupid . agreed. I don't know when these dorks will understand that education isn't a technical problem. Its a social and emotional problem. existing material is clear enough to learn from.
  - Mtinie 1y ago
    It’s both. Technology is a component (I’d we wouldn’t have books, recorded videos, multimedia aids, etc.).
    - mattlutze 1y ago
      Technology is a tool to expand the possible ways to educate, but isn't necessary for education to happen. i.e. we've been educating people for 1,000s of years even without textbooks. Education itself isn't primarily a technology problem. Treating it as such is an administrative failure, as is pursuing a technological solution in many scenarios that are first social in nature.
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      - squigz 1y ago
        > i.e. we've been educating people for 1,000s of years even without textbooks. By using the tools available at the time we did, certainly. That involves physical tools like writing, but also non-physical tools like better ways of conveying and disseminating information, better ways of testing the efficacy of various approaches, etc, etc. Education has to evolve, as it always has. While I'm not sure TFA is it, I do think LLMs will have a role to play in making learning more accessible and enjoyable for everyone, not just kids.
yorwba 1y ago
Figure 10 of the technical report https://services.google.com/fh/files/misc/ai_augmented_textbook.pdf https://services.google.com/fh/files/misc/ai_augmented_textb... has a third n=30 group labeled "LCG" that is mentioned nowhere else. It scores 100% on "I felt like today's educational tool helped me gain a good understanding of the content." so I wonder what's up with that.
oceanhaiyang 1y ago
No one who understands ai can rely on it to help us learn. I provided one with 100 citations I wanted to standardize and it deleted 10 and made up 10 to replace them. Can’t imagine this being used to replace a textbook or even explain a textbook.
- criddell 1y ago
  > explain a textbook I've had very good luck using LLMs to do this. I paste the part of the book that I don't understand and ask questions about it.
  - bigfishrunning 1y ago
    But the problem is, you don't understand the passage, so therefore how will you vet the answers? Seems like hallucinations would be very very damaging in this use-case
    - 0xEF 1y ago
      I was in the middle of typing the same question. This is the part that worries me about Generative AI; far too many people seem to have forgotten that its prone to confabulation and telling the user what they want to hear.
      - criddell 1y ago
        Sure, but if the LLM tells you the jump from step 2 to 3 in a calculus problem is the use of l'hopital's rule, you should be able to figure out pretty quickly if it's a red herring or not.
    - lacy_tinpot 1y ago
      If you can't discern what good answers look like to the questions you're asking, you're not asking the right kind of questions. Asking the right kind of questions is a genuine skill. It applies to every domain of life where you are at the mercy of a "professional" or at the mercy of some knowledge differential. So you need to be a good judge of whether the answers you're getting are good answers or bad answers.
clusterhacks 1y ago
Isn't this just showing the effects of actively engaging the learner by placing a topic in contexts familiar/favored by learner versus just reading about a topic? Like, if you had made the text pdf readers do some manual thinking by working on trying to place the topic into the same type of familiar/favored context, wouldn't that have been the better comparison? I think using GenAI for learning is cool and exciting (especially for autodidacts) but I'm not excited by this particular study structure.
- non_aligned 1y ago
  > I think using GenAI for learning is cool and exciting (especially for autodidacts) I don't know. I've been trying, but I think there are two fundamental issues. First, I don't think it's all that useful for "out-of-order" learning and for explaining concepts in non-conventional ways. To give you a practical example, there's a certain order in which we teach math, and every subsequent step builds on the previous one. But quite often, this order is just a matter of convention, not necessity. You can explain a ton of higher-math concepts in terms of high-school algebra and geometry, it's just not something we do because we don't intend to teach high-schoolers any of that, and for undergrads, it's more expedient to lean on their knowledge of calculus / mathematical analysis than to start by drawing triangles. And not once have I succeeded in convincing an LLM to circumvent that. If a topic is explained using mathematical analysis in college textbooks, this is how it will always answer. Which actually sucks for that curious high-schooler. But second, LLMs just aren't nearly as dependable as textbooks. It's not even the base error rate - I think they're 90%+ accurate on most run-of-the-mill scientific questions - but that once they make a confidently-sounding mistake and you try to drill down, they keep digging that hole and sending you more and more off track. It's amusing if you know the domain and can spot mistakes. It's a huge waste of time when trying to learn a new field. It's precisely why vibe-coding is more useful to experienced developers who can immediately reject bad results.
  - clusterhacks 1y ago
    "Out-of-order" and non-conventional explanations are interesting to consider. For both, I would expect LLMs to do poorly when there isn't much (or any) material for those approaches in the training data. My intuition would be the learner is going to have to be more exploratory via prompt engineering and still struggle against the tendency of the model to lean into classic or conventional explanations. I don't particularly expect models to be dependable in responses, but I see how that presents a much larger problem in a learning context. I'm ok with bad responses that I can fight back against, but I also wouldn't reach for an LLM for a new field by default either. For me, I do like using an LLM as a supplemental learning aid along with other traditional resources. I haven't tackled a deeper, new-to-me field yet with one. Maybe it's time for that . . .
mossTechnician 1y ago
I wonder how this will contribute to our current declining literacy rates in a social climate that's already rife with anti-intellectualism and isolation. Even if this worked well, it appears to be to be a step backwards. Call me pessimistic, but this technology looks more poised to replace teachers in schools than supplement them.
- janalsncm 1y ago
  In that case the problem isn’t what technology we do or do not introduce. A society that values literacy isn’t going to be duped by a demo and a blog post. However a society which does not value understanding, expertise, or teachers will take every opportunity to shortcut them.
  - aDyslecticCrow 1y ago
    Going by the atrocious salary expectation for teaching (which i firmly place as one of, if not the most, fundamentally important jobs in modern society) i think we've already established where we land on this. And note how i didn't mention a country; i think this is a widespread issue beyond country borders currently.
    - janalsncm 1y ago
      My only other frame of reference is China where being a teacher is a very respectable and competitive job with good wages. (Software engineering is way less prestigious interestingly.) They even have a national holiday for teachers. So it would be essentially unthinkable for a tech company to drop a demo that threatens teachers.
      - aDyslecticCrow 1y ago
        > teacher is a very respectable and competitive job with good wages My frame of reference is europe and America. I suspect more of asia than just china mirrors that respect, as education feels nearly unhealthily emphasised. The so called advanced world that prosper on innovation, design and R&D is skimpimg on the very thing that is supposed to be our advantage. Its frustrating.
alexb_ 1y ago
The point of the rigidity and uniformity of school is not that it is the best way to get everyone to understand everything if they try. The point is that it forces all the kids to try. School is not just for the most interested, it is for everyone. No AI you ever create will get a kid to choose learning how math works over doing basically anything else with their time. The point of school is not to teach, it is to discipline children to participate in education. Otherwise, why have it at all? Kids can find extensive information and guides for basically any topic they want on the internet right now. The entire "AI education" thing misses this.
outsideoftime 1y ago
what about just making textbooks with random info that is useful, i.e. no textbooks only on biology. just add random pages on all topics that people should know
nxobject 1y ago
Well, if shoehorning interests in works for youth pastors...
jumploops 1y ago
I’m not sure this approach is the right one, but the problem resonates with me. I vividly remember hitting some blocker (7th grade chem, 4th grade reading, 2nd grade dinosaurs), where I had a question that the teacher dismissed. My mind was stuck (blocked) as it couldn’t get past the question I had, and in a public school setting, it wasn’t worth the time for the teacher to dive down the tangent (or they simply weren’t prepared). My hope for LLMs in education, is that they can supplement traditional curriculums such that students can go “off the rails” while still being nudged back to the desired outcome. - How do we know electrons “spin”? - Why does that word behave differently than others (in English)? - How big is a sauropod compared to a blue whale? I’ve found that on my own journey through education, it’s these sparks of interest that drive towards deeper understanding, rather than surface level rote memorization. TFA says: “What if students had the power to shape their own learning journey?” In the context of nonfiction/textbooks, this is already possible! I didn’t read “How to read a book”[0] until high school, but it opened the world for me on another silly blocker I had, which is that material should be consumed start to finish. Hopefully with “AI” more students will learn that there are many paths towards understanding the world, and not just the curriculum in front of them. [0]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/How_to_Read_a_Book https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/How_to_Read_a_Book
- jumploops 1y ago
  Another anecdote: In university, I ended up taking Circuits 1&2 before Calc 4 (diff. eqs). This was fantastic, because everything I learned about Laplace, Fourier, etc. had an immediate connection to another area of interest, which made the class much more engaging.
  - kalinkochnev 1y ago
    This is an underrated strategy
- bofis 1y ago
  That book was great on the second read-through.
ardit33 1y ago
Seems very similar when Microsoft invested in Apple back in the day when Apple was about to die. Their concern was that they would be the only one OS company standing and be defacto a monopoly and regulated such. So, it was a away to keep your 'weak' competition alive just enough not to make you the sole provider. Steve Jobs was able to turn around Apple in such a fashion that they become even bigger by letting go of the PC market and going mobile.
j45 1y ago
If anyone can take on textbook companies, large companies can.
ath3nd 1y ago
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nextworddev 1y ago
Ah yet another project done to fill out promo doc
picardo 1y ago
I'm excited by this multi-media approach. I've been avid self-learner for years, and I've often found the textbook format too dry, and forbidding, but ever since I started using NotebookLM, I'm diving into textbooks more and more. There is genuine value in creating a new format that meets learners where they are at.
truelson 1y ago
This is one of the areas where LLMs are really useful. At their core they aren’t “thinking” so much as transforming and reorienting data. What’s been most valuable for me is the way they create a kind of imperfect but effective Socratic dialogue with whatever I’m reading. I was the kid who always had my hand up in class, not to show off, but because I hated leaving something unexplained. Good teachers could make a text come alive by answering those questions. LLMs give me some of that back outside the classroom. Even when I ask them to speculate, the process forces me to interrogate the material and refine my own model of it. That’s changed how I read, learn, and even how I experience novels. So innovation on this “Socratic interface” and other interfaces is pointed in the right direction.
- truelson 1y ago
  As a side note, I'm going through all the Le Carré novels... it is a lovely experience to be able to ask an LLM more questions about 1960s British culture, West German Cold War politics, and Le Carré's background as a diplomat/spy. A lovely way to engage with novels. Also, Smiley is getting up their in fictional characters I admire. Not Iroh level, but up there.
zhyder 1y ago
Plug for our https://uphop.ai/app https://uphop.ai/app : it's for adult learning / corporate training. We break down a desired job skill into small chunks, and engage the user with practice & give nuanced feedback. And of course like chatbots make it easy for user to ask more questions or go on tangents. Would appreciate feedback! There's a bit of overlap with Learn Your Way I guess. I'm not sure users need to toggle between alternate formats of the same instruction though. Instead the instruction itself should be as multi-modal as possible, and offer flexibility to ask questions... which even gemini.google.com offers so I'm not sure this is a net improvement over that.
mmmllm 1y ago
If Google didn't publish this it would come nowhere near the homepage of HN. Not exactly groundbreaking.
einpoklum 1y ago
1. Much of this suggestion has nothing to do with AI. Offering learners alternative forms of media for a subject is interesting and probably useful, regardless. 2. About the AI part: Let's remember that at the other end of these bells and whistles there is a huge amount of expended electricity, and sprawling sever farm infrastructure. That's the hidden cost. For now, it might seem like someone else is footing the bill, but that will not last for very long - and in fact, it already starting not to last. See: https://www.newsweek.com/ai-data-centers-why-electric-bill-so-high-2109965 https://www.newsweek.com/ai-data-centers-why-electric-bill-s... A typical US household is paying a 26 USD "AI tax" this year through its electricity bill.
eranation 1y ago
I love learning new things, Khan academy got me all the way through college, and I use ChatGPT / Claude to help me study papers regularly. I got frustrated really fast. Here is an example: https://learnyourway.withgoogle.com/scopes/1KNlGW5E/immersive-text/0 https://learnyourway.withgoogle.com/scopes/1KNlGW5E/immersiv... It starts with just this sentence, followed by a quiz on that sentence: > When we are born, we inherit our genetic makeup and biological features. However, our identity as human beings develops through interactions with others in society. Many experts in both psychology and sociology have described the process of self-development as a key step to understanding how that "self" learns to function within society. Followed by the quiz: > Question 1: Based on the provided text, what is a key difference in focus between psychology and sociology regarding self-development? A) Sociology is concerned with inherited traits, whereas psychology is concerned with societal norms. B) Psychology studies societal functions, while sociology studies individual identity. C) Psychology focuses on genetic makeup, while sociology focuses on social interactions. D) Both fields exclusively study the biological features inherited at birth. I thought D makes the most sense, as nothing in the immediate text provides a more granular answers. But it's not D. It made me question my intelligence, maybe I misread the sentence, maybe I needed to read something else? Oh there is a button for the entire PDF, but then isn't the purpose of it to break down the PDF into chunks and ask me questions on what I'm reading? I'm sure this is a fixable bug, but I was looking for the "provide feedback" button, there is none. This would be very frustrating to a student.
- Vrondi 1y ago
  It isn't you. None of those answers are correct. Sociology studies societies and cultures; collective behaviors at different scales within different niches, etc. It's an LLM hallucinating again.
- richardubright 1y ago
  Ignoring that, NONE of those answers are correct. It wants "C) Psychology focuses on genetic makeup, while sociology focuses on social interactions.", but that's not a true statement. Psychology is absolutely not focused on genetic makeup.
- vkou 1y ago
sonicvroom 1y ago
> The personalization pipeline All of this hurts. GenAI cannot replace people grounded in reality. Especially not teachers and mentors. The effects will be nauseating to anyone who cherishes the development of human beings and minds in general. Teaching and mentoring is a two-sided thing. The mentor, if adequately tutored or capable himself, learns more than the student. I understand that this is something "we" hope to achieve for AI but it's so insanely dumb to do it this early, it almost makes me angry. Almost. These people are just doing their jobs. So, as usual, I'm calling their bosses dumb fucking pathetic shitheads of idiot trash who fucking cost our kind sooooooo much fucking potential it almost makes me angry. Sorry, gotta keep the anger at "almost", max. Can't be angry at lack of levels of consciousness or awareness. It's beyond genetic, a decision of "culture" and conformity; back to topic: Teaching is one of those mythical edges that hone themselves. And I don't mean just the skill, I mean the entire category, the concept, the inter-generational action that happens on absolutely all levels. GenAI in education, applied anything below "correctly" on the scale of civilization, in any interval/integral, is taking XP points off a higher dimension that is exclusive to us in the kingdom of animals. Don't fuck this up. Don't listen to your bosses. Quit. Found your own companies. I can't put it in words, yet. I don't have the peace of mind. But it's too damn important not to mention it. Every dimwit with access to drugs and hookers can make fuck-you money. For himself and others. FUCK THAT.
- j45 1y ago
  Personalized learning pre-LLMs has been a lot of hand waving and not really supporting instructors or instructional evolution.
  - sonicvroom 1y ago
    it's brutal!!!! we could blame universities... but nobody forced their hand and they adapted to lower standards because ... [no peace of mind to take the time, ok, economists x'] ... I can supply a personal narrative, though: ( I have to exclude the conspiratorial part ) I move back home when my little sister had issues in 8th grade. it was coincidental. I started tutoring her. (background: After I turned 13, every spring, summer and fall, I WORKED at a Gaertnerei aka garden center until I finished my Abitur with a C) She made progress. ( she's a bad example because someone fucked with her thyriod right when she started to make progress ( it's Germany, they are D.U.M.B with eugenics, they outsourced it to The USA because they are bad losers but whatever )) She made progress. What did I learn? A LOT. Zero hand waving. In retro, I learned the MINIMUM ( I, do you understand who I felt like back then and NOW ? ) ( for clarity, I THINK I know where your comment comes from ) ... HOW can they fail to teach this to youngsters in University? Wait ... I get it. The system works well to reach it's objective, but CAN it be aware of what lies ahead? No way. I was 15, or 16, now 37, when I was planting some dumb trees in some dumb pot, when I realized, in my ADHD obliviousness, that neither my boss, nor his son, my age, my then colleague, knew how things would turn out. Working class, programmed* to be this way, ok. Fast forward: my classmates, the Jahrgang before and after, all teachers for more or less ten years now. ... ... ... None founded their own school, despite abilities to get the finances, ... ... ... all abiding to the standard curriculum ... ... ... none of them being a Studienrat ( some higher regional rank ) ... ... all feeling very cool cuz they make 5k a month (if) ... ... ... ... ... .PERIOD, moving on: THEY wouldn't think of > supporting instructors or instructional evolution. HOW THE FUCK WOULD/COULD COMPUTER SCIENTISTS, OR ENGINEERS THINK THE SAME? GERMANY: (our region lacks E V E R Y T H I N G ... agricultural corporations with something worthwhile developing ... I had someone uniquely capable (and experienced in my Jahrgang) but ... ... ... nothing ... not even a 0.1%er now or soon to be ... so even if you judge form a punched drug dealer's aka Fortune 500 POV... N O T H I N G.... HOW, except portfolio capitalism featuring "please don't make my child understand how disrespectful my capabilities are to the evolution of my grandparents genes" ... )
thrownawayohman 1y ago
Oh wow. This is actually a really bad idea and if your first thoughts are “oh wow this is awesome!” I don’t know what to tell you.
trod1234 1y ago
Whenever I see things promoting AI, the first question that comes to mind is; "Who gets held accountable when the AI lies in harmful destructive ways?". None of the people promoting these things address this question in any tangible or productive way, it is almost always yes its a problem, or dissembling. Its not an uncommon or unworthy question. They just don't like the only possible answer preferring the the opaqueness is nobody gets held accountable because that is what the given incentives produce. Ask and answer. Its a worthy question.
Lerc 1y ago
I would be interested to see how capable it would be at going against cultural standards to preserve accuracy. It's very hard for humans to imagine some mundane things when they go against their expectations. I would imagine AI would suffer similar issues, but there is a potential for them to do better. It strikes me as fascinating because I would consider it to be a sign of a greater level of reasoning, but because it goes against expectations would be considered worse by many. Some examples of what I am thinking about. Grass is only around 60 million years old, depictions of earth earlier than that frequently show grass. Jesus did not grow a beard until a couple of hundred years after his death.
summarity 1y ago
Does anyone remember the Person of Interest episode which saw the gang destroy a Samaritan-run startup to prevent it from usurping children’s education (via free tablets and AI powered teaching)? Anyway …
- ancarda 1y ago
  Yes and Finch wasn’t sure if what team Machine had done was a good thing, which is interesting given he’s usually so sure about resisting Samaritan
woopsn 1y ago
I would like AI that helps read and understand the text, but don't see real value having textbooks generated by AI.
pcoch6 1y ago
they definitely trained that voice on kahn academy guy
techlatest_net 1y ago
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ztravis 1y ago
The "personalized" basketball example isn't a good one - your hand pushing the ball down and the floor pushing it back up aren't an action/reaction pair. You could, for example, push the ball down over a bottomless pit (or in space or whatever) so that you have one without the other. Nitpicky, yes, and it also seems plausible that this very example would be found in textbooks already, but I wouldn't like to use it. Nor do I understand why you'd say "ouch, that hurt" while dribbling...
politician 1y ago
An exciting step closer to Neil Stephenson's Diamond Age.
ivankirigin 1y ago
Shocking they didn't have a printed book control.
ivankirigin 1y ago
Shocking they didn't have a printed book for a control, in addition to a digital reader.
falcor84 1y ago
I think that this is a really nice step on the way, but my vision is that it would generate the resource just-in-time as we're talking, based on my actual understanding and interests.
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jwpapi 1y ago
What was this AI that did infographics? I already used it to learn like this 6-12 months ago.
radioactivist 1y ago
This is a comparison between a new and interactive medium (+ slides, mind-maps, etc) and a static PDF book as a control. How do we know that a non-AI based interactive book wouldn't give similar (modest) increases in performance without any of the personalization AI enables?
krunger 1y ago
That's amazing! Anything that can help people from all backgrounds and ethnicities achieve greatness through knowledge is wonderful! Great work, Google!
KnuthIsGod 1y ago
Quite a number of my clients are school teachers. They seem perversely proud of having been in the worst quartile of students while they were at school. We are letting terrible students become terrible teachers who go on to teach terribly and produce the next generation of terrible students.
thelock85 1y ago
I have been doing a lot of solo tinkering around this very idea —contextualizing learning for every middle school through college student according to their career and personal interests. Props for this team for actual piloting with real students. What I’ve found however is that students’ interests (in terms of novel engagement) move at the speed of culture. It’s the quirky TikTok personality, the local slang, aura farming memes and other stuff I hardly understand at my age. So really it boils down to how you decrease the lag time between creation of students’ cultural phenomena and updating/tuning models to account for this new (or localized) information. It also requires a UI/UX that accurately flags what part of this information students actually engage with —an even harder tasks since kids can’t write or communicate this type of information in language LLMs draw patterns from (if they can write descriptively at all). Great teachers who are in constant socioemotional and cultural exchange with their students figure this out at the classroom level… not sure it’s a solution that technology can replicate at scale but it’s still fun to tinker.
- squigz 1y ago
  Any attempt to integrating modern culture into an LLM will be doomed to hilarious failure, like most attempts by schools to identify with the culture. Like you say, it moves at the speed of light; they'll integrate the culture of a few months ago and it's already different. Kids will see the LLM trying to relate to them like their 40 year uncle trying to relate to them and will see right through it.
amluto 1y ago
I’m entertained by the Newton’s Third Law example. The leveled-to-fifth-grade example is actually decent. The leveled-to-eleventh-grade example is outrageously bad — I’m sorry, Google, but Newton’s Third Law does not say that, when I dribble a basketball, the downward force from my hand on the ball is equal but opposite to the upward force from the floor when the ball bounces. Nor are those forces even close to equal. (In very, very slight fairness to Google here, the time-averaged forces from my hand, gravity, the floor, and minor things like air resistance, do add up to zero, and this follows from Newton’s Second Law and the fact that there is no net change to the ball’s velocity over a dribbling cycle. But this is not what they’re saying, and it isn’t even a particularly credible example of Newton’s Third Law. Google should add a whole lot more thinking to their model or they should just stick with fifth grade.)
- thierrydamiba 1y ago
  Out of curiosity, does the work you do involve considering edge cases often?
  - amluto 1y ago
    Yes, I guess? The edge cases are the interesting cases :) Seriously, though, what’s the point of trying to teach kids Newton’s Laws if you don’t try to give the kids a decent understanding of what situations they apply to and what one might conclude from them? Otherwise you’re just teaching cocktail party trivia.
amarant 1y ago
This seems like it has some pretty great potential. Human teachers don't have infinite patience. I recall my high school chemistry teacher's response when I was trying to understand why certain reactions happened: "just accept that these reactions happens and memorise them for the test. Don't try to understand it" I did not become a chemist. Now I'm in my thirties and I kinda wish I had studied something involving chemistry in university. It just seems fascinating. Unfortunately my teacher at the time did an excellent job of killing that curiosity and when I was choosing what to study in uni my first criteria was "anything but chemistry" I can't help but imagine how different my life could've been if I had this available to me at the time! On the other hand this AI could never hold a candle to my history teacher who showed up in full medieval armour, complete with a real sword. He even knew actual sword fighting techniques used by different nations at different times and have approximate demonstrations (slowly, no students were maimed) along with theoretical explanations of the pros and cons of each. 2 of my old classmates are now history buffs: one PhD(dissertation was on the topic of WW2) and one archeologist. That's gotta be above average for a class of ~20 kids. But teachers like him are a rarity.
- lowdest 1y ago
  I've always wanted a deeper, historical explanation rather than just the end result. Like, how did they even arrive at these things I'm memorizing? Who, and why? I think generative AI has great potential here to enrich learning, not only by having the ability to quickly cross reference history and science, but to compose it with storytelling technique.
- palmotea 1y ago
  > I recall my high school chemistry teacher's response when I was trying to understand why certain reactions happened: "just accept that these reactions happens and memorise them for the test. Don't try to understand it" > I did not become a chemist. That kinda sounds like you got tripped up by the lie-to-children phase (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lie-to-children https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lie-to-children), demanding an explanation requiring advanced concepts before you've mastered the basic ones.
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fdwrt 1y ago
What this suggests is that activities like the creation of mind maps (reference from 1990s research in this Google documentation) and dual coding theory (1991) can and should be outsourced to automation. For a student, how do we define the value of actually doing this work (proven decades ago) vs having an AI translate it to them? Is there anything in this “research” that suggests outcomes for students are better based on this insight? We see in figure 9 in the study a response based on an immediate test that that is marginally statically significant from a population of 60 students where the latter population is only digital readers. Why not actually compare to a textbook?
findingMeaning 1y ago
hah! there was once time I proposed this very project in my statement of purpose, they rejected for PhD application I see huge potential in 3D coming up. Prediction: 2030 is when 3D blows up. Brush your graphics guys, we are going full spatial
hansmayer 1y ago
Between this bunch of nothing and Github announcing forcibly removing $0 overage budgets from Copilot accounts for premium request... this whole "AI" bunch seems really desperate to drive adoption of their expensive toy technology. I wonder why is PG not calling out his famous "Solution in search of a problem" yet :)
- venk12 1y ago
  Because those with vested interests, such as large corporations and VCs - they naturally avoid acknowledging what the technology cannot yet do, what the technology is bad at. Their role is to promote optimism around the products they back, and this kind of selective narrative is a common form of dishonesty in big tech.
siva7 1y ago
This obviously vibe coded app brings my m4 macbook down to the knees. I'm not sure if school children nowadays usually use high-end computers at school or home (like these google "developers" do).
shomp 1y ago
With truly personalized learning I would expect more than incremental returns on the traditional pedagogical approach. I learn very rapidly with LLMs at my fingertips, largely due to the dialectical approach -- that is, having a conversation with the model allows me to dive in to places that are blurry and uncertain. Rather than "read, digest, quiz" maybe with the new tooling there is a better way to zero-in on what is unclear other than doing an assessment. Just kinda thinking out loud here.
constantcrying 1y ago
LLMs are great for learning, I am using them regularly for that purpose. I am skeptical about the images though, those usually turn out not very good, especially when understanding often hinges on details. What I find curious is why there is no emphasis on asking questions. This is the single greatest benefit that I have found, giving examples or clarification is, in my experience, very helpful to learn any subject.
karthiksuk 1y ago
By any chance they ripped of my average idea https://www.kaggle.com/competitions/google-gemma-3n-hackathon/writeups/learn-your-own-way https://www.kaggle.com/competitions/google-gemma-3n-hackatho...

lagniappe 1y ago

Looking forward to my copy of "A Young Lady's Illustrated Primer" a la Diamond Age

outsideoftime 1y ago
funny, that author knew back then what the world is like today? nanotech and nanobots everywhere?
exe34 1y ago
I was thinking about that when I bought my pinenote - imagine Tom Riddle's diary helping you with mathematics. Sadly I lost interest in the Linux side of the pinenote as it took a while to get to a working state and now I've got other things going on.
- TimorousBestie 1y ago
  > imagine Tom Riddle's diary helping you with mathematics. Your tone suggests that this wouldn’t be horrifying so I wonder what you meant by this.
  - exe34 1y ago
    Simply that it writes back and helps you along. hints might fade in after ten seconds of you staring at the problem. I was referring to the visual experience, not the dark lord possessing people.

Animats 1y ago

How much of this is cutesy animations and how much is really valuable?

devmor 1y ago
This feels at first glance like another instance of an AI tool doing something humans already enjoy doing, rather than replacing work we'd like to avoid. The teachers and professor I've known have always loved adapting their lessons to suit the interests of their students - I think that's a core educational instruction skill. I'm open to hearing disagreements, but reading through the usages and evaluations does not leave me thinking of a tool that would provide any benefit greater than just giving teachers more resources would.
- skydhash 1y ago
  Also some stuff are just hard to learn. They require a good (even deep) familiarity with some foundational knowledge and it will be a slow process to go through those.
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ZYbCRq22HbJ2y7 1y ago

https://learnyourway.withgoogle.com/ https://learnyourway.withgoogle.com/ Link to an example: https://learnyourway.withgoogle.com/scopes/AOcKkhsL/slides-narration https://learnyourway.withgoogle.com/scopes/AOcKkhsL/slides-n...

quantumHazer 1y ago
Upload your pdf so we can gather more training data but you’re providing it!

anonfunction 1y ago

Shameless plug but I made a similar tool called asXiv[1] which allows you to "ask" arXiv.org papers questions. It also recommends questions on initial load that can help understand or explore the paper, here's a demo[2] from the popular Attention Is All You Need paper. The code is all opensource[3], it uses the google 2.5 flash lite model to keep costs down (it's completely free atm), but that can be changed via env var if you run it locally. 1. https://asxiv.org https://asxiv.org 2. https://asxiv.org/pdf/1706.03762 https://asxiv.org/pdf/1706.03762 3. https://github.com/montanaflynn/asxiv https://github.com/montanaflynn/asxiv

sieep 1y ago
Seems legit, I'll have to try later. Just curious, why didn't you make this a commercial SaaS?
- dingnuts 1y ago
  maybe because every LLM provider has an "attach file" feature so you can attach a paper and then ask questions about it? what's the value add of the wrapper that this person wrote at all?
  - ohyoutravel 1y ago
    Right. I do this all the time with Gemini. Add a pdf or a link and ask it whatever I want. It will even turn it into a podcast with two people discussing the entire paper that I can listen to on the tram to work.
  - anonfunction 1y ago
    I built it because it was tiresome to save the pdf, open a new window, add it and give a prompt. Simply replacing the domain arxiv.org with asxiv.org does all that for me now. Also it links to pages in it's answers and scrolls the pdf to it on click, allowing to view the pdf side by side with the chat.
rshanreddy 1y ago
whoa this is fantastic. wish I had known about this earlier! just made a similar product for reading arXiv / epub / pdfs called Ruminate (www.tryruminate.com), would love to hear what you think

stogot 1y ago

Doesn’t work on mobile when you click into one of the examples. It says it is best for wide layouts

mclau157 1y ago

Google Veo 3 could also do a lot to spark interest by making 3D environments of Rome or Medieval Europe

cadr 1y ago

I feel like this is thinking too small. I don’t want a better textbook. I want them to be basing this off of the experience of going to the most effective private tutors.

xnx 1y ago
> I want them to be basing this off of the experience of going to the most effective private tutors. Good goal, but they've got to start somewhere. Delivering an education experience even 80% as effective as the best private tutors would be a huge achievement.
yorwba 1y ago
The textbook is there so that the model has something reasonably correct to work with and doesn't make up too much wrong stuff to teach. For tutoring, I think the approach in https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-025-97652-6 https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-025-97652-6 is promising. (Prompts are included in the supplementary material on the last page: https://static-content.springer.com/esm/art%3A10.1038%2Fs41598-025-97652-6/MediaObjects/41598_2025_97652_MOESM1_ESM.docx https://static-content.springer.com/esm/art%3A10.1038%2Fs415... ) They start with an existing collection of worked exercises, give the chatbot access to the full solution and then let students interact with it to get a walkthrough or just check their own solution, depending on how much help the student thinks they need.

doctorpangloss 1y ago

All the people at the forefront of AI really loved and thrived in highly academic settings from kindergarden to PhDs, their own lived experience doesn't match up with this product at all. Why are they making it? EdTech has the worst returns of any industry in venture capital. Why? There are no teachers who say that technology has generally improved experiences in classrooms, even if some specific technology-driven experiences like Khan Academy and Scratch are universally liked. Why? When you look at Scratch, which I know a lot about, one thing they never do is allege that it improves test scores. They never, ever evaluate it quantitatively like that. And yet it is beloved. Khan Academy: it is falling into the same trap as e.g. the Snoo. If you don't know what I'm talking about, it's about, who pays? Who is the customer? Khan Academy did a study that showed a thing. Kids are not choosing to watch educational YouTube videos because of a study. It is cozy learning. But why does Khan Academy need studies for a test score thing? Why does Google? This is the problem with Ed Tech: the only model is to sell to districts, and when you sell to districts, you are doing Enterprise Sales. You can sometimes give them a thing that does something, but you are always giving them exactly what they ask for. Do you see the difference? It doesn't matter if it's technology or if it is X or Y or Z: if the district asks for something that makes sense, great, and if it asks for something that doesn't make sense, or doesn't readily have the expertise to know what does and doesn't make sense, like with technology, tough cookie. Google will make something that doesn't make sense, if it feels that districts will adopt it. We can go and try the merits of Learn Your Way, thankfully they provide a demo. All I'll say is, people have been saying, "more reading" is the answer, and there is a lot of fucking reading in this experience, but maybe the problem isn't that there isn't enough text to read. The problem is that kids do not want to read, so...

ares623 1y ago
You know what really motivates studying though? The promise of being completely useless when you finish studying since everything will be done by AI! What a motivator!
- doctorpangloss 1y ago
  It's tough because the problems in education are so vast. Not that I'm saying you're wrong, but: everyone wants a stylistic answer to the question, "What is the problem with education?" Sometimes the style of that answer is malaise (you). Sometimes it is, some racist drivel. Which is pretty common on this forum, unfortunately. Everywhere you look in education there are problems. There isn't going to be some stylized answer. These Google guys - and a lot of other people who write comments online - go and promote something they think is a world view or theory, and is really just a bunch of stereotypes and projections of their own college-aged vengances. VC likes these kind of people! These Google guys fit that mold. I can agree with the broad strokes of techno-utopia, but that also means you need space to say that your app is bad, your art is ugly, and your text is long and boring. These Google guys do not have space for criticism. They are Enterprise Sales. If the district asks for tasteless Corporate Memphis art, that's the art they're going to get - I'm going to focus on the art because I know something about art, and the text that appeared in the demo was so horrifically boring that I didn't read it. Have you opened a children's book? None of it looks like fucking Corporate Memphis! One thing I am certain of is that these Google guys do have taste, they are smart people. Their problem is Enterprise Sales. Don't get me wrong. If you are narrowly focused on giving people what they want, your creative product will fail.

cjs_ac 1y ago

I'm a former physics teacher, and while I'm impressed by the technology, I think this is a low efficacy innovation. The real challenge in teaching Newton's laws of motion to teenagers is that they struggle to deal with the idea that friction isn't always there. When students enter the classroom, they arrive with an understanding of motion that they've intuited from watching things move all their lives, and that understanding is the theory of impetus: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory_of_impetus https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory_of_impetus An AI system that can interrogate individual students' understanding of the ideas presented and pose questions that challenge the theory of impetus would be really useful, because 'unteaching' impetus theory to thirty students at once is extremely difficult. However, what Google has presented here, with slides and multiple guess quizzes, is just a variation on the 'chalk and talk' theme. The final straw that made me leave teaching was the head of languages telling me that a good teacher can teach any subject. Discussions about 'the best pedagogy' never make any consideration of what is being taught; there's an implicit assumption that every idea and subject should be taught the same way. School systems have improved markedly since they were introduced in the nineteenth century, but I think we've got everything we can out of the subject-agnostic approach to improvement, and we need to start engaging with the detail of what's being taught to further improve.

0xWTF 1y ago
My general experience with things like this from Google is to assume that this is at least one big step behind what they're doing now internally. Taking a position on how useful one finds this today effectively insulates from thinking more seriously about what could be done. If taken from a perspective of "what hints are laying around in this blog post or scientific articles about what's possible?" it's probably more effective use of time if you're going to invest time in reading it. As an example, as you're reading it, try posing a few relevant counterfactuals.
- Workaccount2 1y ago
  >My general experience with things like this from Google is to assume that this is at least one big step behind what they're doing now internally What they are doing internally after launching something like this is patting themselves on the back, updating their resumes, and promptly forgetting it exists.

spwa4 1y ago

I wish instead Google would instead find a good way to have exercise books, with: 1) well-thought out exercises (covering all cases, whether in math or Spanish) 2) CORRECT solutions (just saying because even ChatGPT gets it wrong even for high school math) 3) that you can enter them using pen (if need be on an iPad) Just a way to make zillions of exercises if I want to. And for my kids, the problem is these days teachers won't (AND mostly can't, they just don't know their subject) help them make a lot of exercises.

skydhash 1y ago
Lot of exercises does not really help. What is valuable is feedback, not the chore itself. You either need someone more knowledgeable guiding you, or rely on insights.
- spwa4 1y ago
  That's true. When it catches mistakes, preferably immediately, it should give useful feedback.
jozika 1y ago
have you tried out lytris.com for math?

Imnimo 1y ago

I looked at the example for computer science basics for a 7th grader interested in food. Explanations include: "a list can be used for a recipe" "a set can be used to list all the unique ingredients you need to buy for a week's meals" "a map can be used for a cookbook" "a priority queue can be used to manage orders in a busy restaurant kitchen" "a food-pairing graph can show which ingredients taste good together" Maybe I'm over-estimating the taste of 7th graders, but I feel like I would get sick of this really quickly.

apwell23 1y ago
yea this is stupid . agreed. I don't know when these dorks will understand that education isn't a technical problem. Its a social and emotional problem. existing material is clear enough to learn from.
- Mtinie 1y ago
  It’s both. Technology is a component (I’d we wouldn’t have books, recorded videos, multimedia aids, etc.).
  - mattlutze 1y ago
    Technology is a tool to expand the possible ways to educate, but isn't necessary for education to happen. i.e. we've been educating people for 1,000s of years even without textbooks. Education itself isn't primarily a technology problem. Treating it as such is an administrative failure, as is pursuing a technological solution in many scenarios that are first social in nature.
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    - squigz 1y ago
      > i.e. we've been educating people for 1,000s of years even without textbooks. By using the tools available at the time we did, certainly. That involves physical tools like writing, but also non-physical tools like better ways of conveying and disseminating information, better ways of testing the efficacy of various approaches, etc, etc. Education has to evolve, as it always has. While I'm not sure TFA is it, I do think LLMs will have a role to play in making learning more accessible and enjoyable for everyone, not just kids.

yorwba 1y ago

Figure 10 of the technical report https://services.google.com/fh/files/misc/ai_augmented_textbook.pdf https://services.google.com/fh/files/misc/ai_augmented_textb... has a third n=30 group labeled "LCG" that is mentioned nowhere else. It scores 100% on "I felt like today's educational tool helped me gain a good understanding of the content." so I wonder what's up with that.

oceanhaiyang 1y ago

No one who understands ai can rely on it to help us learn. I provided one with 100 citations I wanted to standardize and it deleted 10 and made up 10 to replace them. Can’t imagine this being used to replace a textbook or even explain a textbook.

criddell 1y ago
> explain a textbook I've had very good luck using LLMs to do this. I paste the part of the book that I don't understand and ask questions about it.
- bigfishrunning 1y ago
  But the problem is, you don't understand the passage, so therefore how will you vet the answers? Seems like hallucinations would be very very damaging in this use-case
  - 0xEF 1y ago
    I was in the middle of typing the same question. This is the part that worries me about Generative AI; far too many people seem to have forgotten that its prone to confabulation and telling the user what they want to hear.
    - criddell 1y ago
      Sure, but if the LLM tells you the jump from step 2 to 3 in a calculus problem is the use of l'hopital's rule, you should be able to figure out pretty quickly if it's a red herring or not.
  - lacy_tinpot 1y ago
    If you can't discern what good answers look like to the questions you're asking, you're not asking the right kind of questions. Asking the right kind of questions is a genuine skill. It applies to every domain of life where you are at the mercy of a "professional" or at the mercy of some knowledge differential. So you need to be a good judge of whether the answers you're getting are good answers or bad answers.

clusterhacks 1y ago

Isn't this just showing the effects of actively engaging the learner by placing a topic in contexts familiar/favored by learner versus just reading about a topic? Like, if you had made the text pdf readers do some manual thinking by working on trying to place the topic into the same type of familiar/favored context, wouldn't that have been the better comparison? I think using GenAI for learning is cool and exciting (especially for autodidacts) but I'm not excited by this particular study structure.

non_aligned 1y ago
> I think using GenAI for learning is cool and exciting (especially for autodidacts) I don't know. I've been trying, but I think there are two fundamental issues. First, I don't think it's all that useful for "out-of-order" learning and for explaining concepts in non-conventional ways. To give you a practical example, there's a certain order in which we teach math, and every subsequent step builds on the previous one. But quite often, this order is just a matter of convention, not necessity. You can explain a ton of higher-math concepts in terms of high-school algebra and geometry, it's just not something we do because we don't intend to teach high-schoolers any of that, and for undergrads, it's more expedient to lean on their knowledge of calculus / mathematical analysis than to start by drawing triangles. And not once have I succeeded in convincing an LLM to circumvent that. If a topic is explained using mathematical analysis in college textbooks, this is how it will always answer. Which actually sucks for that curious high-schooler. But second, LLMs just aren't nearly as dependable as textbooks. It's not even the base error rate - I think they're 90%+ accurate on most run-of-the-mill scientific questions - but that once they make a confidently-sounding mistake and you try to drill down, they keep digging that hole and sending you more and more off track. It's amusing if you know the domain and can spot mistakes. It's a huge waste of time when trying to learn a new field. It's precisely why vibe-coding is more useful to experienced developers who can immediately reject bad results.
- clusterhacks 1y ago
  "Out-of-order" and non-conventional explanations are interesting to consider. For both, I would expect LLMs to do poorly when there isn't much (or any) material for those approaches in the training data. My intuition would be the learner is going to have to be more exploratory via prompt engineering and still struggle against the tendency of the model to lean into classic or conventional explanations. I don't particularly expect models to be dependable in responses, but I see how that presents a much larger problem in a learning context. I'm ok with bad responses that I can fight back against, but I also wouldn't reach for an LLM for a new field by default either. For me, I do like using an LLM as a supplemental learning aid along with other traditional resources. I haven't tackled a deeper, new-to-me field yet with one. Maybe it's time for that . . .

mossTechnician 1y ago

I wonder how this will contribute to our current declining literacy rates in a social climate that's already rife with anti-intellectualism and isolation. Even if this worked well, it appears to be to be a step backwards. Call me pessimistic, but this technology looks more poised to replace teachers in schools than supplement them.

janalsncm 1y ago
In that case the problem isn’t what technology we do or do not introduce. A society that values literacy isn’t going to be duped by a demo and a blog post. However a society which does not value understanding, expertise, or teachers will take every opportunity to shortcut them.
- aDyslecticCrow 1y ago
  Going by the atrocious salary expectation for teaching (which i firmly place as one of, if not the most, fundamentally important jobs in modern society) i think we've already established where we land on this. And note how i didn't mention a country; i think this is a widespread issue beyond country borders currently.
  - janalsncm 1y ago
    My only other frame of reference is China where being a teacher is a very respectable and competitive job with good wages. (Software engineering is way less prestigious interestingly.) They even have a national holiday for teachers. So it would be essentially unthinkable for a tech company to drop a demo that threatens teachers.
    - aDyslecticCrow 1y ago
      > teacher is a very respectable and competitive job with good wages My frame of reference is europe and America. I suspect more of asia than just china mirrors that respect, as education feels nearly unhealthily emphasised. The so called advanced world that prosper on innovation, design and R&D is skimpimg on the very thing that is supposed to be our advantage. Its frustrating.

alexb_ 1y ago

The point of the rigidity and uniformity of school is not that it is the best way to get everyone to understand everything if they try. The point is that it forces all the kids to try. School is not just for the most interested, it is for everyone. No AI you ever create will get a kid to choose learning how math works over doing basically anything else with their time. The point of school is not to teach, it is to discipline children to participate in education. Otherwise, why have it at all? Kids can find extensive information and guides for basically any topic they want on the internet right now. The entire "AI education" thing misses this.

outsideoftime 1y ago

what about just making textbooks with random info that is useful, i.e. no textbooks only on biology. just add random pages on all topics that people should know

nxobject 1y ago

Well, if shoehorning interests in works for youth pastors...

jumploops 1y ago

I’m not sure this approach is the right one, but the problem resonates with me. I vividly remember hitting some blocker (7th grade chem, 4th grade reading, 2nd grade dinosaurs), where I had a question that the teacher dismissed. My mind was stuck (blocked) as it couldn’t get past the question I had, and in a public school setting, it wasn’t worth the time for the teacher to dive down the tangent (or they simply weren’t prepared). My hope for LLMs in education, is that they can supplement traditional curriculums such that students can go “off the rails” while still being nudged back to the desired outcome. - How do we know electrons “spin”? - Why does that word behave differently than others (in English)? - How big is a sauropod compared to a blue whale? I’ve found that on my own journey through education, it’s these sparks of interest that drive towards deeper understanding, rather than surface level rote memorization. TFA says: “What if students had the power to shape their own learning journey?” In the context of nonfiction/textbooks, this is already possible! I didn’t read “How to read a book”[0] until high school, but it opened the world for me on another silly blocker I had, which is that material should be consumed start to finish. Hopefully with “AI” more students will learn that there are many paths towards understanding the world, and not just the curriculum in front of them. [0]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/How_to_Read_a_Book https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/How_to_Read_a_Book

jumploops 1y ago
Another anecdote: In university, I ended up taking Circuits 1&2 before Calc 4 (diff. eqs). This was fantastic, because everything I learned about Laplace, Fourier, etc. had an immediate connection to another area of interest, which made the class much more engaging.
- kalinkochnev 1y ago
  This is an underrated strategy
bofis 1y ago
That book was great on the second read-through.

ardit33 1y ago

Seems very similar when Microsoft invested in Apple back in the day when Apple was about to die. Their concern was that they would be the only one OS company standing and be defacto a monopoly and regulated such. So, it was a away to keep your 'weak' competition alive just enough not to make you the sole provider. Steve Jobs was able to turn around Apple in such a fashion that they become even bigger by letting go of the PC market and going mobile.

j45 1y ago

If anyone can take on textbook companies, large companies can.

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nextworddev 1y ago

Ah yet another project done to fill out promo doc

picardo 1y ago

I'm excited by this multi-media approach. I've been avid self-learner for years, and I've often found the textbook format too dry, and forbidding, but ever since I started using NotebookLM, I'm diving into textbooks more and more. There is genuine value in creating a new format that meets learners where they are at.

truelson 1y ago

This is one of the areas where LLMs are really useful. At their core they aren’t “thinking” so much as transforming and reorienting data. What’s been most valuable for me is the way they create a kind of imperfect but effective Socratic dialogue with whatever I’m reading. I was the kid who always had my hand up in class, not to show off, but because I hated leaving something unexplained. Good teachers could make a text come alive by answering those questions. LLMs give me some of that back outside the classroom. Even when I ask them to speculate, the process forces me to interrogate the material and refine my own model of it. That’s changed how I read, learn, and even how I experience novels. So innovation on this “Socratic interface” and other interfaces is pointed in the right direction.

truelson 1y ago
As a side note, I'm going through all the Le Carré novels... it is a lovely experience to be able to ask an LLM more questions about 1960s British culture, West German Cold War politics, and Le Carré's background as a diplomat/spy. A lovely way to engage with novels. Also, Smiley is getting up their in fictional characters I admire. Not Iroh level, but up there.

zhyder 1y ago

Plug for our https://uphop.ai/app https://uphop.ai/app : it's for adult learning / corporate training. We break down a desired job skill into small chunks, and engage the user with practice & give nuanced feedback. And of course like chatbots make it easy for user to ask more questions or go on tangents. Would appreciate feedback! There's a bit of overlap with Learn Your Way I guess. I'm not sure users need to toggle between alternate formats of the same instruction though. Instead the instruction itself should be as multi-modal as possible, and offer flexibility to ask questions... which even gemini.google.com offers so I'm not sure this is a net improvement over that.

mmmllm 1y ago

If Google didn't publish this it would come nowhere near the homepage of HN. Not exactly groundbreaking.

einpoklum 1y ago

1. Much of this suggestion has nothing to do with AI. Offering learners alternative forms of media for a subject is interesting and probably useful, regardless. 2. About the AI part: Let's remember that at the other end of these bells and whistles there is a huge amount of expended electricity, and sprawling sever farm infrastructure. That's the hidden cost. For now, it might seem like someone else is footing the bill, but that will not last for very long - and in fact, it already starting not to last. See: https://www.newsweek.com/ai-data-centers-why-electric-bill-so-high-2109965 https://www.newsweek.com/ai-data-centers-why-electric-bill-s... A typical US household is paying a 26 USD "AI tax" this year through its electricity bill.

eranation 1y ago

I love learning new things, Khan academy got me all the way through college, and I use ChatGPT / Claude to help me study papers regularly. I got frustrated really fast. Here is an example: https://learnyourway.withgoogle.com/scopes/1KNlGW5E/immersive-text/0 https://learnyourway.withgoogle.com/scopes/1KNlGW5E/immersiv... It starts with just this sentence, followed by a quiz on that sentence: > When we are born, we inherit our genetic makeup and biological features. However, our identity as human beings develops through interactions with others in society. Many experts in both psychology and sociology have described the process of self-development as a key step to understanding how that "self" learns to function within society. Followed by the quiz: > Question 1: Based on the provided text, what is a key difference in focus between psychology and sociology regarding self-development? A) Sociology is concerned with inherited traits, whereas psychology is concerned with societal norms. B) Psychology studies societal functions, while sociology studies individual identity. C) Psychology focuses on genetic makeup, while sociology focuses on social interactions. D) Both fields exclusively study the biological features inherited at birth. I thought D makes the most sense, as nothing in the immediate text provides a more granular answers. But it's not D. It made me question my intelligence, maybe I misread the sentence, maybe I needed to read something else? Oh there is a button for the entire PDF, but then isn't the purpose of it to break down the PDF into chunks and ask me questions on what I'm reading? I'm sure this is a fixable bug, but I was looking for the "provide feedback" button, there is none. This would be very frustrating to a student.

Vrondi 1y ago
It isn't you. None of those answers are correct. Sociology studies societies and cultures; collective behaviors at different scales within different niches, etc. It's an LLM hallucinating again.
richardubright 1y ago
Ignoring that, NONE of those answers are correct. It wants "C) Psychology focuses on genetic makeup, while sociology focuses on social interactions.", but that's not a true statement. Psychology is absolutely not focused on genetic makeup.
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sonicvroom 1y ago

> The personalization pipeline All of this hurts. GenAI cannot replace people grounded in reality. Especially not teachers and mentors. The effects will be nauseating to anyone who cherishes the development of human beings and minds in general. Teaching and mentoring is a two-sided thing. The mentor, if adequately tutored or capable himself, learns more than the student. I understand that this is something "we" hope to achieve for AI but it's so insanely dumb to do it this early, it almost makes me angry. Almost. These people are just doing their jobs. So, as usual, I'm calling their bosses dumb fucking pathetic shitheads of idiot trash who fucking cost our kind sooooooo much fucking potential it almost makes me angry. Sorry, gotta keep the anger at "almost", max. Can't be angry at lack of levels of consciousness or awareness. It's beyond genetic, a decision of "culture" and conformity; back to topic: Teaching is one of those mythical edges that hone themselves. And I don't mean just the skill, I mean the entire category, the concept, the inter-generational action that happens on absolutely all levels. GenAI in education, applied anything below "correctly" on the scale of civilization, in any interval/integral, is taking XP points off a higher dimension that is exclusive to us in the kingdom of animals. Don't fuck this up. Don't listen to your bosses. Quit. Found your own companies. I can't put it in words, yet. I don't have the peace of mind. But it's too damn important not to mention it. Every dimwit with access to drugs and hookers can make fuck-you money. For himself and others. FUCK THAT.

j45 1y ago
Personalized learning pre-LLMs has been a lot of hand waving and not really supporting instructors or instructional evolution.
- sonicvroom 1y ago
  it's brutal!!!! we could blame universities... but nobody forced their hand and they adapted to lower standards because ... [no peace of mind to take the time, ok, economists x'] ... I can supply a personal narrative, though: ( I have to exclude the conspiratorial part ) I move back home when my little sister had issues in 8th grade. it was coincidental. I started tutoring her. (background: After I turned 13, every spring, summer and fall, I WORKED at a Gaertnerei aka garden center until I finished my Abitur with a C) She made progress. ( she's a bad example because someone fucked with her thyriod right when she started to make progress ( it's Germany, they are D.U.M.B with eugenics, they outsourced it to The USA because they are bad losers but whatever )) She made progress. What did I learn? A LOT. Zero hand waving. In retro, I learned the MINIMUM ( I, do you understand who I felt like back then and NOW ? ) ( for clarity, I THINK I know where your comment comes from ) ... HOW can they fail to teach this to youngsters in University? Wait ... I get it. The system works well to reach it's objective, but CAN it be aware of what lies ahead? No way. I was 15, or 16, now 37, when I was planting some dumb trees in some dumb pot, when I realized, in my ADHD obliviousness, that neither my boss, nor his son, my age, my then colleague, knew how things would turn out. Working class, programmed* to be this way, ok. Fast forward: my classmates, the Jahrgang before and after, all teachers for more or less ten years now. ... ... ... None founded their own school, despite abilities to get the finances, ... ... ... all abiding to the standard curriculum ... ... ... none of them being a Studienrat ( some higher regional rank ) ... ... all feeling very cool cuz they make 5k a month (if) ... ... ... ... ... .PERIOD, moving on: THEY wouldn't think of > supporting instructors or instructional evolution. HOW THE FUCK WOULD/COULD COMPUTER SCIENTISTS, OR ENGINEERS THINK THE SAME? GERMANY: (our region lacks E V E R Y T H I N G ... agricultural corporations with something worthwhile developing ... I had someone uniquely capable (and experienced in my Jahrgang) but ... ... ... nothing ... not even a 0.1%er now or soon to be ... so even if you judge form a punched drug dealer's aka Fortune 500 POV... N O T H I N G.... HOW, except portfolio capitalism featuring "please don't make my child understand how disrespectful my capabilities are to the evolution of my grandparents genes" ... )

thrownawayohman 1y ago

Oh wow. This is actually a really bad idea and if your first thoughts are “oh wow this is awesome!” I don’t know what to tell you.

trod1234 1y ago

Whenever I see things promoting AI, the first question that comes to mind is; "Who gets held accountable when the AI lies in harmful destructive ways?". None of the people promoting these things address this question in any tangible or productive way, it is almost always yes its a problem, or dissembling. Its not an uncommon or unworthy question. They just don't like the only possible answer preferring the the opaqueness is nobody gets held accountable because that is what the given incentives produce. Ask and answer. Its a worthy question.

Lerc 1y ago

I would be interested to see how capable it would be at going against cultural standards to preserve accuracy. It's very hard for humans to imagine some mundane things when they go against their expectations. I would imagine AI would suffer similar issues, but there is a potential for them to do better. It strikes me as fascinating because I would consider it to be a sign of a greater level of reasoning, but because it goes against expectations would be considered worse by many. Some examples of what I am thinking about. Grass is only around 60 million years old, depictions of earth earlier than that frequently show grass. Jesus did not grow a beard until a couple of hundred years after his death.

summarity 1y ago

Does anyone remember the Person of Interest episode which saw the gang destroy a Samaritan-run startup to prevent it from usurping children’s education (via free tablets and AI powered teaching)? Anyway …

ancarda 1y ago
Yes and Finch wasn’t sure if what team Machine had done was a good thing, which is interesting given he’s usually so sure about resisting Samaritan

woopsn 1y ago

I would like AI that helps read and understand the text, but don't see real value having textbooks generated by AI.

pcoch6 1y ago

they definitely trained that voice on kahn academy guy

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ztravis 1y ago

The "personalized" basketball example isn't a good one - your hand pushing the ball down and the floor pushing it back up aren't an action/reaction pair. You could, for example, push the ball down over a bottomless pit (or in space or whatever) so that you have one without the other. Nitpicky, yes, and it also seems plausible that this very example would be found in textbooks already, but I wouldn't like to use it. Nor do I understand why you'd say "ouch, that hurt" while dribbling...

politician 1y ago

An exciting step closer to Neil Stephenson's Diamond Age.

ivankirigin 1y ago

Shocking they didn't have a printed book control.

ivankirigin 1y ago

Shocking they didn't have a printed book for a control, in addition to a digital reader.

falcor84 1y ago

I think that this is a really nice step on the way, but my vision is that it would generate the resource just-in-time as we're talking, based on my actual understanding and interests.

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jwpapi 1y ago

What was this AI that did infographics? I already used it to learn like this 6-12 months ago.

radioactivist 1y ago

This is a comparison between a new and interactive medium (+ slides, mind-maps, etc) and a static PDF book as a control. How do we know that a non-AI based interactive book wouldn't give similar (modest) increases in performance without any of the personalization AI enables?

krunger 1y ago

That's amazing! Anything that can help people from all backgrounds and ethnicities achieve greatness through knowledge is wonderful! Great work, Google!

KnuthIsGod 1y ago

Quite a number of my clients are school teachers. They seem perversely proud of having been in the worst quartile of students while they were at school. We are letting terrible students become terrible teachers who go on to teach terribly and produce the next generation of terrible students.

thelock85 1y ago

I have been doing a lot of solo tinkering around this very idea —contextualizing learning for every middle school through college student according to their career and personal interests. Props for this team for actual piloting with real students. What I’ve found however is that students’ interests (in terms of novel engagement) move at the speed of culture. It’s the quirky TikTok personality, the local slang, aura farming memes and other stuff I hardly understand at my age. So really it boils down to how you decrease the lag time between creation of students’ cultural phenomena and updating/tuning models to account for this new (or localized) information. It also requires a UI/UX that accurately flags what part of this information students actually engage with —an even harder tasks since kids can’t write or communicate this type of information in language LLMs draw patterns from (if they can write descriptively at all). Great teachers who are in constant socioemotional and cultural exchange with their students figure this out at the classroom level… not sure it’s a solution that technology can replicate at scale but it’s still fun to tinker.

squigz 1y ago
Any attempt to integrating modern culture into an LLM will be doomed to hilarious failure, like most attempts by schools to identify with the culture. Like you say, it moves at the speed of light; they'll integrate the culture of a few months ago and it's already different. Kids will see the LLM trying to relate to them like their 40 year uncle trying to relate to them and will see right through it.

amluto 1y ago

I’m entertained by the Newton’s Third Law example. The leveled-to-fifth-grade example is actually decent. The leveled-to-eleventh-grade example is outrageously bad — I’m sorry, Google, but Newton’s Third Law does not say that, when I dribble a basketball, the downward force from my hand on the ball is equal but opposite to the upward force from the floor when the ball bounces. Nor are those forces even close to equal. (In very, very slight fairness to Google here, the time-averaged forces from my hand, gravity, the floor, and minor things like air resistance, do add up to zero, and this follows from Newton’s Second Law and the fact that there is no net change to the ball’s velocity over a dribbling cycle. But this is not what they’re saying, and it isn’t even a particularly credible example of Newton’s Third Law. Google should add a whole lot more thinking to their model or they should just stick with fifth grade.)

thierrydamiba 1y ago
Out of curiosity, does the work you do involve considering edge cases often?
- amluto 1y ago
  Yes, I guess? The edge cases are the interesting cases :) Seriously, though, what’s the point of trying to teach kids Newton’s Laws if you don’t try to give the kids a decent understanding of what situations they apply to and what one might conclude from them? Otherwise you’re just teaching cocktail party trivia.

amarant 1y ago

This seems like it has some pretty great potential. Human teachers don't have infinite patience. I recall my high school chemistry teacher's response when I was trying to understand why certain reactions happened: "just accept that these reactions happens and memorise them for the test. Don't try to understand it" I did not become a chemist. Now I'm in my thirties and I kinda wish I had studied something involving chemistry in university. It just seems fascinating. Unfortunately my teacher at the time did an excellent job of killing that curiosity and when I was choosing what to study in uni my first criteria was "anything but chemistry" I can't help but imagine how different my life could've been if I had this available to me at the time! On the other hand this AI could never hold a candle to my history teacher who showed up in full medieval armour, complete with a real sword. He even knew actual sword fighting techniques used by different nations at different times and have approximate demonstrations (slowly, no students were maimed) along with theoretical explanations of the pros and cons of each. 2 of my old classmates are now history buffs: one PhD(dissertation was on the topic of WW2) and one archeologist. That's gotta be above average for a class of ~20 kids. But teachers like him are a rarity.

lowdest 1y ago
I've always wanted a deeper, historical explanation rather than just the end result. Like, how did they even arrive at these things I'm memorizing? Who, and why? I think generative AI has great potential here to enrich learning, not only by having the ability to quickly cross reference history and science, but to compose it with storytelling technique.
palmotea 1y ago
> I recall my high school chemistry teacher's response when I was trying to understand why certain reactions happened: "just accept that these reactions happens and memorise them for the test. Don't try to understand it" > I did not become a chemist. That kinda sounds like you got tripped up by the lie-to-children phase (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lie-to-children https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lie-to-children), demanding an explanation requiring advanced concepts before you've mastered the basic ones.
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fdwrt 1y ago

What this suggests is that activities like the creation of mind maps (reference from 1990s research in this Google documentation) and dual coding theory (1991) can and should be outsourced to automation. For a student, how do we define the value of actually doing this work (proven decades ago) vs having an AI translate it to them? Is there anything in this “research” that suggests outcomes for students are better based on this insight? We see in figure 9 in the study a response based on an immediate test that that is marginally statically significant from a population of 60 students where the latter population is only digital readers. Why not actually compare to a textbook?

findingMeaning 1y ago

hah! there was once time I proposed this very project in my statement of purpose, they rejected for PhD application I see huge potential in 3D coming up. Prediction: 2030 is when 3D blows up. Brush your graphics guys, we are going full spatial

hansmayer 1y ago

Between this bunch of nothing and Github announcing forcibly removing $0 overage budgets from Copilot accounts for premium request... this whole "AI" bunch seems really desperate to drive adoption of their expensive toy technology. I wonder why is PG not calling out his famous "Solution in search of a problem" yet :)

venk12 1y ago
Because those with vested interests, such as large corporations and VCs - they naturally avoid acknowledging what the technology cannot yet do, what the technology is bad at. Their role is to promote optimism around the products they back, and this kind of selective narrative is a common form of dishonesty in big tech.

siva7 1y ago

This obviously vibe coded app brings my m4 macbook down to the knees. I'm not sure if school children nowadays usually use high-end computers at school or home (like these google "developers" do).

shomp 1y ago

With truly personalized learning I would expect more than incremental returns on the traditional pedagogical approach. I learn very rapidly with LLMs at my fingertips, largely due to the dialectical approach -- that is, having a conversation with the model allows me to dive in to places that are blurry and uncertain. Rather than "read, digest, quiz" maybe with the new tooling there is a better way to zero-in on what is unclear other than doing an assessment. Just kinda thinking out loud here.

constantcrying 1y ago

LLMs are great for learning, I am using them regularly for that purpose. I am skeptical about the images though, those usually turn out not very good, especially when understanding often hinges on details. What I find curious is why there is no emphasis on asking questions. This is the single greatest benefit that I have found, giving examples or clarification is, in my experience, very helpful to learn any subject.

karthiksuk 1y ago

By any chance they ripped of my average idea https://www.kaggle.com/competitions/google-gemma-3n-hackathon/writeups/learn-your-own-way https://www.kaggle.com/competitions/google-gemma-3n-hackatho...