18 ms·
Apple Debuts iPhone 17
- losvedir 1y agoI'm still on an iPhone 11 and this might finally be the one to get me to upgrade. I don't need the "Pro" stuff, but the ProMotion was always frustratingly only associated with the Pro phones. That said, I'm sort of frustrated with iOS overall, and sorely tempted to go back to Pixels, so I can't decide.
- bitpush 1y agoWhat kind of frustrations do you have on iOS. Since you've used Pixels, you probably are in a good position to compare.
- losvedir 1y agoThe notifications are the biggest one. iOS insists on this Banner -> Lock Screen -> Notification Center lifecycle, and it drives me crazy that notifications move from Lock Screen to Notification Center simply by unlocking the phone and then doesn't show Notification Center notifications at a glance. I've missed so many notifications that way, because I quickly unlocked my phone to deal with something, thereby dismissing my current Lock Screen notifications, and then failing to realize that I had some, because when I tap my screen to light it up they don't show up (you have to explicitly swipe up to reveal Notification Center). Beyond that, I really appreciated Android's little top bar that shows the app icons that had notifications so I could quickly see if it was Slack, email, etc, that I had. Finally, Android lets you opt out of "Marketing" notifications at an OS level, while iOS doesn't have that. Beyond that, I get frequent spam SMS's which are stupid. Android blocks all those. I have a Junk mail folder in email and hardly get email spam anymore. It feels like going back 20 years getting these random spam SMS's. Finally, "glanceability" doesn't seem as good with the iPhone. One silly little thing is that if I'm using my iPhone it's sometimes very hard to see the date! If you have notifications you have to swipe down quite a bit to reveal that.
- mandeepj 1y ago> tempted to go back to Pixels I got my first Pixel (10 Pro XL); Only because their AI integration felt cool. My iPhone 11 Pro is still doing great overall, besides sluggishness here and there, and random Chrome crashes. I might consider upgrading to 17 now due to speed and camera upgrades. Honestly, it was not an exciting upgrade, just like their last 5.
- microtonal 1y agoI have a Pixel 9 to check out where Android is standing and for GrapheneOS. Unfortunately Pixel OS still has pretty bad bugs all the time (oneUI is much more polished, but has other issues) and the Pixel 10 is really overpriced compared to the iPhone 17 (the Pixel 10 is more midrange than a flagship, even though it has a flagship price).
- ihuman 1y agoThe air and the non-pro 17 have ProMotion
- skydhash 1y agoStill no reason to upgrade. My shift from iPhone 8 to iPhone 13 was qualitative. Now much of the barrier to improvement is software, and they’re all gated by Apple.
- ngokevin 1y agoEven an iPhone X was running great in 2025, until it finally gave up to age and the network module stopped working. iPhone 13s are lightning quick for me still.
- microtonal 1y agoI think iPhone 17 is the first worthy upgrade to the base model in years, LPTO is a huge upgrade to the aging pre-iPhone 17 screen. The difference between Pro and non-Pro is pretty thin this year. I currently have a 16 Pro, might upgrade, but mostly because models are typically shifted through our family (so everyone gets an upgrade).
- kjkjadksj 1y agoWhat I found with screens going back to an old 1280px macbook screen when the retina was in the shop is that you quickly lose appreciation for quality when you don’t have an example next to you. This is why the Apple Store model is good for sales, you can dangle the new screens on an hdr wallpaper and its clear that it is different to the one you already have. But again, it only became an issue because one day you made it an issue.
- microtonal 1y agoI agree. Though I would formulate it a bit differently. You can live fine without HiDPI or >60Hz. But once you have used them for a few days, it's really hard to go back. Our daughter still has an older iPhone with 60Hz and I cannot look at it. The flickery animations drive me crazy. Yet, I have had iPhones with < 120Hz screens for well over a decade.
- 1y ago
- hdjl930jK 1y ago[flagged]
- bitpush 1y agoMind walking through what you saw that helped you make the decision?
- TavsiE9s 1y ago"New shiny!"
- hdjl930jK 1y ago> Mind walking through what you saw that helped you make the decision? I upgrade every year to impress friends, family, and colleagues. I don’t use a case. I’ll be ordering the orange 17 pro.
- bitpush 1y agohaha, more power to you!
- dvfjsdhgfv 1y agoI wonder - are they impressed?
- nottorp 1y agoAt least he's honest. Tbh I would order an orange phone... but i bet Apple will make it muted and boring instead of really orange. Toyota not Renault.
- piyuv 1y agoBeing able to impress people with 1099$ sure is strange
- slaw 1y agoI wish I have a friend or colleague that could be impressed by a new phone.
- kotaKat 1y agoOnce again disappointed that we’re getting screwed over by “bill credit” carrier offers for 36 months and wish that US carriers would stop that crap.
- devrand 1y agoWhat's the concern here? Can the phone not just be bought outright?
- kotaKat 1y agoIf I trade in my phone, I want my trade-in offer now. Instead, the full value of whatever trade-in deal provided is split over 36 months as bill credits. While the new phone might actually be “free” in one of these promotions, it’s not, naturally, because you’ve been thrown into a 36 month installment agreement separate of the cellphone service they’ve sold you on (that they also claim is “price locked” while independently raising surcharges and other fees).
- burnt-resistor 1y agoSell your phone, never trade it in. That's the surest way to lose money.
- lotsofpulp 1y agoDo a little more work and sell it on Facebook Marketplace. Convenience comes at a cost.
- NoPicklez 1y agoThen I'd just buy the phone outright and sell it at the end or use another trade in route through Apple directly
- burnt-resistor 1y agoWith inflation such as it is, finance it and don't be concerned about a temporary lock. Most carriers will unlock it after X months and/or for travel. Let the phone carrier eat it and conserve capital.
- musha68k 1y agoThrough the last iterations I only ever upgrade my iPhone whenever there is a "meaningful" RAM upgrade in it for me. So this one here is not too bad going from 8GB to 12GB (Air, Pro, Pro Max).
- astrange 1y agoYou won't notice a difference, RAM upgrades get used by new camera features. Use an ad blocker if you want Safari tabs to stay open longer.
- musha68k 1y agoUnless we get to see someone doing more in-depth profiling we can't know. This should still give more headroom across app usage; especially when not using the camera then and probably even with (it's a 50% increase versus last mem max).
- giancarlostoro 1y agoI have a 12 Pro, I am definitely going to be upgrading, I've had my phone for 5 years now (since 2020) that's actually longer than I've owned any other cell phone without upgrading. I think I could probably squeeze more life out of my phone, but the 17 has a nicer camera, me and my wife are noticing our relatives with newer iPhones have photographs that look slightly (I meant to write NOTICEABLY here) better. As we raise our first child, having a quality camera is definitely important to us. I was really tempted by the iPhone Air, but the Pro has better camera features. I am actually really excited to see what they will do for the iPads. If they release a thin iPac Mini similar to the iPhone Air, I would immediately buy it. I am not usually a fan of thin, but something in me has always wanted a thin iPad Mini, not sure why, but I'm waiting for it still. Great demo, the most impressive demo had to have been the Airpod Pros translation piece. Edit: Needed to annotate that I wrote 'slightly better' but its not just slightly, we both visually noticed a different in quality. One last note, the 12 Pro was my first iPhone ever. I was on Android since 2009, every Android I had lasted about 2 years. My last one probably would have lasted me 5 years but I was tired and wanted a change at my 2 year mark. I have not regretted my decision to date.
- kjkjadksj 1y agoThe issue with the camera in newer iphones is that it uses an Ai engine to smooth things and add details that aren’t there. If you want reference tier photos for documenting family history, modern mirrorless is better. DSLR from 10-15 years ago is also still great in all but the most challenging light conditions, where you could simply use a flash.
- Jaxan 1y agoEspecially on babies, the smoothing or noise reduction is weird. A newborn has a very specific skin with an enormous amount of details/speckles/marks. It’s very hard to capture for some reason. Couldn’t do it with my phone, only with a proper camera and shooting in raw.
- KAMSPioneer 1y ago
- tra3 1y agoNo Mini. Not surprised. I guess I'm gonna replace the battery in my 13 mini finally. Wonder if we'll ever see folding phones. I'm not concerned with the thickness but the overall foot print that's pocketable would be amazing.
- doublepg23 1y agoThe iPhone Air is definitely a testing ground for folding phone technologies.
- tra3 1y agoHow so? That would be great either way.
- Tankenstein 1y agoFoldables need to have very thin construction as when folded, you essentially have two phones on top of each other. There's speculation online that the air was launched off the back of their internal foldable R&D.
- simmerup 1y agoWhich is mad becausw the Chinese are already making super thin foldable phones for consumers Another area where we're falling behind in tech
- dmonitor 1y agoThat's just par for the course with Apple. Late to the party, but they tend to nail it when they show up
- mrheosuper 1y agoLike AI ?
- 1y ago
- kingsleyopara 1y agoSurprising there’s no matte-black iPhone 17 Pro - dark, low-reflectance finishes are standard in pro video kit because they minimise specular reflections and stray highlights; keeping a shiny silver finish and skipping a subdued matte black feels like a strange choice and undercuts the “Pro” claim.
- linkage 1y agoIt's not a strange choice at all when you realize that the majority of people use phone cases and it's more difficult to make matte "pop" in promotional content
- seanmcdirmid 1y agoI wonder if someone will come up with the idea of vinyl wrap to protect your phone rather than using a slipon phone case. Then...you could have your phone be thin and get that matte finish. Couple that with a matte phone screen protector and I think the result would be pretty nice.
- ihuman 1y agoDbrand makes those
- doublepg23 1y agoIsn’t this d-brands original business model?
- kjkjadksj 1y agoThese have never been actual pro devices. Arguably not even prosumer. You probably don’t want scorched earth ai processing done on your photos as a pro but that is what the iPhones have been doing as of late. Most damning is no way to turn that off.
- astrange 1y agoThere is no such thing as a digital camera without processing. But third party camera apps can get images as raw as they want them and it supports professional video standards. Try Halide with "Process Zero" if you want that, but I'm pretty sure the most popular 3p camera apps are Asian beauty apps that do far more and far worse quality processing.
- ivape 1y agoI just browse the web on my phone. In fact, my phone is already too expensive just for that one thing. I’m not upgrading until the new phones can run a 5B model with adequate context size and adequate inferencing speeds.
- deleted 1y ago[deleted]
- matesz 1y agoI’m still using iPhone 12 mini running iOS 26 beta and it’s good enough. OS is definitely not polished, some of the design choices don’t even make sense but in general I believe it’s the right direction - spatial + maxing out visual looks. Being able to turn Liquid Glass off to sth like flat design would be nice but this probably won’t happen. Now when it comes to the event itself, it felt so cartoonish.
- sbinnee 1y agoI switched to 12 mini about a year ago from 1st gen SE because it broke down. I agree that it would be more than enough for years to come. I cannot agree more on the event video. It looks like a pure TV ad for a full hour long. Also, it used to cover more diversity in terms of presenters. Where are they now? I want to hear lovely accents from people all around the world.
- ChrisMarshallNY 1y agoEvery event has been a fairly transparent ad. I think for this one, they may not have had as big a variety of people to choose from. Apple has always been big on diversity; long before it was fashionable. In this one, I noticed that the presenters all stood very still; more still than in previous ones. It looks like they were all green screen, and the video composer was just very good. I was impressed by the woman standing in grass. It looked fairly “natural.”
- kridsdale3 1y agoMaybe they're super still because all the video is recorded, at night, on an iPhone 17 Pro, which has less ideal stabilization and long-shutter-exposure than a real camera.
- wltr 1y ago> iPhone 17 introduces N1, a new Apple-designed wireless networking chip that enables Wi-Fi 7, Bluetooth 6, and Thread. What is Thread?
- sertsa 1y agoA newish IOT protocol, think Zigbee 2.0 kinda. https://www.threadgroup.org/ https://www.threadgroup.org/
- somanyphotons 1y agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thread_(network_protocol) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thread_(network_protocol)
- ComputerGuru 1y agoZigbee like thing for IoT and Matter.
- omnicognate 1y agoA very badly named mesh networking protocol designed for IoT applications, usually used as the transport layer for the equally badly named "Matter" IoT protocol.
- wrigby 1y agoThread is a mesh networking protocol mostly targeted at IoT and smart-home connectivity - it's basically a Zigbee competitor.
- terramex 1y agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thread_(network_protocol) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thread_(network_protocol) > Thread is an IPv6-based, low-power mesh networking technology for Internet of things (IoT) products. > Often used as a transport for Matter (the combination being known as Matter over Thread), the protocol has seen increased use for connecting low-power and battery-operated smart-home devices. > Thread uses 6LoWPAN, which, in turn, uses the IEEE 802.15.4 wireless protocol with mesh communication (in the 2.4 GHz spectrum), as do Zigbee and other systems. However, Thread is IP-addressable, with cloud access and AES encryption. A BSD-licensed open-source implementation of Thread called OpenThread is available from and managed by Google.
- al_borland 1y agoI really like the new unibody design on the 17 Pro, as well as the orange. That seems like the first iPhone might feel like bypassing the case. However, seeing as I just got a 16 Pro last year, I don't think I can justify an upgrade just yet. Overall this year seemed much better than last year.
- kblissett 1y agoThe AT&T carrier deals this year are wild. It seems like they’ll just throw a new phone at you for free as long as you agree to stay for 3 years.
- Citizen8396 1y agoBeyond the price of their services, they're probably thinking of all the data they can collect and sell in that time.
- jerlam 1y agoPrepaid is so competitive now that "a free phone" is one of the few reasons to go postpaid (other than ignorance).
- kjkjadksj 1y agoThe glass screen is why you want a case not the frame.
- erikw 1y agoI'd be curious to understand their rationale for not making a small, reasonably priced phone like the iPhone SE used to be. I probably will be leaving the iPhone ecosystem the next time I have to buy a smartphone (even though I use a Mac, iPad, and Airpods, which all work together really well) because I'm uninterested in using a large phone. Thinking through my own use case, I just use my phone for messaging, maps, and the occasional app, so I'm not going to need a big screen for consuming content. I also don't want to spend a lot of money on a phone, since I don't need any fancy features. So perhaps that intersection of use cases doesn't make much sense to target?
- trenchpilgrim 1y ago> I'd be curious to understand their rationale for not making a small, reasonably priced phone like the iPhone SE used to be. People who want cheap iPhones buy older models. You get better specs buying a used or NOS premium model than a new budget model.
- stevenhubertron 1y agoWhen they do release small phones not enough people buy them so they don't see the cost as worth it. Simple market dynamics I assume.
- msk-lywenn 1y agoIt's my thinking too but Android phones are just as big so I really don't know where to go when I won't be able to fix my iphone SE 2016... Maybe a 13 mini...
- pertymcpert 1y agoThe SE didn't sell well. They want people who not only buy the phone but also buy content through the App Store and through the media services like Apple TV/music.
- r0fl 1y agoPhones are used to consume content. Bigger screens make consuming content better. Therefore smaller screens do not sell well. The sales back up my statements. Yes I romanticize about an iPhone 17 mini pro but in the end I like being able to watch some downloaded content on a plane without having to bring an iPad from time to time and I'm not going to do that on a tiny screen.
- BurningFrog 1y agoEach new model has an asymptotically smaller feature bump. In 10 years we may have converged on the complete cell phone. Maybe the recent introduction of foldable phones indicates the opposite. Is it the final blip, or will something similarly disruptive happen every 5-7 years? Discuss.
- Gys 1y agoThe number of models increase, the number of noticeable features decrease. All marketing, no vision.
- ethbr1 1y agoImho, there are only two unsolved problems in mobile devices: (1) maximizing screen size (in a portable form factor) and (2) input method. Anything else on the hardware side is mostly noise. If I had to futurism bet, it'd be on eyeglass AR + pocket device being the next major change. With input method for that still tbd.
- eloisant 1y agoWe converged already 5 years ago, the feature bumps we're getting now are artificially created for marketing reasons.
- BlackjackCF 1y agoYeah. When I refreshed from an 11 to a 15 Pro… the only noticeable difference was the better camera.
- steve_adams_86 1y agoIt's a remarkably good camera for a phone. But I agree. I went from the 2020 SE to the 15 Pro and it was kind of whatever. Well, the screen's higher refresh rate is nice to look at too. That isn't really new to phones in general so much as it is to iPhones, though.
- Hamuko 1y agoI'm surprised that Apple is giving every single iPhone model 256 GB starting capacity. My prediction would've been 256 GB for the Pro and 128 GB for the base iPhone 17. Guess those AI models need space?
- microtonal 1y agoI didn't pay attention for the non-Pro, but for the Pro they 'said' they give you 256GB for the price of last year's 256 GB. So it seems like another step in moving the prices up. Edit: 16 Pro 128 GB was $999 at introduction iPhone 17 Pro 256 GB is $1099. Better for the non-Pro though - the 16 128 GB was $799, the 17 256 GB is also $799.
- wildrhythms 1y agoWhat AI models?
- Hamuko 1y agoThe AI models that take up 7 GB of your storage. https://support.apple.com/en-us/121115 https://support.apple.com/en-us/121115
- reilly3000 1y agoI’ve been keen on having something that can do decent on-device inference. Otherwise my 14 Pro is still fantastic and probably will be for some time.
- onre 1y agoI'm typing this on a 6S Plus, and so far it seems like this'll do until iOS 15 patching stops.
- cluoma 1y agoI think I'm throwing in the towel on my 7 Plus this year. I'd love to keep it around for a bit longer but too many apps and websites are no longer functional. It's starting to become a usability issue.
- stevenhubertron 1y agoAll models are so uninteresting to me. Maybe its finally time I try the Nothing Phon
- linkage 1y agoIt's odd that the Air has 4 GB more RAM than the regular 17 even though it's meant to replace the Plus models from previous years (same specs, same difference in price point, etc.)
- Hamuko 1y agoThe iPhone 17 Air has the Pro SoC in it. It's sort of a in-between model between the base iPhone 17 and the luxury iPhone 17 Pro. Pro performance, base camera.
- deleted 1y ago[deleted]
- temp0826 1y agoSigh, the only upgrade for my 12 mini is still the 13 mini?
- nabeards 1y agoSame here. I’m going to get a new battery soon, so that’ll give me a few more years. I’m hoping something comes along in that time that I want. Otherwise, I may just go to a Japanese eInk phone.
- mc3301 1y agowhich Japanese eInk phone?
- kridsdale3 1y agoIt isn't a phone (no cellular) but the BOOX Palma 2 is a fantastic phone-sized Android-running eInk device. Pair it with a hotspot in your bag or pocket and it would be good enough (as long as you don't make actual calls).
- mdavid626 1y agoLooking at it from my 2020 iPhone SE I bought used for 120€. Still good, still works.
- xiconfjs 1y agoProblem with used phones: no guarantee of water resistance. Many of the resold phones got their battery replaced, which itself it a good thing, but they are usually not applying the gasket required for water resistence.
- mdavid626 1y agoHow often you take your phone underwater? If so, why?
- xiconfjs 1y agoIt’s more about using it while it’s raining on my bike (attached to the handle). No need for a water-thight case so far.
- kridsdale3 1y agoSome of the best video I have from my honeymoon was taken on an iPhone while floating in the Pacific Ocean with my (new!) wife. I wasn't going to grab a GoPro or some kind of Ocean Case for a video camera, I had a phone in my hand.
- lm28469 1y ago30+ years on this planet and I've yet to have any issue with water and electronics. Even if your phone died every single year from water damage it would still be cheaper to buy a beater every year than a new iphone every 3-5 years
- GeekyBear 1y agoApple shipping their in-house network silicon (5G cellular, WiFi, Bluetooth, etc) to their wider product line is certainly a long time coming. I would assume this means Apple laptops with integrated cellular modems are on the near horizon.
- supportengineer 1y agoYou just made my heart go pitter-patter
- dylan604 1y agoI've been wondering why they haven't had this before even is using 3rd party modems. Seems like an obvious play unless they feel like that would cannibalize their tablet market??
- GeekyBear 1y agoIt is odd that you've long been able to buy a cellular iPad but not a cellular MacBook. Perhaps people who buy a MacBook are likely to have an iPhone in their pocket that will function as a hotspot and iPads are much more often used by people who are otherwise outside of Apple's ecosystem?
- lm28469 1y ago> Perhaps people who buy a MacBook are likely to have an iPhone in their pocket that will function as a hotspot You don't need an iphone, even a $50 phone will hotspot just fine. How many people travel with a laptop but no phone ?
- GeekyBear 1y agoApple cares about ease of use. If you are signed into the same Apple account on your iPhone and your MacBook, the iPhone shows up as a WiFi network option you can select without having to do any additional configuration. It's one of those "It just works" continuity features, like sharing the clipboard between your Mac and iPhone without needing to configure anything.
- mandeepj 1y agoI recently started studying metal, so I was watching their metal choices with a bit of curiosity. Apple switched iPhone 17 Pro from Titanium (used in earlier versions) to aerospace-grade Aluminium for Superior Heat Dissipation. But for the iPhone Air, they are using Titanium because it's lightweight, strong, and durable. Aluminum is definitely a softer metal, so using aerospace-grade aluminum makes sense. So, is Titanium not a good thermal conductor? If it is not, then why is it used in the iPhone Air? Sorry! Their choice is not clear to me. Can someone throw light on it?
- Hamuko 1y agoMy guess would be that an aluminum iPhone Air would bend, so they were forced to make it from titanium to keep it thin.
- mikestew 1y agoSmaller frame on the Air, so titanium for additional strength and resistance to bending?
- ktta 1y agoSince iPhone Air is thinner, it needs to use titanium for the increased rigidity to avoid another iPhone 6-eqsue 'bendgate' at the risk of worse heat dissipation
- runjake 1y agoAluminum conducts heat about 10 times more effectively than titanium. Phone material choices come down to which compromises you will settle for. There are similar compromises with types of glass chosen. One type is more scratch resistance, but more prone to shatter from falls, and vice versa.
- xenonite 1y agoCamera lens angles of the 17 Pro seem strange to me. Either too wide (1x) or too narrow (4x), as seen in the live stream video, which was recorded with the iPhone 17 Pro. I am currently on the 13 Pro, I find the 3x mode ideal for portrait photos and videos. Is it only me with this impression? Could someone help me to jump back into Apple's reality distortion field?
- trymas 1y agoSame. Because zooming from 1x to 3.99x is digital zoom - IMHO too much quality is lost.
- Aloisius 1y agoThe 17 Pro has a much higher resolution camera than the 13 Pro, so even if you center crop of a photo taken with the 2x optical zoom to get you what you'd see with a 3x, it will still be higher resolution than the same photo taken with the 13 Pro. That said, I too like a 70 mm lens, but I long ago got used to just moving closer to or further away from subjects to take photos with dedicated cameras depending on what lens I had on.
- tmaly 1y agoAt the rate of camera image size upgrades, we are going to need a 5TB icloud storage plan.
- Gigachad 1y agoVideo has always been the real storage eater. A few minutes of video is larger than the whole years worth of photos.
- numpy-thagoras 1y agoDon't forget live photos as well
- Gigachad 1y agoLive photos don't use all that much. I went and checked my library and they are all 2-4MB. Which seems to be roughly the same as the non live photos. Vs a 20 second 4k60fps video which was 240MB
- dang 1y agoRelated ongoing threads: Compare the New iPhone Models - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45186294 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45186294 - Sept 2025 (95 comments) iPhone 17 Pro and iPhone 17 Pro Max - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45186044 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45186044 - Sept 2025 (42 comments) iPhone Air - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45186015 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45186015 - Sept 2025 (431 comments)
- snowwrestler 1y agoIt would be cool if these sorts of internal references were implemented as a feature of HN, so the headlines and comment counts are up to date whenever they are displayed.
- dang 1y agoMaybe someday! but it's not always easy to do this without human intervention, since the matches aren't strictly URL based. Maybe a good LLM could do it.
- snowwrestler 1y agoI meant a feature a human activates. Like if you manually drop a HN URL into a comment, the site adds in the visible metadata when it publishes. Or a “related” feature, separate from normal comments, that only admins can access. You manually designate the related posts and then the site displays them dynamically. But yeah, fully automated would be pretty amazing, but challenging.
- toastercat 1y agoI always have a hard time swallowing the price of modern smart phones. Having something so ridiculously expensive and fragile as an everyday carry seems absurd to me. For reference, you can buy two Steam Deck LCDs for the price of one iPhone 17.
- nicoburns 1y agoI agree. I've started thinking about phones like cars. I'd never consider buying a brand new car, and I generally wouldn't buy a brand new phone either (although they're not quite as expensive as cars). I've found that year-old models are typically around half the price of new ones.
- swinglock 1y agoNot iPhones anyway, that's for sure. Not even used. Maybe if it's dodgy.
- pzo 1y ago1 year old sure unlikely 50% cheap but 2 years old for sure can get for 50%. I don't see much difference between iphone 15 pro and iphone 17 pro. Honestly I'm still having iphone 13 mini and don't see much reason to upgrade but if decide to upgrade I will most likely buy 2nd hand iphone 15 pro.
- fruitworks 1y agobut this one can make text messages and calls using the legacy phone system, so it's a totally different product category
- majormajor 1y agoyou're gonna carry those two Steam Decks in your pockets? I think modern smart phones are pretty remarkably un-fragile compared to 20 years ago before the iPhone ($300-700 for a Symbian with a tiny plastic screens that got scratched super fast) or even 10-ish years ago with much more fragile screen glass and cases. Last phone I did major damage to was my HTC Evo in 2012. (That Nokia N95 was in 2007 dollars, too!)
- doctoboggan 1y agoI am looking to upgrade my phone, and at the same time leave my carrier (Verizon). The price I pay for 2 people compared to the price I see out there for other carriers is just too large. Any suggestions for me while I shop around for "tier 2" carriers? I am primarily concerned with price, and then network coverage second (I am OK with sometimes being throttled, but would prefer to avoid large gaps in any coverage).
- samename 1y agoI use Visible which uses Verizon’s network, at a steep discount. Never had any issues.
- doctoboggan 1y agoYeah Visible keeps popping up on recommendation threads. I'll take a look at their offers. Do you suggest I buy a phone through them, or purchase from apple directly and bring it to the plan?
- samename 1y agoUnless they offer a discount, there won’t be a benefit buying through them, especially with eSIM.
- dylan604 1y agoWhat happens when the sub-carrier gets deprioritized so that the main carrier's customers get priority? How frequently does your bandwidth suffer? You say never, but is that really the case or you've just become used to it? I know several people on these places like Boost or Metro or whatever, and their streaming experiences definitely take hits
- vel0city 1y agoI use Mint which was an MVNO for T-Mobile. They've since been acquired by T-Mobile, but I haven't really experienced any difference in service. I also haven't used Visible, so I can't directly speak to that but Visible is owned by Verizon FWIW. I probably experience times with deprioritization. 5G service can go from getting several hundred megabits with pretty low latencies to only getting a few megabits with potentially up to 100ms or so latency, depending on crowds. I don't recall any times where I had good signal but couldn't get any data, but definitely been in places where it'll struggle to do video chats or something at a big live event that doesn't have the extra 5G infra deployed. For example, an extra large crowd at the park for some event will probably give poor network experience but I'll otherwise get good connectivity in a modern sports arena. In the end it's just a value proposition. Is having really fast network everywhere, all the time really that worth it to you? For many the answer is yes. But for me, on my personal device, if I'm getting poor data rates that's probably a clue I should really be putting my phone down and get back into whatever is happening in the park so I don't mind and the savings are quite nice.
- hnalien 1y agoSo there is no more 'Plus' version? That was the sweet spot for many - non-pro pricing, yet the same large screen as the pro max. RIP
- dmix 1y agoHN is always saying Apple has too many models where it's hard to choose and how they should go back to a simple line up.
- Macha 1y agoI'm actually considering buying myself an iPhone for the first time. I have basically two priorities when buying an phone: 1. Freedom. I should be able to build and run apps on it without the platform holder having a barrier on it. 2. Privacy. The phone shouldn't be an object to track me for better ad sales or any other purpose. Of course, priority 1 has until recently always led to Android while priority 2 has always led to Apple. But with the upcoming announced changes where google is going to require registration and signing for even third party sideloaded apps, while at the same time the EU is forcing Apple to open up and allow sideloading, it seems pretty clear that in the near future both Apple and Google's policies regarding point 1 are going to converge. On a position less free than Android has hitherto been, and less free than I would like, but unfortunately they are the two options on the market. So with priority 1 no longer a differentiating factor, it comes down to priority 2. I've used both Android and iOS over the years, as while my personal phones have always been Android, my employer provided phones have always been iOS. I think I do prefer the Android user experience and have used enough of both that that's not just a factor of which I'm accustomed to, but it's also not the huge difference it once was for a lot of apps. Right now I'm using a Pixel 7 Pro and I might weigh sitting it out another year, but my USB-C port is failing and I'm also watching the pixel battery issues creep up the model range to newer and newer models...
- timwis 1y agoWell said! I share those two priorities, and am now moving in the inverse direction, but I plan to use GrapheneOS.
- fsflover 1y agoIt seems you are searching for Librem 5 (my daily driver). It runs PureOS (a Debian derivative) and turns into a desktop when connected to a screen and keyboard.
- Macha 1y agoIt doesn't run my banks' apps so it can't be more than a secondary device for playing around.
- drumhead 1y agoI've got a Pixel, this new iPhone hasnt got anything that convinces me to move to Apple. There's nothing compelling there, not technologically or aesthetically. Yes its more powerful, but what do they do with that power but play games? Until some new application emerges where that much power is needed I'll stick to the cheaper phones.
- lazycouchpotato 1y ago256 GB base storage without a price increase is good to see. Makes the Mac Mini look weird now with 256 GB base storage. Pretty shameful of Google to stick to 128 GB on the Pixel 10.
- _aavaa_ 1y agoThe pixel 10 is different trade off. Base pixel is cheaper than base iPhone and has an extra camera, upgrading it to 256 gets you slightly more expensive. And for the pro models it flips with the pixel cheaper even with same storage.
- lazycouchpotato 1y agoBase Pixel 10 is the same as iPhone 17 at USD 800. Yes the Pixel 10 now has telephoto but they nerfed the cameras from the Pixel 9 for that. In the Pro models for both the pricing is comparable, yeah. Also realized that Apple charges $200 to jump from 256 GB to 512 GB. That's ridiculous.
- sotix 1y agoI've been waiting for this for a year, but I'm a bit disappointed. It's larger than the 17 and 17 pro, and it weighs more than my SE 3rd gen. The price is also insane. It costs the same as an entire computer. I just want a lightweight device that makes calls, send texts, can snap a quick photo, has maps, mobile payments, and can order a cab. These phones are clearly aimed at consuming content, and I've been pushed out of the market. What to do?
- seanmcdirmid 1y agoYou can still buy a decent budget android phone that meets most of your requirements for only a few hundred dollars. The Samsung Galaxy M56 5G is only $400. The pixel 9a is only $499. Android probably has something that you are looking for, Apple isn't really competing in that space.
- Copernicron 1y agoEvery single new iPhone costs more than $1000 in Canada. Even the older/cheaper models cost more than $1000 after tax and environment fees. I knew this day was coming but damn.
- numpy-thagoras 1y agoI will upgrade when I see actual 10x optical zoom
- exabrial 1y agoI would really like stainless as a material, not AL/TI alloy. It'd be a few grams difference, but infinitely more scratch and bend resistant. Maybe if the Larrin Thomas came up with some catchy new stainless formulation and called it AppleCut or something...
- rafram 1y agoPre-iPhone 15, the Pro models used stainless steel for the frame. Not sure exactly why they ditched it, but it did have a reputation for collecting fingerprints.
- npunt 1y agoThe weight difference in the hand between the 14 pro in stainless and the 15 pro in titanium is considerable, I use both every day. Sometimes weight is a way to denote solid and premium like in watches, but with the size of phones and how we use them, being lightweight is really where it’s at.
- ksec 1y agoIt seems strange no one is giving any credit to 17, when it is one of the best value iPhone Apple has to offer for quite some time. It is either equal to or better than iPhone 16 Pro. A year ago iPhone 16 Pro 256Gb would be $1099, iPhone 17 256GB today is $799, with a better SoC, better WiFi, same display and ProMotion, better screen protective layer. The only thing worst is the lack of Telephoto camera.