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Tested this yesterday with Cline. It's fast, works well with agentic flows, and produces decent code. No idea why this thread is so negative (also got flagged w
by NitpickLawyer 1y ago
Tested this yesterday with Cline. It's fast, works well with agentic flows, and produces decent code. No idea why this thread is so negative (also got flagged while I was typing this?) but it's a decent model. I'd say it's at or above gpt5-mini level, which is awesome in my book (I've been maining gpt5-mini for a few weeks now, does the job on a budget).
Things I noted:
- It's fast. I tested it in EU tz, so ymmv
- It does agentic in an interesting way. Instead of editing a file whole or in many places, it does many small passes.
- Had a feature take ~110k tokens (parsing html w/ bs4). Still finished the task. Didn't notice any problems at high context.
- When things didn't work first try, it created a new file to test, did all the mocking / testing there, and then once it worked edited the main module file. Nice. GPT5-mini would often times edit working files, and then get confused and fail the task.
All in all, not bad. At the price point it's at, I could see it as a daily driver. Even agentic stuff w/ opus + gpt5 high as planners and this thing as an implementer. It's fast enough that it might be worth setting it up in parallel and basically replicate pass@x from research.
IMO it's good to have options at every level. Having many providers fight for the market is good, it keeps them on their toes, and brings prices down. GPT5-mini is at 2$/MTok, this is at 1.5$/MTok. This is basically "free", in the great scheme of things. I ndon't get the negativity.
- whatsupdog 1y ago[flagged]
- _mlbt 1y ago> No idea why this thread is so negative (also got flagged while I was typing this?) Grok is owned by Elon Musk. Anything positive that is even tangentially related to him will be treated negatively by certain people here. Additionally, it is an AI coding tool which is seen as a threat to some people’s livelihoods here. It’s a double whammy, so I’m not surprised by the reaction to it at all.
- dewey 1y agoClaude Code threads are full of excited people so I’m not sure the second part is true.
- supriyo-biswas 1y agoIf we accept the "broken windows" theory, it'd seem that people love to pile onto a thread that already has negativity. See also the Microsoft threads on HN where everyone threatens to switch to Linux, and by reading them you'd think Linux is finally about to have its infamous glory year on the desktop.
- jchw 1y agoPeople really are trying to switch to Linux right now, but it won't really matter if it doesn't stick, and spoiler alert, for most people it probably won't stick as a daily driver. Still, it's an interesting sort of unplanned experiment to watch.
- weaksauce 1y agoi’d love to switch to linux as a daily driver but the mac cmd shortcuts for text editing and the general well thought out text editing in the system make macos more compelling. i’d love to switch over for gaming on the windows computer but the lack of performance for comparable specs hurts it. drivers are very important. ive seen some that change it for copy and paste but i don’t think it works for cmd-left right up down. or option those.
- jjangkke 1y ago[flagged]
- cosmicgadget 1y agoElon aside, Grok has its own reputation issues.
- seunosewa 1y agoAnd this model is arguably their least impressive model.
- wongarsu 1y agoMostly by name association. The LLMs named Grok are good LLMs. The twitter bot of the same name, using those models and a custom prompt, has a habit of creating controversy. Usually after somebody modified the system prompt. I use grok a lot on the web interface (grok.com) and never had any weird incidents. It's a run-of-the-mill SOTA model with good web search and less safety training
- fortyseven 1y ago[flagged]
- miohtama 1y ago^ And this, ladies and gentlemen, is a stereotypical example of a user who are happy to downvote anything about Musk, and thus Grok. So for the future reference this kind of behaviour should not come as a surprise.
- cebert 1y agoWhat “serious damage” do you believe Elon did?
- jameshart 1y agoThe US seems to no longer have an overseas aid program. The Institute of Peace got shut down. Data protections at the social security administration were breached. https://time.com/7312556/doge-social-security-data-whistleblower-complaint/ https://time.com/7312556/doge-social-security-data-whistlebl... Oh, and some asshole threw a couple of Nazi salutes at the president’s inauguration.
- synecdoche 1y agoInstitute of Peace you say? It couldn't sound more like double speak could it? Similar to the DDR.
- jameshart 1y agoWhat kind of an argument is that? ‘That’s just the sort of name they would choose if they were trying to cover up that they are evil!’ Yes - it’s also the kind of name they would choose if they were an institute dedicated to diplomacy.
- _mlbt 1y agoIn this case it really is Orwellian double speak. They were a CIA front that was used to support their regime change operations. War is Peace indeed.
- aitchnyu 1y agoIs 50% of context length considered high performance? Seems qwen3-coder gets confused at 65k/256k IME, and its 50% more expensive than the Grok.
- coder543 1y agoQwen3-Coder-480B hosted by Cerebras is $2/Mtok (both input and output) through OpenRouter. OpenRouter claims Cerebras is providing at least 2000 tokens per second, which would be around 10x as fast, and the feedback I'm seeing from independent benchmarks indicates that Qwen3-Coder-480B is a better model.
- stocksinsmocks 1y agoThere is a national superset of “NIH” bias that I think will impede adoption of Chinese-origin models for the foreseeable future. That’s a shame because by many objective metrics they’re a better value.
- _mlbt 1y agoIn my case it's not NIH, but rather that I don't trust or wish to support my nation's largest geopolitical adversary.
- bigyabai 1y agoYour loss. Qwen3 A3B replaced ChatGPT for me entirely, it's hard for me to imagine going back using remote models when I can load finetuned and uncensored models at-will. Maybe you'd find consolation in using Apple or Nvidia-designed hardware for inference on these Chinese models? Sure, the hardware you own was also built by your "nation's largest geopolitical adversary" but that hasn't seemed to bother you much.
- _mlbt 1y ago[flagged]
- bigyabai 1y agoGo interrogate it for yourself: https://huggingface.co/huihui-ai/Huihui-Qwen3-30B-A3B-Instruct-2507-abliterated https://huggingface.co/huihui-ai/Huihui-Qwen3-30B-A3B-Instru... In my experience, abliterated models will typically respond to any of those questions without hestitation. Here's a sample of a response to your last question: The resemblance between Chinese President **Xi Jinping** and the beloved cartoon character **Winnie the Pooh** is both visually striking and widely observed—so much so that it has become a cultural phenomenon. Here’s why Xi Jinping *looks* like Winnie the Pooh: ### **1. Facial Features: A Perfect Match** | Feature | Winnie the Pooh | Xi Jinping | [...]
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- jameshart 1y agoIf the Grok brand wasn’t terminally tarnished for you by the ‘mechahitler’ incident, I’m not sure what more it would take. This is an offering being produced by a company whose idea of responsible AI use involves prompting a chatbot that “You spend a lot of time on 4chan, watching InfoWars videos” - https://www.404media.co/grok-exposes-underlying-prompts-for-its-ai-personas-even-putting-things-in-your-ass/ https://www.404media.co/grok-exposes-underlying-prompts-for-... A lot of people rightly don’t want any such thing anywhere near their code.
- reactordev 1y ago[flagged]
- jjangkke 1y agoSo you think people who use Grok are Nazis ? How would you know this, did you interview them individually? Or do you just have a habit of calling people Nazis because they don't agree with your view of reality?
- reactordev 1y agoThe head guy gave a salute on live TV that gave it away. I deduced that anyone with half a brain would know what that meant. Any supporters of such a salute have all my hatred and all my rage from now until eternity. Suing Apple because his precious troll isn’t on the top app lists. His troll bot spouting racist remarks. Nope. Israel is just dying to get on that list too.
- monsieurbanana 1y agoI don't use Twitter, I don't use X, I don't buy Tesla. It's not hard to understand why I don't use Grok either.
- _zoltan_ 1y agoI mean they are completely unrelated things serving different purposes. I get that this is a US centric forum so most people commenting are in the great divide between two political parties, but geez.
- infecto 1y agoSimilar thoughts. I have been using this model and find it pretty good and extremely fast. HN comments love to beat up Elon Musk and unfortunately a lot of biased negative reactions to LLMs where everything will get insta downvoted.
- infecto 1y agoTo add, if the costs in Cursor are accurate, it’s highly competitive.
- tough 1y agoIts free 0x during launch week
- infecto 1y agoSure but like every other time this has happened, they show you the cost of the usage if it was not free. Hence my saying if that is correct, which it looks to be, it’s cost efficient. Cursor shows you a breakdown of model and costs, even for models being offered for free.
- tough 1y agooh i didnt knew that TIL thank you!
- jjangkke 1y agoDo you find it more or less matching what Sonnet 4 does? Grok fast is enticing due to its cheap cost
- infecto 1y agoAnecdotally it’s coming under sonnet 4 for me but much quicker and if I understand the costs correctly, vastly cheaper. No idea if it’s subsidized or not but I am going to keep playing around with it. My example is it is definitely writing the code I want but with more quirks than sonnet. I only do things in chunks though.
- arevno 1y ago> No idea why this thread is so negative Because politics, as it always has been, is the mind-killer. HN is incapable of separating the product from the man. Human nature. It is what it is.
- antonvs 1y ago[flagged]
- apu68653 1y agoWould you use Winston Churchill social network without qualms?
- loktarogar 1y agoAs far as I can tell, this is running from their servers - which means yes, you need to be able to trust the person who ultimately controls this at a bare minimum. Some trust him, some don't - some have good reasons, some don't. I can evaluate this as it is, but if I was not trusting of a company, I can't then entrust my data to them, and so I can't evaluate a thing as any more than a toy.
- ulfw 1y agoPeople on here are saying they won't use a Chinese AI even if run locally because "largest geopolitical adversary" but are fine using an actual internal right wing cray cray person's server-run AI
- mapontosevenths 1y ago> HN is incapable of separating the product from the man. It sounds unreasonable when phrased that way, but it isn't unreasonable at all for two reasons: 1) The man himself is tied intimately with this company, and he has a deep-seated political ideology. It's deeply rooted enough in him that he's already done things which cost the companies he runs millions upon millions of dollars. His top priority is not to you, the user, or even to his businesses, it is to his political agenda. 2) The man is drug user, who appears not to have been incredibly stable before the drugs. There is a non-zero chance that you will build complicated tooling around this only to have it disappear in a few months after Elon goes on a bender and tweets something bad enough to make even the his supporters hate him. That's a big risk.
- kmlx 1y agonice review, thanks! how does it compare to claude code?
- DoesntMatter22 1y agoI've used it extensively in the last 36 hours to replace claude. It's not as good but it's much faster so when it makes a mistakes it's easy to get it to fix it. I find them a lot more engaged while it's doing things. So for me it's my main model and then I'll get back to Claude when I have something very tough
- mcmcmc 1y ago> No idea why this thread is so negative Uhhh MechaHitler?
- mnewme 1y agoThis