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Framework Laptop 16
- subarctic 1y agoI've been a 13" laptop user since forever, so I'm kind of curious, what's the target user and usecase for this laptop? Gamers and people who need a bigger screen?
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- utbabya 1y agoGiven the 2.1kg after detaching the graphic module and the seemingly large battery capacity for on the go sessions, it's so close to a laptop that fits all my use cases. Although from what I've read 8GB of VRAM seems insufficiently near-future proof, so I've always been eyeing 5070ti+ laptops. I wonder if there's any technical blocker that prevents offering 5070ti or the amd equivalent.
- rjzzleep 1y agoThat is really cool. One thing I have to ask though. Does the Framework have the same problem as other bottom intake fans that collect dust inside the fan?
- nrp 1y agoIt really depends on your usage environment, but one good thing is that its probably easier to clean the fans on a Framework Laptop than on most other laptops!
- criddell 1y agoStill hoping for a fanless model one day.
- SirHumphrey 1y agoThey do sell risc development boards- i hope that either that becomes mature or a more efficient arm soc becomes an option.
- robotnikman 1y agohopefully such Arm option would have Arm SystemReady Compliance so you could just install whatever distro you want on it
- KyleBerezin 1y agoI found this to be the opposite of true. There is no easy way to clean the fan on the fw-13. You either need to take the mainboard out completely and disassemble the housing around the fan, or take the entire radiator off from the top and re-paste the cpu. I resorted to using a pick through the small gap on the top. I would say the fw-13 is the hardest to clean of any computer I've owned lately.
- jcotton42 1y agoThe fans on my 16 are really easy to get to for cleaning.
- okucu 1y agoDo they sound like jet engines? Nobody ever talks about noise
- KyleBerezin 1y agoOh boy do they. I have a fw-13 and I think it is the biggest issue with this machine. Cleaning it is not trivial either, harder than most laptops in fact.
- nrp 1y agoI'm happy to answer questions around the new product.
- joombaga 1y agoWill my Valve Index work with it? I was sad to find it doesn't work with my Intel Core Framework 13, even on Windows.
- nileshtrivedi 1y agoETA on launching in India?
- vishnugupta 1y agoCame here to ask exactly this.
- Deuter8 1y agoI literally just want a touchpad with buttons. These new 'clickpads' are the bane of my existence. They are so much slower, and certain workflows are impossible. I must use an external mouse now with modern laptops. Why can no laptop manufacturer even make this an option?
- criddell 1y agoWhat workflows are impossible with a trackpad but possible with a mouse?
- diggan 1y agoWith the trackpads that have built-in clicks in the pad itself, I've always found it really difficult to drag-and-drop stuff if it has to be pulled longer than a few pixels. Just moving and pressing against a surface seems to not be a super accurate movement in general.
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- digdugdirk 1y agoRandom question for framework owners - my 1st gen Framework 13 recently started screaming it's fans all day, every day, even when it's asleep. Where's the best places to go for troubleshooting, user guides, etc? I've played with all the bios and framework settings I can find, so I'm guessing it's hardware related, if that changes the resource recommendations.
- mixmastamyk 1y agoClean the air intakes, disable all startup tasks, reboot.
- archvile 1y agoDo you have a way to test the temps? It could just need a simple repaste.
- nrp 1y agoRepaste is a likely solution, since that generation was before we switched to Honeywell phase change thermal interface material. Traditional thermal paste will slowly pump out over time. We do have Honeywell material in our Marketplace. You can also reach out to our support team for help.
- diggan 1y ago> Where's the best places to go for troubleshooting, user guides, etc? I guess general "laptop maintenance" guides should be good enough? Guides that mention things like "Clean out all the dust/vent-junk once every X months/years" (if you have pets, you can't do this often enough it seems) and "redoing the thermal paste each X year".
- Bolwin 1y agocommunity.frame.work What OS are you on? Also try opening it up, there just be some dust stuck in there or something
- rsyring 1y ago> Where's the best places to go for troubleshooting, user guides, etc? - Framework community forums: https://community.frame.work/ https://community.frame.work/ - Framework guides: https://guides.frame.work/c/Root https://guides.frame.work/c/Root
- OnionBlender 1y agoWhy did provide a link that defaults to Romanian prices?
- aaomidi 1y agoBecause its /ro/
- daemonologist 1y agoPresumably OP is Romanian/in Romania. Here is the default link (US): https://frame.work/laptop16?tab=whats-new https://frame.work/laptop16?tab=whats-new
- DiabloD3 1y agoKinda wish you guys didn't have an Nvidia product at all. It's only really useful for Windows users, but openly hostile and offensive to Linux desktop users.
- kurtoid 1y agoChoice is good, IMO. I've had good experience w/ Nvidia cards with the new open drivers on wayland
- andrewmcwatters 1y agoAnd the Nvidia option is a 5070 with no better options, so while I’d love to support Framework, there’s no point when MSI regularly ships better products.
- gjsman-1000 1y agoFramework purchasers != Linux users
- tracker1 1y agoTBF, almost everyone I know who is considering Framework intends to run Linux on it. It's far less of a crapshoot compared to other vendors/models.
- DiabloD3 1y agoI don't know a single person that bought a Framework and put Windows on it as the primary OS. I wish Framework would actually find out what their customers are using, maybe with a survey, because I'd be highly surprised if it was less than 2/3rds Linux (or other FOSS).
- AndroidKitKat 1y agoI keep Windows on my Framework (11th gen Intel) because using Linux on it makes it suffer from inability to sleep and terrible battery life. I've tried all the tricks to make Linux work and I've only eeked out an extra hour of use, if that.
- kurtoid 1y agoI just bought a Framework 16 7840HS last week and now it's 7% off. Guess I should have waited a little longer. Glad to see they're committing to upgrades for it, though, so I guess it was still a good investment
- diggan 1y ago> I just bought a 7840HS and now it's 7% off Write them and ask if you could get the rebate. The times I've had this happened to me when shopping from small/medium-sized businesses they've been nice enough to either give me a refund for the difference, or at least a coupon for future purchases.
- andrewmcwatters 1y agoWill Framework ever ship high-end laptops, or is the niche always going to be low-to-mid spec repairable? The specification targets on them are always chronically low.
- miloignis 1y agoWhat does high-end mean to you/what specs do you find to be too low? I've found them plenty powerful for a dev machine.
- adgjlsfhk1 1y agoWhat do you mean by high end? The Framework 13 can be configured with an AMD AI 370 (12 cores/24 threads zen5), a 2.8k 120 hz display, 96GB of ram and an 8TB SSD. That seems pretty high end to me?
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- lushy-typeable 1y agoIt would be nice to see a 5070 Ti, 5080, or even Quadro-grade RTX 5000 ADA for graphics-oriented workloads. I'm not sure the type-c (200-230w) would be sufficient to run these cards at their reccomended TGP (150w) + CPU (50w) + charge - not that most 16" productivity-oriented notebooks do (70-115W).
- regularfry 1y agoThe spec says the type-C PSU is 240W, which is faintly terrifying.
- lushy-typeable 1y agoIssue is that the circuitry to convert the USB-C PD 20V to e.g. 12V and 5V for componenets results in a power loss - so realistically take 5-10% off any USB-C adapter's wattage. Gaming/productivity laptops of similar size ship with 300W power bricks now (e.g. MSI Vector 16 HX AI with RTX5090 ships with a 330W adapter to satisfy its 240W system power). It's also why most still use their own connector (ASUS decided to use their own connector due to conversion efficiency and heat issues with USB-C at high wattage). Still, 330W pales in comparison of the TGP of a desktop-class RTX5070 (requires 250W). Nevermind the RTX5090's requirements (575W).
- dismalaf 1y agoVery nice. Glad Framework finally updated the CPU/APU on this because I really want the Ryzen AI APU in a 16 inch form factor (I don't care about dedicated GPUs though).
- umbra07 1y agoMy understanding was that there's not really anything you can do with the NPU yet?
- kieranl 1y agoCopilot supports it. And on windows you can try AMD tools like https://github.com/lemonade-sdk/lemonade https://github.com/lemonade-sdk/lemonade to run arbitrary LLMs. AMD is actively developing support for the NPU.
- dismalaf 1y agoDrivers for it are in Linux 6.14. That doesn't matter much for most people though. The actual benefit is that the integrated GPU is very beefy.
- vzaliva 1y agoThe idea of Framework laptops sounds great! But I’m wondering: has anyone done an economic analysis comparing buying a Framework laptop a few years ago and gradually upgrading it, versus buying a similar popular brand laptop and just upgrading by getting a new model? I’m not trolling, I’m genuinely considering Framework as my next laptop.
- moelf 1y agoI think a large economic value also comes from repair-ability. If nothing ever breaks (until battery dies), I don't think anyone can compete with entry level MacBook in terms of experience/price.
- bee_rider 1y agoApple is impossible to compare against in the sense that MacOS is a giant question-mark, with an unknown positive or negative value, depending on the user. I guess we could do an apples-to-apples comparison (Linux or Windows performance on Macs that have it). Not sure how that works out, though.
- Aurornis 1y agoI’ve had to get a couple MacBook Airs and MacBook Pros repaired by Apple when we took over an office that didn’t have IT staff. It was surprisingly not as expensive as I thought it would be. There are also 3rd party options that will swap in parts for you or try to repair things. It’s not as satisfying as ordering the parts and changing it out yourself but at this point I don’t prioritize repairs or failures in my buying decisions any more.
- nickjj 1y ago> I don't think anyone can compete with entry level MacBook in terms of experience/price. It depends on what you want. About a week ago I got a new 15" laptop with a Ryzen 7 6800H (8 cores / 16 threads) | Radeon 680M | 32 GB of RAM | 1 TB SSD | 1080p IPS panel for $570 USD. That 680m is an integrated GPU that can use up to 8 GB of your system RAM for its VRAM. I put Arch Linux on it and it's quite nice. Things are very snappy. A Macbook Air is almost 4x the price with the same memory / storage or 2x if you're ok with 16 GB of memory and a 256 GB SSD. No doubt the Air is going to be lighter, have better battery life and be quieter but this other one isn't too bad. Sure it has fans and sure it weighs 4.5 pounds but it's not a deal breaker.
- opengears 1y agoI am wondering about the RAM extensibility. The 7040 can be extended to have 128GB RAM (for example Crucial CT2K64G56C46S5) - anyone knows if the same still works?
- nrp 1y agoWe're testing those specific modules now. Initial testing shows that it should work the same as on 7040 Series, but we will complete validation before updating our Knowledge Base article on memory compatibility.
- ChrisArchitect 1y agoBlog post: https://frame.work/blog/introducing-the-new-framework-laptop-16-with-nvidia https://frame.work/blog/introducing-the-new-framework-laptop...
- WhyNotHugo 1y ago> The Framework Laptop 16 is designed with Linux in mind Weird phrasing. The #1 rule if you're getting hardware to run Linux is: don't by Nvidia.
- awkwardpotato 1y agoYou can also get an AMD RX 7700S module instead
- tracker1 1y agoNot to mention, the integrated GPU is decent for casual use as well. Though you probably want to run a distro that will get a 6.16+ kernel update sooner than later for improved support of the "AI" models.
- rootnod3 1y agoWould love to get my hands on one, but as of yet no shipping to Japan. Once it ships here, I will buy instantly.
- kombine 1y agoI love the modularity, but unlike the 13" version this one is just too bulky. For this reason I am eyeing up Thinkpad P1, even though it is only available with an Intel CPU.
- NoboruWataya 1y agoDo you mean it's bulky even compared to other 16" laptops, or just that a 16" laptop is too bulky for you? Because I know they're not for everyone but I like larger laptops (am currently on 15.6") and was pleasantly surprised when they came out with the 16" as I thought the trend was generally towards smaller laptops.
- kombine 1y agoThinkpad P1 is 1.8kg whereas Framework 16" is 2.4kg - substantial difference. And P1 even looks less bulkier overall. This is quite unfortunate, because I would rather buy Framework than Lenovo.
- criddell 1y agoI use a P1 and I don't think I'd buy another. The fan runs a lot. When I carry it in my backpack, I have to remember to do a complete shutdown otherwise I'll pull a very hot machine with a mostly depleted battery out of my backpack when I get to my destination. Outside of Apple, there doesn't seem to be many good fanless laptops. I'd love to see Framework come up with something.
- kombine 1y agoThanks for the info! My current laptop is T14s Gen 3 which I find perfect, but the screen size is a big insufficient for programming. I will be looking for a 16" laptop and currently there aren't that many options with a centred keyboard.
- adduc 1y agoThe launch video for this new Framework Laptop 16 mentioned firmware improvements to disable wake on keypress when the laptop's screen is closed, specifically to prevent the type of situation you mentioned. I've personally experienced similar issues with an XPS 15 in the past; I'm hopeful this type of change will help.
- trostaft 1y agoAs an owner of the original FW16, I'm really happy with this update! I hope that there's some news on an external case for old mainboards.
- lushy-typeable 1y agoHopefully this will be taken more seriously in the gaming laptop/productivity market. I'm really glad there's a properly repairable, relatively open high performance laptop. Is there any plans or similar for a 14in GPU enabled (with a decent TGP) laptop? I got a 14in laptop recently and find it very good for a power/perforamnce tradeoff (ASUS G14 or Razer Blade 14). Not to mention the amazing battery life.
- Monotoko 1y agoI built my ideal laptop... 4TB storage, the 5070, all the mods I would need, and it comes to $4000+ :( My ASUS ROG Strix cost me $1500 back when the 3080's were new and has a 3080. Have prices risen that much?
- bcrosby95 1y agoI built a ROG Zephyrus equivalent: The ROG is $2,100 and the Framework is $2700. So its more expensive but not $1500 vs $4000 expensive. This was comparing the lowest end model ROG because that's the only one with a 5070. It was also 100% like-for-like, such as paying for windows, something I personally wouldn't do with a framework.
- rsyring 1y agoBuy the core parts from Framework and then buy & install things like NVMe and memory yourself. Will save a considerable amount.
- Monotoko 1y agoAye that's not a bad plan, to be honest I think my Strix still has a few years left at least but we'll see.
- jijijijij 1y agoJudging by my experience with the Framework 13, you gain basically nothing going pre-built. The DIY work required is laughable. It's so, so easy and simple. If you don't account for nervousness, you could do it in 5 min, no problem. Comes with a very nice little screw driver, which is all you need.
- stijnveken 1y agoStorage is expensive at framework. I bought the storage for my 16 elsewhere and it was substantially cheaper.
- ponector 1y agoI had Asus ROG zephyrus M16 2021 and it's a hot piece of shit considering €2500 sticker price.
- bodge5000 1y agoI'm glad the AMD GPU option still exists, I don't have great experience with NVIDIA on Linux. The rest of the upgrades, like the new top cover and keyboard, are very welcome
- rauli_ 1y agoIt's so weird to hear people who have problems with NVIDIA GPUs on Linux, because for me it's always been the opposite. I have had problems with AMD but never with NVIDIA.
- lotharcable 1y agoThings have changed a lot since Steam deck. Especially in the last 3 or 4 years. Mobile users suffer more problems then people with dedicated desktop GPUs, but it still gotten a lot better. The one thing to be careful about AMD GPUs is that for most GPU OEMs AMD is just a after thought. So they get sub-par QA and heatsinks compared to their more popular Nvidia models. It is best to go with card makers that only sell AMD GPUs, like Sapphire, PowerColor, and XFX. I am partial to Sapphire.
- seanw444 1y agoHad good experiences with XFX so far as well.
- aidenn0 1y agoWhen the AMD driver was named "radeon" nvidia was better, but since "amdgpu" came out things have flipped.
- TomLisankie 1y agoIs this because the driver itself has changed in its operation or just from the name change breaking lots of code that referenced the "radeon" name?
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- OsrsNeedsf2P 1y agoI'm really pleased with my Framework 16. The peace of mind knowing I _can_ replace individual parts is fantastic.
- 9x39 1y agoAnyone using Framework for a daily driver that can compare to an M-series Macbook? Specifically, battery life on your OS. Does anything compare to a MBP these days? From a value proposition, it seems good. Our group definitely goes through keyboards and mainboards from spilled tea at least annually it seems, but AppleCare is just a no-brainer, and away we go. I still drive on my original M1 at home without complaint, and use my M3 at work. Anyone have the early Frameworks still in daily use? How are they?
- yogorenapan 1y agoI have an early batch framework (i7 11th gen) still in use (I have no other laptops or a PC). A few benefits I've gotten out of it: - I spilled almost a liter of milk on my keyboard, really gummed it up. Keys stopped working. Got it replaced for pretty cheap. - Linux just works. No weird driver issues But... - Battery life is horrible. I pretty much just have it plugged in whenever I can. When off battery, I use the cpupower frequency set command to limit to 1000MHz which is fast enough for vim anyways. Compiling stuff becomes a bit slower but since I write Go, it's not too bad. - Fan noise is loud - My specific laptop had a weird sensor bug where it would sometimes randomly get throttled to 200 MHz. Framework didn't really help or replace it. Honestly it'll probably last me another 5 years before I need to switch out the mainboard. I don't do anything intense like gaming.
- danudey 1y agoFWIW, I had a Dell laptop that I put Ubuntu 22.04 on when I got it, and the battery life was atrocious; closing everything except Firefox, closing every FF tab but one, stopping background services, setting the screen to half brightness, I got about an hour and a half of battery life. Went and installed Slimbook Battery and left it at default settings and got several more hours of battery life without having to close everything. Had to reinstall later and just installed TLP and left it at default settings and still getting far better battery life. Not sure why Ubuntu is so cripplingly bad out of the box when it's so easy to fix, but if you haven't tried that it might be worth checking out.
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- poisonborz 1y agoFantastic update, it has everything that made the first version a dealbreaker for me - it was just too weak. I feared Framework will position its 2in1 as a "student laptop", glad to hear they expand on it. We sorely need more competition in the 2in1 segment, there aren't many good options. Either gaming laptops (no long commitment, bad build quality) or Lenovo Yogas (bad value, limited/weak hw options).
- ffin 1y agoI think you may be confused. This is an upgrade for the Framework 16, not the Framework 12, which is the 2-in-1.
- poisonborz 1y agoOh true :( The above comment then is a wish for a similar upgrade.
- toastal 1y agostill no OLED
- ed_mercer 1y agoIs this really a valid complaint? From what I've read most pro users still prefer IPS over OLED.
- account42 1y agoIt absolutely is a valid complaint. Having true blacks is a night and day difference that you don't want to go back on once you have experienced it. OTOH many OLED panels have weird sub-pixel layouts that are bad for text display but that's something that Framework is a better position to have input on than an end user.
- rafram 1y agoPricing is... steep. Almost $2500 before tax for a very mid-tier gaming laptop.
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- dangus 1y agoIt’s not really a gaming laptop, it’s more like a workstation that happens to be decent at gaming. They’ve even mentioned in another video I watched that their fastest growing segment is business customers. Their systems have unique features and value proposition nobody else is offering so they can charge more than competitors. Let’s also not forget that the gaming market does have a high end segment that is definitely in this price range. This costs less than a Razer Blade 16 with the same GPU. If you’re trying to compare a Framework to throwaway MSI trash with horrendous longevity that just isn’t an equivalent product. Might as well be saying “why buy a Toyota RAV4 when a Dodge Hornet is cheaper?” Well, one of those is priced higher because it’s a better long-term buy.
- account42 1y ago> Their systems have unique features and value proposition nobody else is offering so they can charge more than competitors. But that also puts them out of the market of users where those unique features would be a selling point but are not required which is probably much bigger.
- dangus 1y agoYes, that’s the idea. Dell and HP cover the much bigger market. If you don’t need unique features there are other choices on the market. Framework is filling a previously unmet demand. It could certainly be called a niche but they have been doing quite well for themselves in that space.
- tasuki 1y agoMy experience with all these high-powered laptops is that they overheat and throttle when under load. I prefer the low-wattage CPUs and intel graphics: they don't overheat and the battery lasts much longer.
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- xyst 1y agoThis is awesome. Love the ability to upgrade as needed. I would honestly buy one and load it up with nixOS. My journey to exit the Apple wall has almost come to an end.
- capyba 1y agoI’m out of the loop with laptop processors and GPU performance measured in “AI TOPS”. I’m not “doing AI” locally on my laptop, are those AMD processors of any use to me? I’m familiar with traditional X86_64 CPU architectures, I just don’t understand what (if any) extra bells and whistles the “AI” chips offer.
- kristianp 1y agoYou've got a 16 inch Laptop, why are the arrow keys so tiny! And where's the PgUp PgDn Home End Insert Delete cluster? I wish a design-based shop like Framework would have some leadership in the keyboard area. This is why I have been exclusively Thinkpads for my last 3 laptops. Something more niche is that I also enjoy the mouse buttons above the trackpad, I can move with the thumb and click with a finger.
- diggernet 1y agoMy fantasy for the Laptop 16 keyboard: Optional taller hinges and thicker bezel. Think about it... Replacement hinges that separate the upper and lower shell by an extra 1/8-1/4" plus a thicker bezel to fill that gap. Suddenly (at the cost of a thicker laptop, for those of us who don't mind) you have extra space under the screen for longer key throw, contoured key caps, trackpoint, arrow keys that overlap the lower deck to allow a proper inverted-T layout, etc. Maybe even possible to retrofit old ThinkPad keyboards in there. Hey, I can dream, can't I?
- cuddlybacon 1y ago> Something more niche is that I also enjoy the mouse buttons above the trackpad, I can move with the thumb and click with a finger. This logic is why I like the tiny arrow keys. I find it pretty easy to move my pinky over and tap one of those keys. With full size keys, I find that doesn't really work.
- jeberle 1y agoLikewise, I would kill for gaps between Esc/F1, F4/F5, and F8/F9. ThinkPads do this although it is very subtle. The gaps let you use the the function keys by feel rather than looking at them. They tend to be mapped in debuggers so hitting the wrong key is a big deal. I actually don't mind the smaller arrow keys as again, they make it easier to drive by feel rather than by looking.
- Frotag 1y ago> And where's the PgUp PgDn Home End Insert Delete cluster? I'm typing this comment on a first gen framework 16 keyboard. It's the same layout as the second gen in OP, where PgUp/PgDown are bound to fn+KeyUp fn+KeyDown and Home/End are bound to fn+KeyLeft fn+KeyRight. I actually prefer the bindings over dedicated buttons since if I need to use home/end, I'm probably also going to need to go to the previous/next line with the up/down keys.
- mrcwinn 1y agoI can't unsee nano-texture on MacBook Pro (for the better), and so any other display drives me crazy now -- including Apple's own MacBook Air. Wish more companies would offer this!
- Tade0 1y agoFrom the announcement email: > We were the first laptop maker to ship a USB-C 180W adapter with the original Framework Laptop 16, and somehow nearly two years later, we may be the first to ship with 240W too! That is truly wild. When I first discovered that heavy gaming drains the battery in the FW16 I went out to search for a more powerful USB-C power supply. No results. Best I could find was a paltry 140W one. Definitely upgrading this part.
- cromka 1y agoI personally just cannot accept that there’s no WWAN option available. Tethering with your phone is just nowhere close to what one would expect out of it in 2025.
- paxys 1y ago> Tethering with your phone is just nowhere close to what one would expect out of it in 2025. How so? I can't think of a single thing that shoving a cellular antenna inside the laptop will add.
- jijijijij 1y agoA WWAN modem surely would fit into the IO module form factor, no? The framework 16 got 6 slots. Seems like the way to go.
- cromka 1y agoSome tried, it won't. Plus, you need antenna.
- yellowapple 1y agoI'm surprised this hasn't happened yet. Especially for a convertible like the Framework 12, a WWAN option seems like an obvious win - and I know there are existing USB WWAN adapters out there.
- AceJohnny2 1y ago> External adapters are a thing of the past. This is both hilarious and so perfect, because they're still external adaptors, they're frickin' USB-C dongles! They just fit them within the bounding box of the laptop. Such a simple, effective solution (if you're willing to sacrifice some volume)
- account42 1y agoIt looks like the Ethernet one actually sticks out of the case so that's even more external - I think I would actually prefer a standard USB-C adapter in this case.
- IshKebab 1y ago> they're still external ... They just fit them within the bounding box of the laptop Erm, yeah, external means outside of something. This is a perfectly valid thing to say. Are PCIe cards "external" because you can plug them in? Obviously not.
- locusm 1y agoAny plan to bring 10Gb ethernet modules to market?
- porridgeraisin 1y agoWill framework be able to do what ThinkPad $model did with the additional battery slot? Just curious, if anyone in the know is hanging around here. Is the 100wh FAA restriction across batteries?
- 999900000999 1y agoI like Framework as an idea, but we're talking about a 1500$ premium over this competing 16 inch laptop. 1200$ https://www.bestbuy.com/product/gigabyte-aero-x16-copilot-pc-16-25601600-wqxga-amd-ryzen-al-7-350-1tb-ssd-32gb-ddr5-ram-geforce-rtx-5070-space-gray/J3GWPQCCFK https://www.bestbuy.com/product/gigabyte-aero-x16-copilot-pc... I literally can buy 2 of the Gigabyte laptops for the same price. Even if I can swap out some parts, odds are it's still easier( and cheaper) to just buy a new competing laptop ever 3 years. If your motivation is "the environment" you can always just donate your old laptop , give it to a friend, etc. "Gaming" laptop might as well be for code for cheaper , but it has RGB and your co-workers might look at you weird.
- pjmlp 1y agoI tried to configure it as my Thinkpad P15 from 2021, and it takes about 1000 euros more, no way I am paying over 3 000 euros for a laptop.
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- 999900000999 1y agoMy big issue with any expensive portable device is I might just drop it. I'm typing on this laptop right now. I brought it for 450 USD on sale. https://www.bestbuy.com/product/asus-vivobook-s-14-14-oled-laptop-copilot-pc-intel-core-ultra-5-16gb-memory-512gb-ssd-neutral-black/JJGGLQHQ4P https://www.bestbuy.com/product/asus-vivobook-s-14-14-oled-l... Aside from Linux driver issues, shame on our community for downplaying this, it's an amazing computer. I swapped in a 2TB SDD, and I'll be using it for years. If I drop it or do something stupid, I'm out 450$. Even a decent Macbook is only going to be about 1500$. At 3000 Euro, 3500 USD I'd be afraid to take it out of the house, at which point a desktop is going to be significantly cheaper, better, easier to fix and less accident prone.
- majewsky 1y agoFor what it's worth, I accidentally flung my Framework 13 across several stairs of a lecture hall. All in all, a 3 meter drop on an arched trajectory with the lid closed. The device has not been damaged except for scratches. I wouldn't repeat this on purpose obviously, but I came away with the impression that Framework builds are not particularly brittle.
- ceving 1y agoStill no keyboard with a TrackPoint?
- Rotareti 1y agoHaha, no. I'm waiting desperately for one that ships with a pointer. Seems like I'm stuck with Lenovo/ThinkPad forever...
- foxwolf 1y agoI've really wanted a Framework laptop ever since they became available, however as a power user with poor eyesight, anything less than 17" is an automatic deal-breaker for me. I need the text to be legible if a full page is displayed in a PDF reader that's snapped to fill half the screen.
- frameworkeGPU 1y agoI hope they roll their own oculink adapter for the M2 slot. I know you can diy it with a 3D printer but it would be huge to easily BYO this.
- rafaelmn 1y agoIMO Framework is a gimmick company that capitalizes on techie hipsters who buy into their story. The repairability case is very weak - in 10+ years of owning laptops I never had one fail, they are reliable enough that outside the warranty period if they die I am fine with taking the L and buying a new one (and mine spent a bunch of time in a backpack on my motorcycle in pouring rain, getting smushed on bus rides, used in cafes). The only thing that dies eventually is battery capacity and it starts showing signs of use/wear. Modding and upgrade story is more compiling and worth paying a premium in special cases, but their upgrade story is weak. They lag behind HW releases and they don't even support the strongest CPU chip available on the market right now (Ryzen 395), they just sell it as that silly desktop brick. Meanwhile Asus has it in a 14 inch tablet form factor at a better price.
- supermatt 1y agoWhy no ryzen ai max+ 395? It feels like this mobile chip has been hijacked for a bunch of mini desktops, a single ASUS tablet that you can’t use with a keyboard without a desk to stand it on, and a single HP laptop that (while actually the only real mobile computer) is priced insanely for even the low RAM variants. What a waste.