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But what is the "best outcome" when you have your house paid off and ample savings? He got ripped off by Jobs early on, but Jobs also let him do the work he wan
by firefax 1y ago
But what is the "best outcome" when you have your house paid off and ample savings? He got ripped off by Jobs early on, but Jobs also let him do the work he wanted -- it's rare to have someone as good as Woz was also understand marketing. Jobs is deified too much, but he did bring something to the table in their business relationship.
Anyways, he seems to have protected himself well later on, was able to do good (stories of him giving stock to ppl left out early on, that kind of thing) -- people hyperfocus on one very specific thing (Jobs ripping him off in the atari days) when it's a small point in a much larger life.
- Aeolun 1y agoHe got (maybe) ripped off by Jobs, but at the end of the day, what did that get Jobs? Jobs is dead, and Woz is still here, apparently perfectly happy.
- RyanOD 1y agoThe death of anyone from a disease like cancer is tragic.
- arunabha 1y agoAgreed. I think the point was that Woz was definitely less rich than Jobs(not poor though) and seems to have had a far happier life than Jobs. In some sense, Woz had what Jobs never had. Woz was blessed with having enough.
- wkat4242 1y agoYes that's what I don't understand about most of the ultra-rich. They keep wanting more despite having enough to spend millions every day for the rest of their lives. Tesla can't stop throwing tens of billions in bonuses at Musk. But what can he do with that money that he couldn't already?
- WalterBright 1y ago> But what can he do with that money that he couldn't already? Go to Mars.
- vkou 1y agoIt would be great if he stopped talking about it and would go ahead and do it.
- phatskat 1y agoYeah you may not want that - Musk’s plan to get to mars involves, not necessarily _intentionally_ but with no attempt to avoid, ruining the earth for everyone else. He and his billionaire friends that want to colonize space have said they intend to do it by any means necessary, including by walking on the backs of us poors, if it means their progeny can outlast the rest of earth.
- Projectiboga 1y agoMars' gravity is 0.39 of Earth's. I don't understand how anyone thinks that can support a permanant colony of humans.
- didgetmaster 1y agoThe gravity difference is probably the least problematic issue with living on Mars.
- wkat4242 1y agoAnd killer dust almost as bad as on the moon. And lots of radiation.
- hermitcrab 1y agoGolgafrinchan Ark Fleet Ship B.
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- derekp7 1y agoEspecially when it was caught early on, and was one of the few variations of a horrible cancer type that could have been successfully treated at that stage, but that treatment plan was refused.
- anonymars 1y agoAnd to reinforce/expand on that earlier observation: were it not for Jobs' personality, he likely would not have died of that cancer. So which personality worked out better in the end? (Rhetorical question, not a disagreement with anyone)
- philosophty 1y agoIt's morally repugnant to blame someone for their own death from cancer like this. People do it all the time with Steve Jobs as if it's okay because he could be a jerk at times. It's absolutely not a fact that his cancer could have been cured. That is wildly incorrect. It's more than likely he would have died in any case. Yes, of course his odds would have been improved had he treated it as early as possible but each cancer is extremely specific and no one in the world knows if he could have survived it. Dealing with a diagnoses like pancreatic cancer, and taking a few months to gather the courage for surgery is a very human reaction and not atypical.
- eastbound 1y agoJobs said it himself. He said he had a curable cancer and he should have taken the treatment.
- homarp 1y agohttps://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2011/10/biographer-steve-jobs-regretted-not-having-cancer-surgery-earlier/ https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2011/10/biographer-steve-job... "He wanted to talk about it, how he regretted it....I think he felt he should have been operated on sooner."
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- soperj 1y agoEspecially when it's curable and you decide you know more than your doctor.
- philosophty 1y agoSteve Jobs is the reason Wozniak could give away tens of millions and still have $10M and multiple houses. Otherwise he would have been a good engineer and lived a nice quiet life, but nothing like the world-touring adventure he got. Steve Jobs needed Wozniak at the time and it was fortunate for him, but his personality and ambition were so strong it's very likely he would have been a big deal in any scenario.
- georgeecollins 1y agoI disagree. Woz was a rare talent that would have found great success in Silicon Valley in the 1980s. Would he have been as famous as he is now? Maybe not. But here he is at the end telling us that happiness was the point, not fame or billions.
- sokoloff 1y agoHe’d have found great success by his own measures if HP just let do more of the things he found interesting. Those measures wouldn’t have shown up in his bank account, but I think he’d have been happy.
- fuzzfactor 1y agoWell, he had a good-paying job as a youngster at HP and if he stuck with that, retired, and by now would be worth about the same.
- vasco 1y agoYou are so mistaken. Google universal remotes.
- philosophty 1y agoOn the contrary, I know all about that. Wozniak's company was self-funded with his Apple money (thanks Steve Jobs). It was innovative but not terribly so and was a complete failure as a business.
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- vkou 1y ago> But what is the "best outcome" when you have your house paid off and ample savings? I don't know, you'd probably have to ask a billionaire that's ruining the lives of other people to earn their second (or tenth) billion. Not all of them actively do that, but a large number very actively pursue that sort of thing.
- bboygravity 1y agoI highly doubt any self-made billionaire who keeps pushing for more is actually pushing for more money specifically. It seems to me that more money is a side-effect of whatever they're addicted to doing.
- woooooo 1y agoThey've got home offices full of MBA/finance people. It runs itself.
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- portaouflop 1y agoHumans like number go up
- jstanley 1y agoI'm not sure I buy it. You don't get to be a billionaire by being net harmful, you do it by selling goods and services that people want, at scale, and capturing a portion of the wealth you created.
- NegativeK 1y agoThere are quite a few businesses that made a lot of money selling net harmful goods. Tobacco and Oxycontin come to mind. But even selling things that help people doesn’t absolve or prevent someone from doing evil things before or after they hit some specific valuation.
- soperj 1y agoWoz would have been able to do the work he wanted regardless. We would likely live in a much more open source world hardware wise if Woz had just done what he was already doing.
- throwanem 1y agoAnd people say he's naïve...