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How to rig elections [video]
https://arxiv.org/abs/2412.04535 https://arxiv.org/abs/2412.04535
- softwaredoug 1y ago[flagged]
- giantg2 1y agoWhat makes you think they don't?
- burnte 1y agoThe complete and total lack of any plan (or even the appearance of the desire) to combat the damage is a good indicator they haven't done anything. Half our leaders are tearing down the government and the other half are wringing their hands about it.
- steve_adams_86 1y ago"Strongly worded letter" will be imprinted in my mind for a long time. Schumer couldn't have tried to be much more disappointing in that moment. It was a clear sign of the inaction and impotency to come.
- dylan604 1y agoI laughed so hard at that when it happened, and I just did it again reading this.
- nonethewiser 1y agoElections have consequences
- shostack 1y agoThis. The fact that democracy is up against an extremely organized, centralized, and well resourced effort decades in the making with seemingly nothing comparable to combat it has those opposing this on completely reactive footing. It is hard to see how a reactive group can come out on top in such a case.
- AnthonyMouse 1y agoThe problem is we got rid of "democracy" a long time ago. The original premise was you have a lot of elected officials and then they act as checks and balances on one another. So, for example, to pass a law against something it has to be voted on by the House (elected officials), and the Senate (originally elected by state legislatures, giving the states, an independent elected body, a voice in the federal government; not anymore) and then signed by the President (another elected official), and then as a final check it had to be upheld by the courts (elected by the President and Senate for lifetime terms). Then we effectively replaced most of that with administrative bureaucrats that act only within the executive branch. They're not only not directly elected, they're not even indirectly elected by the Senate; the President appoints them -- or they're hired by other unelected bureaucrats -- and then they tend to stick around between administrations because there are so many of them that you can't plausibly replace millions of people every time the constituents want to change who is in office. Meanwhile they make the rules and enforce them and bypass the courts through coercive plea bargaining. But we call an attack on this system an attack on democracy?
- _0ffh 1y agoAn attack on the result might be interpreted as an attack on the cause. Maybe a system's purpose is what is does, after all.
- mrguyorama 1y agoWhat was the party that continually lost all the important elections supposed to do? The law is very clear that they are not in power in any way. There's no such thing as a power that the losing team has. The people with authority in the US come from the majority party. You want the DNC to do stuff, to solve problems, to execute plans that grow this country, you have to put them into power first Republican voters understand just fine that if republicans don't win the election, their will does not become law. Why is that so hard for Democrat supporters and voters to understand?
- RangerScience 1y agoBecause notionally, the “game” isn’t supposed to be winners-take-all. And democrats believe in the game even when they’re not winning.
- ryandrake 1y ago> What was the party that continually lost all the important elections supposed to do? They're supposed to write a coherent plan with specifics on what they are going to do once they are in power. The (R) side did this with Project 2025. It was detailed and specific and they are executing on it like a checklist. Where is the (D) checklist? > You want the DNC to do stuff, to solve problems, to execute plans that grow this country, you have to put them into power first I'm not going to help vote them into power unless I see what their plan is. Even a one-liner that says "We have a list of what Trump did and we're going to revert each commit!" is better than nothing. Their party platform from 2024 is vague and talks more about principles and what they're not going to do rather than specific things they are going to do.
- HDThoreaun 1y agoDems under biden had a plan. Manchin nixed it, they didnt have the votes in the senate without him
- burnte 1y agoAnd the fact Biden didn't use the bully pulpit is a real indictment on the administration. LBJ knew how to whip up support from recalcitrant congresspeople.
- patmorgan23 1y agoSend me the link to the Democrats equivalent to Project 2025. Here the link to Project 2025 for reference https://static.heritage.org/project2025/2025_MandateForLeadership_FULL.pdf https://static.heritage.org/project2025/2025_MandateForLeade...
- nozzlegear 1y agoThe Heritage Foundation is a think tank, not the RNC. Project 2025 no doubt has plenty of supporters in the RNC thanks to how influential the think tank is, but it's not an official party position. Any left of center think tank could cook up a Project 2028 document and claim it's the DNC's equivalent – it'd have just as much (official) standing as Project 2025.
- trealira 1y ago[flagged]
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- nozzlegear 1y agoTo be clear, I'm not defending Project 2025, Trump or the RNC. I don't need any convincing that Trump and republicans are following the plan, it's plain to anyway who's passingly familiar with it. What I'm trying to point out is that there's a strange trend for people to place all of the blame for our current state of affairs squarely on democrats and the DNC, ostensibly because of their failure to precisely match the steps of the RNC – steps the RNC didn't even take, in this case.
- trealira 1y ago> steps the RNC didn't even take, in this case. What steps are you referencing? I don't get your comment. Also, the DNC and RNC just choose people and fundraise. It's strange to me how people refer to the parties like this.
- softwaredoug 1y agoRunning Biden in 2024 was a pretty clear sign they didn’t take the threat seriously.
- bobmcnamara 1y agoSeems like the plan is to keep throwing unpopular candidates into the bike wheel of elections until there's only good candidates left. It's all part of the show folks.
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- ohdeargodno 1y agoAnd do what? Say they need to investigate voting machines in <battleground state>, only to have republicans answer "no" and send out the brown shirts while the entirely corrupt federal legislature certified the results anyways? Voting in the US was already a fragile thing with very little to trust about, purely due to the use of voting machines. Now it's a fully broken system, where no rules are holding up anymore. The 2026 midterms _will_ be stolen.
- monkeyelite 1y agoWhat do you think about the 2020 election?
- Damogran6 1y agoI think every accusation is a confession.
- AnthonyMouse 1y agoDoes this also apply when your side makes an accusation?
- Damogran6 1y agoYou can show me the relative statistics and we can debate it, but I'll not waste time on someone who isn't really interested in honest discourse.
- AnthonyMouse 1y agoEither "every accusation is a confession" or there are some that aren't based on statistics or other evidence, so which is it?
- monkeyelite 1y agoI think the honest thing would be to accept that 2020 and 2024 are equally rigged, or neither of them are.
- righthand 1y agoThanks because probably about half of all Democrats are moderate and DINOs. You can’t coordinate on a plan when half your base is defecting to the other side when the progressives don’t line up and kiss the DNC ring.
- echelon_musk 1y agoCourageous.
- kwanbix 1y agoVery.
- nonethewiser 1y agoWell this starts off with a bang: >In germany we just saw very public rigging of an election for the federal high court of justice. Not familiar with that but I imagine that is going to be a controversial statement. Using Russia as a subject is interesting. A western audience is probably a lot less defensive against the idea that Russia rigs their elections. The video looks interesting.
- V__ 1y agoIt isn't. A right wind millionaire and his media outlet started a fake campaign against the potential judge. Other media and social media jumped on it as well and the "normal" conservative party was "concerned". A lot of heel-dragging later, the judge had enough and withdrew herself from consideration.
- immibis 1y agoIn Germany it's often illegal to make strong statements like this unless they can be proven beyond a reasonable doubt. Is that the case? (That's partly why Germany is getting infested with Nazis again. You can go to jail for calling them out.)
- V__ 1y agoIt's a civil matter, but yes. Sadly, courts are slow and the whole story was "there might have been plagiarism in her thesis". Even as traditional media started to explain the story as baseless, social media is a different beast.
- ranger_danger 1y agoCan you provide some sources to back up your claims?
- immibis 1y agoGerman criminal code aka Strafgesetzbuch. A semi-official English translation is available.
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- churchill 1y agoWatching this brings back memories of Nigeria's 2023 elections. It was (one of a series of) turning point(s) for me when it slowly sank in that the country wasn't worth building a life in. Working remotely & spending in a local currency meant that for the past couple of years, I was insulated and could accumulate savings with little effort. But, the blatant corruption pushed me off the edge. Quick scan of my social network just confirms the same: anyone extremely agentic, intelligent, or educated I know has either left, is in the process of leaving, or is considering leaving. Last person out of Nigeria can turn the lights off.
- adiabatichottub 1y agoThat's very sad to hear. I've been to Lagos and I always have wished I could have visited longer. As an American I found it an absolutely fascinating place.
- churchill 1y agoI'm happy (?) you found it fascinating, but only because you were visiting. If you had to live in Lagos for, say, 1 year, your opinion would change drastically and you'd be eager to leave.
- adiabatichottub 1y agoIn many ways it seemed to be a very chaotic place, where money makes the rules, and most people get by however they can, some in the direst of circumstances. I can understand not wanting to live there long-term. But it's also a city of over 10 million people, so I can only image there's so much more to it. I'm just genuinely glad I had the opportunity to visit, because it made real to me the place and the people that I would otherwise only hear about on the news.
- pastage 1y agoConsidering the population growth of Nigeria I find it hard to believe that one of the most populated countries in the world will ever run out of talented people.
- clownworld1 1y ago[flagged]
- dylan604 1y agoNow do when your country is a democracy. Step 1 would just need a few tweaks like defund public media, start your own social platforms, have existing social platforms bend the knee, appointing judges, appointing executive board members.
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- xmprt 1y agoI agree to some extent but there were a lot of advantages that Trump had that aren't particularly democratic. Electoral college gives more weight to rural voters. First past the post sucks. It's easy to mislead people because most metrics are lagging indicators (which is why neither party will ever fix the deficit). It also helps that his electorate tends to be less educated. > they are incompatible with a fair debate Considering his polling tanked after debating Harris and then he refused to debate again, I'm not sure if you can make this argument.
- MisterMower 1y agoDidn’t a lot of that polling turn out to be massively wrong? The fact that it was off by so much seems to imply you’re right, it wasn’t a fair debate. Harris received significantly more sympathy from the press and polls, even to the point of peddling outright lies.
- AnthonyMouse 1y agoThe dominant effect of the electoral college isn't giving more weight to rural voters, it's giving more weight to swing states. Votes in California and Texas don't count. Votes in Alabama don't count either. And first past the post doesn't give an intrinsic advantage to either party. What it does is cause there to be two parties instead of more than two, which doesn't benefit anybody except for the party leaders in both major parties who don't want competition. > Considering his polling tanked after debating Harris and then he refused to debate again, I'm not sure if you can make this argument. The general consensus was that Harris would be defeated in a debate if there were neutral moderators, so she would only agree to a debate if the moderators were in her camp. Trump took a chance on that once and it went about as you would expect, after which Trump wouldn't agree to left-wing moderators and Harris wouldn't agree to right-wing or neutral moderators which meant there were no more debates. The Harris campaign tried to paint this as "Trump won't do any more debates" but it's hard to make that seem credible when Harris was the one dodging media interviews. The Democrats had better candidates than Harris. Their problem was they didn't nominate one.
- MisterMower 1y agoWild that he even had the opportunity to ask these questions and do his own investigating. The exact same issues happened in a recent US election, but in ours no one was allowed to examine any of the things he was able to. Sounds like elections in both Russia and the US are rotten these days. Curious to note which party has no desire to rectify these issues.
- TacticalCoder 1y ago[dead]
- rcpt 1y agoWhat issues in the US? I know in the last election the counts had anomalies but I don't think I've seen much beyond that. It doesn't really help that this line of thought is completely banned by one party though.
- stefantalpalaru 1y ago[dead]
- XorNot 1y agoWhich party?
- rcpt 1y agoThe party that isn't constantly accusing their opponents of election fraud.
- nonethewiser 1y agoWhich party?
- rcpt 1y agoyawn
- lacoolj 1y agoI want to see his talk on quantum cryptography (referenced early in the video). Anyone have the link?
- derbOac 1y agoAre there center or organizations that focus on studying election fraud and manipulation and how to identify it? In a rigorous nonpartisan (to the extent that's possible) way? Organizations that would regularly support and disseminate the sorts of papers being discussed?
- reactordev 1y ago[flagged]
- krapp 1y agoThe funny thing is after Trump cried wolf so hard about the 2020 election even if that were true no one would take any Democratic attempt at an investigation seriously. And Trump has even made statements which can easily be interpreted as admission[0]. But it doesn't matter. [0]https://www.c-span.org/clip/white-house-event/user-clip-trump-admits-election-was-rigged-for-him-to-win/5156426 https://www.c-span.org/clip/white-house-event/user-clip-trum...
- reactordev 1y agoThat’s right. Cry wolf, no foul, cry wolf again but this time, commit foul. Cry wolf one more time for good measure and unleash the military on the citizens.
- slg 1y agoI'm incredibly skeptical of the idea that Trump stole the election, especially when stuff like that video is used as evidence. Trump is clearly referring to the 2020 election. He is saying that if that election wasn't "rigged", his second term would be over by now, but since it was (in his opinion) "rigged", he will still be president during the World Cup. All that said, one thing I can't get out of my mind is perhaps the most consistent trait of Trump's political career is him projecting his weaknesses and crimes on others as a preemptive defense for when those same criticisms are made about him. So any time he accuses his opponents of something, it should probably raise red flags for his own behavior.
- reactordev 1y agoRight. And Epstein… don’t even get me started. DJT ran miss universe during this time. Coincidence? Nope. From 2016 Rolling Stone: https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/a-timeline-of-donald-trumps-creepiness-while-he-owned-miss-universe-191860/ https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/a-ti...
- esafak 1y agoIf you'd rather read about it: https://arxiv.org/abs/2412.04535 https://arxiv.org/abs/2412.04535
- dang 1y agoWe'll put that link at the top as well. Thanks!
- arctics 1y agoSo to summarize, people did vote for Putin, major opposition was blocked, local elections are rigged.
- nikolay 1y agoIn Bulgaria, the EU officials know that elections are rigged, too, but because they are rigged by their buddies, it's fine.
- nesarkvechnep 1y agoThe Pumpkin has been bribing EU officials for 15 years. Angela Merkel raised him this way.
- kindkang2024 1y agoHow to rig elections? Simple: you just need the wille to rig and the power to manifest your will freely. No fancy technology, counting systems, or statistical anomalies can stop you. Quantum cryptography is useless in such a case. Sad but true—if there isn’t enough power to balance that wille.
- Rakshith 1y agoSo this is the russian interference Hillary was talking about?