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In the US, we have government programs like PRISM and unchecked oligopolies that surveil us and use that information to identify dissent, sell us ads, and alter
by Centigonal 1y ago
In the US, we have government programs like PRISM and unchecked oligopolies that surveil us and use that information to identify dissent, sell us ads, and alter our behavior. In the EU, there are these initiatives to surveil us in the name of safety.
Is there any regime out there who's not trying to mass-surveil their citizens for one reason or another?
- nosioptar 1y agoI'm unaware of Sealand[0] engaging in surveillance against its citizen. [0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principality_of_Sealand https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principality_of_Sealand
- thaumasiotes 1y agoWith only one citizen, it would seem that the government of Sealand must necessarily be watching everything he does at all waking hours.
- ragmodel226 1y agoThis is a defeatist and damaging attitude. It detracts from the core issue at hand, which is EU government forcing code being run in private messaging apps over data before it is encrypted. It defeats the security model of end to end encrypted messaging, and leads to a society that cannot trust its communications against government interference ever again. One can criticize analysis of mass surveillance of metadata and encrypted channels, but this is something else.
- protocolture 1y agoAustralia already has this capability and is likely using it for 5 Eyes nations. Questioning the desire to surveil seems on topic when this is pretty much everywhere already.
- ragmodel226 1y agoAustralia can’t get technical capability notices for anything that matters, maybe some local trash only. (Don’t use Australian software or products folks). American tech will tell them to pound sand, and you got another international incident in the media.
- dachris 1y agoPower wants to stay in power. In a healthy society, citizens should always be wary of those in power and keep them on their toes, because power corrupts (and attracts already problematic characters). Not driveling when they get thrown some crumbs or empty phrases ("child safety", "terrorism").
- r33b33 1y agoyeah, Japan
- fc417fc802 1y agoWe must be thinking of different Japans then. Related, have you seen the Tokyo police mascot?
- Aeolun 1y agoThey don’t really need to surveil their citizens. The indoctrination starts from kindergarden :)
- latentsea 1y agoEither that or they can't. They did after all have a minister for cybersecurity that had never used a computer. https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-46222026 https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-46222026
- ncr100 1y agoThe Catholic Church is not for surveillance, afaik. Join Vatican City!
- isaacremuant 1y ago> Is there any regime out there who's not trying to mass-surveil their citizens for one reason or another? Covid authoritarian policies were hugely successful and supported by mainstream people by and large. Not enough protests. Not enough dissent. Now politicians know they can turn the power knob as high as they want and nothing will happen. Less and less dissent will be allowed, just like during covid. If you fail to learn that and denounce those and reclaim the freedoms for all, you're going to just whine into a smaller and smaller room.
- JumpCrisscross 1y ago> Covid authoritarian policies were hugely successful and supported by mainstream people by and large. Not enough protests. Not enough dissent America has been trashed not by Covid but by the precedence being set that partisan violence can and will be pardoned.
- isaacremuant 1y agoI don't quite understand your point. I also meant covid policies. Not covid itself.
- Krssst 1y agoThey probably meant January 6th rebels being pardoned giving the example that extremists that aim at preventing democratic election results from going into effect can do as they want. Which is a much bigger problem than "stay home a bit to avoid unintentionally killing people".
- s1artibartfast 1y agoMany people feel the point of the former was to prevent the latter
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- JumpCrisscross 1y ago> Is there any regime out there who's not trying to mass-surveil their citizens for one reason or another? The one where citizens don’t regress into comfortably lazy nihilism as a first response.
- SilverElfin 1y agoIn the US, violations of civil rights that are performed by officials (like legislators) can be prosecuted under something called color of law. I think it is rarely done, if ever, but the justice department could do it. Maybe Americans need to start pushing their own representatives to call for such a case in situations where individual rights are violated. Is there something like this in the EU, so that officials feel personal risk and liability for their actions in pushing this anti democratic policy?
- thallium205 1y agoThe punishment can include the death penalty too.
- chr15m 1y agoThe price is liberty is eternal vigilance. Just as you must work each day if you want money, you must oppose tyranny each day if you want liberty. They will always want more power over you and you will always have to fight them because of that.
- komali2 1y agoNot really, which is a good argument against regimes in general.
- fc417fc802 1y ago> In the US, we have government programs like PRISM and unchecked oligopolies In the US we also enjoy probably the most expansive protection of speech in the world at present. Our own government created Tor. Yet simultaneously the majority of the population willingly hands over the minute details of their daily lives to half a dozen or more megacorps for the sake of some minor conveniences. It's beyond perplexing. I suspect we may be the most internally inconsistent civilization to have ever existed.
- immibis 1y agoIt's consistent when viewed from a perspective of accountability evasion. They don't need to make actual anti free speech laws, because you already don't have free speech without the laws. And by not making the laws, they get to claim they give you free speech.