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M5 MacBook Pro No Longer Coming in 2025
- evtothedev 1y agoMy completely uninformed bet is that with the release of open source GPT, they're planning to embed this on all laptops. That will require a huge bump in the baseline specs, and therefore you have cascading delays.
- reaperducer 1y agoMy completely uninformed bet If you're completely uninformed, why post at all? What value do you add to the conversation?
- eddythompson80 1y agoWe’re all shit-posting here
- Lammy 1y agoThere's nothing wrong with speculation that's clearly labeled as speculation.
- nickthegreek 1y agoThere certainly can be. Reputation risk/being canceled, misinformation spreading, ethicial/legal issues depending on the topic, public opinion influence, authority problems, not understanding the community you are participating in, etc.
- esseph 1y agoEverybody speculates on here and the rest of the internet all the time. Has the community decided _how_ we can talk about things now?
- brailsafe 1y agoSeems like their comment engages a curious person to wonder how likely it might be. That's as much value as I generally expect to get from any comment.
- crinkly 1y agoGood. Hopefully we're going back to more sensible and sustainable 2-3 year cycles.
- thewebguyd 1y agoWould be nice to do that for OS releases too. I feel like the yearly macOS releases are too ambitious at this point, and Apple's software quality is suffering. 2-3 year cycles would be much more sustainable. Hardware is good enough now to not need a new release ever year.
- bombcar 1y agoAll I want is software tic-toc. Leopard followed by Snow Leopard. Every other year is just a major bugfix/rewrite release.
- cnst 1y agoHow's a "2-3 year cycle" sensible or sustainable? Who's forcing you to get every upgrade every year? The yearly releases make a lot of sense for everybody, because then you can upgrade on your own schedule, instead of delaying the upgrade because the product was released a full 2 years ago, at a time your older one is on its last breath. In fact, yearly releases are then also more sustainable, too, since the purchasing would be spread out to each year (on an as-needed basis), instead of having a month-long cycle every 3 years, necessitating the extra infrastructure all along the way (from the stores to manufacturing to shipping).
- rbanffy 1y ago> your older one is on its last breath. For Apple computers, the last breath comes almost a decade after they were built. If you wait until it dies, then you will want to get what's available at that time, but, if you plan from the start, you'll have a lot of flexibility with these machines. My MBP is the same age as my Thinkpad, and looks much nicer.
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- davidf18 1y agoIt is from July 10.
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- behnamoh 1y agoApple seems to overlook how much timing matters for Mac sales in academia. Macs—especially MacBooks—absolutely dominate among professors (I’d guess ~90% in my department). The academic fiscal year often ends in Aug/Sep, and new faculty usually get a “technology fund” for buying their first computer. A lot of us use that to get the latest Mac. Historically, Apple’s October refresh was just late enough to miss that budget window, but people would still wait a month or two for the new models. If they push announcements even further (as the article suggests—early 2026), it’s a different story. New hires can’t wait half a year with no laptop, so they’ll just buy whatever’s top-of-the-line right now. For research folks who need GPU power, that could easily mean a 5090-based laptop instead of a Mac.
- moralestapia 1y agoThey would just buy the M4? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ The average user, even the "power user", does not care/know the difference between an M4 and whatever the M5 will be.
- behnamoh 1y agoLike I said, most people want something that's the "latest"; M4 is already one year old. wrt the second part of your comment: Academics care about speed, RAM, battery life, the ability to run the latest AI models at a decent speed (M4 is still relatively slow).
- nickthegreek 1y agom4 laptop checks the boxes on ram options (albiet a high price) and battery life. The m4 macbook is running AI slow compared too..... what competitive alternative? I'm impressed at how fast gpt-oss-20b ran on my m2 24gb system.
- AceJohnny2 1y ago> (M4 is still relatively slow). How does it compare to Windows laptops?
- maratc 1y ago"There's a rumor about certain Apple product and it says that the previous rumor about same product was wrong."
- dialup_sounds 1y agoMark Gurman is the ouroboros of Apple news.
- tracker1 1y agoIf I were to guess, it's likely that sales projections are down right now, and they're hoping by keeping the existing line a bit longer, new buyer numbers will be larger in the spring. Most people don't upgrade every generation and a lot of people are still running M1/M2 devices. I would also speculate that there may be some growing pains for the n2 production from TSMC, and/or a desire to get there in the AZ fab production before launch to avoid tariffs hitting their bottom line. They'd rather pay 12-20% more for just the CPU than eat large tariffs on the full cost. I don't think they'd be able to significantly raise prices further based on tariffs, like some other companies with smaller margins are forced to do, on order to be competitive.
- kingkongjaffa 1y agoYeah I’m on an M1 and it’s still outstanding. The only motivation to upgrade is battery degradation or getting more RAM to run larger LLM models locally.
- Analemma_ 1y agoI upgraded from an M1 to an M4 MBP recently and although the performance gains were mostly incremental, the matte screen (fucking finally Apple) is really nice and a good reason to upgrade if you ever plan on using it in a brightly-lit area. It’s a must-have.
- spullara 1y agoI was so bummed when they removed the matte screen option many years and glad to see it back. My next one will definitely be matte.
- ChrisMarshallNY 1y agoI run an M4Pro Mini, connected to an LG 49" ultrawide. I have an M1Max MBP, collecting dust, upstairs. Frankly, the MBP is still an excellent machine, but I don't travel, anymore, and this big honker that is as wide as my desk, has me spoiled.
- SlowTao 1y agoThe more I think about it the more I find it kind of odd yet somewhat endearing that we have so much of our lives determined by the orbit of the planet. Not so much things that are actually affected by it like seasons and its impacts on ecology, but on a yearly scale we had software updates, new hardware and financial reconciliation. Things that all feel so abstract and yet are tied to the cycle of our rock spinning around the sun. The druids approve! So I have no issue when something like a laptop being pushed back, it was all very arbitrary anyway. Can they release is a Mars based yearly cadence?
- lordnacho 1y agoIsn't this one of those "how Roman roads determined our rail gauge" things? Seasons -> harvest -> traditions freeze working/holidaying times -> kids start school a certain time -> gotta sell them computers to be ready at those times. Something like that, in a million different ways.
- bombcar 1y agoand things that don’t fall on a yearly cadence of X times a year are really hard to think about. If the new M* processor was every ten months, nobody would have the foggiest idea when it was coming out
- cnst 1y agoI'm writing this on a 16GB M1 MacBook Air, but I've gotten disillusioned with macOS and Macs. When everything is done in a browser, the biggest differentiator on a laptop would be monitor and peripheral support, and Apple is behind the competition. macOS has no support for daisy-chaining with DP MST, no support for a second monitor (new to M1, the 2020 Intel model does support dual external monitors), no way to turn-off antialiasing, limited ports, RAM and storage options, limited repair and expansion options. Why exactly do we even still use macOS anyways? Even the cheapest Chromebook laptops have better monitor support and better expandability, at 1/10th the cost.
- cosmic_cheese 1y agoNo support for MST daisy chaining is unfortunate, but not really a dealbreaker since most users spending a lot of time at a desk are using either a standalone dock (e.g. CalDigit TS4) or a monitor that has a dock built in (like Dell’s U2724DE) which also achieves one-cable multimonitor (+charging). The limit on number of monitors isn’t an issue on the newer low end models. On the hardware side of things, the big differentiators are build quality and battery life. To get either as good as is found on MacBooks you’re likely to be spending about as much in the x86 world. Those dirt cheap Chromebooks in particular are miserable to use.
- goosedragons 1y agoMST makes getting a dock cheaper. It's very cheap to get a hub or dock that can do two or even three monitors over MST, with power pass through and a few extra USB ports for a mouse and keyboard or printer. Like $30-$50. Maybe you spend another $50 for a decent extra charger to go with it. On Mac you basically HAVE to get an expensive $200+ TB dock to get a one cable multi-mon setup. The new M4 MBAs can still only do two external screens at a time. It's better but the competition can do more.
- cnst 1y agoYeah, my $79 Chromebook, could literally already do 2 external USB-C monitors, at 1/10th the price of an M4 MacBook Air! The best part about DP MST is that most monitors already have a DP-Out, so, you can already daisy-chain even without having to buy a cheap dock. I'm pretty sure DP-Out would be even more popular if not for the macOS users leaving all the negative reviews about the daisy-chaining not working after paying a full half price for a DP MST monitor compared to a Thunderbolt one! Ironically, some manufacturers simply remove the DP-Out port, and release the resulting product as a Mac-friendly version of an identical PC monitor with a DP-Out. My fav USB-C / DP MST monitor deals, have been HP Z24m G3 at $149.99 USD in early 2024, and PHILIPS 4K UHD IPS Black 27E2F7901 at $209.99 in mid/late 2024, both 400nits with DP 1.4, USB-C and DP-Out, at far cheaper prices than any comparable Thunderbolt monitor: https://slickdeals.net/f/17456364-23-8-hp-z24m-g3-2560x1440-90hz-ips-conferencing-monitor-150-free-shipping https://slickdeals.net/f/17456364-23-8-hp-z24m-g3-2560x1440-... https://slickdeals.net/f/17650827-philips-creator-series-27e2f7901-27-4k-uhd-ips-black-display-usb-c-built-in-kvm-height-adjustable-daisy-chain-pd-96w-209-99 https://slickdeals.net/f/17650827-philips-creator-series-27e...
- cosmic_cheese 1y agoReally, they could probably get away with selling M4 devices for another couple cycles. As far as performance is concerned, even going back to the M1, the only group feeling inadequacies large enough to make upgrading a “must” are those whose needs sit within spitting distance of cusp of consumer/prosumer computing. Battery life is still industry leading with only a handful of competitors just recently being able to claim similar real world numbers (thanks mostly to Lunar Lake, which isn’t available for many models and comes at the cost of some performance). I’ve used both M1 Max and M4 Max machines extensively and while the latter is a good deal faster, it’s only really noticeable with longer sustained tasks and particularly large projects. The high-RAM variants of M1 models in particular should continue to be quite servicable for some time to come.
- Traubenfuchs 1y agoWhat about current macbooks is not industry leading? What excuse besides liking windows or wanting an even cheaper machine do you have not to get one?
- kaladin-jasnah 1y agoYou should also consider liking Linux, or wanting to support the right to repair movement. Or disliking Apple for whatever reason, such as their generally very closed nature. My biggest criterion for buying consumer electronics is being able to replace the software easily, followed by being able to replace the hardware easily. Nothing else is particularly important.
- rowanG077 1y agoThe OS is one of the important part of the experience of using a computer. So it makes sense to filter first on what kind of OS matches what you want. I run a M2 MBP and I wouldn't use it if I couldn't run linux. But in terms of hardware it's a truly great machine. The first laptop where I'm satisfied by the power. M4 doesn't have linux support(yet).
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- shortrounddev2 1y agoSame problem as their phones. They don't do anything new or interesting year over year. The CPU gets a bit faster, but that's it. They haven't provided a compelling reason to upgrade in a few years
- sethops1 1y agoI'm on an iPhone 12 and I don't want to upgrade to anything that supports Apple Intelligence. Hoping this thing lasts forever.
- dluan 1y agoneed more gold foil blocks
- Razengan 1y agoI have a 16" M2 Max with 32 GB of RAM and I do pretty much everything on it, and I've yet to have a moment where I thought "ugh I wish this was faster" I used to upgrade computers every 1-1.5 years but I think I could easily roll with this for another 2-3 maybe even 4 or 5 years more. Heck, even if I was given free money I'd be too lazy to switch to an M4 Max just because of the hassle of transferring data that isn't on iCloud/Time Machine. I was waiting for the M5 to have some other substantial changes like in the display or sound etc.
- socalgal2 1y agoI have a M1 Max. Running image/video generation I often which it was faster, much faster.
- zmmmmm 1y agoApple is in such an interesting position right now. Having made the decision for whatever reason to go with a unified memory architecture, they are now almost unique in terms of being able to offer super power efficient laptops with very large GPU memory. If they were to just double the memory bandwidth and do nothing else they could break away as a preferred way to run especially inference but maybe even training for small LLM models. Given the bottlenecks on availability and pricing of nVidia cards we are already toying with the idea of building a small local LLM stack based on Macs for this reason. If Apple made it more compelling we could easily go from toying with it to seriously considering it. It's disappointing to hear they are delaying this year's Macbooks because I was really hoping to see some improvements like this specifically targeted at running local LLMs.
- pyaamb 1y agowhich is why I was surprised to hear some reports that Apple was planning to abandon UMA in future chips. Can't imagine why they would do that
- makeitdouble 1y ago> they are now almost unique AMD and Intel already caught up in the unified memory design. Apple might still have some edge (do they ? idk), but it's not a rarety anymore.
- zmmmmm 1y agoThe edge is, "it actually works". Eg: I just set the device to "mps" in PyTorch, everything is using the GPU.Until nVidia gets monopoly treatment for CUDA and are forced to open their software stack, Metal is the next best thing as far as I can tell. Not to mention, I have no faith that these laptops won't thermally throttle - my fan only spins up when I'm running truly demanding workloads, the rest of the time the laptop might as well be fanless.
- pjmlp 1y agoIntegrated GPUs predate M chips, but naturally it is yet another thing Apple has "invented".
- STELLANOVA 1y agoI got M1 Max with 64GB and 32 core GPU fro $1500 refurbished with zero cycle battery on 100%. As most companies doing refresh/write-off after 3 years 2025 is really a year where you can get a beast of machine for the money. I also have M4 Max for work and differences are only on really heavy tasks but for 3X less money I guess M1 Max is still good deal. This delay also means that M2/M3 ones will be good buy next year as well.
- burnt-resistor 1y agoThat's what I have too. I upgraded about 9 months ago from an M1 Max 32 GiB + 1 TiB SSD to 64 GiB + 4 TiB SSD, and donated the old one to a FOSS developer in Europe who can now support macOS. The "new" one is used, but had about 15 cycles on it and 99% battery health... like it was in someone's closet for 3 years. It's a total waste of money paying zillions for tiny improvements.
- deskamess 1y agoWhere do you source your used M1 from?
- thimabi 1y agoWhat I’d most like in future MacBooks is the continuation of increases in memory size and bandwidth. Apple has carved out a niche for itself in the local LLM space, yet it continues to overcharge for RAM and under-deliver in terms of bandwidth. I have no hopes that Apple will decrease its prices, particularly on top-of-the-line models like those with 128 GB of memory and above. Yet I certainly believe that it can deliver even more RAM and, in particular, memory bandwidth. Apple clearly offers much more VRAM than consumer NVIDIA GPUs, but Macs are still behind in terms of memory bandwidth and, relatedly, overall performance. It would be silly of Apple not to jump at the opportunity to eat even more of NVIDIA’s market share among the general public.
- resters 1y agoWelcome to the world where Tim Cook has to present gold offerings to the US president and spend most of his time navigating massive new taxes on imports the company relies on.
- clickety_clack 1y agoIf they took Jax-metal a little more seriously they’d have at least one more customer…
- klipklop 1y agoAs long as they keep overcharging for RAM and storage they can delay the M5 indefinitely. It’s a joke what it costs to put 64gb or 128gb in those things. Yes it’s fast ram but the markup is extreme.
- pjmlp 1y agoThere goes the hopes of those expecting M5 to finally sort out the fate of Intel Mac Pro. From my point of view they have to accept if they want a desktop like experience, only PCs with Windows/Linux/BSD are left standing as composable workstations.
- zozbot234 1y agoM-series Mac Pros are a thing. They're a lot like Mac Studios, only in a big cheesegrater case and with support for internal PCIe cards.
- pjmlp 1y agoNo they aren't, because you forgot the little detail not every kind of PCIe card is supported, like those that folks using graphical workstations for CAD/CAM rendering, or those in VFX, might think of using. Also not all kinds of high-speed network, or real time audio cards are supported. Stuffing a Studio into a desktop case full of air, and limited set of supported PCIe cards, is a slap into the face of the hardcore users that still hope Apple cares about workstations.
- alifeinbinary 1y agoI love working in MacOS but I refuse to buy another new Macbook that has the storage soldered to the motherboard. Non-volatile memory has a limited amount of write cycles and let's be honest, NAND can fail long before its forecasted lifespan is up, which would render a $5k+ computer inoperable. I understand the benefits that come with SOC architecture but I draw the line at storage. This design choice wasn't about "saving space" it was about exploiting the Mac-tax.